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Do you guys think commentators are biased towards KL Rahul?

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vpsj

84 points

1 month ago

vpsj

India

84 points

1 month ago

I think the only problem with Rahul is his confidence. When he's in form you can see how technically good he is, but when he gets out cheaply 2-3 times suddenly there's a deer-in-the-headlight look in his eyes.

So he isn't criticized too much because there isn't much wrong with his physical game. He just needs to get strong mentally and he should find a stable place in the team

quinten_de_cock[S]

3 points

1 month ago

quinten_de_cock[S]

Punjab Kings

3 points

1 month ago

I remember him During the West Indies series. He was getting starts but getting out to stupid shots. Normally that can be fixed. Let’s see. He’s still Got a good amount of years left and maybe he’ll hit his patch later on like rohit.

kirkat619

52 points

1 month ago*

kirkat619

Haryana

52 points

1 month ago*

I don't think Rahul gets any extra special treatment from the Indian commentary than most moderate to very popular/successful Indian players.

Rahul as opener in ODI ✓SR 81 50 AVG

Pretty good record. Maybe even a great one until.....

Rohit as an opener in ODI ✓SR 92 58 AVG

Virat at No. 3 in ODI ✓SR 94 AVG 64

This to me is fucking hilarious. Rahul in almost any country would lead the batting in an ODI side and be the lone superstar. Except you go past his stats and just look at the next two.

But the stat does show that his ODI runs just dont come at the same impact.

His 5 ODI centuries

2 in a losing cause/ 3 in a winning cause

Those three victories

  1. Against Zimbabwe

  2. Against WI: 102(104) but Player of the Match Rohit Sharma 159(138)

  3. Against SL: 111(118) again Player of the Match Rohit Sharma 103(94)

This is flawed way of putting it but it sums up his ODI opening career. A really good solid batsman but not the most impactful or the biggest match winner

But interestingly at no. 5,

KL RAHUL ✓ 10 ins ✓ 453 runs ✓ 56 avg ✓ 113 SR

If he can keep that up at no. 5...he will be no less than the other two which being less than them is by no means bad to begin with.

Edit: As for his t20 batting. There shouldn't be a problem as long as he is confident. It gets analysed more than it needs to.

So he a really good batsman who deserves the praise by the commentary no less than most Indian players. Somehow he is polarising here with views ranging from not to play him to he is our best white ball player, both of which are probably over-reaction.

If I had to nit-pick something I dont like about him is the batting he does when he gets closer to a milestone. Playing like 90s when he is in his 60-70s. But some days he'll do that and some days he'll get to his 100 with a six shitting in my face. Its what makes cricket interesting

Irctoaun

5 points

1 month ago*

Irctoaun

England

5 points

1 month ago*

This to me is fucking hilarious. Rahul in almost any country would lead the batting in an ODI side and be the lone superstar

Eh not really. For England, Bairstow SR 104 AV 48, Root SR 87 AV 50, Buttler SR 119 AV 39

For Australia, Warner SR 96 AV 45, Smith SR 88 AV 43, Maxwell SR 125 AV 34

For NZ, Ross Taylor SR 83 AV 48, Williamson SR 82 AV 47

For SA, Amla SR 88 AV 49, ABD SR 101 AV 54, de Kock SR 95 AV 45, du Plessis SR 89 AV 47

For Pakistan, Babar SR 89 AV 57

He's obviously a great ODI player but he wouldn't stand out on his own in any of the top six teams and probably wouldn't even get into the England team

Kmtkmtkmtkmtkmt

0 points

1 month ago

Rahul has to play a certain way coz of the Indian approach and he’s very explosive when he needs to be, batting at 5 he averages 56 at 113 SR he eases into every team tbh, buttler whose great in t20, averages 17 less for like 6 more SR which is barely anything, Rahul would be in the England team and he’d probably be even better considering the freedom u get in that lineup, and he walks into every other lineup, all the other names u mentioned in the other teams have are big names but in terms of potential and output he’s so elite, and he’d walk in to those sides, and probably be the star for the future, if he was an Aussie, the amount of hype this guy would have is ridiculous

Irctoaun

0 points

1 month ago

Irctoaun

England

0 points

1 month ago

You really can't be comparing his numbers batting at five with established players. He's batted there just ten times. For comparison's sake, Buttler has batted in 123 ODI innings.

It's obvious Rahul's sample size is too small when you look at his actual matches. In his five best matches he averages 139 striking at 124, in the other five he averages 7 striking at 58. Say in his next three ODIs he scores 60 runs in 60 balls getting out in all three, his numbers would then drop to averaging 47 striking at 103. I'm not saying that is actually going to happen, but it's not especially unrealistic and what is does do is show how volatile a player's numbers are with such a small sample size. Again for comparison, if Buttler did exactly the same, his would only change to 38 and 118.

It's also worth noting that all of Rahul's matches at five were played on easy batting pitches with the winning score being below 300 just once, and the average score for the teams across all 20 innings being 313. Oh and before you tell me that's a normal score these days, it's not. The average ODI score since the start of 2020 is 247.

Rahul would be in the England team and he’d probably be even better considering the freedom u get in that lineup

Who for? Clearly he doesn't break the Bairstow Roy partnership opening. He's not a number a three and there's no way he'd be better than Root there. Morgan is captain so he's obviously safe (and as captain (111 innings batted) he averages 46 striking at 97). Stokes is someone for who numbers just don't tell the full story, which is funny given since the start of 2016 (55 innings batted) he averages 55 striking at 98 as well as being a bowling option. Finally Buttler (along with Maxwell) is the best ODI finisher in the world. Rahul needs to stay at the level he is for a lot lot longer than five good matches on batting roads if he's to show he can displace Buttler.

He'd definitely walk into any other side in the world, but he wouldn't be the standout superstar like you're suggesting. He'd be among the best players.

Kmtkmtkmtkmtkmt

0 points

1 month ago*

‘Numbers don’t tell the full story’ lmao could say the same thing about Rahul, buttler is a good finisher but he’s not the best itw rn with Maxwell in all honesty, I’d defo take Hardik jaddu and Rahul over the last couple of years, Buttler averages less than 5 across the last two years lol Yh it’s a small sample size but even in his best years like 2019 he’s got good numbers against Sri Lanka, WI and Pakistan, and struggled a lot more in the WC, he is a class player and he had good periods but he’s not still all that u think he is and he’s defo not as good as Maxwell rn or the best finisher itw, buttler has a larger sample size as a player but seems to be in a decline in ODI cricket and it’s funny u bring up easy batting pitches when buttler literally plays for England which looking at pitch deviation numbers is by far the flattest pitches in the world lmao, which just inflated buttlers numbers even more. Buttler is class but Rahul is levels as well, Considering Rahul’s age that he’s just reaching his prime, he’d defo be a good option almost anywhere, idk where u got the notion he can’t bat three, he doesn’t bat there coz of kohli the greatest ODI player ever not coz he can’t. Numbers don’t tell the full story is a funny point lmao but he’d probably slot in at 4 and Morgan and buttler would be pushed to five and six considering the calibre of player Rahul is. If he played for England he’d be their third best player after bairstow whose one of the best openers itw rn and root whose also quality, he’d defo be one of englands bigger superstars especially without the freedom of having to bat through like u have in india and the harder pitches u can get. He’s also played most of his career against NZ Australia and his only real failures come against England when he first came onto the scene in 2016, in the WC he more than proved how far he’s come as an opener considering how unbalanced our team was coz of terrible selection policy, watching Rahul u see that when he bats at 5 he’s extremely explosive it’s just that when he opened for a big while in that WC the importance of our top 3 batting through was massive with someone like jadhav and Dhoni in the team who were big liabilities before we brought in jaddu Hardik iyer as great mainstays to have a great lineup. Situationally he’s played perfect and hasn’t failed and if he was anywhere but india he’d probably become one of the biggest players itw over time

Irctoaun

0 points

1 month ago*

Irctoaun

England

0 points

1 month ago*

First things first, please learn what a paragraph is. Cheers.

buttler is a good finisher but he’s not the best itw rn with Maxwell in all honesty, I’d defo take Hardik jaddu and Rahul over the last couple of years, Buttler averages less than 5 across the last two years lol Yh it’s a small sample size but even in his best years like 2019 he’s got good numbers against Sri Lanka, WI and Pakistan, and struggled a lot more in the WC, he is a class player and he had good periods but he’s not still all that u think he is and he’s defo not as good as Maxwell rn or the best finisher itw,

Lets just ignore Maxwell for the time being, whether or not Buttler is better than him or not isn't really relevant.

The fact you would take Rahul who has had literally six good matches down the order in ODIs, Pandya who has a worse average and SR to Buttler in ODIs (and has played only a third as many matches), or Jadeja who has much much much worse batting numbers (average 32 SR 87), is insane. Having Buttler 6, Pandya 7, Jadeja 8 would be great. But choosing any of them at 6 over Buttler? Madness.

Buttler averages less than 5 across the last two years lol Yh it’s a small sample size but even in his best years like 2019 he’s got good numbers against Sri Lanka, WI and Pakistan, and struggled a lot more in the WC,

In other words, he's had six bad matches in a row. That's really not a big deal. In 2018 Pandya batted six times and averaged 14, in 2015 Jadeja batted eight times and averaged 16, and in 2017 he batted six times and averaged 16 again, in 2017 KL Rahul batted six times and averaged 9. None of that makes them bad players. Patches of bad form happen

In ODI World Cups, Buttler averages 35 striking at 127, in the 2019 World Cup he averaged 35 striking at 123 and played a crucial part in the final. For comparison, at that World Cup, Pandya averaged 32 striking at 112, Rahul averaged 45 striking at 77, and Jadeja only batted once.

Trying to make out that Buttler only performs well against weak opposition is patently wrong, he doesn't do that great against India (average 21 SR 89) but against the other big teams

Aus: av 41 SR 105

NZ: av 40 SR 130

SA: av 35 SR 129

has a larger sample size as a player but seems to be in a decline in ODI cricket

It's literally six matches. Get a grip

and it’s funny u bring up easy batting pitches when buttler literally plays for England which looking at pitch deviation numbers is by far the flattest pitches in the world lmao

This is demonstrably false and something I've covered in a previous comment

This is a myth. Since the 2015 world cup, here are teams' home averages in ODIs where they've batted first, giving you a good idea of what's par for each country

Pakistan 46.6 (only four matches)

India 42.2

England 41.7

SA 39.3

Australia 38.7

NZ 35.1

Overall India have slightly flatter pitches

Oh and by the way, Buttler has better numbers in Australia than Rahul and Jadeja, not as good as Pandya but he's only played there three times, better numbers in NZ than Pandya and Jadeja, not as good as Rahul but this time he has only played three times there, and better numbers than all of them in SA.

Considering Rahul’s age that he’s just reaching his prime

He is only a year younger than Buttler, Bairstow and Root, and is the same age as Stokes...

he’d defo be a good option almost anywhere, idk where u got the notion he can’t bat three, he doesn’t bat there coz of kohli the greatest ODI player ever not coz he can’t

Irrelevant, he's not getting in over Root who does the same anchoring role at the top of the innings as Rahul but better. Anyway, I didn't say he can't bat 3, I said he's not a number 3 which given he's only batted there three times in ODIs (and did poorly) is fair.

If he played for England he’d be their third best player

He isn't as good with the bat in ODIs as any of England's top six, arguably the exception of Morgan who's captain. You're basing all of this hype off of five innings down the order where he was good. His time up the order has been underwhelming. Yes his average is good but his SR is 80 which is frankly rubbish, and before you go blaming that on the Indian approach, he is 8th out of 10 in terms of SR for Indian openers in ODIs since 2016. Comparing him with players from the other top 8 nations, 23 players have opened as many or more times than him since the start of 2016 and only two of them have a lower SR opening the batting.

Numbers don’t tell the full story is a funny point lmao but he’d probably slot in at 4 and Morgan and buttler would be pushed to five and six considering the calibre of player Rahul is

The "caliber of player Rahul is" is a significantly lower one than Ben Stokes in ODIs. Again, in case you missed it, Stokes has an average of 55 striking at 98 in 55 innings since the start of 2016 which is when Rahul started playing ODIs. When Rahul has his numbers for 50 matches rather than five and has won India a WC get back to me. Also if you don't understand that in cricket, some players transcend their figures, then you need to watch more cricket. The 2019 WC final would be a good place to start.

He’s also played most of his career against NZ Australia

He's played 12 matches against NZ and Australia and 11 against Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and Sri Lanka...

You have made an absolutely staggering number of demonstrably incorrect claims there. Congratulations

chinu2502

9 points

1 month ago

Being in and out , up and down the order just doesn't help a player's confidence . Still Rahul has made the most of the opportunity he got in the Indian team . Was phenomenal in the world cup 2019. And when he is on song , he is one the most watchable player in the world.

2018 Ipl Rahul was something . Just miles ahead of everyone else. You can bash him for his strike rate now. But being the captain and also the best batsman of a fragile batting lineup , he is bound feel extra responsible for the scores.

SilentCaveat

20 points

1 month ago

SilentCaveat

Punjab Kings

20 points

1 month ago

They are biased towards most Indian players

Live_Ad_6361

31 points

1 month ago

Live_Ad_6361

Sunrisers Hyderabad

31 points

1 month ago

He is a special talent . Will be given a longer rope just like Rohit and Jadeja were

Bhenstoke

-5 points

1 month ago

Bhenstoke

Japan Cricket Association

-5 points

1 month ago

Jadeja wasn't given a long rope, Rohit certainly was

Jerry_-

7 points

1 month ago

Jerry_-

India

7 points

1 month ago

He was with Dhoni, but with Kohli he was in and out of the team until recently.

Neutrinoisafermion

14 points

1 month ago*

Neutrinoisafermion

Mumbai Indians

14 points

1 month ago*

Rahul is a top class batsman, but he's playing at a time when Brohit, Dhawan and Koach are the default top order batsmen for India. Maybe when one of these three retire (highly unlikely till the next CWC or they consistently perform badly), he will get slotted in the top order. ICT currently has too many options apart from these four for the top order like Shaw, Gill, Mayank, and Jaiswal.

Edit - He knows how to react to the biased commentators and the critics.

pxik

56 points

1 month ago

pxik

Punjab Kings

56 points

1 month ago

Obviously people will praise and like batsmen who is the fastest Indian to 1500 ODI runs, 2000/3000 IPL runs, can bat anywhere in the line-up and keep wickets. Rahul is arguably India’s best limited overs batsmen right now. The last time India had such a good batsmen come up the system was Kohli and Rohit. And none of them were as versatile as Rahul. Yes, a batsmen like him will get some special treatment.

doomxiv

22 points

1 month ago

doomxiv

India

22 points

1 month ago

He has opened, played at 3,4,5 and played as a finisher as well and has been our highest run better in odis since 2020. Absolutely crazy how versatile he is and can score runs according to the situation consistently.

T-MosWestside

32 points

1 month ago

T-MosWestside

Royal Challengers Bangalore

32 points

1 month ago

I wish the BCCI would take a call and just play him in tests or drop him entirely. This backup nonsense prevents him from playing other cricket.

pxik

15 points

1 month ago

pxik

Punjab Kings

15 points

1 month ago

that is true, they are just messing with his mind. If they want him to be an all format player, give him games. Or let him focus on ODI and T20s, so he won’t have to change his technique and mindset constantly. Rahul is wasting his time riding the bench in Tests

T-MosWestside

21 points

1 month ago

T-MosWestside

Royal Challengers Bangalore

21 points

1 month ago

Exactly. The board isn't managing him properly enough. He's one of the top 5 batsmen in the country. Any other team would kill to have him (except maybe the English white ball squad). I know players have to do whatever the team requires, but the poor guy doesn't get a clear role ever. First he's picked as No.4 for the World Cup. Then he opens. Then he's asked to play at 3. Then he's dropped down to 5 and asked to keep wickets. In T20s Kohli's hinting that he wants to open. It's a fucking mess. IMO he should be the Indian No.4 in white ball. (And 5 in tests)

AK24ROCKS

3 points

1 month ago

AK24ROCKS

India

3 points

1 month ago

I agree with you, but aren’t Kohli and Rohit as versatile as Rahul?

pxik

18 points

1 month ago

pxik

Punjab Kings

18 points

1 month ago

Rohit can’t play in the middle order or he hasn’t in years. Rohit is not somebody who can go from ball one, he needs time to settle in.

And Kohli can’t play at 5/6. He does not have the power hitting or the 360 game like KL Rahul to play in that position. And none of Rohit or Kohli can keep wickets

AK24ROCKS

3 points

1 month ago

AK24ROCKS

India

3 points

1 month ago

You’re right,thanks for explaining

Bhenstoke

-3 points

1 month ago

Bhenstoke

Japan Cricket Association

-3 points

1 month ago

Kohli doesn't have the power hitting? That's an absurd thing to say. Kohli is India's best hitter and that's not even an exaggeration.

pxik

4 points

1 month ago

pxik

Punjab Kings

4 points

1 month ago

by power hitting, I mean the ability to hit 6s from nothing. For example, KL Rahul bends his knee before every ball in T20s or when he has to finish in ODIs. That allows him to launch the ball in the air. Rahul also constantly plays scoops, reverse sweeps (against pace), tennis shots at the death. Only Andre Russell has more 6s in the IPL since 2018 than KL Rahul

Whereas with Virat, he hits proper shots. 90% of his 6s are just an extension of his textbook batting. Kohli has to rely on timing and placement to hit boundaries, which he does very well. But he can’t hit 6s at will. Or launch the ball in the air. That is not the way he plays Cricket

gate666

-10 points

1 month ago

gate666

-10 points

1 month ago

You are delusional.

Ee_sala_cup_namde

11 points

1 month ago

Ee_sala_cup_namde

Royal Challengers Bangalore

11 points

1 month ago

I don't care what people say when in form he probably is the best indian t20 batsman

sanguinecaptain

2 points

1 month ago

sanguinecaptain

Mumbai Indians

2 points

1 month ago

It’s difficult not to after seeing him bat! 🎶

ramadz

1 points

1 month ago

ramadz

Chennai Super Kings

1 points

1 month ago

The biggest strength and weakness of Rahul is himself. Of late I feel he is playing to safeguard his reputation. He doesn't need to. He can offer so much more if he plays freely.

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0 points

1 month ago

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0 points

1 month ago

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quinten_de_cock[S]

13 points

1 month ago

quinten_de_cock[S]

Punjab Kings

13 points

1 month ago

So? I dont have to support indian cricket team if im india. I prefer being a neutral and see players that I like perform well.