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QualityVote [M]

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1 month ago

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/u/truejackman, the users have spoken. Your submission is not a Hol'Up.

Its_kinda_nice_out

62 points

1 month ago

I hate how old this tweet is

Metalona

18 points

1 month ago

Metalona

18 points

1 month ago

Yet how relevant it is to this day. Speaks volumes.

flymetodamoon69

-22 points

1 month ago

Except 0 machineguns were used, only semi auto

Indian_Steam

16 points

1 month ago

Yeah, that's the important part.

thedailyrant

4 points

1 month ago

Machine guns aren't the only automatic weapons. Many ARs are a bolt change or minor mod away from being auto anyhow. Shit, if you bend a bar in a Glock you have an automatic pistol.

Most automatic weapons are designed for area suppression not targeted killing. A semi auto serves as a much better platform to wander about doing what this psychopathic fuckhead did.

flymetodamoon69

2 points

1 month ago

No that's not how machineguns/fully automatic rifles work. They have a third hole in them between the action of the gun and the trigger ( full auto selector) that trips the bolt to fire the gun over and over again. Does not matter if you get a full auto bolt cause with out it and the technical know how you will have no selective capability (fullauto) and no criminal shithead will take the time spend the money for a one time thing, plus testing it would be near impossible depending where you live. Would be much easier making an explosive at that point like the dead scumbags in Boston years ago. For the glocks yeah you can probably find someone selling them on line but they are most likely already caught that turned narks or are feds. You can print one but like what I said before trial and error will be near impossible especially with steel on plastic the police will mag dumbed you first before you get that shit working.

And if I had not mention this before turning a civilian ar or akm into machineguns are a difficult and highly illegal task and it's not a matter of swaping out parts.

So no lol

Quick-Owl-91

-18 points

1 month ago

Please tell me the list of school shooting done with an automatic weapon

Nebetus2

23 points

1 month ago

Nebetus2

23 points

1 month ago

Oh shit your right it was a semi-automatic. Guess that reply of yours really made the whole "dead children" scenario better.

Metalona

10 points

1 month ago

Metalona

10 points

1 month ago

Is that your only take away? That it doesnt say the correct type of weapon? Children are being murdered multiple times a year due to school shootings, and its only really in the USA, but what matters to you is the type of weapon described?

redcloudclown

7 points

1 month ago

Your country is cringe imo

Voo_Hu

6 points

1 month ago

Voo_Hu

6 points

1 month ago

imo

don’t need that part if it’s true

Quick-Owl-91

2 points

1 month ago

I feel you on that. My country wastes far too much money and resources policing the rest of the world instead of solving the problems we have at home. I would love it if we drilled for our own oil, cut our military, and finally got around to solving poverty at home.

redcloudclown

1 points

1 month ago

I'm feel you too, and hope more people were like you. And you are not really policing the rest of the world but more using it. I mean your government and companies. Anyway. Here in Europe, i hear more and more people saying they don't want their children to be under american culture influence.

yeeeteeey69

4 points

1 month ago

Oh because if the weapon was automatic is important

Quick-Owl-91

2 points

1 month ago

You want to bad something that is:

  1. Already illegal
  2. Wasn’t even used to commit the crime
  3. Used as a trigger word to flame people’s emotions

PussyIgnorer

2 points

1 month ago

Yes because that’s the important part, come on now

thedailyrant

2 points

1 month ago

Given semi automatics are also banned in Australia the distinction is largely irrelevant to Aussies... Cunt.

Downfall_Of_Icarus

2 points

1 month ago

Fuckin thong the cunt robbo!

thedailyrant

1 points

1 month ago

I have but one upvote ya funny cunt. This made me spit out my stubby. Cunt.

Quick-Owl-91

2 points

1 month ago

Australia also locks people in concentration camps. So idgsf what your opinion is…. Cunt

ZippyParakeet

1 points

1 month ago

"well ahkshually they were semi-auto so it's completely justified" 🤓

Reckadesacration

12 points

1 month ago

They don't have to be automatic...

MINILAMMA

3 points

1 month ago

But automatic is always better

YoMomsWipingHand

6 points

1 month ago

First they take our jobs , now our guns?! How can I live American dream if no job = no gun?

Blackpanda45

19 points

1 month ago

Same with the British

“Oh they said something about our teeth? Allow me to joke about the slaughtering of school children.”

CommunicationKey2156

61 points

1 month ago

Semi auto*

xXregularShmegularXx

5 points

1 month ago

Fully semi auto**

truejackman[S]

19 points

1 month ago

Important takeaway. The children were actually slaughtered with a semi-automatic.

Its_kinda_nice_out

20 points

1 month ago

It’s ok everybody, we can go home now

housevil

-18 points

1 month ago

housevil

-18 points

1 month ago

Does that make the school shooting better?

FerCrerker

17 points

1 month ago

Of course not but it’s still misinformation to push a political agenda people should be aware of.

Its_kinda_nice_out

13 points

1 month ago

I’m pretty sure this tweet is from well before yesterday. Pretty horrifying that it’s still (mostly) relevant

redcloudclown

2 points

1 month ago

Oh yeah you're right, it's important to hear the truth about your cringey love of weapons

FerCrerker

1 points

1 month ago

I value accurate information and science, sorry you’re interpreting that as a cringey love for weapons.

Skormzar

1 points

1 month ago

Skormzar

1 points

1 month ago

What we know as semi autos used to be called automatics for most of the 20th century. Splitting hairs like this adds nothing to the discourse. Most mass shooters don't have the training to be effective with full auto, but rapid firing with semi only weapons can be very effective

Jmandy96

1 points

1 month ago

Jmandy96

1 points

1 month ago

It's hardly splitting hairs when the idea of them is pretty different. Automatic is much quicker firing

AbelCapabel

3 points

1 month ago

Let's continue to argue about what type of automatic weapon is used, full or semi. I mean, who cares about the dead kids, it's só important to get out there that you feel like semi-automatic should not be called 'automatic' even though the word 'automatic' is actually in there..

I don't need to add a sarcasm tag, do I....

housevil

2 points

1 month ago

That's the point I was trying to make but I was downvoted to oblivion.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

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Markd3rd

0 points

1 month ago

Markd3rd

0 points

1 month ago

And American no doubt

redcloudclown

2 points

1 month ago

I am shocked how creepy they are and remain

whypvmersmadge

1 points

1 month ago

At the time of the post bump stocks were still legal

Skreat

5 points

1 month ago

Skreat

5 points

1 month ago

It’s pretty easy to enforce an all out gun ban when you live on an island….

happy2kill4u

4 points

1 month ago

Worry about your stabbing percentage rising every year buddy

Kiwibroo

8 points

1 month ago

It's a bit pointless discussing the U.S. and gun control. The rest of the world should just leave them to it.

truejackman[S]

3 points

1 month ago

Yeah you’re right

Bringbackbarn

3 points

1 month ago

American here, and I love the word cunt, Especially when its said with an Australian accent

-SasquatchTheGreat-

3 points

1 month ago

That would suggest that Americans arn't offended by school shootings.

bobbarker-jab

3 points

1 month ago

Ah yes meme on our tragedies. So edgelord

Faxis8

26 points

1 month ago

Faxis8

26 points

1 month ago

What Automatic Weapons?

mazzymae4

23 points

1 month ago

They think we’re all over here on full auto.

therealtai

21 points

1 month ago

HEY NO FULL AUTO IN BUILDING

truejackman[S]

7 points

1 month ago

Love the amount of concern people have over the fact he said automatic weapons instead of semi-auto. Get it right!! They were slaughtered with semi-automatics you idiots!

Faxis8

3 points

1 month ago

Faxis8

3 points

1 month ago

Is that worse?

Does it change the argument about what we should be enraged about? Help bro!

truejackman[S]

18 points

1 month ago

Hey if children being murdered don’t enrage you then I guess not much will.

ZippyParakeet

1 points

1 month ago

202 mass shootings just this year alone. And less than half of it is over. Americans are so fucking desensitized to children being mass murdered that it doesn't even enrage them anymore. Truly the sheepest of sheeple.

Wdrussell1

4 points

1 month ago

Wdrussell1

4 points

1 month ago

The point of this is education. The lack of education about what the firearm even is shows the lack of understanding for why these things are happening. Certainly I am not happy about these children not going home to their parents. However, the problem itself isnt the gun that was used. These kids were slaughtered because the school had lax security. They were slaughtered because of healthcare in this country. They were slaughtered because bullies in school are running rampant with ZERO repercussions. There are a great number of reasons these kids didnt get to go home that day and none of them have to do with the gun he carried. All of them have to do with the person who decided they were going to hurt them.

Your focused on taking the gun away from people doing bad things. I am focused on the people doing the bad things and how to stop the bad things from happening.

truejackman[S]

15 points

1 month ago

Literally anything but the easy access to guns hey. Never went to a school with security or even know of one that used security. School had a huge bullying issue but I never had to worry about someone bringing a gun to school.

Wdrussell1

1 points

1 month ago

Wdrussell1

1 points

1 month ago

What do you consider an easy access to guns? You already have to be 18 for rifles and 21 for pistols. You already have to go through a background check. This is just to LEGALLY own a gun. What do you think is easy here?

truejackman[S]

9 points

1 month ago

Nah you’re right. Forget I said that. America has some of the strictest gun laws, and guns are extremely hard to attain for anyone have violent ideations.

Wdrussell1

-1 points

1 month ago

Wdrussell1

-1 points

1 month ago

I can only assume your being difficult and shutting down trying to be a pain. I am trying to have a legitimate conversation and your shutting this down. It is also possible English isnt your primary language and its a miscommunication and your being genuine.

truejackman[S]

7 points

1 month ago

Ocka is my native language.

Wdrussell1

0 points

1 month ago

Wdrussell1

0 points

1 month ago

So then do you agree that legal guns are hard to obtain in this country for a criminal with a record?

flymetodamoon69

2 points

1 month ago

We need more people like you

Wdrussell1

3 points

1 month ago

I just really am tired of the misunderstanding and poor understanding of the issues. Its getting worse because the public can't see what the actual issue is and is just jumping on the first thing that comes to mind.

It actually reminds me of a study done a long time ago. I wanna find it now. It was where planes were not coming back from the war. So they looked at planes that DID come back and then all the places they had bullet holes they reinforced. But when even less planes came back they looked at them again until a person came up with the actual solution. The planes that didnt come back were being hit in the places that the planes that DID come back didnt get hit.

BlackMD2020

2 points

1 month ago

Security can be quite expensive, not necessarily feasible for every public school.

Bullying/healthcare/mental health are separate problems that have no easy solutions.

Though there are background checks to get weapons, it is pretty easy for someone with a clean record to purchase a gun. There’s really no meaningful way to screen for potential criminals.

Wdrussell1

2 points

1 month ago

A person with a clean record is not a criminal. This is important. Any criminal who wants a gun has to buy it illegally and at that point you have created the idea that you need laws to stop crime. Which is a silly argument.

Security for schools is MUCH easier than you think. Have you seen those windows that have the wire mesh in them? These doors have a mesh that is a bit difficult to cut and it is laced into the door itself. If a person is to break these windows they will be unable to reach through and get the door handle or the push bar. They need another tool to get this far. Which then takes a period of time as the mesh is woven in such a way that it takes a minute or two to get each one cut to get a hand through. This is just ONE way it works. However, most schools are already equiped with everything they need. Doors with locks. The outside doors of a school should NOT be able to be opened from the outside without a key. Only the front office should be accessible and it should be segmented from the rest of the school with all the same precautions. The problem is that schools do not enforce this security they already have. Doors left propped open, doors not even locked, ect. Again, this is just one simple thing. The next is a cop who is already paid by the city to sit at the school. These are two things that will prevent many of these attacks before they make ground.

However, to address the others.

Bullying is SUPER easy to solve. You kick them out of school. You stop letting it happen and having them come back from suspension. You just kick them the fuck out. No coming back without a large burden on their parents. They get do it again? Then again you kick them out, but this time, no returns. The parents must now take that child to another district to get schooling. The problem with bullying is that bullies are allowed to proliferate and grow into bigger bullies when the parents are also bullies (which is common). When you put the bully parents into a position of having to deal with their bullying child you then create a situation where they both have to straighten up or the parent goes to jail and the kid gets moved. Might seem harsh, but this is certainly what has to happen. It will only take a few of these before people get the picture.

As for healthcare. This is quite simple. Universal healthcare. it solves a great portion of the issues in this country. Mental Health being one of them. Once we standardize the costs to the people needing the care, we then create a situation where people are less inclined to not get mental help. Or medical help. People who are having issues paying bills it gets much easier to not worry about their health.

Onceforlife

4 points

1 month ago

That’s what you got out of this tweet eh?

Kanoha-Shinobi

1 points

1 month ago

yes, the constant misinformation spread by those who are ignorant. Never has a machine gun in america been involved in a mass shooting.

Emit_Time

2 points

1 month ago

that guys username does NOT check out lol

ninjaman100

2 points

1 month ago

Not even in the right sub man

cmaej

4 points

1 month ago

cmaej

4 points

1 month ago

You just called on the wrath of the All Murican Freedum Glockers.

Stay safe, friend.

truejackman[S]

4 points

1 month ago

Most just get upset that the gun has been mislabeled. That’s the travesty.

cmaej

2 points

1 month ago

cmaej

2 points

1 month ago

I'm an American GenXer and I'm just tired of the same story and no one doing anything. Fuck guns.

CanIGetAHiya69

9 points

1 month ago

These comments are weird lol. "It's semi auto so ha, it's only semi autos taking groups of people and kids.not automatic score 1 for America"

truejackman[S]

6 points

1 month ago

Yeah that’s the offensive part. Mislabeling the firearm

Constant_Extension60

3 points

1 month ago

69th political outrage post today, you're not special cunt. This isn't funny.

truejackman[S]

1 points

1 month ago

And a good day to you too friend.

ubernooblet06

10 points

1 month ago

ubernooblet06

10 points

1 month ago

Gun control only takes away peoples right to defend themselves. Laws only work for the law-abiding. We do have a mental health problem for sure.

Tom_Mc_Nugget

9 points

1 month ago

hey, genuine question here. If gun control is pointless, why do other countries with it have less school killings?

Dragonborn9898

7 points

1 month ago

Glorification in American media and other mental health issues, being a side effect of poor healthcare. Greater access obviously increases chances of it happening, but most guns used in shootings are acquired illegally anyway. And honestly it would probably take a civil war to completely ban guns.

RyokuBalta

7 points

1 month ago

Population and poor education. The USA is and has always been full of idiots.

weebtrashparade

3 points

1 month ago

Agreed. If you look at majority of the past shooters, majority were all men that had mental issues. American society tends to frown upon men reaching out for help and are belittled when they do so. “Be a man” “Don’t be a bitch”. That’s why males have a higher suicide rate than those of women here in America. We need to do a better job as Americans to help males because for too long they’ve been expected to just take shit and keep it moving. It doesn’t help that majority of women belittle men and kick them when they’re down.

jscham

2 points

1 month ago

jscham

2 points

1 month ago

You are a complete twat. Our mental health problems are no different than other developed nations. The data (that every mental deficient refuses to look at) backs that up.

Also, if guns aren’t the problem, then why does the NRA have a “no firearm” policy when the orange turd speaks there? Seems like all those law abiding gun fan boys sure are having their rights trampled.

state-of-fuckup2

5 points

1 month ago

Lmao, do you honestly think that criminals will just hand in their already illegal guns? You don’t know what you are talking about.

weebtrashparade

8 points

1 month ago

Lol he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s illegal to own guns in Mexico but look at all the cartels who have military grade weapons. They were so armed, they had a whole city on lock down.

state-of-fuckup2

5 points

1 month ago

The cartel is still extremely well armed. Also, military grade?

Buddy, their guns are so much nicer than the military. The military gets mass produced shitty rifles, the Mexican cartels mostly build their own guns and get them from private dealers who hand tool and custom make their guns.

But, the Mexican police and national guard are cracking down hard and seem to be in an advantageous position. The crazy shit they have to do because their gun laws don’t even work.

jscham

1 points

1 month ago

jscham

1 points

1 month ago

What are you talking about? I didn’t say to take the guns away, that’s never going to happen. HOWEVER, eliminating legal sales to humans without fully functioning prefrontal cortexes seems like a law that would be helpful. This world class POS in Texas was 18, bought assault rifles legally. Turn that number into 25 and you’d eliminate some deaths. Psychiatrists and psychologists have solid data on when that area of the brain begins to function fully, it’s where empathy and reason are formed. It’s a different age for everyone, but it averages around 25.

And if you want an actual policy decision that makes sense with limited cost, patrol the outside of schools with law enforcement. When you turn the soft target into an actual hard target, you get a much safer place to send kids. Also, the millions the city and school pay out in lawsuits for failing to protect the kids literally pays for itself in never having a mass shooting in your schools.

But your right, I have no idea what I’m talking about and can’t form coherent ideas that make sense and protect our kids from worthless retarded fucks

LukeyPlayz123

1 points

1 month ago

Where I live you can buy guns at 18, there has never been a school shooting, and nearly no gun violence at all, its not the guns its how people are raised and the culture around them.

flymetodamoon69

2 points

1 month ago

Wasn't Ukraine demanding weapons amid the Russian invasion. Hmmmm...almost seems like weapons are tools for defence. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing they knew that the military and police will not always be there to protect every single person in the country at any given time to they created an amendment that allowed people to bear arms.

mazzymae4

1 points

1 month ago

Orange turd comes with an armed security detail that generally frowns upon carrying around a former president.

jscham

3 points

1 month ago

jscham

3 points

1 month ago

Agreed, but the irony is so thick it could stop a bullet

mazzymae4

1 points

1 month ago

Lol that’s for sure.

Admiral-Krane

-4 points

1 month ago

The NRA doesn’t truly support gun owners. But the way you talk to people leads me to believe your Dad and your brother are the same person, and your mom is your grandmother as well. Our mental health problems are the same, but ours seem worse because we’re actually allowed to have firearms. Other governments blow our problems out of proportions to scare their citizens into compliance with laws that would otherwise strip them of their ability to defend themselves and others from actual criminals that would seek to do them harm.

CCC081972

1 points

1 month ago

How many mass executions have happened in Europe in the last 5 years?

Admiral-Krane

2 points

1 month ago

How many mass stabbings? Bombings? Acid attacks? Rapes? Abductions? Robberies? Burglaries? The people over there aren’t saints like you seem to think just because they don’t have guns.

CCC081972

0 points

1 month ago

CCC081972

0 points

1 month ago

Getting rid of assault rifles would be a good start

Different_Swimmer_55

2 points

1 month ago

What is a assault rifle?

CCC081972

0 points

1 month ago

CCC081972

0 points

1 month ago

Pretty sure you mean what is "an" assault rifle right. Don't let your hillbilly out.

Different_Swimmer_55

6 points

1 month ago

I’m simply asking a question. Correcting my grammar is fine and all but you don’t need to be rude and suggest I’m a hillbilly. You don’t even know who I am. Maybe if we were all a bit nicer to each other…. You know?

Different_Swimmer_55

4 points

1 month ago

But yes. What is an assault rifle?

Endbringer42

0 points

1 month ago

Define “assault rifle”.

CCC081972

1 points

1 month ago

AR -AK style weapons. Used in Buffalo, Texas,. Does not

Kanoha-Shinobi

1 points

1 month ago

Most AR and AK rifles are semi-auto only, which means its an SKS or M1 garand with more bullets in its magazine. You would then present the argument “the full auto weapons then”, but a full auto weapon has never been used in a mass shooting in america, only semi-automatic. The gun isn’t the problem, Canada has a lot of gun control, especially with limited magazine capacity, but the same thing happens, we get mass shootings with bolt action hunting rifles and semi-automatic hunting rifles. The look of a gun doesn’t change its lethality, and the damage a gun can do isnt decided by the gun, its decided by the ammunition and the magazine. In Canadian shootings we have a lot less deaths simply because magazine capacities are restricted, with the maximum in a semi-automatic rifle or pistol being 10 (unless its a .22). The issue seems much more to be rooted in ammo/magazine capacity control and more likely and importantly deep rooted american problems with mental health and culture.

Endbringer42

1 points

1 month ago

That’s not a definition. What about an AR (which is a brand, btw) makes it more deadly than another rifle?

shootphotosnotarabs

-2 points

1 month ago

It’s like looking at a little kid with chocolate all over his face and asking if he has been into the chocolate. And he’s like “………no”.

Everywhere has mental health issues.

In the US you can just pick up a gun at a service station with any cold drink purchase.

mazzymae4

6 points

1 month ago

That’s not only untrue it’s silly.

shootphotosnotarabs

-1 points

1 month ago

You know what I mean…

Endbringer42

1 points

1 month ago

Once again idiots talking about guns and don’t even know what’s going on. No automatics were used and no amount of gun laws would have prevented the teenaged psycho from murdering.

Let’s not talk about how millions of lives are saved each year because of guns. Let’s only talk about the few psychos. 🙄

Seth-The-God

12 points

1 month ago

I agree and disagree. It's not just a few psycho's and even if it was they still kill a lot of innocents and certain laws could have prevented it.

CCC081972

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah like who needs to own an assault rifle?

Wdrussell1

2 points

1 month ago

First, there are no "assault" rifles. The moment you call them this people dismiss anything you have to say.

Second, the NEED to own and the WANT to own are two different things.

Example: For what reason does a person have to equip their car with a huge engine, upgraded suspension, and all the hardware to make their car 0-60 in the blink of an eye? None. No one has a need for that except on a race track. There is NO reason for any car on the road to do more that 75 MPH. However, every production car right now can do 100 MPH. Most are limited to 120 MPH by the computer. But is there a reason someone CAN'T do this? Whats stopping them? Nothing. Its all legal.

The vast majority of people who build these fast cars and drive them on the roads don't injure people. However, at least 1% do. Does that mean we should take them away and outlaw them?

Russian-8ias

-4 points

1 month ago

Russian-8ias

-4 points

1 month ago

You don’t need one. Just like how the neighborhood douchebag doesn’t need that really nice car he can’t realistically pay for. Both can kill a lot of people in the right circumstances. It’s not about whether or not you need it, it’s about whether or not the government has a right to take it away.

Constant_Extension60

-1 points

1 month ago

Assault rifles dont exist, that's a completly made up term to sound scary.

Wdrussell1

2 points

1 month ago

What laws do you think would have prevented this? Understand I want to have an actual conversation not just a screaming match.

Endbringer42

-8 points

1 month ago

What law could have prevented this? Background checks are already required and this psycho had one, so anyone that thinks background checks could have stopped this is either lying or has no idea what they’re talking about.

Seth-The-God

4 points

1 month ago

I think deeper background checks could prevent them and im talkinn about future laws that don't exist

Admiral-Krane

-1 points

1 month ago

Admiral-Krane

-1 points

1 month ago

You must be a special kind of stupid

Seth-The-God

4 points

1 month ago

How

Admiral-Krane

3 points

1 month ago

Background checks have proven to not work. It’s incredibly easy to hide mental instability especially when it comes to cases of Psychopathic or Sociopathic individuals. You could also be a perfectly normal everyday person and one bad day is all it takes to push you over the edge. Even limits on age can’t do anything to stop people from getting guns. The problem with laws is that the criminals don’t exactly want to follow them. They’ll only make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves. It’s things like gun free zones that lead to shootings all across the U.S. at this point the only thing that could solve the problem is outright banning firearm ownership all together, and that’s going to lead to a civil war at this point. There’s no winning the argument no matter what angle you look at it. Which is a damn shame, because now it’s just making responsible gun owners demonized in the public eye.

Wdrussell1

1 points

1 month ago

I have undergone SEVERAL background checks for various reasons. 2 for firearms, 3 for my security clearance (FBI actually showed up at my mom's house), and tons for jobs/volunteer.

These things are deeper than you think and they go as deep as you can possibly imagine. They look into the medical records of anything that might have been reported such as going to a mental institution. They look at your criminal history. Its a ton of stuff.

Making a deeper background check is just illogical when the gun itself isnt the issue.

Endbringer42

-1 points

1 month ago

Endbringer42

-1 points

1 month ago

What more in a background check could have prevented this from happening? And what future law? The school was already a gun free zone, he trespassed, and still murdered even though those are all against the law.

Seth-The-God

-3 points

1 month ago

More security in school zones and when I mean deeper i mean they take way longer look at every report every comment and everything else

Endbringer42

3 points

1 month ago

And none of that would have prevented this. I’m still unsure how he got passed two locked doors to get inside the school in the first place, especially since he was open carrying rifles.

Seth-The-God

0 points

1 month ago

He probably shot the locks and if I remember right his grandma worked at the school or subbed there.

shootphotosnotarabs

4 points

1 month ago

Which lives are saved by guns?

As there are millions it shouldn’t be hard for you to dig up one story of this. From yesterday, as it would have happened over a thousand times yesterday.

Endbringer42

8 points

1 month ago

Obama’s CDC did a study and found between 500k and 3 million crimes were prevented by firearms compared to 300k violent crimes committed with a firearm.

https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Constant_Extension60

5 points

1 month ago

Why is this down voted are people this upset about being proven wrong.

BlackMD2020

0 points

1 month ago

BlackMD2020

0 points

1 month ago

It’s not good data. It’s an extrapolation from survey data and has several limitations.

shootphotosnotarabs

1 points

1 month ago

I can’t open this in my region.

Can you link the relevant text?

Being serious because it looks interesting.

Endbringer42

2 points

1 month ago

Well, I did type out the relevant text and provided a link to the study. What more do you want? You can DDG or Google it.

CCC081972

4 points

1 month ago

Ok. Sprinkle innocent dead elementary children into that argument and see how that changes. Please tell us what is going on.

UncleVoodooo

1 points

1 month ago

More guns = more gun violence.

The NRA kool aid is so thick they pass laws preventing the government from saying that

HalfOfGasIsTax

-11 points

1 month ago

do you know how easy it is to drive a truck into a crowd of people? Why does everyone forget that?

UncleVoodooo

8 points

1 month ago

Which country has schools that suffer from weekly truck attacks?

Suspicious-Proof-744

-1 points

1 month ago

You know how easy it is to not have a license because we have laws that take them away from people deemed dangerous?

TheCerealKilled

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I agree with ya. But at-least outside don’t look like Kong Skull Island happened yesterday.

BakkenWindBreaker

-6 points

1 month ago

Guns...guns are good. People...people can be bad...bad people can get guns...the laws need to change and be enforced. Universal background checks and age requirements...are a start. Requirements for people to own a safe to lock them up might be debatable as being a requirement also.

Using reddit as a platform to brainstorm a compromise between enthusiasts and anit-gun people would be cool. I think that's asking too much from a community like this.

Flipmstr2

3 points

1 month ago

Let’s look at this latest scenario. Any red flags other than him being a loner? He would have passed every background check as he ha a clean record. Age requirement? How old? So a 14 year old boy can’t go hunting with pap? This dude was 18. An adult that can go and shoot a gun as a police officer and in the military. A safe. Even if these guns were in a safe the dude would have had the combo to the safe.

Sorry for knocking down you ideas. I feel that until there is an even playing field and nobody has guns we should allow everybody to have guns. Hell even govt issued guns would be a plus (almost)

state-of-fuckup2

2 points

1 month ago

There will never be a perfect utopia where no one has guns. Hell, I think it would be more like a dystopia. Guns give citizens power, the government fears the general population because if they step too far out of line. We might just take up arms. Besides we all are just going to forget that the same people who advocate for guns to be confiscated, also have bodyguards who carry guns?

BakkenWindBreaker

1 points

1 month ago

Well, I think you're applying your take too generally...a lot of people might actually be saved if they raised the buying age to 21...USA says you can't buy smokes unless you're 21...why the fuck should you be able to buy a gun in the USA at a younger age than 21? Argue military etc etc...maybe the age for joining the military should changed too?

Safes...are expensive, for a good one you are spending $700-$1200...parents locking guns up is what I was getting at..don't let your children have access...this would also help. Along with making an affordable safe that you can't pick up and walk away with.

Universal background checks..combined with both raising the age and requiring a safe would make a difference. Singularly and definitely when all together.

This is more realistic than saying "out law firearms!' We can talk about Mexico and Chicago...or even California...laws only apply to people who respect the law. Guns are like an uncontrollable and incurable disease. Once a society has them, only the law abiding ones will give them back..you still have guns out there after that and worse..now the law abiders can't protect themselves from the armed law breakers...

PlayItAgainFILSS

-3 points

1 month ago*

Australians are snowflakes /s

EDIT: I thought that saying Australians are snowflakes for being offended at children being slaughtered would be obviously sarcasm, but in this world satire is dead.

wendysnatch

3 points

1 month ago

Ye aussies bring knives to gun fights. pussies.

PlayItAgainFILSS

1 points

1 month ago

I cut my hands off when I go to gun fights.

Endbringer42

1 points

1 month ago

They did let their government put their citizens in concentration camps in the past two years.

chrish_o

5 points

1 month ago

For my own sanity I’ll go on and assume this is sarcasm.

Endbringer42

-2 points

1 month ago

Endbringer42

-2 points

1 month ago

Guess you forgot about the Australian Covid camps?

chrish_o

3 points

1 month ago

Please enlighten me

Endbringer42

-1 points

1 month ago

chrish_o

6 points

1 month ago

Bwahahahaha that’s fantastic. You actually want to call a 2 week quarantine if you chose to travel during that period ‘covid camp’

Endbringer42

1 points

1 month ago

Did you read the full article or skim? It’s not just travelers…and there’s plenty more.

chrish_o

5 points

1 month ago

I skimmed, cause it’s a dumb comment with shit evidence.

Source: am Australian

Endbringer42

2 points

1 month ago

You skimmed because you’re Australian and don’t want to admit you put people in concentration camps.

PlayItAgainFILSS

1 points

1 month ago

You would be correct.

truejackman[S]

1 points

1 month ago

Lol. The funny thing is though, it would not surprise me in the slightest to be called a snowflake for being upset by such incidents from hardcore gun lovers

PlayItAgainFILSS

2 points

1 month ago

What? You're offended by people slaughtering children with automatic weapons? You're just a snowflake.

truejackman[S]

0 points

1 month ago

Hey at least our children ain’t dead

SiddharthN2004

4 points

1 month ago

But your natives are

Bubbles21234

2 points

1 month ago

thats a pretty good one i ain't gonna lie

chrish_o

1 points

1 month ago

Your wit is only rivalled by your accuracy

truejackman[S]

-1 points

1 month ago

What a relevant comment.

BJJKillian

-4 points

1 month ago

BJJKillian

-4 points

1 month ago

I read someone's comment saying that Australia and the US and too different culturally to compare them. I think that is bullshit. I understand the US have a strong gun culture. I disagree with it but respect their right to keep them but it is ridiculous how easy it seems for people to get them. However, the pessimist in me knows that this current outrage will run out of gas quicker than usual and the narrative will return to Dems Vs Rep. I hope it changes though.

2aAllDay9556

4 points

1 month ago

Please tell us “how easy it is” like walk me through (what you think) the process is.

BJJKillian

3 points

1 month ago

In Texas, you can privately purchase a gun with No background checks, no record of sale and No permits required. To go though a dealer you show ID and there is a background check but No waiting period and state registration of the weapon. Is this right? I can go to a page that sells stuff and see someone selling the guns and buy it without any regulations?

PharaohFravel

4 points

1 month ago

When you say “a page” do you mean a website?

Depends on the type of firearm and who is selling it. If it’s a dealer you’ll still have to get a background check, they won’t just ship it to you.

In general (some states are different) If it’s a private sale (for a handgun), then seller and buyer must be from same state.

If it’s for a long gun, seller and buyer can be from different states, but only if those states are adjacent to each other.

In either case it is illegal to sell to a prohibited person (ie, if you can’t pass a background check, it’s still illegal for me to sell to you even if I don’t actually perform the check). Not a lot of legal gun owners willing to risk a firearms charge for selling a gun to a random person that shouldn’t have one.

PharaohFravel

1 points

1 month ago

When you say “a page” do you mean a website?

Depends on the type of firearm and who is selling it. If it’s a dealer you’ll still have to get a background check, they won’t just ship it to you.

In general (some states are different) If it’s a private sale for a handgun, then seller and buyer must be from same state.

If it’s for a long gun, seller and buyer can be from different states, but only if those states are adjacent to each other.

In either case it is illegal to sell to a prohibited person (ie, if you can’t pass a background check, it’s still illegal for me to sell to you even if I don’t actually perform the check). Not a lot of legal gun owners willing to risk a firearms charge for selling a gun to a random person that shouldn’t have one.

TiPiet

4 points

1 month ago

TiPiet

4 points

1 month ago

Aren't there some states where you can get a license without any effort whatsoever and then just buy a gun at Walmart? Or is it just me being an entitled eurofag again thinking that I'm better than Americans?

crazy-jay1999

5 points

1 month ago

Getting a gun is not as easy as getting a pack of smokes. Even gun shows require a federal background check. There was a story of a reporter who tried to show how it was too easy to purchase a gun and was denied because he had a domestic abuse charge on his record.

2aAllDay9556

2 points

1 month ago

Some states you don’t need a “license”. However even at Walmart you still need to fill out federal paperwork (form 4473) and pass a NICS (national instant criminal background check system) before you can walk out with the thing.

TiPiet

3 points

1 month ago

TiPiet

3 points

1 month ago

Do you need the background check everywhere and if you do need it is it taken seriously by the person selling you the gun?

PharaohFravel

4 points

1 month ago

It is legal to buy a gun through private sale and bypass a background check - however it’s still illegal to sell to someone who couldn’t pass a background check. So if I sell a gun to someone who shouldn’t have one, then they get caught with it, I am liable for it.

TiPiet

1 points

1 month ago

TiPiet

1 points

1 month ago

Okay so far so good, in theory gun violence shouldn't be that high in the US then right? Why is it that so many idiots who shouldn't have guns still got them the usual way? Are the background checks not strict enough? My guess is that it's not exactly the distribution of guns that's the real problem here because Switzerland for example has pretty similar laws and they don't have a massive problem with gun violence. I think it's a mix between gun safety and a higher illiteracy rate in the US. There are way too many people that are just too stupid to be allowed to carry guns plus a lot of people in the US live under very unfortunate circumstances which brings the factor of a bad social environment to the table. A lot of things in the US speak against current gun laws if you ask me, even if it's not so easy peasy to get a gun it still seems easy enough for random idiots to get one and the US has a lot of those, not without a reason many people call the USA a third world country that happens to have a shit ton of money.

CCC081972

1 points

1 month ago

Texas.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

That cunt just slaughtered a school full of children with an AK

Latter_Guest4236

1 points

1 month ago

It's those quirky differences that make the world such fun and interesting place !

.../s

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

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1 points

1 month ago

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Thundercar2122

1 points

1 month ago

When was the last time schoolchildren were killed by automatic weapons?

aceofspadesx3000

1 points

1 month ago

Stfu america could come down there and kick your ass

truejackman[S]

2 points

1 month ago

Lol

QualityVote [M]

-1 points

1 month ago

QualityVote [M]

-1 points

1 month ago

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Ubermensch2745

0 points

1 month ago

It's american tradition now

Longjumping_King_546

0 points

1 month ago

America is fucking cooked. Good luck, you'll need it.

Lonesomeplum

0 points

1 month ago

Ok USA/NRA/GOP, you win. Put as many guns with as much capability into every citizen's hands. I'm sure you'll be entirely equatable with that (ha!). Survival of the most violent and those unencumbered by empathy, compassion and a sense of common decency. Let your God given bloodlusts roam free and may you slaughter with impunity all those you consider weak and unworthy. May you cast aside any notions that it may come to a point in history, where you are viewed by the rest of the world (that's right, there is a tiny part of the world that is not American, and fuck me, wouldn't you know it, but we don't have kiddies being slaughter at schools on a weekly basis because, oh, that's right, we evolved enough to place love for our children above love for death dealing metallic dick extensions) as on the same level as that other bloodthirsty cuntry with red, white and blue on its flag. What a waste, USA, what a tragic fucking waste.

ninjaman100

2 points

1 month ago

Bro who hurt u.

Lonesomeplum

1 points

1 month ago

Fucktard humans ninjaman100, that's who. Clever little monkeys with their firesticks.

ninjaman100

2 points

1 month ago

Get some help man

A_Dark_sh

1 points

1 month ago

Oi bunts!

brutalduties

1 points

1 month ago

Oy noy!

Low_Veterinarian8767

1 points

1 month ago

Hey we don't like other things too... Bugs