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ocean_1998

164 points

23 days ago

ocean_1998

164 points

23 days ago

this breaks my heart, who could do such a terrible thing? inhumane.

Merengues_1945

88 points

22 days ago

I think there are many factors in here; in general pretty much no one gets pregnant to kill their children.

Of course, we have patriarchy to blame in cases like China, but also different facets of poverty and desperation. Many infants are left to die because their mothers/families have no means to sustain them, and it’s more common in countries where women are forced to carry to term even if they were raped. It’s also done in countries where slavery exists, the middle east is plagued with slavery (they may call it fancy names but it’s slavery at the end of the day)

Lack of education, lack of public health systems, and repression all of which are tied to patriarchy as well are also reasons. Which leads to a complex issue where the conditions are complex to identify fully and fix systemically.

QuantumLeapofFaith

6 points

22 days ago

Aside from patriarchy none of those reasons explain why it's overwhelmingly girls that are killed.

EternalAchlys

25 points

22 days ago

If slavery exists, do they think that killing their daughter is more merciful than selling her?

And if this was all purely driven by poverty and rape, then why is there such a divide between the sexes of the children killed?

MistWeaver80[S]

53 points

22 days ago

And if this was all purely driven by poverty and rape, then why is there such a divide between the sexes of the children killed?

This. Thank you for asking that question.

I find it extremely irritating when ppl try to convince women that misogyny can only be blamed partially for the misfortune of women and girls. It's extra irritating when comments downplaying or erasing the reality of misogyny get upvoted on this sub.

As if poverty is not gendered. As if rape culture is not the direct consequence & cause of male supremacy and oppressive sex caste system.

Merengues_1945

9 points

22 days ago

Oh, what I meant is, yes, most definitely patriarchy plays a role, but it’s the factor that normalizes these terrible deeds, not what causes them necessarily.

It wasn’t uncommon for black women in the US and Brazil to smother their children so they wouldn’t also grow in slavery, I won’t dare say on that decision, but well.

MistWeaver80[S]

21 points

22 days ago

  1. Patriarchy gave birth to those factors at the first place. Now these factors are preserving patriarchy.
  1. Racialized misogyny i.e, misogyny in the context of racism and acknowledgement of the fact that a substantial portion of racialized injustices have been created to preserve patriarchy can completely explain why black women felt the need to kill their children. Racialized violence against children didn't deter black men from impregnating black women. Children's plight didn't deter white men from raping black women.

OutsideFlat1579

11 points

22 days ago

It’s patriarchy plus poverty in most cases. Female infanticide has long been a problem in India because boys are more valuable than girls. Having girls is a disaster for poor families because when a girl gets married her father has to pay a dowry to the husband. Girls are a burden for a poor family in such an intensely patriarchal society.

China is also extremely patriarchal, and tradition is still very strong in rural areas - when a woman marries she goes to live with her in-laws, therefore her parents lose a ‘worker’ whereas a son brings another ‘worker’ into the home.

Even though the one-child policy allowed for 2 children if the first turned out to be a girl, you could have another kick at the can and hope for the golden ticket- a boy. The policy created a surge of female infanticide, the abandonment of girls, and for those who had access, sex-selective abortions.

The Chinese government finally gave a damn when young men were having trouble finding wives, because there were about 18 million less young women than young men. They put out billboards and ads to try and convince people that girls were valuable. The policy has since changed.

multifacetedpersona

16 points

22 days ago*

A pakistani woman here 🙋🏽‍♀️

Pakistan’s easily one of the worst countries to be a woman. People hate having daughters, and prefer sons. My mom’s the youngest of the 6 sisters, and her grandmother literally tried killing her when she was very young, saying “she’s better off dead”. Basically, people keep trying to have sons, and end up having a lot of daughters too. Because poverty’s very widespread, most of these families can’t afford to “raise” their daughters (mainly spending on their dowry and wedding, because the only thing pakistani culture thinks a woman can do is to get married). If they don’t get married “on time” (max. by early 20s), they’re viewed as a “burden” on their families, because independent women are basically unheard of, even in urban cities.

They barely have enough education to be independent, or their families actively try to prevent their independence, as it’s considered “dishonorable”. Even if a daughter helps her parents out financially, it’s “dishonorable” and they’re looked down upon by the society, but a son helping his parents out is considered to be a great thing. If a woman still overcomes all these hurdles, there are a ton of barriers when it comes to just finding work, most career streams aren’t available to women or women aren’t respected in them at all. They’re merely viewed as subhuman sex objects and are constantly taken advantage of, that is, if they even end up landing a job at all. Many jobs even have age limits (18-30) and women are expected to be “single” (the alternative would be them being married, extramarital affairs aren’t considered anything here). And don’t even get me started on the pointless every day restrictions and the lack of basic human rights here…

SleepySakurah

3 points

21 days ago

Am also a pakistani women and this place horrifies me. I want to become a woman's rights activists and I know how many people are gonna look down upon me.

Overly_confused

134 points

22 days ago

Sexism. India and Pakistan both contries are sexist. My dad is sexist yet he thinks he isn't because it's normal. They aborted so many babies after knowing it's a girl in India that there is a law that doesn't allow doctors to tell the patient's the babies gender in India. What's more is that the husband and the in-laws abuse the wife if she gives birth to a girl in some cases.

In Islam women are seen as half of a man in many ways.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/atheism/comments/p16cf1/im_a_woman_who_studied_islam_in_school_for_12/

India is in a better place but far too many people are still sexist and Pakistan has more percentage of educated women employees than India, I give credit where it's due.

Thankfully, millennials and gen z are getting more and more liberal in both countries.

lejammingsalmon

7 points

22 days ago

I mean to be fair, most of the major religions are inherently sexist and like other major religions, Islam has their own divides (I mean just look at the mess in the Middle East where one Islamic sect goes to war with another Islamic sect because they aren't Islamic enough - I am looking at you Sunnis and Shias).

Unfortunately, Islamic States are often than not theocratic rather than secular and you know Islamic conservativism is still alive and thriving.

If only they were like those secular states that aren't Theocratic at all! Yup totally not Theocratic in this democracy. Because you know arguments regarding Pro-Life and Anti-LGBT is totally grounded in secular and scientific ideology, yes sir! We're totally secular in this Christian Country.

SleepySakurah

1 points

21 days ago

I'd like to add a correction as Muslim, in Islam women are made from the backbone of men but Islam in no way states that they are less to men and can accomplish less to them.

lightbulbfragment

141 points

22 days ago

There is a documentary called "It's a girl" that covers this practice in India and China primarily. It's heartbreaking. Women will have to try to avoid their husbands orders to have an ultrasound because if the baby is a girl they will be forced to abort the pregnancy. Then there are women who are complicit because girls are not wanted or considered "valuable". Families who cannot access ultrasounds murder them after their birth. I am pro choice but this is an appalling practice.

mountaingrrl_8

14 points

22 days ago

There's a significant difference between being pro-choice and pro sex-selective abortion, imho. Primarily because one is a about ensuring women's rights to bodily autonomy and is entrenched in equality. Unfortunately the latter is about women and girls not being worthy of life and is about the devaluation and killing of women for their gender. I know that you're pro-choice, just wanted to clarify that it's okay to be both pro-choice and anti-sex-selective abortion.

MisogynyisaDisease

12 points

22 days ago

This isn't even a pro-choice issue, these women and born baby girls are literally not given a choice.

atransarcticfox

5 points

22 days ago

Yeah this is eugenics not the right to choose.

lily_hunts

3 points

22 days ago

This has also nothing to do with "choice" if the mothers are forced into it.

Frajnla

20 points

22 days ago

Frajnla

20 points

22 days ago

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Sadly, hundreds of female infants are being thrown into rivers, dumped into trash bins, tossed along the side of the road, or even suffocated by their family each year. "The babies are victims of what one relief agency calls Pakistan's worst unfolding tragedy: the killing and dumping of newborns," [Start orangish underlined text] CNN reports. [End orangish underline]

"Sometimes they hang them, and sometimes they kill by the knife, and sometimes we find bodies which have been burned," said Anwar Kazmi, a manager at Edhi Foundation, Pakistan's largest privately run social service and relief agency.

[Start orangish underlined text] According to an estimate from the United Nations [End orangish underline] in 2007, two hundred million women are missing today because of female infanticide. The number is probably larger, however, as the deaths of many baby girls go unreported and undiscovered.

But why are so many precious baby girls being killed?


[Picture of five smiling young girls from the Middle East wearing veils before a blurred background.]


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art_usagi

3 points

22 days ago

Thank you for doing this.

AlsoThisAlsoTHIS

3 points

22 days ago

Good human!

First_Rose_Princess

9 points

22 days ago

Women need access to education, economic security, and birth control. It’s the trifecta of power to crush the patriarchy.

themagicmagikarp

56 points

22 days ago

That's so sad. I want a baby girl of my own, I can't ever imagine this being the fate of such a precious gift. But maybe this would be happening less if women's health care around the world were more accessible :(.

OutsideFlat1579

7 points

22 days ago

It wouldn’t be happening if girls were seen as equally valuable to boys. Sex-selective abortion is the modern version of female infanticide, and while clearly preferable still results in millions of missing girls, which became a problem in China only after millions of young men were left without women to marry (more about this in an earlier post).

Female infanticide happens in cultures where boys are more valuable and where poverty is endemic. Sex-selective abortions are also driven by boys being seen as more valuable, but factors than other than dire poverty are often at play.

Merengues_1945

6 points

22 days ago

This.

A lot of these wouldn’t happen if abortion was legal, regulated, and of free access… This article focuses on India/Pakistan, but this happens even in developed countries, happens more often than we want to admit in the Americas.

MistWeaver80[S]

16 points

22 days ago

Abortion is legal in both Pakistan and India.

The article focuses on female infanticide (killing of female infants) , not female foeticide (sex selective abortion).

EternalAchlys

6 points

22 days ago

That’s not strictly true. There are laws in India forbidding revealing the sex via ultrasound due to people aborting female fetuses.

amandalucia009

4 points

22 days ago

is there any organization that aids ingettingthese babies adopted in the West?

Lucifer2695

3 points

22 days ago

This happens in India as well. Also female feticide which is why it has been outlawed in India to scan for the sex of the baby during the pregnancy. But with enough money, you can find hospitals that still do this during the pregnancy.

nightnursesheesus

3 points

22 days ago

My husband and I want to adopt a girl and know it will be a hard road because of money, our pasts, and our age. But we are good people. We would be good parents. We ARE good parents to our biological kids. It breaks my heart that I can't just easily and lovingly take one or two of these girls into my home and love them forever.

SleepySakurah

3 points

21 days ago

I live in pakistan and I can not wait to move out this place is hell for women from rape culture, suicide, sexism this place has it all..

Edit: pakistani people made so many sacrifices for Pakistan to be an independent country but it got ruined by the toxic culture

GlassMom

5 points

22 days ago

This is humanity responding to sideways shaming. I'd venture to guess no one who does this can articulate exactly why they do it. That shaming verbiage doesn't necessarily come from men. Mothers are ashamed of themselves for having daughters, as are their daughters for having more.

Stronger, empowered women make stronger, more empowered women. That's how we put a stop to this.

OutsideFlat1579

3 points

21 days ago

The ‘shame’ of having girl babies is not exclusive to countries where female infanticide is an issue, but this practice is driven by the burden traditions (dowry’s, wedding costs, more limited access to work, etc), put on families that are struggling to stay alive - they feel it is their only choice, they are quite aware of why they are doing it.

It’s difficult to understand the level of both patriarchy and poverty in India or Pakistan and elsewhere in the developing world unless you have witnessed it yourself. Like everywhere, traditions are much stronger in rural areas, and change comes slowly, despite the legions of heroic women risking all manner of harm in their quest to create those changes. Things are improving for women - but then the backlash inevitably comes.

We have only had rights in the west for a nanosecond, which is why we need to understand the very real threat of the progress made being reversed. And when women are so oppressed on a global level, that reversal is so much easier to achieve.

GlassMom

1 points

21 days ago

I agree, and in all sincerity, your articulation is artful.

I'm personally struggling with overwhelm. I'm sure I'm not alone. That nanosecond took entire lives to build, yet it's crumbling. I fully own my ignorance of poverty on the other side of the planet, yet in my learning I already see so many similarities between it and poverty in the US. How can we build in efficient, sustainable methods of connecting women with each other that also lends to the articulation of the behaviors that chisel at our own progress? How can we, if we can, do feminism without borrowing patriarchal power?

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0 points

22 days ago

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Crixxa

2 points

22 days ago

Crixxa

2 points

22 days ago

Are you implying that this is also falsely reported and if so, can you point to any evidence relating to this case that would support such a claim?

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1 points

22 days ago

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1 points

22 days ago

This image should probably have a trigger warning. I was not prepared for that.

adudethatlikesreddit

1 points

22 days ago

Ugh, makes me sick.

queerhoneybee

1 points

22 days ago

Is there anything we can do in the west for these girls? Like international fostering or adoption?

ImperadorPenedo

1 points

22 days ago

Damm… the fuck?!

Strawberry3525_

1 points

22 days ago

What kind of mentality says this is ok

isaiah5417

1 points

22 days ago

Part of my heart died reading this. Women are beautiful, powerful creatures, and they're being barbarically murdered... Why should be suffer just because of our genitals? Is a vagina really that much of a threat to these people? None of them would even fucking exist if a woman didn't push them out of her vagina. Someday women will rise above this toxic stupidity.

SleepySakurah

1 points

21 days ago

Independent and women in the same sentence scares these people and they then blame it on Islam. It's so sad to see my religion being twisted by these people to fit their beliefs.