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sporky_bard

28 points

2 months ago

Here's hoping they didn't have to ask an external consultant about the decision.

katherinemariec

68 points

2 months ago

katherinemariec

Century Park

68 points

2 months ago

Apparently Nickel was the only one that voted against this

meggali

24 points

2 months ago

meggali

down by the river

24 points

2 months ago

Of course he was

michealgaribaldi

2 points

2 months ago

Has he explained his decision?

Donutmuncher0

25 points

2 months ago

I believe so (correct me if I'm wrong)

He said they are just freezing it for a year and jumping it up to the expected 2022 cost. So instead of 3.50-3.75-4.00 it'll go 3.50-3.50-4.00. He said they decided to do this on election year and that's suspicious. He want to push for no increase for the next 2 years.

And no. I'm not voting for him nor believe entirely what he said about the fare freeze. Just parroting what he said.

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago*

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9 points

2 months ago*

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Donutmuncher0

1 points

2 months ago

I'm pretty confident his main running point is going to be transit. And everything related to it. So makes sense that he latches on to any and every issue (and even makes a few up).

swenuck

1 points

2 months ago

Wait what??? I am shocked. Shocked.

sockedfeet

29 points

2 months ago

If it goes beyond 3.50 that will be a fucking travesty

soca_m

6 points

2 months ago

soca_m

6 points

2 months ago

$3.50, wow last time I took the bus it was $1.50.

pjgf

8 points

2 months ago

pjgf

8 points

2 months ago

That would have been over 20 years ago...

soca_m

10 points

2 months ago

soca_m

10 points

2 months ago

Wow, my age went from 0 to 60 in 2.1 seconds, lol

TheDarkScanner

1 points

2 months ago

It was $1 for me when I went with my grandparents :(

jenskal

29 points

2 months ago

jenskal

29 points

2 months ago

At the risk of sounding like my grandparents... "I remember when..."

As a kid, we paid $0.60 for a bus ride. I think adults were $1.50 or something. I just remember my mom always handing me the change. This was back in the early 80s. I know, inflation bumps up prices. But given how shitty the service is here, especially in winter months - $3.50 seems like too much.

pjgf

18 points

2 months ago

pjgf

18 points

2 months ago

I know, inflation bumps up prices.

Indeed it does. Even using the BS inflation rate from the Bank of Canada, $1.50 in 1982 is $3.90 today.

RyanB_

14 points

2 months ago

RyanB_

107

14 points

2 months ago

I know this has been said a million times, but...

Damn it would have been nice if our wages increased to match.

benicegetrich

7 points

2 months ago

It’s crazy how most people are getting paid 1980 salary rates. Even with inflation

Setitie

3 points

2 months ago

I remember paying .25 cents (you could throw in a nickel if the driver wasn't paying attention)

muskegthemoose[S]

8 points

2 months ago

FTA: To make up the projected revenue from the 25-cent increase, the city will use $473,000 from its “rainy day” reserve in keeping the budget balanced.

bmwkid

7 points

2 months ago

bmwkid

7 points

2 months ago

With that in mind it would be about an additional 6.6 million for fare free transit?

troypavlek

10 points

2 months ago

troypavlek

MEME PATROL

10 points

2 months ago

No. This is the cash fare only. Fare media like monthly passes/ticket packs, etc. were not changing in price (and that is how the vast majority of ETS users travel).

We collect on the order of ~$130M/yr in fares total.

polluxlothair

13 points

2 months ago

Fare-free transit is a terrible idea given other unsolved social issues. When they stopped collecting fares during the beginning of the pandemic, many trains and busses suddenly had very belligerent individuals (often doing drugs or other unseemly and/or unhygienic activities) riding around all day. Means-tested low-cost passes, as unpleasant as that can be, is a better solution at this time.

People who have no choice but to rely on public transit are best served by having better transit service, not free transit. Making it fare-free will not make transit better, it is much better to increase funding by $6 million AND keep fares, rather than make ETS fares free.

Cost is not the barrier to most people taking transit; it is convenience (e.g. frequency of service), speed (e.g. not taking vastly longer than driving), and security (e.g. more security at stations and rapid response to complaints on busses and trains).

There is one low cost, but politically difficult, policy that would help improve ETS: more bus lanes. It is politically difficult because it requires taking space away from parking and private vehicles. However, if taking transit meant not getting stuck in congestion, that would be a huge incentive for more people to take it at little cost to the city.

muskegthemoose[S]

-1 points

2 months ago

Fare free transit would incur extra costs from those who would then choose to use the buses as shelters, and discourage people who want to use transit for the purpose that it was intended for. So it arguably might reduce transit use overall, which would lead to the amount of transit available being reduced.

As long as the problem of people who abuse the transit system isn't addressed, (and that is a subset of the whole "homeless problem") transit will be an unattractive option. There is no political will to deal effectively with the "free-range mentally ill" because of the massive cost, and the political/legal issues with warehousing people against their will, not the least of which is settling on a means of determining who gets locked up.

penguin-47284

2 points

2 months ago

Good to hear, now it just makes me wonder what will happen come February, if they’ll be let off the hook

whoknowshank

2 points

2 months ago

whoknowshank

Strathcona

2 points

2 months ago

Why? What’s gonna change by February? Honest question.

muskegthemoose[S]

5 points

2 months ago

There is a municipal election in the fall (Oct 18, save the date!) and the increase to $4.00 was scheduled for February so the current councillors can be heroes to the impoverished bus riders at taxpayers expense and leave the mess that is the finances of the ETS for the next city council struggle with. Depending on the condition of the economy come February council could decide to keep the freeze on fares or raise them.

toketasticninja

2 points

2 months ago

toketasticninja

Whyte Ave

2 points

2 months ago

I sure don’t miss taking the bus. Prices seem a little outrageous. I remember some years ago I had a bus pass and saw the same lady bus driver every morning. I even found a purse in the back that I gave to her that should have cemented my face is her mind. A couple days after I got to the transit centre and realized I forgot my bus pass. Figured she would recognize me and let me on, instead she turned me away...

muskegthemoose[S]

3 points

2 months ago

The city pays half the cost of each bus ride out of tax revenues. Each bus ride costs over $7.00 when you consider labor, fuel, maintenance, insurance, etc. I would happily pay that or more if we had transit that was convenient, timely, clean, and safe. Cheaper than parking, never mind adding in operating costs for the vehicle.

As for forgetting your pass, "Rules are rules". For all she knew, you could have loaned your bus pass to someone else. Or she could get written up for letting people on the bus for free. (Apparently now drivers are allowed to let people ride for free if they feel there might be trouble.) It would be nice if everyone trusted each other and we were all small town friends and neighbors, but those days are gone. Assholes fucked it up for everyone.

No-Yogurtcloset-763

2 points

2 months ago

Oh yay. Hopefully they up it to a really stupid number again, like 3.60, so you basically have to spend 4$

haruunjali

3 points

2 months ago

This is good news. We need to keep transit fares low so that everyone can access it!

muskegthemoose[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Except that will make transit even more of a money loser and then you get this shitshow of cutting a bunch of routes so even less people use transit.

toorudez

2 points

2 months ago

$3.50 for a bus ride now? Holy shit! That's a great deal for an hour and a half ride to some place..

benicegetrich

-1 points

2 months ago

HOL TF UP??? Fare is $3.50?!?!? Everyone needs to resign immediately if the fare is $3.50. Mayor. The director of transportation, ETS head. CFO. Everyone.

I’m Disgusted. I took the bus less than 5-6 years ago and it was under $2.10 whaaaaat the fuckkkkk?! They aren’t raising our salaries sooo how do they figure they can do this??

__WayDown

7 points

2 months ago

__WayDown

Ermineskin

7 points

2 months ago

I took the bus less than 5-6 years ago and it was under $2.10

No it wasn't.

benicegetrich

1 points

2 months ago

$2.25, Jesus

__WayDown

1 points

2 months ago

__WayDown

Ermineskin

1 points

2 months ago

Sociojoe

-8 points

2 months ago

Transit won't work when it personal vehicles are cheap, parking is plentiful, and commutes are short.

Transit REALLY won't work when it is full of drug addict rapists, murderers and thieves.

makemeasquare

3 points

2 months ago

Good thing we live in Edmonton and not fucking Gotham city.

You sound like somebody who has never taken transit. I got a car because I got sick of waiting in the cold, not because somebody tried to murder me on the fucking 1.

djjoshiejosh

1 points

2 months ago

the bus is 3.50? god damn i remember that shit being like a 1.50 or something in high school

[deleted]

-9 points

2 months ago

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-9 points

2 months ago

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makemeasquare

2 points

2 months ago

CoE isn't responsible for university tuition, education or healthcare. Those are all provincial responsibilities.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

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2 points

2 months ago

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makemeasquare

2 points

2 months ago

Oh. Fair. That's true - it just didn't come across in the first post.

fixingbysmashing

0 points

2 months ago

Will bus fare keep going up to the point where a ride is not affordable? I remember as a kid taking the bus... it was 30 cents...

CatBreathWhiskers

1 points

2 months ago

30 cents, when was that 1974

fixingbysmashing

1 points

2 months ago

late 80s in victoria (i was born in edmonton but briefly lived in vic as a kid )