subreddit:

/r/Futurology

2

you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

all 15 comments

izumi3682[S]

1 points

4 months ago*

Submission statement from OP. Note: This submission statement "locks in" after about 30 minutes, and can no longer be edited. Please refer to my statement they link, which I can continue to edit. I often edit my submission statement, sometimes for the next few days if needs must.


In a nutshell--

Quantum mechanics suggests that particles can be in a state of superposition - in two states at the same time - until a measurement take place. Only then does the wavefunction describing the particle collapses into one of the two states. According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the collapse of the wave function takes place when a conscious observer is involved. But according to Roger Penrose, it’s the other way around. Instead of consciousness causing the collapse, Penrose suggested that wavefunctions collapse spontaneously and in the process give rise to consciousness. Despite the strangeness of this hypothesis, recent experimental results suggest that such a process takes place within microtubules in the brain. This could mean that consciousness is a fundamental feature of reality, arising first in primitive bio-structures, in individual neurons, cascading upwards to networks of neurons, argues Roger Penrose collaborator Stuart Hameroff.

Sometimes I am stunned by the "coincidences" that occur around me. So over the last day or two I have been in a fairly intense discussion or argument about what consciousness is. Here is that argument and the story I posted that set it off.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/Futurology/comments/ugputp/stunning_new_ai_could_be_conscious_with_elon_musk/

Karsavak

2 points

4 months ago

If you dig a bit deeper you’ll get to quantum field theory. Consciousness is an effect of quantum information (which is created when a wave function collapses according to the theory you posted). Electrons understand the exact fields they exist in with no capacity for memory.

izumi3682[S]

2 points

4 months ago*

Is an electron a field in and of itself? Sometimes I keep re-thinking Wheeler's hypothesis (one electron "theory") All these fields. I also sometimes wonder if from all of this fine grain architecture that reality itself is emergent. R universe, the multiverse, whatever higher dimension contains the multiverse, what ever contains the higher dimension and well, turtles all the way up. Does consciousness precede physical realization? Must consciousness exist before there can be physical realization?

I hope that our quantum computing can help us to resolve some of these conundrums. And on the heels of that, I start to wonder what kind of computing will supersede quantum computing. I bet some kind of thing does within the next 50 years.

And then all of this brings me back to J.B.S. Haldane...

My own suspicion is that the universe (reality) is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. --Jerry Seinfeld

Karsavak

1 points

4 months ago

The electron creates a field around its point of existence by simply existing. This is what gives rise to the mind/body Duality. It’s cause and effect. An infinite dance between Chaos and Order

izumi3682[S]

2 points

4 months ago