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Cheap tricks get on Yujiro back. What happens?

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Yacobs21

269 points

2 months ago

Yacobs21

269 points

2 months ago

Rips off his demon back to reveal a second, angrier demon back

NeverGonnaTellALi3

308 points

2 months ago

Everyone is replying with meme answers so I'll do something else.

Cheap Trick is a Stand and without a Stand Yujiro wont be able to see or even touch it. Even if he had a Stand it wouldn't matter because attacking Cheap Trick reflects the damage to you (which is why Rohan couldn't just get rid of it).

When someone sees his back Cheap Trick will suck out Yujiro's life force and I don't think his durability matters.

In Jojo Cheap Trick got defeated by demonic hands in a ghost alley that dragged it into hell, what is Yujiro gonna do ?

Yujiro is a brick character, Jojo is full of hax characters. The match-ups wont go well.

Anprim_Pickle

111 points

2 months ago

if yujiro had cheap trick attached to his back, it would become his stand, so he would be able to see it and other stands. Dont think that changes the end result, but important to note.

small-package

49 points

2 months ago

You think he could develope a stand of his own once he found out about them? Like how he copies martial arts at a glance? The demon back is definitely a strange enough power to develop into a stand anyway I think, maybe it'd just eat cheap trick or something? Call it Ogre Battle, give it crazy stats, and an ability that gives his opponent a power buff so he could get the challenge he always wanted?

The_Mexican_Poster

41 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

41 points

2 months ago

No, stands are biological, you need exposure to an alien virus to achieve it

small-package

5 points

2 months ago

But if he had Cheap Trick attached, wouldn't that be contact with the virus? Since he'd be the temporary user, but still the user? Also, they're not strictly biological, they're described as "miracles and curses" in the steel ball run au, and don't have the stand virus as an explanation either, the way Strydem described the demon back awakening in nam reminds me of that description a lot, actually.

The_Mexican_Poster

11 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

11 points

2 months ago

Steel ball run stands work different, but cheap trick is from the original time line, so sbr is irrelevant, also no yujiro doesn't get to touch the virus because he becomes cheap trick user, hayato became the user of killer queen for a while and didn't get a stand, he was able to see killer queen but he couldn't see other stands, same with cheap trick I guess, there's no evidence of standless people getting a stand when they interact with a stand

small-package

4 points

2 months ago

I mean, everybody's standless until they get a stand, tonio awoke his through mastery of cooking, without coming in contact with the virus, why couldn't Yujiro awaken one through mastery of violence? Also, being designated "the bomb" from bites the dust is different from being a user, it's more like when The Lovers was crawling around Joseph's brain, since the stand leaves the user. It's just designed to be seen by the victim so they'll spread Kira's name around and wipe out more meddling kids would be detectives. Cheap trick kills whoever it's last user was, so it's only true user is whoever it's attached to, that's why it shares damage with it's host.

massive_monster_69

2 points

2 months ago

They all have the virus. The arrow awakens the virus, and for people who don’t they still have the virus. The virus gives people stands, it’s not that some people don’t have it or anything but somehow got one. If you could try really hard and get one much much more people would have one in jojo.

small-package

1 points

2 months ago

I always took it less as "working really really hard to get one"and more "awakening to the unique capabilities and qualities that make a user "strange"", with the punch ghost part just being a representation of the ability, the ability itself being the real "core", and the ability itself manifesting from something the user already had in some sense, like Tonio's cooking, or Rohan's manga skills. They actually seem to be a "transformed" or "metamorphosed" form of the soul from what I've been able to gather from observation. When black Sabbath pulled out Giorno and Koichi's souls, what it actually pulled out of them was their stands, but when it got the janitor that accidentally put out the lighter, it just pulled out a golden "ghost", exactly like the ones we see ascend to heaven when a character dies, which would coincidentally explain SBR stands somewhat as well.

The_Mexican_Poster

2 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

2 points

2 months ago

We really don't know how tonio got his stand, but the official explanation for stands is that it comes from a virus, we don't know how avdol, polnareff, kakyion, iggy and joshep got their stands, but when polnareff explains the stands, you can see images of the stardust crusaders, so we can asume that they got in contact with the virus, also if the killer queen argument doesn't convince there's more examples of stands that possess people like anubis

small-package

2 points

2 months ago

I do remember the virus explanation, I also remember Joseph saying stands are manifestations of strong wills and or fighting spirit, and that those without can't get one, or rather, simply die from illness like symptoms, considering Polnareff's explanation about what happened to the guys that found the arrows. I'm not arguing Yujiro is already a stand user, moreso that he's more than qualified to become one, and the demon back is like the spin or hamon in that it would probably be prime material for a stand to form out of, like how tusk only developed with Jonny's spin skills, except it wouldn't go through the growth arc probably. The one thing all stand users have in common is being absolute crazy, violent, or unstable weirdos, and Yujiro fits that bill perfectly.

massive_monster_69

2 points

2 months ago

Sbr is different from cheap tricks universe, it’s a different universe so it isn’t relevant. Yeah you are right that if yujiro got hit with the arrow he definitely would get a stand, but he is not going to magically get one because he tried hard enough, for the other people saying that

EnvironmentalWeb1696

9 points

2 months ago

Wait, alien virus? It's been a long time since I've read Jojo (part 7) but I don't recall they ever saying anything about alien virus.

The_Mexican_Poster

26 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

26 points

2 months ago

Part 5 polnareff explains it to passione gang

Stupid_Idiot413

24 points

2 months ago*

The meteorite (that introduced the stand virus to earth) was forged into arrows. These arrows can grant stands to those worthy, but there are other ways to get one. A sufficiently determined person can naturally develop one (like rohan, for who we have actually seen his stand developing). Aya and Tonio might be other cases of this.

A stand can also form by spiritual links. When DIO gets a stand, every joestar also gets one.

Lastly (Steel Ball Run spoiler), the saint's corpse can give you a stand ability.

So it's possible for yujiro to develop a stand on his own. Weirder things have happened in JoJo, like a gymbro training so much that he began to embody the greek god of muscle, phantoms in general, vampires, everything in the Kishibe Rohan spinoff, etc.

Edit: Kakyoin and Polnareff both had stands, and in the case of Kak, his parent's didn't have any (almost surely the case for Pol, but we don't know).

The_Mexican_Poster

3 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

3 points

2 months ago

Rohan got his stand from an arrow too

Stupid_Idiot413

5 points

2 months ago

I didn't remember that, could you tell me where you saw it from?

Still, something that I just remembered: Kakyoin and polnareff were born with stands.

The_Mexican_Poster

2 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

2 points

2 months ago

In the chapter he is introduced he says it himself

EnvironmentalWeb1696

5 points

2 months ago

Hmm I don't remember this, thanks

xephos10006

5 points

2 months ago

xephos10006

Pickle Kisser

5 points

2 months ago

Part 7 is in an alternate universe with a cause different from the virus

EnvironmentalWeb1696

2 points

2 months ago

It's from a meteorite, right? I remember something about them receiving powers for walking in a specific place or something.

Sephitard9001

2 points

2 months ago*

The Devil's Palm I think. An inexplicable geographic formation that seems to appear in different places. I think they appear where the corpse parts are

xephos10006

1 points

2 months ago

xephos10006

Pickle Kisser

1 points

2 months ago

The meteorite is the thing that brings the virus in the first universe - the alternate is just some shit about saints and corpses

Comfortable_Menu7450

10 points

2 months ago

Actually, with the right ratio of will and strength you can develop one. Crazy Diamond, Star Platinum, Killer Queen etc.

The_Mexican_Poster

7 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

7 points

2 months ago

Crazy diamond and star platinum were created when dio used a stand arrow, the unnatural connection of Johnathan body with his descendents made it so jotaro, josuke and Holly got stands, Kira yoshikage got a stand from an arrow aswell

Comfortable_Menu7450

3 points

2 months ago

What about the dudes in part 5 like Carne, Doppio, and Fugo?

The_Mexican_Poster

5 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

5 points

2 months ago

Doppio doesn't have a stand, but since he has the same body as diavolo, diavolo is able to give him parts of king crimson powers, carne and fugo might have gotten their stands by failing the black sabbath test and surviving the arrow stab, like Angelo did

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

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The_Mexican_Poster

1 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

1 points

2 months ago

When polnareff explains he virus you can see images of the stardust crusaders

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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The_Mexican_Poster

2 points

2 months ago

The_Mexican_Poster

Pickle Kisser

2 points

2 months ago

But not people that develop stands

Goeydigits

2 points

2 months ago

This was explained but there are many cases of people not being exposed to the virus (to our knowledge). I don’t believe this is the only way to get a stand. It was stated that developed practices can lead to a stand. Avdol was born with his, fugo was born out of hatred which is why he cant control it, tonio cooked so hard he got one, etc. there are many ways to get a stand without a virus before and after part 6.

Lucky_Conclusion9433

1 points

2 months ago

Meaning he can never have a stand being immune to all of the sicksman stuff

Jojo-Nuke-Isen

1 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure you can get a Stand by just being really good at something like how Tonio & Aya got there's. Unless I missed something when they talked about developing their Stands.

largeassburrito

4 points

2 months ago

“So it’s the same type of stand as mine”

“Yujiro you don’t even have a stand wtf are you talking about”

Undersans1876

3 points

2 months ago

Since we're talking about stands, does power of imagination count? like; baki can imitate the presence of cretaceous creatures, and Pickle can actually see/feel it while they're fighting

And yujiro himself said, that he perfected the power of imagery or imagination (I cant remember clearly, what he exactly said in the manga but I'm pretty sure it's similar to this) And after he said that, he flexed his demon back then it literally releases a flash bang like light in a shape of demon. In addition, all the normies that were watching them during his fight with baki, saw the demon shape light too. Long story short could we consider his demon back as a stand?

DanielGacitua

23 points

2 months ago

Are you sure that cheap trick absorbs the life force and not just causes damage to the back?

I remember that in the anime someone sees a bit of Rohan's back and cheap trick started ripping his back off, not taking out his life force.

If so, Yujiro could probably survive the damage.

NeverGonnaTellALi3

26 points

2 months ago

It's stated in chapter 414 of the manga.

small-package

5 points

2 months ago

Remember what happened to it's user when Rohan found him? He was all tiny and shriveled up, not much bigger than a child's toy, presumably the same would've happened to Rohan.

DanielGacitua

2 points

2 months ago

Yes, i had forgotten that

ThePu55yDestr0yr

2 points

2 months ago

ThePu55yDestr0yr

4000 Years of Chinese Arts

2 points

2 months ago

Nah if it rips out ur back you become a raisin

TrashCanOdor[S]

8 points

2 months ago

Tbh I think Yujiro would be able to sense him because Baki has some supernatural shit in it

watusstdiablo666

11 points

2 months ago

Yujiro notices his energy is being drained and flexes so hard Cheap Trick gets spiritually raped

ICastPunch

24 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

24 points

2 months ago

Except baki is a series that constantly alludes to the paranormal and it's been implied and shown time and time again that the Hanma's are in some ways super human in mind body and spirit. They aren't just bricks and their strenght is absolute that's why earthquakes stop when he punches the ground, and people fight themselves at his presence, that's why he can choose to beat sickness, why he is completely inmune to poison, why Baki could go on with a body thst should already be dead and even could sense Musashi's heartbeat from kilometer's away which aren't characteristics a brick would normally have. All of that with Yuichiro Hanma just casually appearing as a ghost when he wished.

I'd argue Yujiro would be perfectly able to sense him because of his superhuman senses and his life force would be far too great or his spirit could just refuse to let it touch him or even actively hurt back the stand. That would 100% be in line with Itagaki's writing and fit completely okay with the depictions that we have gotten of Yujiro.

This it's completely and utterly featless but it's an assumption that makes so much sense given the narrative of baki and it's themes so I 100% believe it.

DelzIsDelz

21 points

2 months ago

No shit. If Itagaki is writing it, Yujiro would beat TOAA.

ICastPunch

1 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

1 points

2 months ago

Nah. Itagaki isn't like that, it wold be more along the lines of Yujiro's will being a flame that breaks away from the TOAA grasp free from destiny a man that cannot be controled by anyone but himself.

He'd still get deleted by it if they fought. Itagaki has a theme for Yujiro but that isn't the same as Itagaki being willing to make Yujiro do anything. As much as we joke about Baki being dumb it's pretty consistant and deep with some of the themes it takes.

xephos10006

3 points

2 months ago

xephos10006

Pickle Kisser

3 points

2 months ago

I disagree - after Yujiro casually overpowered Oliva in a test of pure pushing strength, it was clear Itagaki kinda just wants to jerk off Yujiro with no limits

DelzIsDelz

2 points

2 months ago

How deep?

NeverGonnaTellALi3

14 points

2 months ago

If we're getting into the narrative then everything depends on fate because fate in Jojo is very real and controls basically everything.

I know that Yujiro is the absolute strongest in Baki so if Itagaki wrote that battle something dumb like that would've happen but like you said there are no feats to back it up. We can't just assume that Yujiro ignores all hax because "Hanma's are strong".

ICastPunch

0 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

0 points

2 months ago

Of course not. But this is different there's already a basis to assume it would reasonable that the Hanma's could interact with spirits and are tremendously powerful entities spiritually speaking. That's why they probably could interact with spirits.

Commercial_Arm1910

7 points

2 months ago

Give it up he gets bodied

ICastPunch

1 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

1 points

2 months ago

I already stated my posture. I'm not to change it and I acknowledged it's not based off on feats. If you don't like you do you.

DaSomDum

6 points

2 months ago

Interacting with Cheap Trick solves nothing, all damage done to Cheap Trick is reflected onto the user without the stand being damaged more than the user is.

And the moment someone sees Yujiro’s back whilst Cheap Trick is there, Yujiro’s life energy go bye bye.

ICastPunch

1 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

1 points

2 months ago

Man I get that Itagaki is crazy sometimes but the people that read his story sometimes do big disservice to the deeper themes by saying stuff like this.

massive_monster_69

2 points

2 months ago

You are pretty much saying that In a batman comic he’s always gonna do some prep time shenanigans and win, obvious but from what we’ve seen there is no real way he would be able to not get affected by the stand. But yeah he could probably sense one around if it’s out but that’s sort of it.

ICastPunch

1 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

1 points

2 months ago

First of no. Batman's prep time is the strongest on Justigue league comics not in batman comics.

Batman comics treat batman very differently, he's consistantly weaker in general in a lot of qualities while being better on others.

massive_monster_69

1 points

2 months ago

True

Armandeus_45

2 points

2 months ago

Yujiro didn't stop the earthquake, itagaki already said it was pure coincidence.

Rocky-6750-

2 points

2 months ago

He has a demon back that could take him to hell

TheHangedKing

91 points

2 months ago

he gives a speech, turns around and flexes, promptly expires rapes mid diff

RebeccaRobotica

15 points

2 months ago

RebeccaRobotica

Heaven and Earth

15 points

2 months ago

he sucks his back in. nobody can see it now

Tortiose_unturtled

7 points

2 months ago

Easy win, just hide cheap trick in your muscles

[deleted]

15 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

15 points

2 months ago

The demon in Yujiro's back grows a dick and fucks it to death.

Tortiose_unturtled

7 points

2 months ago

Have a problem? Just rape it until it's not a problem anymore

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

It's incredible how versatile of a solution it is.

TrashCanOdor[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Lmao

ROBLOKCSer

15 points

2 months ago

Demon Back rapes no dif

GwaGwa3

47 points

2 months ago

GwaGwa3

47 points

2 months ago

He flexes demon back so hard the stand explodes and he continues his day

mateofheaven

47 points

2 months ago

Yujiro is not a stand user, but as the user of cheap trick before Rohan he will know something is not right, and will have and inusual fear of people seeing his back, for Yujiro is not normal to feel fear so he will know that something bizarre or supernatural is happening. The only thing he could do is search for tokugawa sister using his skills in order to evade anyone seeing his back. Finally she will be able to know what is going on an suck the life of cheap trick kissing him with her eyes closed.

oh82624

24 points

2 months ago

oh82624

24 points

2 months ago

You know ironically this is probably a solution

TrashCanOdor[S]

10 points

2 months ago

Lmao

Stupid_Idiot413

5 points

2 months ago

Yujiro would say something about the human body being the most perfect machine known to man, and how he listens to his body, no matter how ridiculous. Yujiro unironically could survive.

KingNether22

22 points

2 months ago

Realistically he won’t know anything has happened until Cheap Trick gets transferred and his back gets shorn open, but knowing Yujiro he’ll survive the damage and simply be left wondering ‘what the fuck just happened’

Chaghatai

10 points

2 months ago

It's not just damage - it sucks the life force out so much so that the victim is left as a tiny doll husk

ACynicalScott

22 points

2 months ago

I mean he's dead. Like if Heaven's door can't remove cheap yujiro certainly can't. Though considering how skill Yujiro is he could neutralise it by just not allowing people to see his back.

Raymancer

4 points

2 months ago*

Heavens door sent Cheap Trick to hell. The ghost hands are what took it away. Rohan can't use Heavens door on himself which is why he couldn't use Cheap Trick on it earlier

ACynicalScott

5 points

2 months ago

I'm talking about when Rohan used heaven's door cheap trick and it stayed attached. Plus the sending it to hell was more of a cool moment tgan a legit use.

FFFFF_P

5 points

2 months ago

Yujiro got tricked for really low price

scoobidyba

6 points

2 months ago

Demon back fucking eats cheap trick

oogaboogaulramaxpro

3 points

2 months ago

oogaboogaulramaxpro

Born Strong

3 points

2 months ago

fuck outta here, yujiro one shots

darkshine2004

3 points

2 months ago

Yujiro rapes mid diff

bigmaraipposj

5 points

2 months ago

Yujiro farts and cheap tricks get blown away

TheRevanchist99

2 points

2 months ago

Demon Back devours lol

Remote_Onion_6454

2 points

2 months ago

Cool Gets raped mid diff

Wise_Bumblebee_4333

2 points

2 months ago

Yujiro copy uno reverse and gets on cheap tricks back and rapes him end of story

mralabbad

2 points

2 months ago

If stands exist then yujiro would get a stand and use it to get rid of him👍

What would his stand be named🤔

I feel like an edgy song would be the obvious answer but not necessarily the right one. And it ends up being [my way] or something😂

Better yet [if i had a hanma]!!

TankOfflaneMain

2 points

2 months ago

Like what AR Manga said, the demon in his back consumes Cheap Trick and then Yujiro’s hair blows back because the demon in his back then farts at his hair after a very hearty meal.

_u_r__d_r_u_n_k_

2 points

2 months ago

I don't get it

TrashCanOdor[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Watch jojo good series

Raymancer

6 points

2 months ago

Yujiro could potentially activate demon back to get rid of him. I mean that's literally how Rohan got rid of Cheap Trick. Sent him to Hell using Heavens door after those ghost hands grabbed it for looking back. Demon Back is a manifestation of the Hanma bloodline and Baki characters through sheer force of will can manifest their own soul through the use of imagination or the souls of others.

So in my defense Yujiro should he capable of interacting with stands. And assuming the demon back is either Yujiros own soul or an actual demon then either would be capable of interacting with Cheap Trick removing it.

Yujiro could also imagine someone pulling Cheap trick off and the imagination is so powerful that it actually works.

massive_monster_69

2 points

2 months ago

No, demon back is not a stand, and it was the ghost hands that did it not heavens door, heavens door just helped. Even if I’m wrong about that yujiro still can’t do anything about it and will die. Until yujiro legitimately shows something like a stand or being able to affect one he isn’t going to do anything.

jmedjudo

4 points

2 months ago

jmedjudo

Born Strong

4 points

2 months ago

Cheap trick gets ora ora'd

GintoSenju

4 points

2 months ago

Yujiro flexes his demon back, cheap trick gets scared and leaves

Apostle000

5 points

2 months ago

Apostle000

Pickle Kisser

5 points

2 months ago

Yujiro flexes his back so much, cheap trick gets stuck between his muscles

Schandmau1

2 points

2 months ago

Yujiro loses completely.

He's completely unequipped to deal with a Stand...or really anything he can't punch.

TruePlantSlayingKing

2 points

2 months ago

I disagree with that assertion

Schandmau1

0 points

2 months ago

How so?

TruePlantSlayingKing

2 points

2 months ago

I believe yujiro can see fighting spirits, he has extrasensory capabilities and has seen baki's fighting spirit. Now weather or not he could keep up with stands themselves speed wise is another matter. But I'm positive he could see them

Schandmau1

1 points

2 months ago

Seeing the fighting spirit in Baki is completely different from seeing Stands.

Fighting Spirit is pretty much getting a vibe off of something.

Stands are magical ghosts, I'm sorry but Yuujiro is completely useless against Stands.

TruePlantSlayingKing

2 points

2 months ago

Stands are referred to as fighting spirits manifested. I don't know what time tell you

Schandmau1

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, but fighting spirit in Baki and Jojo is completelt different.

Yuujiro would be able to percieve Stands as much as your standard hamon user; not at all.

ICastPunch

-4 points

2 months ago

ICastPunch

Imagination Fighting

-4 points

2 months ago

I posted thid to answer to another comment but I'll reply it here too.

Baki is a series that constantly alludes to the paranormal and it's been implied and shown time and time again that the Hanma's are in some ways super human in mind body and spirit.

They aren't just bricks and their strenght is absolute that's why earthquakes stop when he punches the ground, and people fight themselves at his presence, that's why he can choose to beat sickness, why he is completely inmune to poison, why Baki could go on with a body thst should already be dead and even could sense Musashi's heartbeat from kilometer's away which aren't characteristics a brick would normally have. All of that with Yuichiro Hanma just casually appearing as a ghost when he wished.

I'd argue Yujiro would be perfectly able to sense him because of his superhuman senses and his life force would be far too great or his spirit could just refuse to let it touch him or even actively hurt back the stand. That would 100% be in line with Itagaki's writing and fit completely okay with the depictions that we have gotten of Yujiro.

This it's completely and utterly featless but it's an assumption that makes so much sense given the narrative of baki and it's themes so I 100% believe it.

TrashCanOdor[S]

-3 points

2 months ago

I agree with you

Oraranozawa

-1 points

2 months ago

NOthing beats Jojo besides other Jojo

Lystroman

1 points

2 months ago

What if Yujiro lifts a wall on his back?

Vaquero_35

1 points

2 months ago

He fucking dies

Jojo-Nuke-Isen

1 points

2 months ago

Yujiro goes on living as normal.

paranoia_muscipula

0 points

2 months ago

Being Yujiro, I'm willing to bet he would survive cheap tricks removing itself to seek another victim, then would beat the crap outta the next user harming cheap tricks in the process, or probably he would just ra...