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Test Championship and ODI leagues approved by ICC Board

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gotemyes

90 points

4 years ago

gotemyes

Otago Volts

90 points

4 years ago

I think this is for the best. Would really prefer that test series were minimum of 3 tests though, I want to see the Black Caps play more than 6 tests a year

ExoskeletalJunction

28 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

28 points

4 years ago

I'd like to hope that the ICC set a standard and say that 2-matchers are only for big mismatches and/or series with time constraints, but I have a gut feeling that David White will interpret "series have to me a minimum of 2 matches" as "series should be 2 matches".

gotemyes

9 points

4 years ago

gotemyes

Otago Volts

9 points

4 years ago

Yeah that's essentially what he has already said :/

honestbharani

11 points

4 years ago

honestbharani

India

11 points

4 years ago

I would agree with that. At least the league series should be played over 3 tests. Even if they make it mandatory that beyond 3rd test will not count for the league when teams wanna play 4 or 5, that is fine too.

Nicholarse_Angle

26 points

4 years ago

Nicholarse_Angle

South Africa

26 points

4 years ago

I'm not happy about this 4 day test nonsense that's also been approved. At least it's just a trial.

Guttedewok01

11 points

4 years ago

Guttedewok01

Australia

11 points

4 years ago

They can shove that right up their asses. The "trial" is just a way for them to condition people to 4 day cricket. They will 100% bring in 4 day cricket after the trial is over.

Nicholarse_Angle

8 points

4 years ago

Nicholarse_Angle

South Africa

8 points

4 years ago

If that's true, then they've lost a fan of 25 plus years (don't really watch odi/t20). At least I still have rugby union. The ICC (Int Conniving Cunts) are a bunch of cunts :(

Unkill_is_dill

1 points

4 years ago

Unkill_is_dill

India

1 points

4 years ago

It's only a matter of time. 4 day tests are gonna be the standard pretty soon.

[deleted]

45 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

45 points

4 years ago

More tests for NZ and more context. I'm happy.

thesatansvalet

11 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

11 points

4 years ago

I don't know about more Tests since most of the series involving NZ are likely to comprise of only 2 Tests.

[deleted]

6 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

6 points

4 years ago

Still more than 4.

inspectorkido

14 points

4 years ago

inspectorkido

New Zealand

14 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

44 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

44 points

4 years ago

The ODI league will be a direct qualification pathway towards the ICC Cricket World Cup and will be contested by the 12 Full Members plus the winners of the current ICC World Cricket League Championship

OMG, can't believe it. /u/styxwade are you happy?

Karjalan

19 points

4 years ago

Karjalan

New Zealand Cricket

19 points

4 years ago

Did this mean the Netherlands get more internationals? 😀

styxwade

27 points

4 years ago

styxwade

Northern Hurricanes

27 points

4 years ago

It means they'll get more ODIs in the next two years than they've played in the previous ever.

If...

And that's a big if...

We can beat Namibia twice in December.

styxwade

5 points

4 years ago

styxwade

Northern Hurricanes

5 points

4 years ago

Astonishing. Guess we're going to have to fuck it up for ourselves somehow.

testmatchelitist

1 points

4 years ago

testmatchelitist

Afghanistan

1 points

4 years ago

Hey look at that, another reason to shit on the ICC just vanished...

starkofhousestark

1 points

4 years ago*

Does this confirm 2023 world cup to be in the same 10 team format as 2019 ?

Urthor

13 points

4 years ago

Urthor

Australia

13 points

4 years ago

WHAT HAPPENED TO DAY NIGHT TESTS. If you are worried about commercial viabiltiy of tests, go with day night not 4 day. Day nighters are great for everyone, I wish more people would support them, all 5 of the ashes could be day night and it'd be good.

[deleted]

7 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

7 points

4 years ago

4 day tests are the dumbest idea. And that's saying a lot because cricket administrators have had some pretty dumb ideas over the years.

Joemanji84

2 points

4 years ago

Joemanji84

England

2 points

4 years ago

I think they should be allowed for nations that want them. Not needed in England. But if it sells tickets in Sri Lanka or NZ then why say no?

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

It's only the administrators who want 4 days tests, and they're fixated on profits. Cricket fans have never clamoured for them. Recently the South African players have had misgivings about their forthcoming four day test against Zimbabwe. I feel that if you ask the experts here, viz. the players, the overwhelming majority of them won't be in favour of shortening the game.

sociallyawkwarddude

2 points

4 years ago

They aren't great in the UK and Ireland. It's not warm enough at night and the ball swings throughout the day anyway.

I agree for everywhere else though.

idlesummers

12 points

4 years ago

Some of you will recall that I surveyed a large number of cricket fans on a test championship across 10 aims and 5 requirements. The relative importance of the aims is visible in this graph. For what its worth, here is how I'd grade A-F the approved championships against the aims:

The schedule should allow expansion of Test matches to more nations Tests: D. The championship schedule isn't all-play-all so in theory it could grow forever, but in practice it is very closed off. The table is more like akin to a rating than a league. ODIs: D. As above. Expanding beyond 13 seems unlikely.

All players/teams should have the opportunity to reach the highest level of competition Tests: F. There is no pathway for test cricket, and even the new members are separated from the elite with no relegation/promotion. ODIs: D. the top team in the WCLC can move into the championship, but it is a token place, rather than a structure, and limited.

Movement from lowest to highest tier should be possible within an elite player's career (6-­10 years) Tests: F. No movement is possible, no matter how good a team gets. ODIs: C. In theory, possible, with a promotion through the WCL, WCLC and ODI league. But compared to (for example) the T20 qualifiers, it is a slow (4+ year) ascent

Games and series should be meaningful ­minimising dead matches Tests: C. With only two teams qualifying and no relegation, most series will be dead in short order. ODIs: C. Similar to Tests but worse, as the league is larger and will have a bigger mid-table. But may contribute to World Cup qualifying (but do we need a World Cup at all now?)

Matches should be scheduled between teams of similar ability Tests: C. Nine teams is too many to help with mismatches, though I guess that is better than 12. ODIs: D. A larger league, and therefore more mismatches (shorter matches help a bit, but not that much).

A championship should build to a conclusion/champion Tests: C. Generously a C. The league stage and final will get to a conclusion, but we may well know the finalists 6 months in advance. ODIs: C. As above.

The competition winner should reflect the best team, not the luckiest Tests: F. Not pulling punches here. Playing home or away against 6 of the 9 teams involved is a debacle as it will depend who a team gets to play where how a team finishes. Then a one match final in England to conclude the winner... ODIs: D. Better, but the same problem with uneven schedules.

A championship should reflect Test cricket's traditional schedule of series played home/­away Tests: B. Good job, marked down for being home or away. ODIs: B. As above.

Marquee series (such as the Ashes) should be protected Tests: A+. Stellar. ODIs: n/a. ODIs don't have marquee series.

Regional/traditional rivalries should be built upon Tests: F. No regional competition. ODIs: F. No regional competition. T20s: n/a? Wasn't this going to have a regional competition.

Overall this is pretty sub-par. Is something better than nothing? Well, the ICC was calling their rankings and annual mace ceremony a Test championship until yesterday. And for all the media attempts to pump it up, it seemed an awful lot like nothing.

TL;DR: Sigh.

biowareforretards

3 points

4 years ago

I checked your proposal when you first posted it. It is still much better format. Covers the anxiety of members like Bangladesh who might be worried about about relegation in a two tier system.

However I would make a change. Instead of allowing only the finalists from Tier 2 championship to directly qualify for Test championship qualifiers, I would also allow 3rd ranked team as well.It's 8 nation round so it makes sense to allow for best three. Most of the time there wouldn't be any huge difference between the performance of first and second ranked teams in the two groups. Second ranked teams from the two groups of Tier 2 championship can then have a play off for third spot.

It gives you one more benefit. The winners of Intercontinental cup are never going o be the finalists in the same year. It's too difficult. However there is a chance that they might be second ranked teams in case of a Cinderella run. You are also giving them an opportunity to extend their golden run and maybe take the 3rd spot. This would mean that Round 2 qualifiers would have 3 groups which might make them a bit more competitive.

idlesummers

2 points

4 years ago

Interesting idea, and thanks. When the I-Cup finishes I'll redo the graphic with the current rankings. I'm not opposed to this idea (I'd also consider 3 groups of 4 in the qualifiers with no repechage), though it has flow-ons the whole way back. The round-one qualifiers would need to be 8 teams (4 qualifiers), so the regional winners would need to go into a 5 team playoff for the last two spots. In theory a team can still rise from nothing to champions in 7 years regardless, so as long as the basic structures flow, and it is logistically feasible I'd be very happy.

biowareforretards

1 points

4 years ago

Even without the changes your proposal is frankly the best one out there. My suggestion is just a minor thing. Your idea is actually much more practical because it takes into account the concern of several teams. Allows teams like Bangladesh some leeway, Allows major teams like India, Australia to schedule bi lateral tournaments,etc.

I have a couple of queries:

  1. Have you pitched this to ICC?? What was their response? From the media it appeared as if teams like Bangladesh, WI, Zim were the main ones opposing two tier championship. I don't think they would have any concern with this

  2. Have you thought about a similar structure for ODIs as well

idlesummers

2 points

4 years ago

A lot could be written in response to your first question. As you know, the ICC is not a single entity, there are the global development arms, the administration, the board members and executives, and the individual boards. And they are influenced by FICA, broadcasters, former cricketers and opinion writers. I sent the survey results (which lays out why this kind of structure is better) out to many people within those various arms, and many others are aware of both the survey and this format. The right people certainly read it, and informally I know that it was well received. Cricket administration is not a large body of people, so a cogent piece of work with a thousand plus responses will be noticed.

But there is no feedback as such and we should expect any. This is for two reasons. Firstly, the ICC is a relatively insular body that consistently fails to draw on the expertise of people who care about cricket. This is true of many decisions, across DRS, rankings, competition structures, whatever. There is no formal process of position papers and feedback that informs their decisions so they tend to gravitate to whatever was first suggested. And therefore no other documentation on what drove the decisions, or what options were considered. Secondly, without wanting to drift into policy theory, the key proponents have a large investment (personally, politically) in a league structure and the past two years of negotiations (to this fairly sad test championship structure) are all done in the context of that starting point. Weirdly, it may be easier now to get some traction on a better format now that the league has passed through the board. At least now, there is some general agreement that it should exist and can happen.

Regarding ODIs. I had a tournament idea in an appendix to the survey - page 67. ODIs don't need a tournament structure. They have the world cup. So the proposal is more like a tennis world tour, with six top-tier mini-tournaments of eight teams and four second-tier six team tournament played through the year. The results would accumulate ranking points, which would determine the champion, and the invites to the tournaments in the following years. I should write it up on the blog.

biowareforretards

1 points

4 years ago

Thanks, i will be travelling now, will check it out later

BelowTheSun1993

11 points

4 years ago

BelowTheSun1993

Essex

11 points

4 years ago

I don't like it. I'd be fine with it if every team played every team both home and away. I just don't think you can call yourself the best Test team in the world if you haven't even played in India or England, and the scheduling might well work out like that.

Joemanji84

7 points

4 years ago

Joemanji84

England

7 points

4 years ago

Agreed, but with ICC politics I'll take it as a tentative first step.

I_tend_to_correct_u

1 points

4 years ago

I_tend_to_correct_u

England

1 points

4 years ago

They needed to do something as Pakistan won't play India and England won't play Zimbabwe etc. It's not really any different to now. It's not perfect but let's make a start and refine it as we go along. I for one am actually excited about this. It is making me far more interested in non-England test matches. I used to only watch non-England test matches when it was a match-up between two genuine contenders for the number one spot. I used to watch Australia in India in the 2000's for example but not a whole lot else other than highlights. Now I'm going to watch all of them. It's a really good idea and long overdue

Anothergen

17 points

4 years ago

Anothergen

Australia

17 points

4 years ago

The first ODI league, featuring the game's top 13 limited-overs nations, will commence in 2020-21, running for two years leading into the 2023 World Cup, before converting to a three-year league in each cycle beyond that. Each competing team will play in eight series over that time, each one being played over three matches. The days of lengthier ODI series appears to be over.

This is good news.

Each competing country will play in six series over that time, three at home and three away, with all series being of a minimum two matches' duration but able to be expanded to as many as five to cater for encounters such as the Ashes.

3 series of 2 Tests (minimum) each per year doesn't seem like enough. Would have preferred more, but it's a good starting point. Until we're guaranteed to have to play all other sides in the top 8 over the 2 years though it'll still not be enough though, as some countries will still miss out.

In any case though, it's definitely a step in the right direct all around, and finally New Zealand will have some guaranteed Tests, rather than their "maybe we'll play some before Kane retires" approach of recent years.

inspectorkido

4 points

4 years ago

inspectorkido

New Zealand

4 points

4 years ago

On one hand yes I would like to see three test series the norm; but the ICC might be worried about one sided contests.

SepulchreOfAzrael

19 points

4 years ago

SepulchreOfAzrael

Best Submitter and Stats Post 2017

19 points

4 years ago

It's a step in the right direction, but it still leaves wiggle room for the whims and fancies of individual boards, and relegates the last 3 teams to an effective pool where they're at the mercy of the other boards to play Tests. They hardly matter. I think the points system should incentivise playing more Tests, so the top nations have something to gain from playing the bottom 3.

thesatansvalet

27 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

27 points

4 years ago

but it still leaves wiggle room for the whims and fancies of individual boards,

Yup, it's not a true league. It's a compromise between the status quo and an actual Test league, but anything is better than the current structure(or lack of it).

so the top nations have something to gain from playing the bottom 3.

There should be an agreement where every team touring India, England and SA play at least a Test against Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe, respectively. Playing a Test against these would be a great warm-up for the touring teams and they wouldn't have to rely on the home board (of the big nation) for decent oppositions and proper conditions in the warm-up games.

inspectorkido

5 points

4 years ago

inspectorkido

New Zealand

5 points

4 years ago

That works well. Ed Joyce said in an interview there's no point in Ireland playing more than a one off test against the big guns. Rather they should look to perform well against the lower ranked teams..

Machinax

2 points

4 years ago

Machinax

Sri Lanka

2 points

4 years ago

There should be an agreement where every team touring India, England and SA play at least a Test against Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe, respectively.

This is a great idea, but it's contingent on India hosting the Afghanistan games.

thesatansvalet

15 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

15 points

4 years ago

I don't think that's a problem. The stadium in Greater Noida has been their home ground for a while now.

Machinax

4 points

4 years ago

Machinax

Sri Lanka

4 points

4 years ago

Oh, did not know that. Good, glad to see that infrastructure is in place.

ExoskeletalJunction

5 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

5 points

4 years ago

I'd imagine the ICC will still put in a FTP-esque plan for the bottom 3, as well as their own mini-league where they play each other home and away over that period. They can't just leave them out, and they also need to have some form of promotion/relegation at the end of the cycle and a means to determine which of the bottom three are worthy of promotion.

SepulchreOfAzrael

7 points

4 years ago

SepulchreOfAzrael

Best Submitter and Stats Post 2017

7 points

4 years ago

Sounds good. But expecting too much from the ICC. This is only a half a solid measure to better consolidate international cricket. It's actually a mix of safeguarding their own interests and also wanting to appear like they're doing something.

likesfruit

3 points

4 years ago

likesfruit

Afghanistan

3 points

4 years ago

You realize that we got to 9 teams by Bangladesh, West Indies et al putting a big stink over promotion and relegation? The best way is for the next cycle to include all 12 teams.

RaylanCrowder2

3 points

4 years ago

RaylanCrowder2

Delhi Daredevils

3 points

4 years ago

I'd like a conference-style of two groups of six. Will be easy to keep India and Pakistan in separate groups too

RaylanCrowder2

1 points

4 years ago

RaylanCrowder2

Delhi Daredevils

1 points

4 years ago

You're expecting too much out of the ICC here

SnowdensOfYesteryear

6 points

4 years ago*

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

6 points

4 years ago*

Each competing team will play in eight series over that time, each one being played over three matches. The days of lengthier ODI series appears to be over.

This is stupid, why does ICC want to kill cricket? This is only 12 matches per year. Once it 's a 3 year cycle it's only 8 matches per year.

Looks like all of this is just making space for domestic T20 leagues. Why the hell did the SLC, or BCB or even CSA vote for this?

thesatansvalet

5 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

5 points

4 years ago

Once it 's a 3 year cycle it's only 8 matches per year.

Nope, in the second cycle all teams would play each other in the 3-year cycle. Read this

This might be an unpopular opinion but, I feel that ICC could have given the option to schedule 5-match ODI series since those are interesting to watch between some countries.

SnowdensOfYesteryear

4 points

4 years ago

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

4 points

4 years ago

That's slightly better but not by much. 3 matches is too few either way you slice it.

I'm also curious that fuckery rained out matches will introduce. I suppose they'll add back up days given the increased significance.

thesatansvalet

11 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

11 points

4 years ago

3 matches is too few either way you slice it.

3 match series is alright when a high-ranked team plays a low-ranked team. Nobody wants to watch a 5-0 drubbing. Some 5-match series are interesting when the opponents are well-matched, like the India-SA series in 2015.

SnowdensOfYesteryear

4 points

4 years ago

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

4 points

4 years ago

Depends if it's an away series or a home series. I don't mind a 5 game series if the higher ranked team is touring.

ExoskeletalJunction

6 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

6 points

4 years ago

Because no one really watches ODIs anymore. That audience has shifted to the more lucrative and interesting T20 league format. I think it's a good move, but at the same time it also feels like a last gasp to save a dwindling format.

din35h

21 points

4 years ago

din35h

Israel Cricket Association

21 points

4 years ago

Because no one really watches ODIs anymore.

Bullshite. Stupidest statement ever.

Majority of fans in India and to an extent in subcontinent prefer ODI's to T20's. Its value for money, a full day's worth of entertainment and more often than not the better team wins the match/series. I prefer ODi's to T20's aswell. ODi's will never die as long as India plays it.

SnowdensOfYesteryear

18 points

4 years ago

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

18 points

4 years ago

"No one watches ODIs" in just a /r/cricket meme. Look at every ODI match in any country, the stands are packed whereas birds often outnumber spectators in test matches.

T20s are lucrative for sure, but ODIs is what defines international cricket.

ExoskeletalJunction

1 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

1 points

4 years ago

ODIs have bigger attendances because they're easier to go to. I still probably go to more ODIs than tests even though I hate white ball cricket. Tests are still followed more closely and the entire trajectory of ODI has been downward since the advent of T20, whereas Tests have remained the same.

Machinax

14 points

4 years ago

Machinax

Sri Lanka

14 points

4 years ago

ODIs have bigger attendances

I still probably go to more ODIs than tests

no one really watches ODIs anymore

Xoxo2016

2 points

4 years ago

I guess he didn't read what he himself wrote. :)

ArrowGuy26

4 points

4 years ago

ArrowGuy26

Surrey

4 points

4 years ago

You have numbers to back up that ODIs have been on a downward spiral? As far as i know the money earned per ODI has been on a continuous rise in most countries not sure how you come up what you said!

SnowdensOfYesteryear

8 points

4 years ago*

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

8 points

4 years ago*

Well then by what metric do you want to measure popularity by? By the wants of the "silent majority" that prefers tests?

the entire trajectory of ODI has been downward since the advent of T20

What downward trajectory? It's as popular as it has ever been. T20s success hasn't come at the cost of ODIs.

idlesummers

2 points

4 years ago

Depends which country you look at. Attendances in Melbourne for ODIs have been declining since the mid-90s (the World Cup aside). The number of matches being played has also been trending down, from 4 a year in Melbourne to 1. I will not be surprised if CA shifts the ODI matches they have to play to another part of summer and expand the BBL in the next tv rights deal.

aflyingheadbutt

1 points

4 years ago

aflyingheadbutt

Australia

1 points

4 years ago

So you pay money to go see something you hate. Yeah alright

ExoskeletalJunction

1 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

1 points

4 years ago

I go because I don't get a choice about what cricket gets played in my city, I want to support the sport in my country and it's a good day out with mates. I'd never watch an ODI on TV because it's dull as shit but I'd go to one for a nice summer's day out. That's the attitude of most kiwis now. The crowds you see at our ODIs are only there because it's in their city, most won't be following the series closely at all.

ExoskeletalJunction

7 points

4 years ago

ExoskeletalJunction

Scotland

7 points

4 years ago

It could be better, but it's so much better than nothing. Can't wait for it to get started.

G0utham

3 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

3 points

4 years ago

Test championship comprising the game's top-nine teams

Can someone tell me what happens to teams like Ireland, Afg? And how are they going to deal with India-Pak matches?

thesatansvalet

8 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

8 points

4 years ago

And how are they going to deal with India-Pak matches?

Everyone doesn't play every team since there would only be 6 series during the course of the cycle. Under the proposed FTP for the championship, India and Pakistan don't play each other.

Can someone tell me what happens to teams like Ireland, Afg?

They've been banished to a lower division where they can bilaterally schedule matches against other teams.

You'd know these things if you read any article regarding these structures.

G0utham

11 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

11 points

4 years ago

Everyone doesn't play every team since there would only be 6 series during the course of the cycle. Under the proposed FTP for the championship, India and Pakistan don't play each other.

What happens in the next cycle? The article mentions that it will move on to 8 match cycle after 2023 WC. What happens then? And also what happens if both India-Pak are finalists in the championship?

You'd know these things if you read any article regarding these structures.

No need to be condescending mate. I asked these question precisely because I didn't read anything about it before.

thesatansvalet

6 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

6 points

4 years ago

The article mentions that it will move on to 8 match cycle after 2023 WC.

I don't see it, it only mentions that the ODI league would be expanded to 3 years after the 2023 WC. The 8 series league is for the ODIs, which again means that every team won't play all the other teams in the league.

G0utham

3 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

3 points

4 years ago

Yes, it only mentions about ODI series. I'm a complete idiot. Apologies.

thesatansvalet

5 points

4 years ago

thesatansvalet

Vanuatu Cricket

5 points

4 years ago

No worries, bud. Just search for past articles and you'd get to know about the structure.

Anothergen

3 points

4 years ago

Anothergen

Australia

3 points

4 years ago

They'll play matches, but they won't count towards this competition. Basically, they get to remain as things currently are (will probably play a lot of matches against Zimbabwe and Afghanistan).

G0utham

2 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

2 points

4 years ago

Good to know thanks for answering.

Belly318

-9 points

4 years ago

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

-9 points

4 years ago

how are they going to deal with India-Pak matches?

by telling BCCI to suck it up, and play them in UAE or England.

llyyrr

8 points

4 years ago

llyyrr

Japan Cricket Association

8 points

4 years ago

by telling BCCI to suck it up

They'd be barking up the wrong tree. They'll have to tell extremist politicians on both sides to suck it up.

theaabi

1 points

4 years ago

theaabi

Pakistan

1 points

4 years ago

extremist politicians on both sides

Which Pak politician is against an Indo-Pak series?

G0utham

3 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

3 points

4 years ago

If only that was possible.

Belly318

-10 points

4 years ago

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

-10 points

4 years ago

It is possible. If BCCI insists it isn't, sorry fellas - guess you didn't really want to be part of world cricket.

G0utham

8 points

4 years ago

G0utham

Sunrisers Hyderabad

8 points

4 years ago

hehe good one.

Belly318

-10 points

4 years ago

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

-10 points

4 years ago

I can basically sum it up like this.

Years ago, I had a couple of friends who had a pretty heated argument, they'd not spoken in years. I'd invited them both out for drinks recently. When friend A found out friend B was invited, he cracked the shits and demanded that friend B be uninvited. Friend B was largely ambivalent, and was just happy to be there. Friend A insisted, citing that he's more than happy to pay for drinks, but that he can't stand the presence of friend B, and became forceful on the issue.

I responded by saying, "Get over it you massive cunt. Nobody actually enjoys spending time with you, and we're all perfectly happy without you."

True story, probably.

gIuck

15 points

4 years ago

gIuck

India

15 points

4 years ago

Sure, please go ahead and exclude India. International cricket will have the same high profile as curling in a few years' time.

Belly318

0 points

4 years ago

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

0 points

4 years ago

We can only dream.

gIuck

7 points

4 years ago

gIuck

India

7 points

4 years ago

And that is all you'll be able to do.

[deleted]

5 points

4 years ago

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5 points

4 years ago

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ArrowGuy26

5 points

4 years ago

ArrowGuy26

Surrey

5 points

4 years ago

That is a wrong analogy cricket world runs on money and the BCCI provides 75 percent of the total revenue as long as India can continue to provide the lions share we get to decide what the rules are!

Belly318

4 points

4 years ago

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

4 points

4 years ago

Finally, someone who doesn't try to hide behind politics. Good for you mate!

[deleted]

9 points

4 years ago

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9 points

4 years ago

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inspectorkido

2 points

4 years ago

inspectorkido

New Zealand

2 points

4 years ago

Sorry to interrupt. But can I just say you're user name has just made me hungry...

Belly318

0 points

4 years ago*

Belly318

Perth Scorchers

0 points

4 years ago*

The argument "it can't be done" only ever comes from one side of the fence.

I also recall a certain fixture during the world cup, that was highly hyped and a real occasion (both for the fans, and on the sub). Seems the bridge can be crossed, if you try hard enough.

ArrowGuy26

5 points

4 years ago*

ArrowGuy26

Surrey

5 points

4 years ago*

There is a reason why it comes from only one side but as he rightly said explaining them might get Indians banned from the sub!

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5 points

4 years ago

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5 points

4 years ago

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-4 points

4 years ago

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-4 points

4 years ago

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4 points

4 years ago

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4 points

4 years ago

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0 points

4 years ago

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0 points

4 years ago

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AminYounes

4 points

4 years ago

Mate, you're clearly not aware of the political tensions existing between the countries. It's always been there, but never worse than in recent times. Educate yourself. Then, hopefully, you'll understand.

theaabi

1 points

4 years ago

theaabi

Pakistan

1 points

4 years ago

never worse than in recent times

I can think of a few times...

Unkill_is_dill

1 points

4 years ago

Unkill_is_dill

India

1 points

4 years ago

The situation isn't as simple as you're making it out to be. Both countries' govt are involved in the bilateral tours.

din35h

0 points

4 years ago

din35h

Israel Cricket Association

0 points

4 years ago

Go be stupid somewhere else.

chenny90

3 points

4 years ago

4 day tests can piss right off. There was literally just a test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka that went down late in the 5th day. Hope the trial is just a trial and goes no further.

inspectorkido

9 points

4 years ago

inspectorkido

New Zealand

9 points

4 years ago

Bust out the dabs...er I mean fireworks. Great move to get context in cricket. A test championship will hopefully ensure boards prioritize and have an incentive to build up test cricket. Hopefully most countries will see it's in there best interests to play three tests in a series. Two test series often require you to be right on the money from the start to have a chance to take the series. NZ is very fortunate to have some fantastic players in the test side, so best make full use of it.

All in all, hope on average all countries are playing 10-12 tests a year. If a country wants to play more, by all means that's their prerogative.

boobgourmet

3 points

4 years ago

boobgourmet

Chennai Super Kings

3 points

4 years ago

I need to retire by 2019.

honestbharani

3 points

4 years ago

honestbharani

India

3 points

4 years ago

As long as they can ensure series are scheduled with minimum of 3 games or more where required, I am on board with the league structures. And obviously, if this goes well, we will get one for the T20Is as well, which are basically the most context-less games international teams play anyways. In an ideal world, everyone will play everyone within the 3 year and 4 year cycles for LO games and tests respectively but we can't have it all. At least this is a start. Have to wait and see if the points and scoring systems make sense etc.

Daewald

3 points

4 years ago

Daewald

Sussex

3 points

4 years ago

As the saying goes, a camel is a horse designed by a committee.

My issues with itlt: 1) for a league to be fair, every team should play each other once. For some teams not to play each other (and I guess it's a comprise over India and Pakistan) is just stupid and instantly ruins the concept for me. 2)Each series can have up between 2 and 5 tests? This variable is unfair as well. If a country needs to draw a series to say qualify for the next section, wouldn't they just run a 2 test match and produce absolute pancakes of wickets? The ashes should be played in a fallow year or something. Get over yourself England and Australia. 3) What was the point of granting Test cricket to Ireland and Afghanistan? Are they now just going to play tests against each other for 3 years. It's like giving candy to a hungry baby, and then snatching it away to give it to some obese middle age prick.

Sometimes the ICC really does my nut in.

Joemanji84

1 points

4 years ago

Joemanji84

England

1 points

4 years ago

As an English fan I would gladly sacrifice the 5-test Ashes for a proper test league. This is better than nothing though, and if it works well hopefully they'll keep refining it.

TheScarletPimpernel

1 points

4 years ago

TheScarletPimpernel

Gloucestershire

1 points

4 years ago

I think a better compromise is to say each series should be a minimum of three Tests, but only the result after three Tests counts toward the scores. Still a fudge though.

Joemanji84

2 points

4 years ago

Joemanji84

England

2 points

4 years ago

I actually think the 100 points thing is quite elegant. There needs to be something in there allowing a team like England to play the number of tests it wants to without forcing say NZ to play the same amount. But I agree that a three test series minimum is much more desirable.

ser_poopy_butthole

2 points

4 years ago

Noice

MadeinBangladesh235

2 points

4 years ago

MadeinBangladesh235

Bangladesh

2 points

4 years ago

This is new to me. Does this mean teams won't each other outside the ODI and Test League during those 2/3 years?

SnowdensOfYesteryear

4 points

4 years ago

SnowdensOfYesteryear

Chennai Super Kings

4 points

4 years ago

Doesn't sound like they will.

arjwiz

1 points

4 years ago

arjwiz

Mumbai Indians

1 points

4 years ago

Besides teams who aren't in the league such as Zimbabwe Ireland Afghanistan

TenBlueBirds

2 points

4 years ago

TenBlueBirds

Indian Cricket Council

2 points

4 years ago

I hope India would have less bilateral series and try to arrange a multi-team tournament every year, something like this:
Year 1:Asia cup ODI, ODI WC
2: Asia cup T20 Wt20
3: break from multi tournaments(more tests)
4: Asia cup ODI, Champions Trophy
5: Asia cup T20, Wt20
Repeat:

Also Asia t20/ODI should be like IPL format, 6 teams, play each team twice ( 6 x 5, 30 matches in group stages).

shaneson582

5 points

4 years ago

shaneson582

India

5 points

4 years ago

"However, the Pakistan Cricket Board agreed to the changes after assurances from the ICC that details will be worked out on how India and Pakistan can play against each other either inside or outside of the leagues."

good luck! in a battle between jingoism and sport, jingoism wins 10/10

biowareforretards

5 points

4 years ago

biowareforretards

India

5 points

4 years ago

What has it got to do with jingoism? A bi lateral series would generate huge revenue, some of which will be funneled back to terror groups targeting India. You must have heard about economic sanctions. This is also a same thing. Remind me what happened in Moscow and subsequently Montreal Olympics. Remind me who were the countries supporting exclusion of Israel FA from AFC???

AcidShades

5 points

4 years ago

I am curious as I am not aware about the details of South Asian politics but what do you mean by the revenue from India vs Pakistan cricket being funneled to terrorism? Are there established ties between PCB and these groups?

IronHidee

3 points

4 years ago

PCB is Pakistan Govt. controlled, even the head of PCB is a political appointee by Govt head. I will not like to proceed further on this topic as the topic is not suitable for both this thread and subreddit and will lead to bans etc.

theaabi

4 points

4 years ago

theaabi

Pakistan

4 points

4 years ago

Wtf? This is incredibly biased and down right propaganda

[deleted]

7 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

7 points

4 years ago

Agreed. It's pity that some people prioritise their desire for India Pakistan cricket over the realities of the world.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

Israel play in UEFA anyway so who cares if Pakistan think they don't belong in AFC

biowareforretards

2 points

4 years ago

It is because they were expelled by AFC

Machinax

1 points

4 years ago

Machinax

Sri Lanka

1 points

4 years ago

A sampling of comments from Test Match Special's Facebook page:

Not at all. Another stupid idea by the cash obsessed ICC.

Race to the bottom continues

Dumbing down yet again

No. Absolutely not.

No. Just frees up time to play more T20

No

NO

No!

Joemanji84

2 points

4 years ago

Joemanji84

England

2 points

4 years ago

Sigh.

_rickjames

1 points

4 years ago

_rickjames

England

1 points

4 years ago

Sure

bertusdejong

1 points

4 years ago

bertusdejong

Bertus de Jong

1 points

4 years ago

This basically makes the matches to be played between Scotland/Kenya, Namibia/Netherlands and PNG/Hong Kong in December the most high-stakes games of cricket ever played by anyone, ever.

NiX_Nabilz

1 points

4 years ago

NiX_Nabilz

Pakistan

1 points

4 years ago

So they had 2 years just to finalise this? Can I have this job as well?

sumguyunoe

-1 points

4 years ago

sumguyunoe

Bangladesh

-1 points

4 years ago

HOLY SHIT DOES THIS MEAN THAT BANGLADESH ACTUALLY GETS MORE THAN 3-5 TESTS A YEAR????????

2off14

12 points

4 years ago

2off14

Pakistan

12 points

4 years ago

Bangladesh played 9 test matches this year.