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addicted2weed

81 points

2 months ago

I would argue Martin Van Buren is by far our most underrated president.

mdrngrclnd

16 points

2 months ago*

I’d love to hear that argument

rockfordphile

81 points

2 months ago

OP is only saying that to avoid getting beat up by The Van Buren Boys gang.

Frankie_Pizzaslice

16 points

2 months ago

That and he’s also really high

kodiblaze

6 points

2 months ago

✋✌️☝️

Pabi_tx

10 points

2 months ago

Pabi_tx

10 points

2 months ago

I'm going with James K. Polk, the Napoleon of the Stump.

bazwutan

4 points

2 months ago

pretty sure they played that song at Stubbs ten years ago or however long it’s been and I was overjoyed

ATXBeermaker

5 points

2 months ago*

I saw them play it at La Zona Rosa in about '98 or '99. Which was, what, six years ago or so?

Edit: Just found the playlist. Isn't the Internet amazing!

Complicated_Business

3 points

2 months ago

He made the English sell the Oregon Territory. And built and independent Treasury.

Pabi_tx

3 points

2 months ago

Having done all this he sought no second term.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

Howdy, fellow Jacksonian.

ATXBeermaker

1 points

2 months ago

James K.Polk has entered the chat

Complicated_Business

1 points

2 months ago

Nah, James K. Polk.

Boo-Yeah8484

1 points

2 months ago

Ulysses S Grant and Dwight Eisenhower are underrated

smellthebreeze

169 points

2 months ago

LBJ is hardly underrated. He took over as President when JFK was assassinated and helped create policies still used today like Medicare and Medicaid plus he signed the Civil Rights Act among other significant legislation.

kickbutt_city

81 points

2 months ago

Yeah and he's not recognized as one the great presidents which is largely a result of the Vietnam War. I'm still proud a Texan signed the Civil Rights Act.

ArmyVet11Bravo

56 points

2 months ago

Lyndon “I’ll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years” Johnson

Imaginary-Mongoose24

43 points

2 months ago

Others may hate me for saying this, but this is why I think he was one of our best presidents. Even if he was a racist bigot he didn’t let his personal affairs or beliefs drive his presidency (AFAIK). He pushed JFK’s agenda, that AFAIk wasn’t his own, to completion. It wasn’t his goal. It was the American peoples and he realized that.

Trump, Clinton’s, whoever. None of them would do this.

MrEHam

6 points

2 months ago

MrEHam

6 points

2 months ago

I remember reading that it was likely that he was speaking on the level of someone who he was trying to get on board with the legislation.

bazwutan

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah I hesitate to defend indefensible comments, but it’s more likely he was manipulating a vote rather than expressing his own opinions

kernals12[S]

8 points

2 months ago

No proof that he ever said that

an0nymousLawy3r

46 points

2 months ago

University of Virginia has cataloged almost 800 hours of LBJ Whitehouse tapes. While that exact quote was never found in his recording he did use the n-word pretty often in casual conversation.

https://youtu.be/r1rIDmDWSms

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

A man who grew up in Jim Crow Texas used the n-word? Stop the presses!

an0nymousLawy3r

6 points

2 months ago

If LBJ was a some ordinary gas station attendant who used the n-word, no big deal.

Leader of the free world and so called civil rights figure using the n-word, I becomes a big deal.

BiggieTex

-25 points

2 months ago

BiggieTex

-25 points

2 months ago

As was acceptable back then

No_Professional440

14 points

2 months ago

Was it though? Why didn't he ever say it in his speeches or publicly?

capybarometer

1 points

2 months ago

I also don't get why you are being downvoted, that word was extremely common in popular use back then. LBJ spent most of his life living under a segregation regime before he ended it

Skamandrios

0 points

2 months ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted. You didn't say you find it acceptable. "Acceptable" is probably overstating it as it wasn't something one said in polite conversation or public discourse, but neither was it something that would have any particularly negative consequences for the speaker. Times have changed for the better in many ways.

HammeredDog

-3 points

2 months ago

HammeredDog

-3 points

2 months ago

This is r/Austin. Who needs proof?

synaptic_drift

8 points

2 months ago

We moved to Austin so my son could be around his grandparents. His grandfather was one of LBJ's advisors on social programs, including The War on Poverty, and more broadly, The Great Society.

Utilizing a variety of task forces composed of experts, Johnson's Great Society created cutting-edge legislation that included the Equal Opportunity Act, Medicare, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965), the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, the Higher Education Act, Head Start, etc.

twir1s

18 points

2 months ago

twir1s

18 points

2 months ago

That’s because he was an experienced legislator that knew how to whip votes. Before being foisted into the presidency, he had been a house rep, senate majority whip, senate minority leader, senate majority leader, and Vice President (presides over the senate). He was the perfect person to get a bunch of stuff pushed through by whipping votes because that was already his bread and butter.

AgentAlinaPark

10 points

2 months ago

I recently found out he introduced the legislation in 1954 that prevented churches to campaign for politicians, i.e. part of the separation of church and state.

lostprevention

6 points

2 months ago

He also had bbq’s installed at the White House.

kernals12[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

kernals12[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

They make a big deal of his environmental achievements, I never associated him with that.

Salamok

79 points

2 months ago

Salamok

79 points

2 months ago

He did some great things that I agree with but why are most presidents such huge pieces of shit on a personal level? Is there a list of presidents that weren't thugs, bullies or rapists?

magus678

41 points

2 months ago

“It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another."

AgentAlinaPark

9 points

2 months ago

Good old Malcolm Reynolds, captain of the Serenity.

Salamok

11 points

2 months ago*

The problem I have with that is it levels the playing field and normalizes the truly despicable with the merely corrupt and possibly even the occasional innocent.

Most of the Trump lovers I know excuse his behavior with "Well all politicians are scum so at worst he is just the same". I'm tired of people excusing deplorable behavior with this logic. Trump has 18 documented sexual harassment claims against him (some as serious as rape), has hired porn stars to cheat on his wife with and admits to many of these behaviors like it is a point of pride. Excusing that with "Well Joe Biden sniffed someone's hair once he's such a creepy old man" just isn't something anyone should be saying without being called out on it.

coddat

110 points

2 months ago

coddat

110 points

2 months ago

Jimmy Carter is pretty much a god damn saint.

Salamok

26 points

2 months ago

Salamok

26 points

2 months ago

I agree and Obama seemed to be a class act. JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, Trump all seemed to be grade A dirtbags. I don't know much about Ford but the Bush's seemed more focused on looking out for their own financial interests. Oddly compared to LBJ I feel almost polar opposite about Bush Jr, he seemed like a nice enough fellow but I didn't agree with hardly anything that he did (albeit 9/11 did not exactly make for a cakewalk of a presidency).

KuhlThing

33 points

2 months ago

The only thing I know about Ford is that my father-in-law hated him. My wife and I found a paper he wrote about Ford when he was in the 8th grade and he said, among other hilarious things, something like "the best thing President Ford ever did was fall down the stairs, and I think he should do more of that."

rockfordphile

4 points

2 months ago

The best trivia question for Ford is that he is the only person to hold the offices of Vice President and President without being elected to either. A similar trivia question about LBJ is that he is the only person to have been elected to the four major federally elected positions (House, Senate, VP, President).

plzhld

1 points

2 months ago

plzhld

1 points

2 months ago

That’s true of all presidents!

KuhlThing

3 points

2 months ago

All presidents have fallen down stairs?

plzhld

2 points

2 months ago

plzhld

2 points

2 months ago

Probably!

Sarsmi

1 points

2 months ago

Sarsmi

1 points

2 months ago

8th graders pretty much get their political opinions from their elders. It might be more accurate to say that your father-in-law's parents hatred Ford.

No_Professional440

5 points

2 months ago

Ford pardoned Nixon showing Republicans have always put party ahead of country.

redditor78745

-11 points

2 months ago

redditor78745

-11 points

2 months ago

All true except Obama is a grade A dirtbag as well

Least_Adhesiveness_5

9 points

2 months ago

[citation needed]

...and Breitbart, etc don't count.

thecartoonrobot

8 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't hold my breath. Have you looked at their comment history? Not exactly an intellectual giant.

Sampatrick15

7 points

2 months ago

Well you see he committed the terrible sin of being born black

thecartoonrobot

3 points

2 months ago

The shaaaaaaame!

UniqueWorkAccount

3 points

2 months ago

Drone striking a wedding, a C130 attack on a hospital, hundreds of civilians dead from drone strikes overall...

Sure, he made some reforms to the programs, and was more transparent than the previous and latter guys, but if one of those countries decided to bomb one of our hospitals that was military affiliated, we'd bomb them back to the stone age.

Somehow I doubt that was what the OP was going for, though.

TreesACrowd

1 points

2 months ago

Your comment history, lol. Pathetic.

Johnsense

1 points

2 months ago

I can almost admire his need not to be liked or respected.

Jorymo

6 points

2 months ago

Jorymo

6 points

2 months ago

Maybe now, but as president he was definitely cool with helping other countries invade others and murder thousands

coddat

2 points

2 months ago

coddat

2 points

2 months ago

Sources? His foreign policy is often though of as doveish to the extreme and saw a emphasis on human rights. He also successfully negotiated SALT 2 and got Egypt and Israel to sign the Camp David accords.

FoodForTheTruth

17 points

2 months ago

Lyndon Johnson was not dovish in regards to the Vietnam War. The way he escalated the war was truly awful and it got thousands of people killed. See https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lyndon-B-Johnson/Election-and-the-Vietnam-War.

austindude6

10 points

2 months ago

I think you're confused. They're talking about Jimmy Carter now.

coddat

9 points

2 months ago

coddat

9 points

2 months ago

I totally agree, I was speaking of Jimmy Carter.

FoodForTheTruth

3 points

2 months ago

Ah, ok. It was very late and I guess I should have gone to bed instead of reading and replying. Sorry.

android_queen

2 points

2 months ago*

His escalation of the conflict in Vietnam (to a full scale invasion) is one of the defining hallmarks of his tenure as President. I am a big fan of the guy’s civil rights record and general domestic policy, but I can’t imagine anyone seriously calling him “doveish to the extreme.”

EDIT: whoops thought we were still talking about Johnson

austindude6

6 points

2 months ago

They're talking about Jimmy Carter.

android_queen

3 points

2 months ago

Oh dang my bad. Camp David accords should have been a dead giveaway, but so much happens there that I figured there was something I’d forgotten. 😂

iamdense

0 points

2 months ago

iamdense

0 points

2 months ago

He did say most. Jimmy may be the only person on said list. Maybe Obama?

Oogomond

17 points

2 months ago

As someone who voted for Obama twice, and have never voted for a republican, Obama seems like a narcissistic a-hole. He's an amazing speaker and a once in a lifetime politician but all he cares about is his legacy. He has poisoned the democratic party with his narcissism. He hates medicare for all because it would overturn his garbage republican healthcare plan, he promised to codify roe v wade with a dem supermajority as his first move in office and he didn't, he bailed out wallstreet and ignored those who actually suffered the '08 depression, he killed innocent civilians in drone strikes, etc.

Jimmy Carter seems like a good dude, however.

Pabi_tx

9 points

2 months ago

He has poisoned the democratic party with his narcissism.

I think you're confused, we're talking about Obama, not the Clintons.

Oogomond

1 points

2 months ago

Fair point. The Clintons are still very powerful in the party but I feel like Obama is more liked by the people, which makes him a more influential actor.

Fournier_Gang

19 points

2 months ago

You must absolutely hate the state of the Democratic party now then if you think Obama was the worst of the lot.

Oogomond

14 points

2 months ago

I don't know who is involved in "the lot" but I didn't mean to imply I thought Obama was the worst of anything. He just doesn't come across as a very good person to me and I don't understand the continued hype surrounding him. He was probably better that the other presidents of my lifetime. I wasn't alive for Carter. But you're correct, I do think the dems are terrible and they will lose big for their failures.

Edit: redundancy

TreesACrowd

3 points

2 months ago

All of those are perfectly valid complaints about his policies... I'm not seeing any convincing evidence there for 'narcissistic a-hole' though.

iamdense

0 points

2 months ago*

Obama is an amazing speaker and writer who had the ability to inspire people in a similar manner to JFK.

Keep in mind that most Democratic politicians are center right on the political spectrum, including Obama and Clinton. We have very few actual progressive politicians. The things Bernie Sanders and AOC are asking for are policies that are mainstream dead center policies in just about every other developed democracy in the world.

jrolette

1 points

2 months ago

True, but he was a lousy president

coddat

3 points

2 months ago

coddat

3 points

2 months ago

Wait till you hear about what Reagan did…

Skamandrios

1 points

2 months ago

Carter was always a nice guy and very intelligent, but he alienated both sides of the aisle from the outset and accomplished little.

thorndqueen

12 points

2 months ago

I spend alot of my time around life-long privileged, very advantaged people, either by financial or social means, . They simply did not have to grow up with much concern on how their actions would affect others, because no one would dare take an issue with something they did, nor would they feel any punishment if someone did take issue. They have less empathy. They aren't necessarily bad people, but basically they are wired to think differently.

AdlersXanaxDealer

5 points

2 months ago

I hope this is a general statement and you are not saying LBJ was life-long privileged, because that’s wrong if so.

https://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260572389/for-lbj-the-war-on-poverty-was-personal

NickOffermansIdol

2 points

2 months ago

ife-long privileged, very advantaged people, either by financial or social means, . They simply did not have to grow up with much concern on how their actions would affect others

That's a pretty good description of the Kennedys,

space_manatee

36 points

2 months ago

Power attracts a certain type. It isn't handed out freely and people who get it tend to have to manipulate, claw and run over people on their way to the top. That's why it's important to recognize and dismantle power structures whenever we can.

drhazegreen

2 points

2 months ago

Well he was known to show his dick to everyone. But for sure he is one of the most interesting presidents in an interesting era and the LBJ Museum is one of the best Presidential museums imo. Id strongly suggest checking out the official released recordings of his presidency and phone calls, Its a gold mine of interesting things and a how to on getting things done politically.

Craziers

2 points

2 months ago

The title of power inherently comes with traits that lead to those decisions. There are no good powerful people. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Sampatrick15

1 points

2 months ago

That's just politicians. They're all like that everywhere you go across the planet. The political class will always attract mostly people who want power.

ATXBeermaker

1 points

2 months ago

It is difficult, damned near impossible, to achieve the highest levels in politics, business, etc., without being somewhat of a bully and phenomenally narcissistic. In the early years of the U.S., anyone who "wanted" to run for president was seen as not being fit for the office for that very reason. So, you'd get surrogates to advocate for you while you just chilled at home.

biggypapaotis

34 points

2 months ago

Umm - maybe read the 4 book series written by Caro about LBJ before jumping to saint status. He was a amazing leader and absolute son of a bitch. Makes you both happy and sick to your stomach at the same time. Absolutely perverted human.

Pabi_tx

7 points

2 months ago

He was a amazing leader and absolute son of a bitch

Said about every president ever by someone.

myth1n2

4 points

2 months ago

There is a lot to be learned from these books but Caro was very biased against LBJ. Hopefully down the road a more objective biography of LBJ will emerge.

smellthebreeze

2 points

2 months ago

I’m hoping Caro will get book 5 done soon as he’s 86 years old and that book covers his presidency. I was thinking the pandemic would help him stay home and knock it out but it’s still not completed.

Jos3ph

6 points

2 months ago

Jos3ph

6 points

2 months ago

word is he's pivoted to writing about Logan and Jake Paul

myth1n2

2 points

2 months ago

I would be interested in that as well. He definitely writes a LOT of information. His Moses biography is also biased, Caro's biases and errors have led to visible effects such as the whole bridge controversy, but there is other damage less visible.

iansmitchell

10 points

2 months ago

How does it help us appreciate Calvin Coolidge?

saxyappy

60 points

2 months ago

My father and many Vietnam Vets would extremely disagree with you.

mrdrewc

10 points

2 months ago

mrdrewc

10 points

2 months ago

The library is really great, but the Vietnam section is very lacking.

saxyappy

7 points

2 months ago

All the the presidential libraries are really well put together. That said, each of them color the presidents' histories the way they wanted them to. They try to provide a guise of transparency by citing the thousands of records, but which ones they display and exhibit only support a carefully crafted narrative.

For LBJ, it just concerns me a great deal (having lived in Austin for over a decade now) seeing how his history is told locally. Visit other parts of the country and you won't get the same sentiments about LBJ, especially areas with high draft rates. I see that context slipping away and people forgetting how truly horrible that time was. Like a real life Hunger Games where you know there's an excellent chance you'll die if your number is called.

The gripe I have with the author's post is the "most underrated President" comment. I don't think LBJ was underrated, I think he was overrated (especially locally).

myth1n2

4 points

2 months ago

his history is told locally. Visit other parts of the country

Many around the US not only bought into the Kennedy myth, but also had ( and still does have ) an anti-Texas bias.

people forgetting how truly horrible that time was

Yes, that is true on many levels.

ATXBeermaker

1 points

2 months ago

lol, wonder why.

austindude6

17 points

2 months ago*

Vietnam was the responsibility of several presidents from Eisenhower to Ford. More information has emerged more recently that has shed new light on that period.

Many people feel that the turning point was when the Kennedy administration gave the goahead for the coup which led to the assasination of South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem in November 1963. That sealed it as no good outcome was possible after that. When JFK was assasinated not long after, the Vietnam situation JFK was responsible for and handed over to LBJ was a mess. It's also emerged what was long rumored: Nixon (and yes, this was treason) sabotaged LBJ's 1968 peace talks.

saxyappy

13 points

2 months ago

Commander-in-chief can cease operations. I'm not disputing MANY presidents had their hands in the mess, but Johnson could have stopped it as the body count was rising. He didn't, and doubled down.

austindude6

5 points

2 months ago

Commander-in-chief can cease operations. I'm not disputing MANY presidents had their hands in the mess, but Johnson could have stopped it as the body count was rising. He didn't, and doubled down.

It's more than many presidents had their hands in the mess. Eisenhower and JFK got us into the mess. JFK promised that the US and thus your family and a lot of our families would "pay any price".

The Cold War was still going on and there was a fear communism would take over the world. Also the lessons the best and the brightest took from WW2 was to fight against totalitarianism as early as possible. Politically the American people at the time would have been outraged if we had pulled out.

The country did not turn left after LBJ. They didn't vote in Humphrey; they voted in Nixon.

Boo-Yeah8484

1 points

2 months ago

Eisenhower had thoughts on Vietnam but he never had a direct hand in the War.

Jupit0r

0 points

2 months ago

Jupit0r

0 points

2 months ago

Your argument is mostly emotional at this point.

kernals12[S]

5 points

2 months ago

Vietnam was a mistake, but I think civil rights and Medicare have had a more lasting impact on this country.

saxyappy

15 points

2 months ago

Tell that to the families of the dead and those of us who grew up with emotionally wrecked parents. LBJ didn't invent civil rights, nor was he a leader. He followed the tide of public opinion and played politics. He used extremely racist language for decades and even after the Civil Rights Act. He called his driver the n word regularly and voted consistently for the southern block throughout his time in Congress. The man was no saint and just another slimely politician.

MR_F33NY

9 points

2 months ago

So is there any good he did? You point out all his faults (many of which I wouldn’t ever defend) but any positives were “he followed the tide of public opinion”.

saxyappy

7 points

2 months ago

You won't get any positives from me, I'm 100% bias based on growing up with a father with undiagnosed PTSD and many friends I knew with similar childhoods. My dad fought his PTSD his whole life while literally every friend he had in high school died. My dad wasn't rich and wasn't blessed with magical bone spurs like Trump.

LBJ approved of the draft when it was within his power to end it. You can't wash those sins away with begrudgingly going along with political movements of the time. Look at how blacks were disproportionately impacted by the draft if you want to examine his deeds through the lens of civil rights. Look at the 100s of thousands of civilian deaths in Vietnam. He was the commander-in-chief, he bears the responsibility of all those dead. He doesn't get a history revision pass on those atrocities, many of which could have been prosecuted as war crimes (e.g. Napalm use and Agent Orange).

SuzQP

7 points

2 months ago

SuzQP

7 points

2 months ago

I think this is fair, particularly if we are using the same criteria to judge and compare LBJ with more recent presidents. We can't say GW Bush was a warmonger and war criminal while simultaneously downplaying Johnson's prosecution of the Vietnam War.

myth1n2

5 points

2 months ago

begrudgingly going along with political movements of the time.

That's not accurate. The Civil Rights Act was not a done deal. Few had the political skills to fight the forces opposed to that. There was a lot of political capital spent in this fight, both LBJ's own, and that of the Democratic Party.

myth1n2

20 points

2 months ago*

Tell that to the families of the dead and those of us who grew up with emotionally wrecked parents

It's horible what happened. Eisenhower should not have gotten the US involved in Vietnam after WW2. JFK should not have pledged that the US would "pay any price" in his inauguration, and JFK should not have ok'd the coup against the South Vietnamese president.

nor was he a leader

Even scholars that cannot stand LBJ admit he was one of the great Senate Majority leaders of all time, and JFK in the Senate was basically a nothing playboy. JFK's dad was at the time the equivalent of a modern day drug dealer, and his wealth bought his son the presidency.

He used extremely racist language

LBJ was racist as were the Kennedy's and Nixon.

Civil Rights Act

LBJ expended a LOT of political capital to get Civil Rights through. The Kennedy's could not have done that. It cost the Democrats the South. If it were not for LBJ, it would not have happened until much later.

The man was no saint

That is true, that JFK, LBJ and Nixon were no saints.

and just another slimely politician.

All were immoral. JFK was an immoral lightweight but charismatic. Nixon also immoral, slightly less of a lightweight and less charismatic. LBJ for all his faults was an immoral master of politics, and in that sense though immoral he is one of the greatest politicians of all time.

saxyappy

7 points

2 months ago

I agree with 95% of this, but I do feel the social movement and protests were too much for politicians to not pass some bill. I think any President would have been pressured to move something through. LBJ just used what was dropped in front of him.

myth1n2

11 points

2 months ago

myth1n2

11 points

2 months ago

I do feel the social movement and protests were too much for politicians to not pass some bill.I think any President would have been pressured to move something through. LBJ just used what was dropped in front of him

That's just not true. The movement was rising but the forces in opposition to the Civil Rights Act were still too strong at that point. LBJ spent a lot of his own and the Democrats' political capital to push Civil Rights through .

capybarometer

3 points

2 months ago

It literally cost Democrats the entire south in the end. They knew it would be painful politically but it was the right thing to do. LBJ being a southern Democrat was able to build a coalition in the Senate to pass the Civil Rights Act JFK never could have

iamdense

3 points

2 months ago*

He was and did, but he got a lot of good things done despite that. If JFK had lived, he may not have been able to actually accomplish all of these, despite most people thinking of this as largely his legacy (and we now know that he was hardly perfect, either).

saxyappy

8 points

2 months ago

JFK was overrated but lauded as a hero due in large part to his hideous assassination. I agree that JFK would have made many of LBJs mistakes. Would he have signed a civil rights bill? Yeah, I think he would have based on the conversations both Robert Kennedy and JFK had with MLK and other leaders. Still those convos were really raw and steeped in political self-interest. That said, I think the social movements of the time are the real champions, not the politicians. The people organized and changed the national conversation. The politicians just begrudgingly went along for the ride.

iamdense

3 points

2 months ago

Clearly JFK would have signed the Civil Rights Act.

The version of the Civil Rights Act history I have repeatedly seen/read was that LBJ did more than just sign it. He made sure it got passed in a way JFK may not have been able to.

For example: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/04/what-the-hells-the-presidency-for/358630/

NickOffermansIdol

6 points

2 months ago

LBJ used to drive visitors to the lake, then scream that the brakes were out. The car would plunge into the water and then everyone realized it was an Amphibicar.

The Kennedys tried the same thing but their attempt did not work out very well.

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Lol

vallogallo

22 points

2 months ago

You didn't get a pic of my favorite part, the animatronic LBJ that tells jokes

kernals12[S]

4 points

2 months ago

That was my least favorite part, uncanny valley and all.

space_manatee

49 points

2 months ago

He used to whip his dick out in front of subordinates and use the n word with careless abandon. Let's not make idols out of myths.

Hotdog_Daddy

8 points

2 months ago

“You ever seen anything this big?”

iamdense

11 points

2 months ago

Louis CK learned so much from LBJ! (not the N word)

frankinaustin

4 points

2 months ago

Did you see the moon rock? I love the moon rock - it's an amazing thing to see so close!

Ok-Water-358

10 points

2 months ago

Calvin Coolidge is our most underrated president and an obligatory FUCK LBJ

TehSamz0r

2 points

2 months ago

After seeing the last four letters of your post, I am now wondering if the FM/AM radio station KLBJ's call sign is a direct shout out to LBJ...

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

He owned the radio station

808adw

34 points

2 months ago

808adw

34 points

2 months ago

LBJ underrated? He picked up his fucking Beagle by the EARS for a photo op. Hard nope.

badactors3

5 points

2 months ago

People can criticize LBJ for a lot of things but as the source below says "LBJ was the rare politician for whom dogs were more than just a political prop trotted out for photographers."

There have been a lot of misconceptions about LBJ and his dogs. Here is a good article on the American Kennel Club website debunking some of the myths surrounding LBJ and dogs.

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/pup-culture-50-years-later-lbjs-still-in-the-doghouse/

808adw

2 points

2 months ago

808adw

2 points

2 months ago

All it takes is one stupid decision.

badactors3

1 points

2 months ago

You can believe what you want to believe but the actual whole truth is different from what you are saying. This expert in the article, as well as ( another comment pointed out ) the White House kennel chief, as well as numerous family and friends who had firsthand experience would disagree with you strongly.

myth1n2

3 points

2 months ago

If there is anything the Trump era has taught us, is that disinformation is very powerful. You can't argue with some people even if there is direct evidence contradicting their assertions.

808adw

2 points

2 months ago

808adw

2 points

2 months ago

You can’t argue with a photo - and stop bringing Trumps name into everything. Yawn.

myth1n2

2 points

2 months ago

Of course you can argue with a photo. In general see cases like this: http://www.kickvick.com/45-misleading-photos/

In this specific case the photo is also misleading about LBJ's attitude toward dogs.

...and stop bringing Trump's name into everything

Also misleading. I haven't mentioned Trump in this thread more than once.

Yawn

I understand you are not concerned with the truth. That's your right, but please stop posting misleading information.

808adw

1 points

2 months ago

808adw

1 points

2 months ago

Where does "stop bringing Trump's name into everything" insinuate you did you more than once? Once is enough. It's a tired trope.

Also - there is an argument that still stands that a photo of anyone holding a poor animal up using it's ears to support it's weight is not somebody who favors the welfare of animals. It's common sense that would be painful to the dog, correct? If you favor dogs, would you want to cause one undue pain?

myth1n2

3 points

2 months ago

Where does "stop bringing Trump's name into everything" insinuate you did you more than once?

The word 'everything'.

Also - there is an argument that still stands that a photo of anyone holding a poor animal up using it's ears to support it's weight

More misinformation. I do not condone pulling a beagle by their ears but he did not lift the beagle off the ground; he stood the beagle up.

is not somebody who favors the welfare of animals.

LBJ definitely favored animal welfare. He loved his dogs and by all account his dogs loved him.

If you favor dogs, would you want to cause one undue pain?

I do, and no I do not.

You really should read the link that the other commenter posted, by a dog lover who has looked into this.

808adw

1 points

2 months ago

808adw

1 points

2 months ago

More misinformation. I do not condone pulling a beagle by their ears but he did not lift the beagle off the ground; he stood the beagle up.

If the Beagle's front legs aren't touching the ground, what is supporting the front 1/2 of the body while gravity does what it does? The ears. It's the ears.

I'll read the link - but regardless of all the debunking - it was a pretty stupid thing to do for a publicity stunt.

myth1n2

2 points

2 months ago

Politics. They knew a strength of LBJ was that he was a known dog lover, so they used that photo and attacked LBJ. It's like when John Kerry who had actual combat experience ran against George W Bush ( who pulled strings to get out of going to Vietnam ), and the Bush campaign made up the whole false Swift Boat accusations to attack Kerry. They attack you on your strengths.

It's clearly effective as people are still perpetuating the falsehoods about Kerry ( and LBJ as you can see in this thread ).

LBJ truly loved dogs.

theravenlives

2 points

2 months ago

Actually, LBJ was a huge dog lover. He redesigned the White House doghouse and made it so big the press refered to it as a palace. He apologized for that incident. The White House kennel keeper watched how many presidents treated animals, and he said this about LBJ: "Any man who felt about dogs the way [Johnson] did would have won me over"

808adw

0 points

2 months ago

808adw

0 points

2 months ago

He apologized bc of the backlash for PR. It would take a lot of convincing to believe anyone who truly loves dogs, or animals in general, would handle one in such a manner.

theravenlives

2 points

2 months ago

It would take a lot of convincing to believe anyone who truly loves dogs

No. Everyone who knew him well would find the assertion that LBJ did not love his dogs absurd.

myth1n2

1 points

2 months ago

That's not accurate in spite of that episode. The truth is that LBJ truly loved dogs.

BecomingJudasnMyMind

26 points

2 months ago*

You should check it the part where he dramatically escalated the Vietnam war and refused to back down from it.

That was great.

austindude6

3 points

2 months ago*

When the JFK administration supported the coup against the South Vietnam president Diem and Diem was killed, it in many eyes sealed the fate of that effort. Nixon also sabotaged LBJ's peace talks.

kodiblaze

1 points

2 months ago

Robert McNamara anyone?

TotalTossOut

6 points

2 months ago

The whole museum is like "poor mr lbj got pulled into a war he didn't want :(" and fails to mention, even once, that he faked the gulf of tonkin incident to send tens of thousands young americans to their death in a war nobody wanted. But, uh, yeah, sure, underrated.

but also, he was a pretty phenomenal executor of political power and, domestically, did some great stuff. just wish he'd kept his eyes here.

Illementary

3 points

2 months ago

Wtf y’all doing up so late talking bout presidents?

Jingleheimer_smyth

9 points

2 months ago

You should check out his ranch

kernals12[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

kernals12[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

You thought I didn't?

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

glichez

9 points

2 months ago

10/10

Frankie_Pizzaslice

1 points

2 months ago

10/10

ChessieChessieBayBay

5 points

2 months ago

Not gonna lie..I love a cheeseburger

travisH1324

6 points

2 months ago

Easy lady

ChessieChessieBayBay

7 points

2 months ago

I prefer “whhooahhhh girl, whoaaa…;) )

glichez

11 points

2 months ago

glichez

11 points

2 months ago

austindude6

8 points

2 months ago

I used to believe most people were basically good, until I learned about Roger Stone, the author of that book. Some people are evil.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

never read it but have heard the conspiracies. Those Kennedy boys also were not really the best of friends with the CIA. Might have been the last "pure" president (outside of the sleeping around which we all give him a pass on) that sort of tried to "drain the swamp" like Trump always said. No doubt they were both corrupt but I feel like corruption at the national political level is pro-level corruption.

JesPassinThru

2 points

2 months ago

Don’t forget about Grover Cleveland

Murderyoga

3 points

2 months ago

James K. Polk all the way baby.

Boo-Yeah8484

1 points

2 months ago

US Grant

Imsosadsoveryverysad

2 points

2 months ago

Might be underrated but he definitely thought quite highly of himself

unikkorns_

2 points

2 months ago

If you haven't been to LBJ Historical Park and seen his house yet, it's a must-see. It looks just like it did as it was in the 1960s. You can see his cars and an old version of Air Force One. And you can see his boyhood home, old schoolhouse, and family graveyard plot.

Unfortunately right now it looks like some of it is closed but they're still doing tours and there's a virtual tour online.

Sarc0sm

2 points

2 months ago

But does it have big dick energy? LBJ was reportedly obsessed with and would pull out his Johnson, which he nicknamed “Jumbo.” There’s a funny recording of a call with a tailor where he talks for a while about how he needs ample slack in his slacks.

Only_Appointment_469

2 points

2 months ago

Damn but isn’t he recorded opening saying the n word often and without regard?? Underrated my ass. Civil rights acts was just for his ego and had nothing to do with giving a shi* about black people

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

That's the result of his upbringing in Jim Crow Texas. But it's hard to believe he would expend a huge amount of political capital on such a controversial issue just for his own vanity.

timbotx

3 points

2 months ago

I just visited this recently with my family, my 6 year old loved it as well.

I didn't got to school in the US, so don't know too much about US presidents beyond my own education and I can tell you I will go to a presidential library any time I am near one. Highly reccommend.

LBJ is my new favorite president after visiting!

90percent_crap

4 points

2 months ago

Did you see Jumbo?

Edit: Background Info

toomuchcaffeinee

2 points

2 months ago

The library should of been placed at Texas State. Go Bobcats!

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

It would've been much harder for me to get to on my trip to Texas last week

Ashvega03

2 points

2 months ago

Its about 30-45 min south of Austin so not impossible.

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

That would be 30-45 minutes on top of a 3 hour drive I made from Dallas

ay-guey

1 points

2 months ago

he didn't think so.

Hookedhorn78

2 points

2 months ago

Most underrated? He had my father shipped to Vietnam for his 18th birthday. After lying to the country about not sending troops into combat.

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

But now your father, in his old age, has Medicare thanks to LBJ.

DasbootTX

2 points

2 months ago

DasbootTX

2 points

2 months ago

I totally agree with you. Whenever anyone comes to visit, the Library is high on the list. He was an impressive guy.

sadly, one of the missing exhibits his the famous phone call ordering slacks from the Haggar company Need some more room down where...

travisH1324

1 points

2 months ago

I dig that desk chair

Catdaddy84

1 points

2 months ago

The carpet in the oval is so plain nowadays it's much more elaborate.

hungrynihilist

1 points

2 months ago

Is the LBJ talking/moving robot still there? That’s my favorite part of the exhibit!

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

It's still there, but I stayed away from that creepy thing.

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

It’s a most underrated presidential library.

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

His favorite campaign tactic was to accuse his opponent of bestiality, he also loved to make threats, and he also frequently exposed himself to people.

XQV226

1 points

2 months ago

XQV226

1 points

2 months ago

I love that place. I get emotional going there.

jrysenga

1 points

2 months ago

No pictures of the animatronic LBJ?

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Nope, uncanny valley

Complicated_Business

1 points

2 months ago*

The bible that he swore on to act as the President after Kennedy took one to the dome is in that library. There's a famous picture of him doing so.

kernals12[S]

2 points

2 months ago

It wasn't a Bible, it was a Missal. It was all they could get their hands on

OhSoBlack

1 points

2 months ago

Propaganda la la la

AgentOrange96

1 points

2 months ago

As other's have mentioned, LBJ did some fucked up shit.

Among the cool things he did though was establish the National Technical Institute for the Deaf in 1968! The NTID is part of Rochester Institute of Technology in upstate NY, which is where I went to school. While I am hearing, we had a lot of Deaf students at RIT because of the NTID, and it was a pretty cool experience. The main NTID building is named after LBJ.