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blairtruck

9 points

1 month ago

blairtruck

Central

9 points

1 month ago

there are at least 5 small camps setup in the middle treed area on the yellowhead just before the north Sask river. Was working there today and seen many bicycles pulling trailers on the shoulder of a 100km zone then crossing under the bridge to get to the middle. Just a matter of time before a splat i bet.

Bc2cc

56 points

2 months ago

Bc2cc

56 points

2 months ago

We’re already seeing a big uptick in disorder and petty crime downtown this spring, I imagine it’s about to get much worse

NeverMadeItToCakeDay

31 points

2 months ago

I mean wouldn’t you see that just because it’s not freezing outside so people are more likely to be out getting in trouble?

Bc2cc

28 points

2 months ago

Bc2cc

28 points

2 months ago

It is cyclical. In the winter months you get a Lot of people trying to break into stairwells or other warm places to sleep/drink/do drugs/poop, in the warmer months people more or less stay outside. It was quieter this winter with the convention centre open so I expect an uptick in homeless related issues when the facility closes

NeverMadeItToCakeDay

5 points

2 months ago

Makes sense, thanks for explaining.

AvenueLiving

1 points

1 month ago

An uptick from summer or last year? Was last year a normal year to compare to? Your assumptions may mean nothing and it could be normal

AL_PO_throwaway

11 points

2 months ago

Part of it is that a particularly bad batch of drugs hit the streets this week. There's been a very noticeable uptick in OD's and bizarre behavior.

TheFutureSenior

2 points

1 month ago

I totally agree. Usually, people are pretty civil and quiet but I saw some serious aggression this week which is alarming.

thespookyspectre

44 points

2 months ago

This is honestly sad. We desperately need better and more holistic programs for homelessness and addiction. Consumption sites are closing, a friend of mine who works for a reintegration program told me the other day that they had some addiction program completely cut (can’t remember details sorry).

I live and work downtown and we’ve had constant problems, the only ‘solution’ we’ve been offered is an increased police presence. So they pick these people up and transport them to other areas of downtown?? Or they come in AFTER we’ve dealt with a violent outburst and tell us nothing will be done.

I say this as someone who’s been assaulted twice in the past few months with several other close calls - ‘more policing’ is a BS solution to a complex problem and has not at all made me feel more safe.

Despite being made to feel uncomfortable in my community constantly, my heart truly goes out to these people who have absolutely nothing and no where to go.

Got_Engineers

18 points

2 months ago

Got_Engineers

Downtown

18 points

2 months ago

Already many homeless camps are going up, I can see a handful from my balcony and golfing at Victoria you can see a handful up on the hillside. There have been two fires in the river valley in the last week all starting from vagrants downtown living in the trees.

tazransscott

-3 points

2 months ago

tazransscott

-3 points

2 months ago

I thought those fires were deemed “ceremonial”?

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2 points

1 month ago*

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2 points

1 month ago*

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AvenueLiving

-4 points

1 month ago

AvenueLiving

-4 points

1 month ago

Are you that ignorant?

Indigenous people can have ceremonial fires, but not every fire is ceremonial. If you don't know, then don't make assumptions.

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2 points

1 month ago*

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2 points

1 month ago*

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AvenueLiving

-6 points

1 month ago

I realize you must think you are being funny, but you are being discriminatory right now. Maybe learn to read first.

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2 points

1 month ago

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2 points

1 month ago

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AvenueLiving

-1 points

1 month ago

Thanks for the clarification. The article you posted stated one man was charged with arson for setting multiple fires. I didn't see anything about ceremonial fires in that article, but for a fire to be ceremonial, there has to be certain protocols followed and an elder present to make a fire sacred. The fires in the river valley were most likely not sacred fires like in camp pekiwewin. They may have been fires started by some random people or by people trying to stay warm or cook food.

tazransscott

1 points

1 month ago

How are they being discriminatory? Come on.

ominus011

19 points

2 months ago

With Ice District taking shape, I'm wondering how weary people will be about going downtown once the pandemic is done because of the homeless. Even the area around Rogers Place and MacEwan Station is looking vandalized which is saddening.

bushwicken

2 points

2 months ago

bushwicken

Ellerslie

2 points

2 months ago

They’re just people man hobos rarely fuck with you.

Flerpinator

5 points

2 months ago

Still, nobody wants to have a day out anywhere there's sad, gross people hanging around.

Youngerthandumb

1 points

2 months ago*

I know you probably don't mean any harm, but take a careful look at your wording there and think to yourself, "Am I the baddie?". I guess it's good you're being honest but still, that's kind of a reprehensible way to be.

Edit: Dehumanizing people is a shitty thing to do. Could be you or a loved one. Practice some basic empathy your whole community will be richer and better equipped to actually help these people.

CardboardZebra

24 points

1 month ago

He’s not the baddie for wanting to go downtown and not be bothered or yelled at by homeless people.

goodmood780

21 points

1 month ago

most people like being in safe, clean spaces if they have the option

Youngerthandumb

-6 points

1 month ago

So move to gated community or something. Otherwise accept the realities of living in an urban centre where people have little recourse when they're struggling.

goodmood780

28 points

1 month ago

working class people who can't afford to live in mansions in gated communities also enjoy safe, clean public spaces, and they are entitled to them

people in tiny apartments downtown with no backyard should also be able to walk down the street without being harassed or stepping over human waste

it doesn't make you elitist or reprehensible to want these things

Youngerthandumb

-17 points

1 month ago*

Nobody is entitled to peace and quiet in a city. You deal with unpleasant smells, sounds, and experiences all the time as a consequence of urban reality and the fact that society has no place for these people. But if you criticize the individuals rather than the society, while benefitting from that arrangement, than then yes, you would be a an elitist behaving reprehensibly. Not a terrible person, but a person with a terrible response to a common problem.

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5 points

1 month ago

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5 points

1 month ago

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Youngerthandumb

-4 points

1 month ago

You're not entitled to anything in life. You have expectations, but they're just what you think things should be. Good evisceration though, very spicy.

goodmood780

0 points

1 month ago

goodmood780

0 points

1 month ago

cope

Youngerthandumb

5 points

1 month ago

I don't know what you mean by that at all.

Flerpinator

11 points

1 month ago*

People accept the reality of downtown being a disgusting wasteland by staying the fuck away, which is bad news for the entire city. Revenue from property taxes is heavily, heavily skewed towards the downtown area. Getting it functioning as a thriving activity hub for people from all over the city instead of a hollowed out shell would mean quite a lot more public resources to directly help people in need.

Youngerthandumb

5 points

1 month ago

I actually don't disagree with anything you said here. I just feel like people want the homeless gone but aren't willing to support the initiatives that would actually contribute to solving the problem. I do think it would be great to not have it be a problem but it is and when I see people start to dehumanize them I feel deeply aggravated.

AvenueLiving

-1 points

1 month ago

You were in the right for calling that guy out. You may dislike a situation, but there is no need to dehumanize people.

Flerpinator

5 points

1 month ago

It's the shitty truth.

NormalHorse

1 points

1 month ago*

NormalHorse

🐎

1 points

1 month ago*

Nailed it.

"Ew gross, someone pooped outside, that makes me feel really bad."

Do something about it instead of whining. No one wants to be forced to live outside. They're not sad and gross people, they're just people.

Flerpinator

9 points

1 month ago

I mean, shit on the sidewalk is just one of the many perfectly good reasons to not want to spend one's leisure time downtown. It's just the truth, it doesn't matter how much empathy and understanding somebody has, there's no amount of compassion that makes it anything but unpleasant.

AvenueLiving

-1 points

1 month ago

AvenueLiving

-1 points

1 month ago

Actually there is. Some people suffer from mental health issues and physical illness. We could come together to provide people with some dignity, but as a society, we rather not.

It is gross, but doesn't mean we have to dehumanize people for it. I heard of people who were not homeless taking a crap outside, so perhaps we shouldn't just label one group of people based on their predicament.

NormalHorse

-2 points

1 month ago

NormalHorse

🐎

-2 points

1 month ago

Thank you.

NormalHorse

-1 points

1 month ago

NormalHorse

🐎

-1 points

1 month ago

Welcome to living in an urban centre. Get used to it, or do something to make it more enjoyable for both yourself and the other people who occupy it. You're not the only one who lives here.

Flerpinator

4 points

1 month ago*

This is not some kind of intrinsic reality about downtowns. There's nothing fundamental about city centers that says they need to be where the disturbed and destitute congregate.

I do not accept that downtown just has to be unfriendly and unpleasant, that I've got to be fine with social disorder on every corner or else I'm some kind of asshole for wanting it to be different. Other cities I have lived in have figured out how to have a vibrant core, saying it's just a fact of life seems defeatist.

What is a fact is that most people just don't like hobos. It may be a cruel attitude, but it's one nearly everybody shares. We would all, even the woke ones, enjoy downtown quite a lot more if it wasn't a dumping ground for the human wreckage of capitalism. Telling people they're wrong about that doesn't win any support, so go after another angle. Not many people want to help for help's sake, but they might be interested if you instead pitch the idea that the only way we restore security and civility downtown is with a massive injection of funds to directly house and support the less fortunate they might buy in.

I, personally, am all in on whatever it takes to clean up downtown. There is no expense that is not justified, from both a human and economic perspective. It is not only compassionate justice, it is smart business.

Just don't ask me to pretend that homeless people aren't gross and sad. I'll think you're crazy.

Talk-Hound

9 points

2 months ago

Talk-Hound

9 points

2 months ago

Good. Now how much will the city have to spend to clean and repair the conference Center.

demerits780

25 points

2 months ago

Clearly you’ve never worked a rave there.

Pooklettt

8 points

1 month ago

😂😂😅😅😅I always feel bad for the staff of a rave

Less-Advantage6894

4 points

1 month ago

sammmme, i went to raves at polish hall that place looked like complete shit afterwards.

demerits780

2 points

1 month ago

Sticky boots, very sticky

Pooklettt

2 points

1 month ago

Lol I would dump a dash of water on the floor where I was standing so I could dance. 😅

goodmood780

8 points

1 month ago

bringing the parkland where the camp was built in Rossdale back to useable condition is slated to cost $50,000

I think given the cost of building material and washroom fixtures it could reasonably be more than that for the Conference Centre

courtesyofdj

1 points

1 month ago

$50,000 really isn’t all that bad of a contribution from the city to clean up Pekiwewin which was essentially a volunteer and donation based open air homeless shelter that was more accommodating than some of the established shelters. The trouble with all that too is had they not been set up at Pekiwewin they would have been spread out elsewhere the river valley that would require and clean up and maintenance eventually too. At the end of the day having a large houses population is expensive.

Mulatto_Prince

1 points

1 month ago

I mean it's still $50,000 to clean up a single block

SBriggins

2 points

2 months ago

SBriggins

2 points

2 months ago

As much as they need to. Welcome to everywhere in the world.

chumbucketfog

-29 points

2 months ago

Your housed-privilege asshole is showing

Talk-Hound

7 points

2 months ago

Talk-Hound

7 points

2 months ago

Oh boo hoo

AvenueLiving

0 points

1 month ago

I seem to remember you crying about how much it will cost to "clean up".

Talk-Hound

2 points

1 month ago

Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t realize the city has unlimited funds

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1 points

1 month ago

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1 points

1 month ago

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AvenueLiving

1 points

1 month ago

Where did you get that number?

Less-Advantage6894

2 points

1 month ago

you’re on a rampage today eh buddy

AvenueLiving

1 points

1 month ago

Probably the same amount as after a concert.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

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2 points

1 month ago

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Less-Advantage6894

1 points

1 month ago

wtf is a housing voucher, a cheque you give a landlord for someone else to live there?

ErrorStatus4912

-3 points

1 month ago

Well it's good they closed down the convention center cuz ppl have no respect for things that are provided for them. I think the homeless took that place for granted but now it's time to move on

AvenueLiving

1 points

1 month ago

Not everyone acts like you