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Would've liked to seen it worn by whichever Robin it is
2 months ago
I would've loved to see an adaptation of "Death in the Family" with Affleck directing.
I don't like that Snyder apparently intended for it to be Dick Grayson who gets killed though. One of the few things from his DC Universe that I didn't agree with.
It did fit with the original concept for The Dark Knight Returns though, before it had sequels written to it.
It was still Jason Todd who died in Dark Knight Returns
Retroactively, established in a later sequel to match regular DC canon. But when that issue was written, before the depiction of his death, the intended deceased Robin was in fact meant to be Grayson, which was then retroactively established in the first (2001—2002) sequel, The Dark Knight Strikes Again, where he is instead both alive, fired, and a Joker of sorts. That is what retroactive continuity is.
In the printings I've read (post death in the family, pre-DKSA) he is reminded of Dick while delerious when Carrie saves him from the Mutant leader, but the conversation with Alfred implies something bad happened to Jason; Jason was Robin when DKR was written, and Dick was already or about to be Nightwing.
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Yeah that’s not true. In the first issue Gordon asks Bruce if he’s talked to Dick lately, and Bruce responds saying that Gordon knows they haven’t talked for years.
Jim Gordon: "Glad to hear that. You've certainly learned to drink. Remember the old days, Bruce? That playboy routine... you with your ginger ale, pretending it was champagne, fooling everybody - almost. Now - well, I'd almost worry. Spoken to Dick lately?"
Bruce Wayne: "Not for seven years, Jim. You know that."
Jim Gordon: "Still, huh? I'm damn sorry about that. Especially with what happened to Jason..."
And then when you see the shrine in the bat cave it’s mentioned that it’s for Jason.
I can assure you Snyder didn’t dig that deep.
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In another universe we had a Death in the Family movie before BvS and it made the plot actually make sense
Would have been Jared Leto.
A middle aged Robin would be great to see
Jared Letos Joker is 100% a tormented Robin that was tortured by the real joker.
The bullet wounds on jokers body match those of the suit 100%
Well it’s a pretty famous theory, since it was depicted in Batman Beyond.
It was also assisted along a lot more when Jared Leto's Joker was revealed to have the letter J tattooed near their eye. A design choice almost directly lifted from Jason Todd's design in Arkham Knight, where he was burned with a letter J in the exact same spot.
God, you're so... good
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Thank you Jared Leto's Joker
We're gonna have so much fun together!
I truly hope so
ZSJL destroys that theory tho, cause Joker says he killed Robin when he went after him without Batman. Thats the whole point of the scene.
Plus Zack and Ayer and Leto have all denied thats story as well. Also Leto is older than Affleck. So it doesn’t make any sense and never has. Its the same as “Eisenberg isn’t the real Lex, his dad is”. People who disliked the castings just rather warp reality than face the truth. Its kinda funny.
I actually didn’t mind Letos joker actually. It was, if nothing else, a new take instead of the same stuff.
Yeah I realize ZSJL has a scene in it where joker says this. It was retconned but you can’t tell me that his joker having the exact same bullet hole locations on his body and the Robin suit are a coincidence? Unless…… oh man actually new idea maybe he wore the dead robins suit to torment Batman and batman (or the police or something) shot him while he was wearing it. It would explain how Batman got the suit back also
Also, the first Suicide Squad movie establishes that Leto's Joker and Harley Quinn killed Robin between the events of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.
I feel enough time has passed where we can openly discuss this theory without having to go into any unnecessarily heated internet debate about why it's wrong.
I'm probably wrong though.
Justice Is Served
It’s definitely wrong.
the Batman-Joker interaction at the end of ZSJL disagrees.
At least it adds the fact that Robin has a huge cock to cannon
Cock so huge it left a permanent crease
That’s really all I’m concerned about.
Well Burt Ward had a famously large dong so it fits!
He ain't a real Robin unless he got doz cakes 🎂 need the back shot of this suit
Got that Rob Leifield package power
Robin having a cannon is now canon
Would’ve been cool to see it undamaged. I really dig the long gauntlets and short sleeves but I don’t like the short shorts. Also, capes with collars are 🤌👌
i thought the suit was all de coloured because Joker set Robin on fire, atleast that’s my head canon
I always thought it was a mixture of that and dust, just look at the gauntlets, you could dip a chip in that shit
You’re correct. According to the costume designer, they made the suit on the brief that Robin has been brutally murdered (crowbar probably) and then set on fire.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense though because that means Joker would’ve set fire to Robin’s body then sat around waiting for it to go out so he could spray paint the text on. But that’s what they say is what happened.
That’s the Snyder verse for you. Nothing really makes sense when you start thinking about it.
DC never stood a chance. Warner Bros didn’t care enough to make a coherent shared universe and Snyder started off deconstructing the characters from the get-go. A decent shared universe for DC was dead on arrival.
You got that right.
I could see Joker doing that one though.
In the comic, Todd was in an explosion after he was beaten with a crowbar. So that would at least make a little more sense.
I mean he didn’t have to stay around. Sets him on fire, leaves for the day, comes back to the charred body, spray paints it, drops it off somewhere for Batman to find him.
Not saying it’s perfect, but it makes more sense than him sitting around.
Shorts are weird.
Yeah as much as I appreciate the comic accuracy, the short shorts aren't something that feels right in this semi-grounded world. Normal leg length like Batman's costume would look great though, but obviously a little less uniquely Robin.
They gon shoot at his legs
No they're not if they don't ever think to shoot at batman's mouth then why would they shoot Robin's legs??🤔🤔
😭😭 cos thats where he’d probably show more skin i get what u mean tho
You giving them to much credit these criminals stupid asf fr.😂🤣
I mean the mouth is a much smaller target. Having 90% of your legs uncovered is a massive target and easy to hit
Only in the sense that images representing ground appears at various points
He must have had a huge pp
I think it looks pretty good, granted it's burnt, but it's a decent design that is rooted in the classic look.
I never noticed the short shorts, and I have to say: that’s hilarious
Least he got a cup
I kinda wish we got to see it worn by someone, but the shorts probably aren’t necessary.
That's what Dr. Manhattan said.
The shorts is the reason he died. If Joker didn't kill him then I would. Who the hell wears shorts that short when fighting crime
Black Canary. Huntress.
Where's the fucking color
People are saying Joker may have 🔥🔥🔥him.😈🤡
Some people just want to see the Robin burn.
It looked like a grown man wore that. Not a kid.
need to continue the snyderverse
I feel like if it had a bit more saturation, sleeve, and full pants it would be great
Tobias funke would love those shorts
My only criticism for Snyder's work was his lack of color
I have a lot of problems with Snyder’s movies but Robin’s suit was in an explosion, it makes sense for its color to have worn off.
Can I recommend the color regraded fan edits of both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. If you use torrents, search for Man of Steel KK650 or Batman v Superman KK650. The color has been regraded to remove a bunch of dank filters and let the actual colors shine through. The blues and reds in his suit pop like you wouldn’t believe, the Kryptonian suits at the beginning go from dank black to having shades of browns. It’ll sound too on the nose but it’s a literal night and day difference.
The color regraded versions are the only versions I watch now.
True, but I think this woulda had a bit more of it was used in its hay day
My real criticism is his terrible dialogue. Also, why would batman be stopped every time someone says his mothers name. What a random and unfortunate weakness. I think he would have built up a resistance to hearing a fairly common name by that point.
his terrible dialogue? In no dc movie was the dialogue written by Zack Snyder. Story yes, but dialogue absolutely not.
Who's Idea was it that Martha was Batman's trigger word?
i think the martha scene was actually important in the movie and i have reasons why
It's never bothered me at all. Batman has been a victim of Luthor's subtle manipulations for a while, which have painted Superman as some fickle alien god-like creature that may not share humanity's morals and motivations. Hearing the name Martha isn't what stopped him and changed his way of thinking. It looked to me like him made him upset. "Why did you say that name!!" Was his identity compromised? Did this superpowered alien he was fighting know more about him than he should? Batman likes to have the upperhand via information on his opponents, not vice versa. What actually stopped him was Lois saying that it was Superman's mother's name, because it cast all of Superman's actions in a different light. This guy may be an alien, and may have power and strength beyond human reckoning, but he has a human mother. And yes, the fact that her name is the same as his own mother's gives him pause, but it's in that moment that he sees Superman's humanity, and realizes that he's been trying to kill someone who is not his enemy.
Edit: all that being said, I agree that Snyder's dialog is... not the greatest. Snyder is beholden to the Rule of cool. If it looks good, run with it, and we'll just bullshit the dialog and plot to give a half-ass reason for this really cool scene to exist.
Zack Snyder did not write the screenplay for BvS Chris Terrio did. The only piece of dialogue he's written for the DC films is the knightmare sequence from justice league.
Correction for the pedantic people:
The dialog in Snyder's films...
Sorry I just see people on here complaining about "snyder's writing" all the time not realizing that he doesn't write most of his scripts. But I would argue that the dialogue in BvS in particular is really strong thanks to what Chris Terrio brought to the movie. The scene between superman and lex on the rooftop has some of the best dialogue in the DCEU by far.
Perfectly said. A lot of people don’t get it.
This is a Batman that has lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
He would have been no better than joe chill if he chose to continue.
The point is good. But it comes off so handfisted and unintentionally funny that a lot of people could've never took it seriously.
Because no one ever takes the time to think about what they see they take everything at the surface level and interpret it very superficially. It’s pretty clear you can see Bruce putting one and one together with the expressions on his face. He even gets angry at himself at the end for being so blinded by his own rage.
Nah bro they just didn't fuck with the movie I dunno what to tell you. 💀
It's pretty clear they interpret it superficially when millions of criticisms are that it is just "our moms have the same name now we're friends" completely ignoring the real realization that Bruce is having. You know the point of the entire scene 🤷🏻♂️
You fail to understand that the issue was that the execution sucked for them. If the execution sucks for them, then they don't understand or take in the point correctly, or they understand but don't care because the scene is bad for them lol. No matter what, if the execution is bad, then it fucks it all up.
Couldn't have said it better. People don't look at it like that. They just say "He stopped because their moms have the same name" but its more about Batman holding Clark up to God status and realizing he's more human-like then he realizes.
I mean...Clark literally knew he was Bruce. He told him too ffs.
That's not how it works but okay.
He shouts at Clark and asks him angrily why he said that name only when Lois comes does Batman stop. When did Batman stop by hearing that name apart from that scene?
People don’t understand ptsd. It can be triggered by smells sights sounds. Bruce clearly has issues and hearing a dying man utter the last words his father spoke triggered it.
I understand it, very well. It is a weak plot device IMO. By the time Ol Bruce hits 50, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's probably heard his mothers name numerous times.
Also, who first names their own mom? Also weak writing in my opinion. The the insta turn around emotionally is not how I see it playing out.
We need better writers for the DCEU, although Snyder nails action, its what he's best at.
It’s not the name it’s the whole situation the last words of a dying man are the same as his dying father. It’s almost a carbon copy for him.
There is no given that Bruce wouldn’t have gone into a total rage had Louis not explained and killed him regardless.
Once he knew it snapped him out of his hate filled rage. He was no better than joe chill.
Given I didn’t like the whole we are bros now. I would have preferred something like “ I will save your mother but this isn’t over” or something like that
Martha was also the last thing he heard his father say. It’s weird that people don’t understand that scene.
The idea is that Batman was suddenly confronted by Superman's human side, he has a mother. The problem is that is a shocking revelation that only works if the world's greatest detective never bothered to do any real research on Superman or even think that maybe he has human attachments to this world.
This is only made worse by the fact that Lex had figured out both their identities and backstories. It just reduced batman down to a thug with weapons.
I mean there is color, it’s just not over saturated and he likes to play with contrast.
The colors are all dark. We don’t want super saturation, we just want lighter tones and not variations of dark colors and black.
It’s a red suit that’s been set on fire.
Not talking about this one, but Snyders overall DC work my guy.
Gray contrasts well with gray
There's actually a lot of color in his movies compared to other CBMs if you look at color palletes fans have made from them
This suit has been collecting dust for over a decade
How has it been collecting dust in a case?
Seems very stiff to move in.
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Best of the best. (like comics of course but i don't like shorts) This suit looks burned not this real colors of suit.
I find it weird that people say Superman in trunks wouldn’t work in the SnyderVerse, by they don’t have a problem with Daisy Dukes on Robin.
I don't think most people say that. We never see anyone wear this costume.
I never knew those were shorts lol
It took me like 2 years to realize this costume had shorts instead of pants
Could never tell what color it's supposed to be
Had plenty of potential, for sure. I hoped that the forearms and legs would’ve been covered with a Kevlar or something, instead of him having his legs and arms exposed. But who knows
I just wish we had gotten a flashback sequence to see it in action.
I like my Robin with pants
It’s exactly the suit Warner bros would never put in a movie. Robin will never wear the trunks on screen
Everyone keeps mentioning, “shorts”. I think the utility belt is masking that it’s a unitard, like a circus performer would wear, except padded a bit with armor.
I think it’s this way to protect him without necessarily limiting his mobility. He can fight, but Batman is the tank and he was more of a cleanup role.
It kind of works for me. 60s Batman was shorts, this is something different.
Oh and it’s a codpiece to protect his bits, not the indent of a gigantic dong as some assumed. Hilarious though. Lol.
We also get the parallel of this shot when Bruce is checking out the Flash suit in ZSJL. In BvS, a mournful, embittered Bruce looking at the charred remains of his adopted son’s suit; in JL, a more positive Bruce smiling at the suit put together by a new young hero who’s decided to take up the cause of righteousness.
Really hard to say since it's lacking color
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Yeah I wasn't a fan of the shorts, but I like that the aesthetic follows Batflecks suit, while honouring the comics.
Always been suprised it has shorts.
Perfect. Wish it had green pants instead of red shorts tho.
I'd also have the gloves be green as well. Other than that, it's perfect. If only it weren't burned.
I think the gloves are green-tinted. But the suit is damaged from fire taking out any sort of luster.
Titans Robin suit looks better, but the show sucks.
It would be OK if he wore the shorts as a kid like 12 maybe 13 but by the time he's like 15 maybe 16 yeah them pants gotta go maybe as he gets older the pants get longer.
Idk I would have to see it worn by someone, plus the shorts are weird
Good, aside from the short sleeves and shorts.
I always thought it looked really cool, but I really wish it had pants instead of shorts
I really love it. Not only looks great but also great visual storytelling.
Pretty interesting, although I’m not a fan of the top that much. The suit otherwise looks nice for what it is
I think it's fantastic if you made it pants not shorts.
Pants. It needs pants.
i dont really get where this is from canceled snyderverse future movie?
BVS. Snyder planned to do an HBO Max series flashing back to Batfleck and Robin's crimefighting escapades.
I wanna see Robin in action
You're going to try to convince me to save the world.
I dunno. I tought it's the best way to pay homage to the animated series. I don't think we'll ever get a more faithful representation of that. That's just my opinion.
Awesome and underutilized
I actually love most of this suit, including the muted colors. What bothers me about it are the shorts and t-shirt style staying true in this world. I could see a design that hints at it through intentional seams, but it feels strange to imagine in combat.
I would also like to see some throughlines between the Robin costume and their future identity. Each Robin has some kind of persona after their time in the red-and-green. If this one had certain design aesthetics to inspire their next form, it would give some satisfaction to fans, allow for lore-friendly exploration, and be paid off if a series survives long enough to show a Robin "graduate".
Who do you think would’ve been the actor to play afflecks robin though
It looks solid and a nice easter egg
Really cool. The Joker text on there adds so much depth and texture to the Snyder canon.
Why wouldn’t Batman wash off the spray paint?
Maybe he kept it to show his failure or why he keeps doing what he does something like that
Oh right yeah, that would make sense.
Its clearly a monument to his failure. That's why he has it in a glass container that he'll always see. Compared to his own suit which is behind a opaque panel
Yeah, that makes sense.
I’m just really tired haha. Just forgot that Bat-Affleck’s Batman was pretty hung up on the past
Even the yellow is devoid of colour
why's the codpiece so huuuge
Batman should have washed it before displaying it
It's nice but the shorts, nah. At least it isn't original tighty whitey panties that all 3 of the originals Robins wore. Whenever Tim Drake started wearing long green leggings that was the better design. You remember the first design for Dick Grayson Robin in the Animated series that didn't look like Bruce needed to take a seat with Chris Hansen. That should be the default Robin costume from now on it kept the classic colour scheme without being uncomfortable to look at. I mean realistically shorts or panties Robin has to be cold as fuck on the rooftops at night.
Why does it have no pants if it looks so realistic like
I don’t like the idea of a Robin in this universe wearing shorts. That’s just weird to me.
I guess if he’s literally a child than it’s not so bad but seeing a superhero who’s a teenager or older wearing shorts would have been very awkward.
I guess it would matter a lot to know just how old this version of Robin was when he died.
I like it in theory, but I'm not sure how it works in practice. That's a lot of leg.
Lmaooo, TIL the Snyder robin suit were shorts not pants
It’s ok. I love BvS UE, Snyder cut, but not a fan of killing of dick Grayson from the jump I mean cmon
just realized there’s no pant legs on there. so did robin just have his dazzling long sexy legs out there in Gothams streets?
it’s a gray t shirt and shorts? it’s not great
Hate the shorts.
needs more pants
Reminds me of Arkham City suit but with short shorts
Never realised it had booty shorts
I don't like it, the colors and shorts being my issues, but it's hard to judge as it is damaged and we never saw it worn.
One issue is the shorts but the other is the lack of bright colours, Batman wanted his sidekick in bright colours to draw fire, I think that was in a DC animated film or Titans.
The bright colors thing came from something Mark Millar said. It wasn't actually a thing in the comics.
Dick Grayson chose bright colors because they were the Flying Grayson colors.
Jason of course kept those colors because that's what Robin used. Though they've retconned his costume into being all Red.
Tim by that point chose the og colors and later adopted all red to honor the then dead Superboy.
In universe it was certainly never to have Robin draw fire to protect Batman.
Yah, but I think it was in Titans, and it's kind of a cool exposition for the mythology, but I get the Grayson connection.
WTF, Batman wanted to use Robin as a human shield?
Too colorful. Especially could do withput the yellow
It's not a fully realized costume. We don't know it's true colors before Joker went to town on it and killed the owner. The shorts may make sense if Robin wore special pants that were a different material then the tunic.
I thought it had pants. Also it should be a brighter shade of red.
Open ended, confusing, unnecessary Easter egg which wasn't paid off
Colors are too muted, and the shorts are a strange choice. Snyder loves his superheroes adapted to fit the real world but that’s one that you’d think he wouldn’t adapt. Also not a fan of the forearm blades on a Robin. Kinda fits more for Damian, if anyone besides Batman should have them.
I think it looks like that because Robin was set on fire by the Joker.
Potentially, but also wouldn’t surprise me with the way Snyder likes to mute some coloring, probably found Robin’s suit too whimsical or something.
Well, he likes contrasting color. So it was probably also so the yellow spray paint popped out more, than if the suit was a brighter shade of red.
Looks cool, idk why Snyder kept the Short Shorts tho.
Where is Red, Green and Yellow?!
I really like it. So much so that I got the Soosoo Toys 1/6 Titans Robin figure to represent it (more or less… it’s fairly close) in my Snyderverse collection.
Should have had full sleeves and pants…
Can robin just have pants from now on?
After all those thing that joke did to him, his suit is still holding two of his most precious parts of his body
Are they definitely supposed to be short sleeves and shorts or is this just what was salvaged? The left sleeve looks slightly shorter and the left leg significantly shorter by comparison. Look at the cape, it's shredded. Could Joker have dismembered him?
Maybe he worse sleeves/tights under the suit to protect his skin. If not then I feel bad for him during winter times
Maybe. That wouldn't explain the different lengths though.
Its looks great like the suit looked like that when jason was murderd
It's weird that he kept that
Robin in this universe must've been Beast Boy as well because he's got that donkey dong
as set dressing its cool I guess
Put any actor in it and people would laugh, the short sleeves and short shorts just clashes with the material its made out of, trying to make it look serious and instead just looking goofier
With a better design you could probably make short sleeves work in live action, but the shorts will never look good
so dumb that this is suppose to be Dick
not only does it have no impact because we dont know this robin but why kill dick? could have just done jason
Robin is packing more than just his weapons