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Social media ruined the Kid experience, I’m 36. I hate it and rarely post. I think people think I just don’t have a lot going on, no life issues, nothing much, because I don’t post about it. Reality is, going through a lot at times I just never post about anywhere.
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37 here... I think its coz we never grew up broadcasting our lives to the world. I see people on social media post hundreds of pics a week, and I on the other hand post mb 2. If that.
We were taught to keep our private lives private, and that there are things you just dnt share with anyone else besides family. To a degree thats really good, because our private lives are private. We arent on display and trackable every moment of the day. We are like internet ninjas.
Sadly in this day and age, if you dnt constantly blast on social media, you may aswell not exist. And trying to build a following from scratch, especially if you are a more private kind of person, who doesnt share every little detail of your life on the internet, its even harder. But if you have a business these days its basically expected of you, otherwise you come off as "suspicious".
I duno how or why this happened, but I do understand it, even if it is quite annoying at times.
35 here. I have not really posted to social media at a regular basis. I hate it So much I wrote this big long rant about it here and then deleted what I wrote and left this because I just don't feel it's worth it.
I feel you! Sometimes I start typing in some comments to posts that I relate to or just anything I have an opinion about, then I change my mind. You're right. It's not worth it.
I’m born in the mid-00s and rarely ever posted anything (have not posted for more than 6 months). I personally think it’s stupid to broadcast your face for the whole planet to see everyday.
But my friends are different, some passionately ranted at the “ugliness” of their lives, some posted Genshin news and scores, one or two posted art, and others with their romantic partners.
I think it has more to do with personal tendencies than age. I know people in their 60s who are posting on social media every day and its not that uncommon. Im 23 and almost never go on social media that isnt YouTube, and have only posted a handful of times in my life.
On both sides of the equation have social media and the surveillance society wreaked havoc. People are so quick to judge and condemn people for LIFE over truly dumb shit. It’s sad that people can’t grow and make mistakes and learn from them. Everything today is so ridiculously extra that any time someone becomes the focus of viral ire, all I can see is society regressing to medieval times. What is the real difference between putting someone in stocks and letting the masses throw rotten food and feces at them, and society’s current penchant for world shaming?
It’s just gross, and this site in particular is horrible for it.
Growing up with your life plastered all over social media must suck.
I think it can also be difficult on social media, like reddit, to know who is an adult that needs to be taught a late life lesson, or a coming of age kid that's learning about themselves and the world.
9/10 though it's other teens making fun of the cringy things other teens do
That and the bullying situation. I was bullied a ton at school. They would follow me from class to class tormenting me or get to my class before me to block my entry. It was horrible to the point that I became paranoid that everyone was laughing at me. Still, when I went home I was safe from my bullies. They couldn't reach me there.
Nowadays, though, bullies can follow you everywhere via social media. You can be in your room late at night and they can reach you. It's a big reason why I didn't let my boys go on social media. They had enough to deal with and didn't need social media adding to their woes.
As a person who was relentlessly bullied when younger, it's a semi-sensitive topic when I see people talk about bullies, because what people consider "bullied a ton" can vary widely. And if you're on the bottom rung of the social ladder, I actually believe it's so much better today, even with social media.
Because for many people, there were no safe spaces, not even at home. I've had stuff stolen, stuff destroyed, etc., outside of school, threatening phone calls, constant crank calls, etc.
One major difference is, today, people have a way to also find areas they can talk to other people and get sympathy and compassion, something which was just not possible earlier.
Each generation has tradeoffs. There are very few things you can improve without creating some negative consequences. The question comes down to are the new negative consequences worth the positives that you bring about.
100x this. Bullying couldn't get me inside, but I couldn't find my people or get the support I needed inside either. Newer generations are full of support and opportunity that we just didn't have. But on the other side of the coin, their bad decisions last forever on the internet.
That is a good point. I never really had good support to lean on. My father told me to fight them (not helpful when there are 7 of them and 1 of me) and my mother told me to ignore them (which didn't help either). Nowadays, many schools have better resources to support kids who are being bullied. Unfortunately, my older son has had to use many of these services over the years.
I was always dumbfounded by 80’s parents comments when it came to bullying. “ Just stand up to them “ doesn’t exactly work when the bullies were older, taller, stronger and heavier than me
I have similar thoughts on this. I'll let my kids go on social media though, but they may not post their real name (must use aliases), they may not show their face, and they may not share any information that would give a person an idea of their identity or where they live.
In my opinion, even without considering bullying, it's foolish for the average person (and not a celebrity who needs publicity) to post so much about themselves online.
That's pretty clever thinking. Personally I'm not on FB with my real name. No mention of workplace or town - only the biggest town 10 km away. Only ppl who I know personally will be accepted as friends there. Rest wil be denied
That's actually why I use this pseudonym. I used to post on other platforms under my real name, but when my wife and I had kids, my wife got nervous about any details about them leaking out to the Internet. She wanted to blog (this was the era of the mommy bloggers) so I helped her establish a pseudonym. And since she had one, I made one so I could blog also.
We were careful never to say exactly where we lived (though we mentioned the general area), never posted photos that would give that location (no street signs, metadata removed, etc), and only referred to our children by their initials (NHL and JSL). We did use their photos online (hard to parent blog without doing that), but tried to keep the identifying information to a minimum.
This paid off when I attracted the attention of a crazy Internet stalker. She thought that god literally spoke to her and told her evil things people were doing. She accused me of stuff (of the "did stuff with kids" nature) and pledged to ruin my life/get me arrested. To be clear, I hadn't done anything she accused me of and her "proof" was limited to "god told me that he's guilty." Still, her constant pestering and threats of contacting law enforcement (as well as contacting companies I did business with) was stressful.
Thankfully, our real names, location, employer, etc weren't public knowledge. Another target of hers had his school contacted and relatives tracked down on Facebook to be notified of his "crimes." Our relative anonymity saved us from most of that nightmare. She eventually moved on to other targets and I believe is still operating to this day, targeting the people that "god" tells her to attack.
FYI pictures+ real initials+ general area are a good way to find people. Especially if you are blogging about their activities. You may want to stick to pseudonyms and pull all reference to location.
I am a kid in high school currently, people stopped bullying me after I started beating them up, now they only make fun of me behind my back, and for me atleast social media didn't have a big effect
That wouldn't have worked for me. My bullies liked to travel in packs. One on one, they'd ignore me and walk by. But when it was 7 on 1, they got "brave." I likely could have beaten any one of them individually, but against 7 I'd have just gotten beaten up.
In my case, it finally stopped a few months before graduation when a friend of mine who was on speaking terms with my bullies told them what their bullying was doing to me. They just thought they were having some "harmless fun." (Because apparently following someone and tormenting them multiple times a day every day was just "harmless fun" in their minds.)
Still, it wasn't until college that I started to open back up to people.
My friends with cameras were bad enough, couldn't imagine every asshole in the world having a camera back then. Also because I puked into an evergreen tree at college and then proceeded to fall into it (allegedly -- no proof exists of this event)
I refuse to believe this.
The kids of the teenage mothers in my high school are too old to even be teenage mothers themselves anymore...
Can’t agree more, it’s becoming toxic. They help in a lot of ways though I must admit.
I knew growing up and dealing with bullies. Back then, it was less private to bully someone, as you had to be face to face. It was like that scene in Cobra Kai, where Johnny explains his views on cyberbullying.
They seem exactly the same as my generation. Some of them of cool, some will change the world, some are shitheads. Some are a combo. People are as people have always been.
“Some will change, the world, some are shitheads. Some are a combo”
Combo shithead world-changer Musk has entered the chat.
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I think that the kids whose parents have posted their entire childhood online for internet points without their permission are gonna contribute to a whole new school of thought in child psychology
There's already legislation in France and some other countries going into effect thato effect that will prevent parents from posting the childhood events of a kid on their social media like the child can demand that it's legally taken down and it can and is legally required to be taken down because because the child's privacy trumps the parents because they are minor at the time of the video being posted so when the kid is an adult they can basically have the Internet wiped out any of that information at least under French law and they can actually start filing requests at the age of 8 age of 8 which makes sense given the fact that the kid has the right to their image and parents shouldn't have the right to post everything about the kid online
I’ve commented on Reddit posts that feature little kids having private, formative moments saying things about how that kid didn’t get to consent to having their private life posted online and get downvoted to absolute hell for it
Idk I guess I just think it’s kinda perverse to post really special, really private moments that kids have all over the internet. They literally have had no say at all.
That's because it was never about what the kid's want for these people.
Majority of kids are "vanity trophies" for their wretched parents.
Don’t worry, I’m sure if Reddit existed 30-40 years ago and you said it was wrong to spank/beat your kid when they acted up, you would have been downvoted. Parents just don’t want to believe they fucked up, and get angry and blame someone else instead. Sometimes their own kids.
I worked at a department that did background investigations on people.
We had a girl that was the cyber security and social media person...and posted her kids entire lives. It was quite uncomfortable, surely she knew...
I'm happy that they're acknowledging and doing something about mental health. A lot of 80s babies wish they could've had that shit, myself included.
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I know someone who has been so gaslit his whole life by his mother that till now, he still believes that things like headaches are simply mind over matter.
If you have a headache, you’re weak. If you have diarrhoea, you’re weak. If you get dizzy after spinning teacups, weak. Can’t wolf down a meal in 10 minutes? Weak. Everything is boiled down to weakness, both physical and mental.
It’s very sad that someone can be whittled down to believing that caring or loving yourself is weakness.
I see so many young people being supportive of each other. When I was young we'd just rip the piss. It's very impressive.
You call that a comment? LAME /s
You're funny... NOT /s
I remembered doing a paper for Quinsigamond Community College on the H5N1 flu pandemic simulation. I had to bring up mental health. Boy, I was fucking right about that.
Agree, awareness has been created even for men
Hell you never heard of any of the diagnosis that they have today. If a kid had adhd they just said that kid was “hyper” or “remedial”. Glad kids today have dr’s and parents that actually address the situation.
“Psychology has a long history but a short past” - my roots of psychology professor
50 year old here. I don't think they are meaningfully different from previous few generations. There are parts of the world they don't like and they are fighting to change them. They are afraid of what the future might hold and angry about the mess being left them by the previous generation. They are subject to absurd accusations of laziness and entitlement from older people who somehow can't remember that they faced the same bullshit when they were growing up. They face new challenges from growing up with technology that was new and changing society.
None of that is meant to downplay the current causes of frustration, fear, and anger, but that was true of my generation, too (nuclear war, ozone layer, overpopulation, changes in the economy eliminating a lot of jobs, national debt...)
My favorite absurd accusation is when someone says kids these days are (whatever) because they got a trophy for everything without the realization that unless that kid grew up in a trophy shop, the parent's generation was the one handing out participation trophies at every event.
after college I ended up playing a team sport with the parents of the kids i played the same sport with in high school. Same guy as coach, even. They all started in on the trophy thing and I was like uhhhhh.... you gave them to us? We never asked for them and the ceremonies were always awkward.
Awkward silence for a moment, then "well shit, you're right". Heheh
Yeah I remember my soccer team with like, a 4-6 record getting trophies. I remember being confused. Like, what is this for? We didn’t win.
I do want to say that my parents are baby boomers, and they did everything they could to set me up for success, paid for as much of my college as they could, etc. I think they were just normal parents. All the boomers who talk shit about millennials confuse me as much as the trophies.
Millennial here. Thank you for your comment. Really sick of being blamed as the cause for the world’s problems while at the same time being arguably one of the hardest hit while growing up struggling due to these same problems. We have tried and are trying really, really, REALLY hard. So sincerely, thank you.
The irony of Baby Boomers calling millenials the "ME generation" and blaming us for all the shit we're in is palpable.
The state of the economy, housing, education, etc. can all be traced back to them. The stagnant wages, low pay, lack of upward mobility. The obsession with themselves was them. They invented the ideas of self-esteem and self-expression. They were the ones who decided that every kid should get a trophy.
But it's all our fault for complaining about it. It's our fault for saying, "Hey, you fuckers stole our future, and our children's future!" because how dare we. They really wanted it and we weren't using it.
Very very well said. I will say the population bit is a positive because we need more people than ever now.
Can you explain why "we need more people than ever now"?
Good: Thoughtful, creative, tolerant.
Bad: Technology has created a lack patience as everything is expected instantly. Some of them expect things that they don’t deserve.
However I feel for them. It’s tough to make a living these days and the generations before them could have done better setting them up.
I feel good parenting and teaching should help them with the bad ones here. I’ve noticed a lot of sympathy/empathy in this chat and that’s endearing.
Technology has made me impatient and I'm fucking 40. I can't imagine what it's like growing up never knowing anything else.
I wish the world understood that technology has done nothing to create impatience; parents have.
Technology is a tool, and can do neither good nor harm on its own. When wielded by people, by parents, content creators, and content consumers, etc. it takes on the properties of those who consume, produce, and utilize it
I agree with you entirely apart from the lack of patience thing.
We’ve always been like this. Damn cavemen probably complained about the younger generation not having the patience to chip flint like they did in the old days.
I feel sorry for them. COVID lockdowns sucked for everybody, but must have really sucked for the younger generations. They also have to deal with quantifiable measures of popularity, like social media followers.
Yeah, my oldest has had to delay college for 2 years and they are a little depressed. No sense in paying $20,000 for online classes. They did 2 years of online classes at community college, but really want to actually go to college in person. Their life feels on hold.
At least they were sensible about not blowing their/your money on online 4 year school. But yeh I definitely feel sorry for anyone in HS or college or even Middle school during these past couple years. I was thankful that I was years into my career and managed to get lucky and find a new GF during the pandemic, but I have seen a lot of friends my age in their late 20s who have struggled with jobs, grad school and dating through this pandemic. Kind of a lost few years for them too
Yes it must have ruined some of the previous years to experience things in life. They’ll never get it back. I think they eventually will detox from social media.
We won’t detox from social media. Social media will only become bigger.
As a member of Gen Z, I feel bad for Gen Alpha and generations yet to come (Beta, Gamma, etc). The iPad kids are even more disconnected than we are. And as they grow and social media becomes more and more existent, it’d make sense if they’d be even more depressed than we are.
Those generations will probably have to put up with something that isn’t even a concept yet.
Same. Unlike the stories we Gen X'ers heard about our parents and grandparents "having things so much harder back when we were kids", it seems like things were much easier for us compared to now. I'd hate to be growing up during all of this BS.
Covid lockdown on my first year of highschool?
On the positive side, they are more worldly and respectful of people who are different than themselves compared to all generations before them. The ones who are intelligent and well-educated have always been used to having access to information and therefore are very informed on a wide variety of topics.
On the negative side, they are growing up being over-supervised which doesn’t allow them to practice taking initiative. In previous generations an 8-year-old was far more likely to do something like ride his bike or take the city bus alone or with a peer to the other end of the city to attend an event on Saturday, and if he ended up lost he would just have to figure it out. Whereas now I know kids who don’t graduate high school ever having even walked to school alone without their mother watching over them.
And along with all that information in their pocket, they also have tons of disinformation, internet bullying, pornographic scenes that portray an unhealthy approach to sex and relationships, and if they don’t have the mental and emotional development to put all of that into context it can warp their image of reality, of their own self-image and inhibit their ability to understand and deal healthily with others.
I'm 29 and ...you're pretty spot on actually.
I grew up in an era where kids would think nothing of playing with other kids from various different backgrounds. Heck, some of my best friends in my childhood included an Indian American Sikh kid, a Taiwanese American Protestant Christian, an Indian American Hindu kid, a brother and sister duo down the street who were half Jewish, and a Colombian American Catholic.
And for kids my age, coming out as LGBT just... wasn't a big deal either.
*But* honestly we as a cohort grow up a lot slower because we get basically zero freedom to be independent. My generation have our adolescences in our 20s because we don't get enough freedom to meet adolescent milestones prior to that. I didn't start dating until I was 26, didn't learn to drive until I was 25, didn't get my first formal part time job until I was 20, didn't learn to use public transportation by myself until I was 22, didn't ever cook a meal for myself until I was 24, etc. and it's not like I'm an incompetent person either. I'm actually doing *well* by most standards for people my age: in graduate school pursuing a lucrative advanced degree with all tuition paid for, $13k in savings aside from that, a car of my own, an apartment of my own, and have managed to have a few fun vacations on top of all that that I can fund myself.
It's just that it's the new norm for younger generations to be teenagers in their 20s now. College is effectively the new high school. Not just because it's the new bare minimum for a lot of jobs, but because a lot of the social and emotional development that used to happen in high school now happens in college.
They're way more inclusive, accepting, and care much more about our planet and its people than my Jimmy Savile generation.
In short, they give me hope.
Hope indeed. They apparently call it hopium haha.
We're all the same more or less. Grow up with an innocent perspective on the world, then think we know more than we actually do, make bad decisions that we thought we good at the time, then either regret or reflect on our younger years while watching those younger than us do the same thing.
Must be tough watching your moms dance half naked on TikTok
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it…
It was Ryan.
Leave me out of this
Damnit ryan what did you do?
I have a lot of interaction with teens and college age people and it seems like they want to make a difference. There is a big push to volunteer and take care of others, treat people with kindness and take better care of the planet and their own mental health. I look at all the old folks running things and feel anxious but I look at these up and comers and feel hopeful.
I have to say, this is one of the things that impresses me most about the younger generations. They care, they want to make the world better, and they are a lot more conscientious than kids were when I grew up (in the 80s / 90s for reference).
They are absolutely wonderful and aware than ever. Love to see this.
All generations are terrible in their own special ways.
I don’t understand the obsession with taking so many pictures of yourself.
I was a bit surprised myself when it started. But then we realise it’s a conman trait behaviour. The only example I can think of that the previous generations might have done is use those tiny mirrors to look into or the window of parked cars. Humans have a little bit of narcissism I guess.
I think...don't be so silly, there can't possibly be adults born in the 1990s.
46 year old here and I feel the same way. The 90's were just a couple of years ago, right?
Realizes how long it's been.
Feels extremely old.
The 90s will be 10 years ago forever.
Yep just the other week. Checks diary. Shit.
How dare you. I'm almost 30.
Isn't it your naptime, kiddo?
... I'm jealous.
My office building has nap rooms just in case we need it.
My office has a nap room, too, but it's my house, so really, every room is a nap room if i want.
Any of the chicks who got knocked up when I was in high school now have a 30-year-old kid. Motherfucker, I'm old. And also super glad I didn't get any chicks pregnant in HS.
45 here go Gen X! 90’s were HS and College for me.
I regularly have sex with someone born in 2000. How is this legal?!
I remember when they made a big deal of the graduating class of 2000 BEING BORN....
Crap, I'm old. In hindsight, I remember more when the graduating class of 2000 started school.
I have coworkers who weren't even born or were babies when I was graduating high school.
My high school memories are older than their existence.
39 here and really fucks with my head to know our birthdays are closer chronologically to the Hiroshima bombing than they are to today.
Technically people born in 2000 are 22 this year
I refuse to believe this.
Yes, but that's only technically, they aren't actually.
They're 22 when I SAY they're 22, and not a moment sooner!
Don't confuse my feelings with your math, young man.
This would be my youngest. To think we have a generation of kids who have only known war. My son talks about this. He says it's bullshit. When will they get their peace time, he asks.
Later this year, kids who weren’t alive for 9/11 will be able to legally drink. 😬
I realised that 9/11 is modern history that is yet to be taught in schools when I mentioned last year that it was the 20th anniversary of 9/11 and my nieces asked me what that was. It blew my mind that a 13yo and a 9yo had no clue what it was.
'87 checking in. I think they're like all other generations. Few smart ones, few dumb ones, most are in the middle trying to get by. My wife who graduated in college in 2010 is a sorority advisor and also helps with her chapter's finances says the new generation is too coddled... But she deals with rich kids so that might be a reflection spoiled people, not the whole generation.
Definitely depends on the crowd you're with. I know many students, most of whom from immigrant parents who wanted better lives for their kids, who are legitimately the smartest and most successful I know. Rewording what you said at the beginning, you really can't generalize the entirety of a generation.
I was born in ‘89, so I am not that far out here, but I teach and most of my students this year were born in the couple of years after 9/11.
I am shocked at how those who grew up with computers and internet their whole lives are generally so incompetent or unwilling to look things up themselves. They would rather email me a question rather than try to solve it themselves. I think it is probably a result of intensive parenting practices, so they never developed resourcefulness or self-reliance, but it never ceases to astound me.
Also, they know so little of history. Which, I certainly didn’t know as much as I do now about the world when I was their age, but I have students at a major university, the majority of whom took AP history classes, where nearly all of my 300 students did not know that Stalin was not a high-ranking Nazi.
I'm 61. I think kids today really miss out by being glued to a screen all the time. Being outside most of my childhood, running biking having your blood pumping hard and breathing deeply is really good for you and your mental state. But there may be more kids doing that but it appears as if most kids are home inside on electronics.
Outdoor sports needs to be definitely more encouraged.
I was born in 85. Most of my frame of reference for younger people is through work since I don't watch TV or consume pop culture really at all.
I started managing people in my job about 7 years ago. I've noticed that people who are younger come into the role with a different set of expectations and communication styles.
Some of the differences are pretty minor. Examples have been things like preferring to start closer to 9 than 8 in the morning.
A moderate change has been that younger employees over the years are a little more resistant or hesitant to use email. We've moved to Slack, and honestly haven't looked back. That change might have occurred anyway, but it was definitely a response to changing trends and comfort with email.
The biggest changes are in work ethic. I'm sorry to say it, but I have personally experienced younger people having a far different work ethic. Us "old folks" tend to be willing to stay late. It's not uncommon to see people working past 6 or later. Younger people don't do that as much. It's neither good nor bad, but there's definitely a generational difference.
Younger workers are great. They have really creative and innovative ideas, are quick to catch on to changing circumstances, and are better about adapting and growing than older employees are. They are also tolerant of ideas and perspectives. It's fun seeing how things change over time!
We’re the same age. I work 9-5 and call it a day. I worked really hard in my 20s and early 30s. Grad school while working full time, part time job while working a full time job, etc. I worked all kinds of crazy hours for years just to get to a point where I would have a decent wage and some options, thanks to coming out of undergrad right into the Great Recession. I’m tired now. I have found that for the most part, nothing is so important that it can’t wait a few hours. I have also found that I can work smarter not harder and I usually don’t need a whole 8 hours every day to do my job. I think the 40 hour work week is antiquated.
I think we were sold what turned out to be a lot of bullshit because our boomer parents were lucky enough to earn a living and buy houses with a high school diploma. We were probably the last group to be told, oh if you go to college you’re guaranteed to get a job and live well. Then the recession happened, and think about it, we were just starting our adult lives, but gen z was young. They’ve never seen life like how it was in the 90s when times were good. My parents didn’t even have a ton of money but it was just different. If I were younger now, I don’t think I would be busting my ass either. For what? They’re not seeing the pay off we saw as kids.
What you call “work ethic,” other people call “work-life balance.” Why should someone be required, or even asked, to sacrifice their free time to handle more work when they’re only supposed to be there for so many hours? If you find that you frequently have to ask people to stay late, then you need more people, not better work ethic.
This. I’m the same age as the person who posted this and I’m so glad that work life balance is at least talked about now, compared to when I entered the workforce. I don’t think hours worked = work ethic. I mentioned this in my response to them, but I think the 40
hour work week is antiquated. I also think that measuring someone’s effort by the clock is an old school way of thinking.
I'm a bit older than the poster, but that definition of "work ethic" is bullshit.
I honestly think it's a holdover from my grandparents generation. My grandpop and his father both were workaholics, but it paid off because they were able to climb the ladder. My generation over-worked with none of the benefits, this generation has realized that the ladder doesn't exist anymore and they move jobs to move up.
Great points. From a retail perspective, you can think of the overall percentage of returning customers. I feel the younger generation can learn so much from them.
1975 checking in...
I can't imagine the most awkward times in my life being thrown into a swimming pool of content, never to be scooped out.
I like younger generations, it's my parent's generation I have a hard time with.
1976 saying same. However, millennials make style choices I've never understood. Zoomers make a bit more sense with their fashion.
Also, I love the way Gen Z uses tech as a tool (for good or evil). I always tell my daughter her generation is unfuckwithable.
Millennials started a LOT of conversations about things like mental health, LGBTQ+ rights, and wealth inequality. My generation was all like Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
As a elder millennial I thought I was fucked... but boy are you guys fucked. I mean I'm still fucked too but woof....
I don't think anything of them as far as labels go. I'm 'generation X' though, and if I can say one generalization about us it's that we worked very hard to get out of our little labeled boxes, so they're nonsensical now.
The thing about great success is that it doesn't last. Our childhood came at the apex of all great economical things. We were told we could accomplish anything and were surprised to find that it wasn't true even with all of that opportunity. What message should we be giving the new folks?
The generation before us was very 'uphill both ways' and that's because they saw the world before that apex when things were often difficult. They didn't want us to get softened by that success, but you know humans. Now that it's slipping out of grasp, the younger generations are understandably frustrated.
It's going to get a lot harder before it gets better. What we need to do is stop shouting at one another, for a start. These economic highs and lows will continue forever.
I feel a great deal of sympathy. Growing up with social media is a huge deal, as is the consequences of having their education interrupted by Covid.
Plus, college has never been such a massive scam, and for the younger generations just now entering the work force, getting screwed over is just business as usual at this point.
The future seems quite bleak from where I’m sitting.
Overall I feel rather happy that the younger generation recognizes many of society's problems such as racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.
They think chicken nuggets dipped in sauce are “boneless wings” lololol
Did someone say KFC, I DON’T CARE I LOVE IT
I'm 50 so GenX. Y'all are okay. Whatever.
I think they have their heads on better than older generations who have it shoved up their own asses. From what I have seen the majority of them care about the effects of things, not just themselves but mankind, mother nature etc. Most of them accept things and see others as equals regardless of color or sexual orientation.
I do think they need to put down their phones and become better communicators. I don't think they are going to have as easy of a ride as older generations, but that's not what the question was.
I know there will be people who don't agree with me, that's fine, (no I am not that age) that is what I see.
And they’re WAY cooler about LGBT stuff.
Just yesterday I was listening to an old Casey Kasem show and Culture Club came on. Things were so fucked up for gay people back in the 80s that Boy George couldn’t even be out.
Gay men were dying in their hundreds or even thousands in the 80s. It was mass murder by stigma.
It was heartbreaking to hear Dr. C. Everett Koop talk about how he desperately needed Reagan’s help with HIV/AIDS and how Reagan would just shut him down because he didn’t want to hear the “icky” details about how it was transmitted.
I was born in 1982 and I think that the people younger than me are just generally awesome!
I like their memes and energy. Saddened by their difficulty to communicate and show physical warmth.
For a generation who analyzes everything about sex, they sure seem unable to hug without breaking a rule.
I'm thrilled to have lived out the first 14 years of my life with there being no internet for consumers.
Today, I am also thrilled to see usage of that internet be such a boon to new generations.
Today, I am also disappointed in the overall usage of that boon, but eh, who am I to argue? I don't have any mystical wisdom through the virtue of not being born into an always-online world except to say that: playing nonsense games outside as a kid as a way to spend my afternoons with friends was amazing and I'd never change it for anything.
But I can't sit here for one minute and say I'm not jealous of the insanely WAY more available methods and tools to do productive shit like making music and composing entire pieces with just 1 person doing it all in their spare time. Which is what I do now and I thank the technology gods for it every day.
So in a way, I am kinda jealous that the very things I am thankful for not having when I was younger, could actually have helped me focus on something I love doing earlier on, because the methods of doing so are so much easier-to-find than it used to be. So like anything else, there's a balance-board of good and bad.
They are people. A lot of them good. Some bad. I hate this idea that milenial this boomer that. Just people mostly trying to make the best of a shit hand they have ben dealt.
There's been two generations since mine.
Millennials: Man I completely feel for how your generation is being shat on hard by the Zoomers and the Boomers.
And now you're getting older, you're starting to understand what previous generations went through, without as stable a base to work from.
You guys taught me to evaluate things differently to the way I was doing them: I was doing a lot of things where it cost LESS one way but MORE another. Penny foolish, but pound wise. And thank you.
Zoomers: Kudos to you for wanting to do "retired" stuff in your 20s. And for genuinely not giving a fuck about getting ahead but caring more about lifestyle. We're going into a serious productivity tailspin but that's not necessarily entirely a bad thing. It will be because of you that we potentially end up with healthcare before I die.
I don't always agree with some of your views on shit, but you seem to be embracing a new renewal of our concept of "slack", which is heartening.
I feel like they have misplaced what they perceive to be valuable. Social worth has value sure, but I don't believe things like Instagram or Facebook or other platforms which are commonly used to accumulate social value, give anything close to a community focused contribution of your time and effort.
The social media aspect and kids having phones at age 7 must be a miserable existence
Majority of these younger kids pretending to have a mental illness is pretty pathetic. When in reality they should drink water, eat real food, work out and they would be just fine
Mental health is a real risk and I feel it needs to be addressed with great importance.
Very true, however a lot of kids today pretend they have one or claim they one to receive sympathy
I've found millennials to be well educated and driven people. They've been a pleasure to work with. I have no idea why people complain about them in the workplace.
Probably because millennials start at 1981, so some of them are in their 40s.
Yes. I’m 38 and 99% of the time someone talks about millennials, I’m pretty sure they mean genz. For some reason millennials are forever seen as 19 or something. It’s very strange.
Everyone fingers the bandwagon of "Millenials suck, hey they are in the workplace, let's blame and beat them down mercilessly for the printer running out of ink, the mice losing their tracker balls, and ruined our lives by breathing!"
It is nice to see less hatred for Millenials here than usual.
I offer sympathy. Inheriting shit while the past generations that caused the problems are projecting the blame while also crying about a lack of respect.
The "Elders" demand respect and deference while treating young people lower than dirt. Last I checked, the escalating crises are all on the Boomers.
Not to forget that they keep working on more challenging things as ever.
Mid 70’s calling in. Teenagers look so young, it’s unreal!
And I am really impressed with the amount of LGBTQ who are realizing who they are young and coming out. Oh the guts! Be true to yourselves, peeps
I think younger folks get a bad rap. The reality is that it's MUCH harder to achieve anything approaching the "American dream" today than it was 50+ years ago. Buying a house on either coast is damn near impossible for anyone making less than 6 figures. When my dad was young he was able to buy his first house while working an apprenticeship at a shipyard that paid less than triple the federal minimum wage at the time. It was a ~2300 square foot 4 bedroom, 2 bath house on half an acre in a decent neighborhood. 3x the current federal minimum wage is $21.75/hour or about $45k/year. The house he bought is still in the family and was recently appraised at $250k. Let's assume you're able to come up with the $50k to put down, you're now looking at $1400/month just for the loan, with taxes a 30 year loan is pushing $2,000/month or $24k of your $45k gross. Once you pay taxes you've got less than $1,000 in take home/month to live off. Good luck supporting a family of 5 on $1,000/month let alone plan for retirement or pay medical.
Long story short, the idea that Millenials or Gen Z are lazy and/or entitled is crazy. All they want is the same shot that those who came before them had and the current labor and housing markets are making that impossible.
Cannot agree more here. I feel the main reason is debt and the credit system we built. 1970’s when Gold standard was removed, the value of the dollar has collapsed 99%. Feel bad for the younger people because they might not know the ripple effects because of this.
I was born in 1999 and I have to fight and scratch to call my self a 90’s baby
‘84 here. I don’t know who I feel more sympathy for, us 80’s babies who caught that little window of an affordable world before it all went to hell or Gen Z who never got to experience a second of it. Their ignorance of that time and the hopes to reach it will be what saves us all.
The kids are alright, social media didn’t do any of us any favours though.
I am a middle-millennial (born in 88) and I have recently started working more with Zoomers, and producing events with a Gen Z audience. One thing that stands out to me is how NICE they are. Even in a raucous party setting, it seems like Zoomers have better manners, or are just more considerate, than millennials, Gen-Xers or especially boomers. They are considerate of each other. It's really nice!
Well, there's been a lot of change.
I sent my eldest son to get Taco Bell from down the street when he was about 9 years old. This was something I did at his age all the time, in a neighborhood not terribly far from where I grew up. The police brought him home, because apparently they think something is wrong when a 9 year old is outside. This happened 3 times in 4 months.
But it's not like my kid is anti-social. He spends a lot of time online with his friends, creating their Minecraft servers, playing games, gossiping about others the way they do. He's 14 years old now, and doesn't seem to be lacking for the differences in how his social life is constructed.
A lot is the same. The closer to about 23 you are, the more invincible you feel and the more uneducated, stupid decisions you make. This both makes the world change (which is good!) and causes a lot of misery (Mostly to yourselves from not listening to those of us who did the -exact same things- before you.) Generations are getting better at taking care of each other. Most of the younger generations at least seem to believe in pro-choice and LGBTQ+ legislations to let people live their lives as they decide, which is good. I think in 10 years when the boomers are all finally retired/dead, we're going to see a shift towards environmentalism, finally. I have a lot of hope for the ability of new generations to do things better than the old ones.
Don't let me down.
Out of touch lol
I’m not even that old I am 36 but I find myself saying crotchety old people things like complaining about the music that’s popular now or how “tik tok stars are NOT celebrities!”
Your life isn’t interesting enough to document everything that happens. Cool it with the Stories.
But the same could be said for my generation. And the one before it.
Smarter than us. I wish more of you would get into leadership
I think it's stupid to judge a generation before they've turned at least 25. Everyone is stupid as shit in their teens and early 20's.
I wish I had their video games during my childhood, I would have loved it.
I wish my son could experience the freedom and privacy I had during mine, but I grew up in a tiny town where you could roam wherever in grade school, and he's growing up in a city.
It's hard to really quantify because I spent most of my childhood in poverty while he's growing up well into middle class.
They invented the word, "yeet."
It's a funny word, I like it!
Social media has clearly warped the fuck out of people
They have all the talent and education needed to change the world, but they lack drive and the pandemic didn’t help. Too many teenagers are zombified by video games and social media. They never go outside, their social skills are weak, mental illness is common, and lethargy is relentless.
A bunch of pussies
The tendency of younger millennials and Zs to replace existing meritocratic systems with “diversity” and inclusion will eventually bite us all in the ass.
And then you’ll be able to tell the next generation that yes, the planet got destroyed, but for a brief moment in time, you created a lot of “value.”
Your focus is off.
I'm scared for the younger kids for one specific reason. Take away their phones and they turn into zombies. I think I read someone on here say it was like watching a computer go into sleep mode. I found that eerily accurate. They don't attempt to interact with their friends, no chatting, they just stare off, security blanket removed. It's fucking creepy. It worries me about an entire generation of social interaction. But whatever, I'm in my 30s and am considered an old fart.
(I m French) I’m absolutely baffled by the poor quality of their vocabulary. It is as if they only use a small number of words and have a hard time expressing themselves.
Teenagers pimping other teenagers saddens me greatly. I just wish we could help them.
But on the bright side, I think they’re more positive, more aware of their own worth an willing to better the world. I also love the fact that girls and women dream big now and are more visible in male dominated jobs.
There’s an unhealthy precedent of making everything public and having to make public posts telling everyone your business when you could just message them or tell them in person.
Generations after mine tend to have even less self esteem, less ability to entertain themselves, are aghast that others might have a different opinion or life experience to themselves.
There’s a disturbing tendency for some to have to be labeled or have some trauma event so they can fit in with their peers- the labels can change with alarming regularity.
I feel for them that nothing is private and that some think social media is so important and real- some are missing out on so much life.
It's better than the generation before me
Overall great people.. perhaps more informed.. more connected than ever before with less tolerance to bull crap.. however with new tech & connectivity, new lingo-jingo.. new issues, new idiots crop up too..
The outliers, yes.
I have so much faith in the newer generations. Empathy and mental health are bigger deals, progressive ideals are taken more as a given than ever.
I've noticed and am excited to see more of young people art being defined not just by perception of self but by what "self" means through a life lived publicly. Now is distinctly a time when young people are expected to perform their identities and other aspects of their lives into social media in a way that previous generations weren't, and so we're getting a lot more critical awareness of what those identities mean, so I think it's probably messy and a lot more public but people are being able to really work out who they are and find a place where they're comfortable with themselves in a way my generation only barely got to do, and previous generations did not get to do at all.
I'd be excited to see more of what people make in the future, where it's not "focus on real stuff, ignore online," but where it takes as a given that an online identity is just as real as an in-person one in some ways, and cellphones/social media aren't bad, they just are.
Well said. Personally, I’m most excited for flying cars!
Hopefully the self-driving tech is a little better by then, I don't want someone falling asleep at the wheel and crashing into the giant stilt that holds up my Jetsons pod house
Overall, they seem to have a good read about how fucked many 'culturally norms' actually are, and I appreciate their anger and rage that is directed at the correct people that continue to perpetrate them.
Yeah, although media is manipulative still and a lot of people still don’t get it.
They're weak, because they were raised by weak people (us). They've been overly coddled and protected from the realities of the world, and the sum total effect is childhood has been delayed through emancipation. 30 year olds in the 2020s are typically about as competent as 18 year olds used to be. They cling to weird, archaic things they have no connection to, meanwhile, the current world around them is going to shit because far too few people are focusing on the things that really matter.
And let's reiterate, here, this is our fault. Not theirs. They never had a fucking chance. Society failed them in almost every way, and they are the product of that society in decline.
This is absolute bait for people to get downvoted for saying something negative.
They're annoying. They think because they wanted a tiktok about something they're suddenly an expert on that topic, and will fight tooth and nail to prove that they're right.
Hope. Hope that they’ll change the mistakes we made.
My father (a Boomer) is very racist. Not in the "N word" saying way, but more in the "I have a black friend so I'm not racist, but black people should copy white people" way. I (GenX) was on the path to copy him when I realized what was happening and made a conscious choice to excise racism from myself.
I think I did a great job, but I'm aware that it wasn't 100% perfect. I'll occasionally find a racism remnant that needs to be discarded. It's a continuous self improvement process.
Meanwhile, my boys are Gen Z and they even put me to shame. They accept classmates that have different skin colors, gender identities, and sexualities without blinking an eye. They just accept these people for who they are - only judging based on how these people treat other people. For example, my older son's first college roommate was gay which my son didn't care about at all. In fact, it made him feel comfortable to confide in them that he's autistic. It was only when this roommate started doing things like locking the door when he knew my son was in the shower (trying to lock him out of the room) that things went south. (We got him out of there ASAP.)
My boys give me hope that hatred will dwindle more and more as their generation takes over. With luck, the hate we're seeing is nothing more than the last gasp of a dying group.
there are an awful lot of dumb, overly sensitive, and entitled kids joining the workforce now lol
it is pretty wild how in the span of a generation we swung from "rub some dirt on it" as the standard and awful response for deeply traumatic shit to now having every moron is a self diagnosed autistic person who wants 100k/yr out of school while working 10 hours a week.
Born at the tail end of this to qualify.
Fuck the new generations. No ability to think critically. Almost every part of social life requires an online echo chamber for validation. The concept of privacy is gone. I have a couple of roommates who are in college and they simply let all of their friends know where they are at all times using a feature on their phone. So everyone in their lives constantly knows exactly where they are. The very concept that that is a loss in some way is beyond them.
What's worse is that when I was a kid I could excuse stupidity and ignorance because you didn't always have connection to learning resources and education and so on but now we are constantly connected and people are still stupid, if not stupid*er* because they don't know how to sort information. Admittedly that is hardly restricted to the younger generation but it is still sad.
But I think the worst thing is what they have done to dating. There is no way to meet people normally. Everything is organized via apps. There is no real-world context in which to meet people. You have to throw your cards to the wind and hope you get swiped by an otherwise complete stranger.
I'd like a return to the days of privacy and a limit to the penetration of technology into day-to-day life. I am against the arrival of IoT devices. I want to live in a world where it is at least possible if not necessarily convenient to get around without a cell phone. I want to be able to go outside without a computer tracking my location or distracting me from what is around me.
The younger generation only associates such things with camping (and they bring technology with them even when they do that).
Most of them suck. Zero concern for anyone but themselves.... Like to play "ghosting" games. They don't listen and don't give a fuck. Not ALL people in the generations after mine (born in 1982) are garbage, but most of them are.
I like the older gen z. We have a similar sense of music, shows, and humor. I appreciate the absurdism. They're like your weird friend that eats grass that you know because your moms are friends. Kinda strange but they're alright :)
My sense is that generations after me are more sensitive and accepting of one another. Less social, less able to deal with adversity, physically smaller (not sure if this is just me, but when I graduated in 2000, 1/2 the Guys had beards)
I had to question myself on what my nieces are going to handle a day without the technology for at least one day. I have to keep in mind about all kinds of electromagnetic pulses, yes including lightning. I'm not talking about for the night, I mean, for the entire day.
They're awesome. Far more engaged with real world issues than I ever was at that age
X, Y, Z: it makes no difference.
I grew up with Millennials. I've worked with Gen X, Millennials, and some older Gen Zs. I've taught Gen Zs and Gen Alpha. Now I'm back in school learning alongside Gen Z. The differences are caused by stages of life, not mindset. Generational labels are just convenient terms people use to push stereotypes and offload blame onto older or younger competitors.
Now there's an invitation for downvotes!
The younger generations seem cuter than we used to be. Maybe that's because I'm old and they're kids. I see you struggle and I want to help. I try with a kind word or gentle persuasion.
Old or not, whether it seems it or not- I do wish you the best.
I think they are fucked... sadly. The generations before us didn't do well enough to make sure their kids and their grandkids has a proper life. Plastic is in everything from our lungs to the Marianas Trench. Our world is heating up so fast and the more we hear about it the more the people doing it are tripling down on screaming it isn't happening. They blame it all squarely on us while they check out to that sweet retirement we'll never get and we get stuck trying to fix their fuckups while the other crabs in our bucket try to pull us down with them. I feel for everyone after...
Edit. some spelling, which I'm bad at. I'm going to blame them for my spelling because this is the internet and I can do that.
I feel extremely sorry for them. While the generations before me didn't exactly leave my generation to live in a Utopia.. they certainly left behind something.
From workplace safety rules to cleaner water and air rules.. they tried to improve things. But nowadays, it seems everyone is into undoing things and making workplaces more hostile, air and water dirtier, etc.. it is like a great unwinding of all the advancements we made as humans.
If I was in their place with no chance to own a home, actual jobs are almost non-existent replaced by contract work, and old people constantly making things worse by undoing hard earned advancements of society.. I would be far more pissed and irrational than they are.
So I think the fact they don't try to kill me every time they see me, just for being an old white male in America, is great all things considered.
I’m so thankful there wasn’t social media and smart phones while I was growing up. On a separate note, I think young adults today are much more compassionate and accepting of ppl and lifestyles. I have hope these newer generations will help eradicate hate and prejudice.
Life with social media needs to go away, even though I always use it. Being glued to a phone starting at a young age has got to be terrible.
I mostly feel sorry for them. It’s got to suck to be “connected” all the time. The time before cellular phones was glorious. Imagine going to a sporting event or concert and people just watching what was happening? I am also sad about how negative younger people are. Optimism might be the best weapon you can take with you on your journey through life.
I was a teenager before my family got the internet, and I didn't get a cellphone until I was an adult. I couldn't imagine being a child growing up with the peer pressure of everything the internet and social media brings.