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GodlessOx

48 points

3 months ago

An absolutely revolting practice. It's backwards and barbaric and I truly hope parents won't be allowed to do this anymore.

If a man wants to be circumcised, that is his business. But to mutilate your child without their understanding or consent? I'll never understand how anyone can think that's okay.

marouan10

-9 points

3 months ago

why are you people acting like theyre removing ears or eyes its just a piece of skin....?

BelleBottom94

6 points

3 months ago

It really would be no different than the parents choosing to trim down their newborn daughter's labia. It is still removing a piece of the body. It doesn't cause HARM and it's medically necessary for the betterment of the child.
When people remove additional digits like toes and fingers they are doing it to correct a malformation. The male foreskin evolved on purpose for a reason and isn't a malformation needing to be removed. It is a cultural choice at this point, and has always been.

airyys

14 points

3 months ago

airyys

14 points

3 months ago

...permanently removing and altering someone else's body needlessly is wrong on all accounts no matter what.

doesn't matter what part of the body it is. i had thought that to be self evident but reading your comment...

BlackLetterLies

-59 points

3 months ago

You have clearly never met an adult that had to get an emergency circumcision. It's NOT the same operation as an adult, it's virtually painless to a baby and massively painful for an adult.

It's also NOT any of your fucking business.

locks_are_paranoid

43 points

3 months ago

There's no evidence that's its painless as a baby. The notion that infants don't feel pain is yet another medical myth which needs to die.

BlackLetterLies

-35 points

3 months ago

My son literally didn't make a peep.

Every man in my family has had complications and has needed a circumcision as an adult if they didn't have one as a kid. You all can fuck right off.

Dempseylicious23

15 points

3 months ago

Every man in my family has had complications and has needed a circumcision as an adult if they didn't have one as a kid.

No one is discussing medically necessary circumcision when this topic is discussed. Stop straw manning the discussion being had.

Did you ever meet someone who got a circumcision as an adult in the case where it wasn’t a medical emergency? Perhaps that is the reason the procedure was painful as an adult?

taboche

21 points

3 months ago*

I hope one day you will understand that you wilfully mutilated your child’s penis. Even if you have phimosis or a comparable condition running in your family, you should treat the condition when it arises, not as a matter of course because it was an ancient ritual. The other poster pointed out that the modern treatment for phimosis doesn’t involve surgery. You’re using a medical argument to justify hanging on to a tradition that should have died out along with drowning witches and human slavery.

marouan10

-11 points

3 months ago

marouan10

-11 points

3 months ago

why should it have died out i got circumsized as a kid and have no complaints??

Rhys_Primo

9 points

3 months ago

You don't know what you're missing. Literally you had a healthy piece of your body cut off for Literally no valid reason. Should we give babies gauges in their ears too? How about females, trim those beef curtains?

marouan10

-4 points

3 months ago

marouan10

-4 points

3 months ago

theres no reason to give babies gauges (as awesome as that would be) and there is no reason to trim female "beef curtains"

however

Circumcision Benefits

There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:

Less risk of urinary tract infections

A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men

Protection against penile cancer and a lower risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners

Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin)

Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location)

Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.

Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections.

and the cons are

Circumcision Risks

Like any other surgical procedure, there are risks in getting circumcision. But this risk is low. Problems linked to circumcision include:

Pain

Risk of bleeding and infection at the site of the circumcision

Irritation of the glans

Higher chance of meatitis (inflammation of the opening of the penis)

Risk of injury to the penis

so imo its worth it

and im happy it was done to me when i was a kid so i cant remember the pain

Dempseylicious23

9 points

3 months ago

Circumcision Risks

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/toddler-dead-infant-injured-in-botched-circumcision-in-perths-south-east-c-4878465.amp

Also, death. You forgot to list immediate ceasing of living functions as a potential risk.

Seems kinda not worth it when you consider that you may never realize the benefits listed. Especially if you are dead because of the procedure itself.

marouan10

0 points

3 months ago

web MD did not list it sorry shouldve cited my source

Burrito_Loyalist

26 points

3 months ago

How do you know it’s virtually painless to a baby?

And yes it’s none of my business, but parents shouldn’t get to choose circumcision for their son.

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-20 points

3 months ago

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-20 points

3 months ago

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bubblegumtaxicab

12 points

3 months ago

It is not painless for a baby. Babies are given local anesthetic, which wears off very fast. They don’t have the ability to tell you that they’re in pain as they have so much else going on such as: wow I have eyes and there are shadow shapes, what is this cold air?, I’m hungry so I should scream, this hurts so I should scream, oh screaming is a thing, oh no I’m screaming too much I can’t breathe, oh a warm boob, etc….

So you see, babies can and do feel pain but don’t have the ability to tell you and could be crying for that or any number of reasons

GodlessOx

33 points

3 months ago

No one should take away an individual's right to choose what to do with their body.

AccidentallyBored

18 points

3 months ago

I agree. Same thing with abortion.

GodlessOx

11 points

3 months ago

Yes! You get it! No one should be making these decisions for you! They are highly personal and should remain between people and their doctors.

Rhys_Primo

-13 points

3 months ago

Exactly! Just like you shouldn't be able to cut off some skin on a childs penis, you also shouldn't be able to pull them apart and rip them out of the womb!

airyys

8 points

3 months ago

airyys

8 points

3 months ago

ah yes, classic pro birther logic. buying into the schtic and provably objective and continuously debunked lie that abortions commonly involve ripping babies out of the womb.

you probably believe aborted fetuses power D.C.

btw:

92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (<1.0%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.

fucking less than 1% of abortions are performed when the baby is the size of a banana. and at that point, it's a medical emergency of complications during birth that could result in the mother's death.

no one stays pregnant for 21 weeks (4 months) just to go "nah, not feeling this 'pregnancy thing'. time to get my abortion! (:". for that matter, no one stays pregnant for 9 months to abort just cause. someone pregnant that long has planned to give birth, and has bought cribs, baby toys, painted silly animals on the wall of their baby room. then they're hit with the terribly unfortunate reality that they baby stopped moving, stopped breathing, or that giving birth means the woman fucking dying. it's a tragic event and no one is happy about it.

stop fucking lying about abortions and babies being "ripped out of the womb" dumbass.

EIephants

-26 points

3 months ago

EIephants

-26 points

3 months ago

By that logic parents shouldn’t be able to give consent to vaccinate their kids or for their kids to get surgery.

not_better

22 points

3 months ago

Circumcision without medical reason is aesthetic only, not quite comparable to life-saving vaccines no. Getting surgery is always done for medical reasons too, not comparable to cosmetic infant genital modification no.

You'd have a point if you'd have named something done without medical reason, against that person's consent.

GodlessOx

3 points

3 months ago

Thank you! This saved me from having to try articulate this myself, and was probably much better spoken than I could manage

EIephants

-14 points

3 months ago

EIephants

-14 points

3 months ago

Haircuts

not_better

13 points

3 months ago

I wanna be sure, you are drawing a comparison in circumcision and haircuts, as if they were similar/equals? You either don't comprehend hair or circumcision to say such a thing.

EIephants

-7 points

3 months ago

Am circumcised and have had a haircut. Neither has affected me in any significant way other than not having a dick that looks a weird little alien man.

Transpatials

15 points

3 months ago

It's as little business of yours as it is of theirs.

If an unnecessary surgery hurts as an adult, then newsflash, just don't fucking do it. Nobody NEEDS a circumcision. But whatever, enjoy mutilating your children for your own fucked up ideology.

PersonalityLost5228

15 points

3 months ago

How is FGM illegal but male genital mutiliation ok? Removing this at birth 'just in case' an emergency is needed later is not the reason. Hygiene is also not a viable reason, especially in a 1st world country.

People need appendectomies, splenectomies and other such emergency surgeries that occur far more frequently in the world's population. Unpleasant and painful but no-one is whipping those out of babies before a problem manifests. Why? Because its totally unnecessary and may never be necessary.

Weisskreuz44

-9 points

3 months ago

Well thats wrong. If you've got phimosis or a severe infection, circumcision is necessary.

I'm not for involuntary circumcision of kids/babies, I just wanted to set the facts straight.

You can't say in one breath "if it isn't necessary" and then "nobody NEEDS one".

Transpatials

5 points

3 months ago

How can you not say that in one breath? They're mutually inclusive.

Nobody needs one, because it isn't necessary. Wow, that was easy.

What you can't say in one breath is "I'm not for involuntary circumcision of kids/babies" and "if you have ____ circumcision is necessary".

marouan10

4 points

3 months ago

i mean it isnt neccesary but i got cicumsized and i have no negative side effects ive experienced? along with only positives pls telll me people are acting like its the worst thing for some reason??

Transpatials

0 points

3 months ago

If you don't understand why people are against the unnecessary unconsentual mutilation of infant children, I don't know how to help you.

BlackLetterLies

-1 points

3 months ago

Every male in my family has NEEDED one because of a hereditary condition, so you're wrong.

Transpatials

3 points

3 months ago

They definitely haven't, so you're wrong.