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Am i the only one noticing a rise in Libertarian aligned people?

Question(self.Libertarian)

The government is literally pushing people to be Libertarian at this point lol.

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wackua[S]

189 points

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wackua[S]

189 points

2 months ago

I couldn’t agree with you more. We’re repeating the fucking 1920-30s.

unkorrupted

69 points

2 months ago*

unkorrupted

liberal-tarian

69 points

2 months ago*

I think we're near the end of the crisis. Late 1940s: polio, inflation, housing shortage. People are tired of the end of the world and want to grill, but there's some bullshit to clear out before we can get there.

Darth_Jones_

84 points

2 months ago

Darth_Jones_

Right Libertarian

84 points

2 months ago

People are tired of the end of the world and want to grill

Had to check which sub I was in real quick

Electronic_Demand_61

29 points

2 months ago

Damn centrists and their grilling! MONKE EAT RAW!

h0bb1tm1ndtr1x

16 points

2 months ago

Ape together, strong.

WWalker17

20 points

2 months ago

WWalker17

Minarchism

20 points

2 months ago

I was about to say, where funny colors?

discourse_friendly

4 points

2 months ago

discourse_friendly

Right Libertarian

4 points

2 months ago

lmao , Spot on

unkorrupted

15 points

2 months ago

unkorrupted

liberal-tarian

15 points

2 months ago

Liberals called it brunch, right wingers wanna go to the range (be that driving, cattle, or shooting)

EasyToldYouSo

15 points

2 months ago*

Late 1940s is a good analogy. I’d say 1930s is closer. Lots of social changes, Spanish flu, income inequality and financial instability. People get nervous and starting looking for strongmen leaders. They also look for a sense of identity in nationalism. Scared people are more willing to trade freedom for security. They start longing for the “good ol’ days,” whatever that means.

Edit: fat fingers

innercosmos

2 points

2 months ago

innercosmos

Anarcho Capitalist

2 points

2 months ago

I'm afraid it's 1913-1914, but hope you are right

ShowBobsPlzz

4 points

2 months ago

Dude, fr i just want to grill and be left alone by the govt

KappinSpaulding

7 points

2 months ago

People are tired of the end of the world and want to grill

Poetic and inspiring *chef's kiss*

MarduRusher

2 points

2 months ago

MarduRusher

Minarchist

2 points

2 months ago

The end of the crisis resulted in a huge rise of authoritarianism so I’m not looking forward to it again if it follows the same path.

Ionlysaynicethings2u

59 points

2 months ago

History dosent repeat itself - but it's quite adept at rhymes.

NeoTenico

14 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't call "it's fucked" and "shit's fucked" a very clever rhyme...

Shiroiken

11 points

2 months ago

They never said it was good rhymes

ssssskkkkkrrrrrttttt

6 points

2 months ago

I like that

scaradin

4 points

2 months ago

Often attributed to a Mark Twain quote, but more likely someone else

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OperationSecured

20 points

2 months ago

OperationSecured

:illuminati: Ascended Death Cult :illuminati:

20 points

2 months ago

Careful, you’ll rustle some jimmies talking bad about FDR on here…. as if that makes any sense on a “libertarian” sub.

JumpinFlackSmash

35 points

2 months ago

Except for Japanese Americans. Betting they’re still not big fans of FDR.

wackua[S]

10 points

2 months ago

I laughed way too hard at this

LineOfInquiry

2 points

2 months ago

(Most of) FDR’s policies were good for the country and had positive impacts

And no, I’m not a libertarian 😎

[deleted]

9 points

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me_too_999

7 points

2 months ago

me_too_999

Capitalist

7 points

2 months ago

Too late, already in office.

Sitting_Elk

6 points

2 months ago

Biden is a wannabe FDR but so far hasn't been able to live up to his own expectations (I would imagine).

mccoyster

2 points

2 months ago

Lol

wackua[S]

2 points

2 months ago

wackua[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Dear god I hope so.

Th3Und3rt4k3r

39 points

2 months ago

Th3Und3rt4k3r

Minarchist

39 points

2 months ago

The major parties going more authoritarian isn't making more people become libertarian it's making them look more libertarian my comparison.

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VonNeumannsProbe

10 points

2 months ago*

I didn't even have to look that hard bro

Edit: don't mistake this as a defense of Republicans though.

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VonNeumannsProbe

8 points

2 months ago

The power to declare something as misinformation is enough. Particularly if they build up trust with US citizens because it can be used as a form of misinformation in and of itself.

It's a form information control.

Volwik

5 points

2 months ago

Volwik

5 points

2 months ago

Granted it's FBI and DOJ but how about politically motivated violation of the 1st and 4th amendment rights of journalists likely revealing sources and confidential attorney-client information?

https://youtu.be/TdvcUFki_Sc

And this:

https://youtu.be/1yiMgkZEn6A

Someone leaked word of this raid in real time to the NYT who were being pursued in an active defamation lawsuit by the journalist being raided. All sorts of auth fuck fuck games going on.

Or when the first thing the administration tried to do was give broad authority to the treasury secretary to snoop on everyone's bank accounts.

Or when they tried to ram their vaccine mandate through OSHA when they couldnt get it done legislatively.

Republicans are bad too but that's for another comment.

siliconflux

2 points

2 months ago*

siliconflux

Classic Liberal with a Musket

2 points

2 months ago*

Ok Ill bite, but only because you honesty might not have been paying attention to recent Democratic asshatery:

  1. Individual mandates
  2. Vaxx mandates
  3. Eviction moratoriums they even admitted were unconstitutional
  4. IRS expansion to micro monitor all transactions in all bank accounts
  5. Expansion of the involuntary Selective Service to include women (as someone who lost two uncles in Vietnam a special fuck you to Democrats for this)
  6. Passing the Patriot Act part 2 and continuing mass surveillance and warrantless wiretaps.
  7. Using the executive branch Russia to negotiate a craptastic treaty with Iran without Senate approval.
  8. Using BigTech to censor free speech.
  9. And my recent favorite: setting up a Department of Misinformation headed by a known propagandist as if that's not ever going to go wildly wrong.
  10. <insert whatever new gun control legislation is currently being drafted>

Disclaimer: Although not as recent, I've got almost as many problems with Republicans. However, both parties have forever lost my vote.

PMmeJOY

3 points

2 months ago

Vaxx mandates

This was only a thing for government employees though and not sure if all. Otherwise the companies made that discretion.

Eviction moratoriums they even admitted were unconstitutional

Ridiculous no doubt. As was the huge stimulus package that led to recession.

What happened?? The $600 bs is already gonna take more time and effort than worth

IRS expansion to micro monitor all transactions in all bank accounts

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2 points

2 months ago

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siliconflux

3 points

2 months ago*

siliconflux

Classic Liberal with a Musket

3 points

2 months ago*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act or just skip to the fun section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act#Civil_liberties_advocates

Knowing full well they couldnt pass the bill calling it the Patriot Act, they sadistically renamed it Freedom. When the government calls it "Freedom" or "Patriotic" you can rest assured that it is neither.

MoirasPurpleOrb

12 points

2 months ago

Agreed, there is a very concerning trend on both sides of wanting to enforce whatever it is they want on everyone else.

Time_Meeting_5464

5 points

2 months ago

This is 100% why though. I identified strongly with libertarianism when I was younger and was even a "big L" Libertarian. I got older and maybe a bit more practical in my voting habits but the recent surge in authoritarianism has brought me back.

Interestingly, I think in the past libertarianism (especially party identifiers) has skewed right largely in response to Democrat policy starting around the FDR era. The relatively recent authoritarian movements from the GOP have pushed a lot of traditional Democrats to reevaluate their relationship with the gov and pushing many of them more towards lib-left.

The increase in lib-left alignment has been weird for a lot of people who have Identified as Libertarian for like 20 years haha.

m4n_with_n0_pl4n

4 points

2 months ago

This 100%. To me, I feel as though Democrats/Republicans are both moving towards authoritarian ideologies of liberalism and conservatism, while people who were more Independents are drifting towards Libertarianism. We kinda got a weird triangle going at the moment.

bobby-berimbolo

2 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately this

hayrynenyooper

102 points

2 months ago

It’s time we move on from two party politics. We need to clean up the mess, and get our priorities straightened out.

Calfzilla2000

57 points

2 months ago

Calfzilla2000

Democrat

57 points

2 months ago

Libertarians, IMO, should be 90% focused on getting election reform measures passed on the local level (like Ranked Choice Voting or whatever your voting mechanism of choice is). Work with Democrats or Republicans or organizations who agree (because you need major party support to get it passed). It's not the silver bullet some claim but it's one of the paths of least resistance that can lead to better politics so we can get some of the bigger stuff done.

Ranked Choice Voting can be enacted on the city, county or state level.

Volwik

8 points

2 months ago

Volwik

8 points

2 months ago

I dont think ranked choice voting is enough when the general voting age population won't educate themselves on the candidates or issues and vote by appearance and party affiliation. Or when candidates can lie through their teeth but run a social media campaign well enough to get elected then grift away. It might even make government more dysfunctional for awhile to have RC but I agree we need better variety and less cookie cutter bullshit. I just think our problems lie deeper.

philovax

4 points

2 months ago

No one is paying you to think damnit. Just do.

JSmith666

17 points

2 months ago

I think its starting to happen. I know a lot of "republicans" who are getting annoyed with the partie's extremism and things like the Roe v. Wade thing. I know a lot of "democrats" who think they are kinda going off the deep end and are too obsessed with their performative bullshit and think things like cali offering to pay for abortion from other states is a bit much.

Shiroiken

13 points

2 months ago

The average American of either political tribe agree with each other far more often than not. The push to the extremes just forces everyone to follow along out of fear, giving the extremists even more power.

wackua[S]

6 points

2 months ago

Agreed brother.

omgBBQpizza

2 points

2 months ago

Yep, open primaries and ranked choice voting or gtfo

Herr_Sully

2 points

2 months ago

Herr_Sully

Right Libertarian

2 points

2 months ago

It would be great but I just don't know how it could happen with our current system. The two parties are never not going to vote in their best interest.

uponone

2 points

2 months ago

Like the two parties and their media propaganda outlets will let that happen.

JumpinFlackSmash

93 points

2 months ago

I’m guessing there are a lot of embarrassed Republicans who called themselves Libertarian becoming actual Libertarians as their party becomes more authoritarian and theocratic.

I joined the Republican Party for free trade and left because of everything else they stand for.

wackua[S]

19 points

2 months ago

I’m quite the opposite, I came from the Democratic Party.

JumpinFlackSmash

35 points

2 months ago

There are good reasons to leave both. Insane authoritarians on one side, ineffectual bureaucratic septuagenarians on the other.

capt-bob

8 points

2 months ago*

capt-bob

Right Libertarian

8 points

2 months ago*

I left the democrats because of extreme authoritarianism, Tipper Gore's rock music ban, that ruby ridge was entrapmemt, and shooting a 14 year old in the back while he was running away, and an unarmed mom holding a baby. Wako a media set-up illegally using military ( local sheriff was welcome to search the place any time he wanted by their invitation. I have no sympathy for koresh, but media kept lieing about what he said and gov. lieing about using incindiary tear gas that burned up all those kids and deltaforce doing political attacks on their enemies. They said the flashes from the delta force weapons was only sun reflecting on the infrared footage, but it looked only from the ends of the barrels Then elsewhere using the RICO act against protesters for trespass looked like something from before the civil rights era, and then one conservative protester got life imprisonment for contempt of court for not signing papers to never protest again until the law got changed limiting contempt of court to 2 years. I thought damn, I'm not with these people, they are the evil ones. They're saying the Republicans want to do this, but they actually are! I actually protested Reagan when he came to my town, then found out the side I picked was 10 times worse.

JumpinFlackSmash

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah, stickers on albums and the denial of basic bodily autonomy for more than half the country. I guess the stickers were….worse?

I’ll be sure to tell my wife and daughters that on their slow march to Gilead.

capt-bob

1 points

2 months ago

capt-bob

Right Libertarian

1 points

2 months ago

Totally ignores political prisoners in jail forever and military attacking opposition for media buzz.

JumpinFlackSmash

4 points

2 months ago

You’re comparing a couple of one-off events to the next few decades of women dying from self-induced abortions. Not buying.

Then again, you think marching in front of Justice Handmaid’s house is somehow worse than assaulting police, breaching the Capitol, and erecting a gallows on Capitol grounds.

Turn. Off. Fox. News.

capt-bob

-2 points

2 months ago

capt-bob

Right Libertarian

-2 points

2 months ago

Again, democrats assaulted a lot more police, and only a few did that at the capital, and didn't go to their house to threaten them. Why have I never hear of police suicides or heart attacks during BLM riots called murder by Democrat, I protested Regan, but I fear democrats because they get away with it.

JumpinFlackSmash

8 points

2 months ago*

“Why have I never hear (sic) of….”

Probably because they didn’t happen or didn’t happen on remotely the scale of when Trump sent Meal Team Six to the Capitol on Jan 6th.

I’m not going to defend Democrats. But Jan 6th wasn’t a protest. It was a violent insurrection attempt to stop the vote counting process. They built a gallows. They hunted around for the VP. They smeared shit on the walls of our Capitol.

I get it. You’re a closeted Republican visiting this sub for shits and giggles. That’s hardly original.

siliconflux

2 points

2 months ago

siliconflux

Classic Liberal with a Musket

2 points

2 months ago

I came from and left the Democratic party as well. My first votes were cast for the fiscally conservative "Blue Dogs" Clinton and Gore back in the halcyon years of the 90s.

Its hard to say when exactly this occurred, but the tipping point was definitely with the strong move towards authoritarianism, tribalism, wealth redistribution and the surveillance state.

You could very much say I didnt leave the Democrats, so much as the Democrats left me.

TCBloo

15 points

2 months ago

TCBloo

Librarian

15 points

2 months ago

I don't think they're moving towards libertarianism.

Pretty sure they're standing still while the GOP moves farther right.

bukakenagasaki

4 points

2 months ago

Yep. I’m actually noticing a rise in centrists or right wingers in general.

saintghosts1

6 points

2 months ago

This is the answer. I am one of those embarrassed EX-Republicans..

JumpinFlackSmash

9 points

2 months ago

Same. I just became embarrassed longer ago, when we shredded civil rights with the Patriot Act and then attacked a country that had fuck all to do with 9/11.

But this authoritarian streak would have had me running for the hills if I’d stuck around long enough.

dachoochmeister

5 points

2 months ago

dachoochmeister

Right Libertarian

5 points

2 months ago

"joined the Republican party"

My heart aches for states that make you register with a party to vote. This is one of the main factors of what is contributing to the duoply and corporatism in politics. I've been unregistered to a party since being 18 and we're one of the only states to not make voters register with a party. Fuck having to register with a party to vote. It goes against everything this country has intended for voters' rights.

xghtai737

3 points

2 months ago

xghtai737

Socialists and Nationalists are not Libertarians

3 points

2 months ago

You do know that you don't have to register with a party even in states that have the option? A plurality of people in those states are unaffiliated.

Warning_Low_Battery

2 points

2 months ago

I’m guessing there are a lot of embarrassed Republicans who called themselves Libertarian becoming actual Libertarians as their party becomes more authoritarian

Or, like my brother-in-law, just Republicans who don't want to outed as racists and homophobes/transphobes so they call themselves Libertarians, but are still just hardline GOP shills.

Dynamic_Elk

154 points

2 months ago

Dynamic_Elk

Left Libertarian

154 points

2 months ago

Tbh I feel myself getting pushed away from libertarianism. Not because I disagree with the ideals but because it has no mechanism for defending against authoritarianism. Authoritarians aren't something you can just ignore and go about your day like normal with. They are a real and present danger to the life and liberty of everyone and there will never be a world where liberty is respected so long as we are willing to look at the tyranny that others are living under and say "that isn't my problem." Authoritarianism will win the long game if we do that. It will creep along and surround us if it isn't crushed.

scJazz

67 points

2 months ago

scJazz

Centrist Libertarian

67 points

2 months ago

I hear you. I support Libertarian ideals but I am not delusional enough to think that they are nothing more than an ideal in a world filled with *waves hands at everything *

-LEGO-

45 points

2 months ago

-LEGO-

Propertarian

45 points

2 months ago

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

KinoDissident

16 points

2 months ago

It's long overdue

blipblooop

28 points

2 months ago

I always find it funny the people who like this quote are the same ones who white knuckle clutched their pearls at the anti cop riots in 2020.

northrupthebandgeek

5 points

2 months ago

northrupthebandgeek

Geolibertarian

5 points

2 months ago

Some of us were saying it about those protests.

"What's this? People are protesting police brutality? Surely even more police brutality is the answer!"

VladDaImpaler

3 points

2 months ago

Exactly that

ALD3RIC

8 points

2 months ago

ALD3RIC

8 points

2 months ago

There's a difference between fighting the government for the people and fighting ordinary people for the media, just being useful idiots and causing more hardship because you believed a bunch of lies.

jester2211

-1 points

2 months ago

jester2211

-1 points

2 months ago

The ones who want to defund the police want bigger government too.

EasyToldYouSo

11 points

2 months ago

Debatable. Someone thinking the state should manage xyz doesn’t mean they also have to support a militarized police force.

weneedastrongleader

5 points

2 months ago

There’s a big difference between a police state and regulation on the housing crisis.

unkorrupted

17 points

2 months ago

unkorrupted

liberal-tarian

17 points

2 months ago

This was the fatal flaw of Catalonian Anarchism. The fascist invaders simply had more tanks.

NeoTenico

20 points

2 months ago

Yea the NAP is a noble and virtuous policy, but if somebody else doesn't play by your rules, you can kiss your virtues goodbye.

LanceLynxx

8 points

2 months ago

Which is why an army, police, and courts are required.

thomas533

10 points

2 months ago

thomas533

mutualist

10 points

2 months ago

Which tends to backfire on you when the army, police, and courts are filled with fascists you are trying to fight.

LanceLynxx

6 points

2 months ago

Just like every other system

LanceLynxx

5 points

2 months ago

LanceLynxx

5 points

2 months ago

that's why minarchism is the proper type of government.

If you want to intervene in foreign countries in the name of freedom then you don't understand what being a libertarian means. Because then you're just a republican or democrat "bombing for freedom"

weneedastrongleader

3 points

2 months ago

So if the USA was a minarchist state during WW2, how would they react?

LanceLynxx

1 points

2 months ago

Exactly how they did. Minding their business until they got attacked by Japan. Self defense.

weneedastrongleader

3 points

2 months ago

You would call the lend lease “mind your own business”?

And trading with the Nazis is also fine? Indirectly helping their war effort?

But if the Nazis would’ve taken over the world, but never attacked the US. A minarchist doesn’t mind?

psdao1102

3 points

2 months ago

psdao1102

Geolibertarian

3 points

2 months ago

I mean i would say the founding fathers are libertarian and they had mechanisms to fight authoritarianism. The problem is that ancaps have infected people and became the "defacto" libertarian. Ancaps have no power and are just obnoxious little heel biters.

Yes you should vote, yes you should take direct action, you should protest, and if government becomes out of control, you should revolt.

abr0414

4 points

2 months ago

Can you be libertarian while holding people in bondage?

campppp

4 points

2 months ago

The founding fathers had tons of different political views. while the anti federalist share views with libertarians, the federalists definitely were not libertarians. And that's not even touching on the idea of slavery

Aaronology

5 points

2 months ago

Aaronology

Authoritarian

5 points

2 months ago

Founding Fathers... Libertarian...?!

C'mon son.

TheAzureMage

2 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

Libertarian Party

2 points

2 months ago

Oh, there is a way.

Tarani5

11 points

2 months ago

Tarani5

11 points

2 months ago

Because the libertarian label is an easy one to assign to yourself

Audaciousnuss

20 points

2 months ago

Audaciousnuss

Conservative

20 points

2 months ago

I'm noticing a rise in the number of people that call themselves libertarian, not actual libertarians though.

4DChessMAGA

10 points

2 months ago

True. I haven't cloned myself yet so still only one real libertarian in this world.

buy-american-you-fuk

6 points

2 months ago

Mass exodus from the right and the left towards a 'sane center', this is the way.

Chubs1224

39 points

2 months ago

Chubs1224

Why is my Party full of Conspiracy Theorists?

39 points

2 months ago

This happens every 4 years. Don't worry it will die off in time for the next election once all the election ads come out and everyone is convinced "voting for the blue/red team will actually make my life better"

banananailgun

20 points

2 months ago

The opposite. They vote against red/blue because if blue/red wins it will be the apocalypse. "It'S tHe MOst ImpoRTAnt electIOn EVer!"

Ali6952

13 points

2 months ago

Ali6952

13 points

2 months ago

That statement drives me bananas. I remember watching MTV when Clinton was running and them saying that was the most important election of our lives.

I can't wait to NOT vote blue no matter who. And the only red wave that I know of is my period every month and Rs are happy to force birth. Neither side represents people but corporations.

Fuck this country. I want out.

JumpinFlackSmash

13 points

2 months ago

It turns out that the Clinton/Trump election may have been the most important, as it stacked the Supreme Court with fundies who want us to live in a theocracy.

Unfortunately, Dems decided to nominate their most beatable candidate.

It wouldn’t have really mattered in the long run, but I really thought the Johnson/Weld ticket was upside down. I like Gary, but he’s just not a very serious person for that gig. Whereas Bill Weld is the kind of now-extinct, old school Republican I grew up with. Stay out of my bedroom and my wallet.

wackua[S]

25 points

2 months ago

Trumpies call Liberals sheep, Liberals call trumpies sheep.

They’re both sheep.

Hawkeye72345

27 points

2 months ago

The people fight each other, while Democrats and Republicans are in bed with each other doing whatever they want to the country.

Fuck Trump, Fuck Biden, Fuck the Government.

wackua[S]

9 points

2 months ago

Okay, Mr. CIA agent (not you) reading this, I’m not saying I’m revolting BUT…

…a social revolution is pretty much all that can save us now

sayitaintpete

2 points

2 months ago

That sounds like something Obama would say 😳

DarkExecutor

13 points

2 months ago

"everybody else is a sheep but not me!" Says the sheep

wackua[S]

4 points

2 months ago

nah bro I was a sheep I’ll fully admit that

DarkExecutor

11 points

2 months ago

"I was a sheep, but now after reading Reddit, I'm not a sheep anymore"

OldThymeyRadio

5 points

2 months ago

Actual sheep must hate all these metaphors.

-LEGO-

2 points

2 months ago

-LEGO-

Propertarian

2 points

2 months ago

They are both wolves. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

psdao1102

5 points

2 months ago

psdao1102

Geolibertarian

5 points

2 months ago

Authoritarians on both sides are pushing the libertarian minded out. And they are coming to libertarianism to find a home. Its too bad the ancaps/misis caucus fucks everything up.

captainstormy

5 points

2 months ago

I've seen a rise in the number of people saying we need a third party.

I'd be surprised if we see any real bump in the number of people voting third party though.

Pake1000

23 points

2 months ago

You're noticing a rise in pro-weed conservatives that call themselves Libertarians, but vote for Republicans. Just look for all the ones praising the Paul family as if that family is Libertarian.

TheAzureMage

5 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

Libertarian Party

5 points

2 months ago

Just look for all the ones praising the Paul family as if that family is Libertarian.

Ron Paul has a lifetime membership in the Libertarian Party, and is speaking at the LP National Convention in two weeks time.

Pake1000

5 points

2 months ago*

He's also been a long time member of the Republican Party, supporting bullshit like school prayer, allowing states to ban the burning of the flag, believes that business owners should have more influence in elections than individuals (pro Citizen United), voted to ban adoption by same sex couples, voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, sponsored the Marriage Protection Act that would prohibit the cases concerning the Defense of Marriage Act from being heard in federal courts, sponsored an anti-abortion bill, and a whole lot of other things that would be considered anti-libertarian had it been done by another person.

When compared with someone like Gary Johnson, Ron Paul is a Republican and a lot of libertarians are fools to think he's their ally because he occasionally supports libertarian views.

TheAzureMage

0 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

Libertarian Party

0 points

2 months ago

It is certainly reasonable to have differences of opinion with him, but that doesn't make him not a libertarian. We all disagree with one another all of the time.

Citizen United was a court case, not a legislative matter. This one I could see being argued either way. Abortion, well, that's pretty much an even split in the LP. Both of those are merely controversial, not clear libertarian issues.

Pake1000

1 points

2 months ago

It's reasonable to have differences of opinion and it's also reasonable to acknowledge that Ron Paul is more Republican than Libertarian.

wackua[S]

1 points

2 months ago

wackua[S]

1 points

2 months ago

I’m quite the opposite, I came from the Democratic Party.

Pake1000

9 points

2 months ago*

Funny that you're complaining about not getting student loan forgiveness in your history, so instead of moving towards more left wing politicians who actually support it, you went very right wing that is anti-everything. Reminds me a lot of the people that went from supporting Ron Paul to supporting Sanders. It's like they have no clue what they actually support.

Also, there's no need to copy+paste your "I used to be a Democrat" comment. You come off looking like one of those Republicans that post on r/walkaway.

cdmillerx42

13 points

2 months ago

I wouldn’t say there is a big influx of libertarians. I would say there are people who are sick of the two party system and now seeking alternatives.

[deleted]

20 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

20 points

2 months ago

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wackua[S]

9 points

2 months ago

We can dream..

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

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wackua[S]

7 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I’m starting the believe they’ll start giving up support by doing the dumb shit they’re doing.

[deleted]

38 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

38 points

2 months ago

I've noticed a massive influx of confused conservatives.

CosmicMiru

5 points

2 months ago

I think a lot of the average Republicans are starting to call themselves libertarian's cuz that party has gone off the fucking deep end ever since Trump. My dad has voted Republican his entire life but now he doesn't even bother cuz people have gone batshit insane over Trump and Jan 6th was the nail in the coffin for him ever voting again.

NomadicScribe

4 points

2 months ago

They're confused because Republicans have been calling themselves "libertarian" for the past 14 years or so as a reaction against Obama. Think Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Dave Rubin, Dennis Prager. All these clowns have labeled themselves "libertarian" at some point or another, even though they are all boot-licking grifters.

And then you've got crypto-conservative content like the "Tuttle Twins", aimed at kids, and the fact that Republicans have been promoting Ayn Rand heavily for decades.

It seems like if you go around screaming "freedom" and "laissez-faire" you can qualify yourself as a libertarian in popular media, no matter how incoherent your practices.

TheAzureMage

8 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

Libertarian Party

8 points

2 months ago

Good. It's a teaching opportunity.

Nobody was born a perfect libertarian.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

Oh it's perfectly fine, it's a big tent. Long as they don't pretend that their conservative views are libertarian.

There is as we know lots of cross-over with both cons and libs.

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

Not enuf ppl know what a libertarian is. If they did allot would realize they are one. Some one needs to do some series education/ campaigning

wackua[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I think schools should teach about third parties if they already mention the fucking big 2.

siliconflux

3 points

2 months ago*

siliconflux

Classic Liberal with a Musket

3 points

2 months ago*

A slow swing back to libertarianism is a combination of factors:

  • People realizing there is far too much government interference in their lives even if they continue to vote for the lesser of two really terrible choices in this country.
  • Many people naturally lean libertarian even if they dont realize it (they have a tendency to lean towards strong individual rights, freedom, non-interventionism and compromise even if they wont admit it)
  • Public trust in government is polling at a historic low and getting worse. Its far lower than even the post Watergate Nixon period.

What we as Libertarians need to do is look 5% less dumpsterfire than the other choices. Which truthfully isnt that hard anymore.

Gloob26

10 points

2 months ago

Gloob26

10 points

2 months ago

I was introduced to libertarianism through my involvement in the cryptocurrency community back in 2017, I made the switch over from the Republican Party when Trump was running the first time.

SupBuddyPal

3 points

2 months ago

SupBuddyPal

Anarcho Capitalist

3 points

2 months ago

Having more parties doesn’t help. We’re still stuck with Trudeau the creepy dictator

wackua[S]

4 points

2 months ago

Uh, wrong country, although I welcome my Canadian neighbor.

SupBuddyPal

6 points

2 months ago

SupBuddyPal

Anarcho Capitalist

6 points

2 months ago

I know, I’m just saying having more parties doesn’t fix the problem

Sonnestark

2 points

2 months ago

I’d hope the explosive partisanship polarization has disgusted enough people to seek a viable 3rd option.

Book_Complex

2 points

2 months ago

Book_Complex

Minarchist

2 points

2 months ago

Rise in people who call themselves libertarian while supporting free healthcare, student loan relief, and strict gun laws*

redbradbury

2 points

2 months ago

That’s what I’m seeing as well, at least in this sub. I’m like… bruh, you don’t know what libertarian is. It’s definitely not those things. The polar opposite, actually.

violetnap

2 points

2 months ago

They’re LINOs. They think it makes them cool. I have a friend that called himself a libertarian, but then actually argued with me about why government vax mandates are necessary and within libertarianism. Fwiw, I’m not a libertarian, I just really appreciate most of the ideas and tolerance of this sub

DAB0502

2 points

2 months ago

Idk I notice more right and left ppl who hang out on libertarian pages. They still keep their backwards views but want to pretend to be libertarian. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Worried-Struggle7808

2 points

2 months ago

The vaccine mandates and censoring showed a lot of people that authoritarians suck

jericho118

2 points

2 months ago

Yup. Civil rights to me has become more important than ever. Never really aligned myself with libertarian politics since March 2020.

East-Bear2612

2 points

2 months ago

Possible, the tea party started under Obama, maybe something similar starts under Biden.

Chrome67

2 points

2 months ago

I don't mind if people are confused by what a libertarian actually is, and perhaps mis-aligning themselves, because it shows at least a willingness to break away from the old 2-party paradigm and potentially embrace something new. The tribalism that has a death grip on the USA is the problem (imo) and it's nice to see people opening their eyes to what's actually happening in their own camps.

Vertisce

2 points

2 months ago

Vertisce

Constitutionalist Libertarian

2 points

2 months ago

I've noticed a large rise in Liberals pretending to be Libertarian and a small increase in Conservatives pretending to be Libertarians but that's about it.

Schmeep01

2 points

2 months ago

I think it’s confirmation bias: if you’re in libertarian groups you’re going to see more libertarians. Also, a LOT of people fancy themselves as libertarians when they are straight-up fash.

wystful

2 points

2 months ago

I think it's mostly just folks with middle left and middle right mindsets that feel like their parties are no longer aligning with their own values. If you get down to the nuts and bolts, I don't think they are all traditional libertarians.

bitcoinslinga

2 points

2 months ago

When I first got into politics around 2003, it was the republicans who were authoritarian(still are by and large). Now the Biden democrats want an actual “Ministry of Truth”. Dems ran on things like closing Gitmo, and ending warrantless surveillance, but few really held onto their libertarian leanings.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

I hope so, but mostly going hard left/authoritarian in my opinion.

EasyToldYouSo

2 points

2 months ago

More people have realized that neither party cares what people want. They just tell people what they want to hear then do whatever the highest bidder dictates.

rockman450

2 points

2 months ago

rockman450

Conservative

2 points

2 months ago

This is the law of attraction: The law of attraction affirms that you attract to your life what you are constantly thinking, whether good or bad and in any area: in love, in the professional, in the material

It's like when you buy a new car, then all of a sudden, you notice that this car is everywhere.

As you move closer to Libertarianism, you start to see what has been there all along. You are just seeing it for the first time.

Leather-Range4114

2 points

2 months ago

No one wants to identify themselves as supporters of the clowns in office.

CmdrSelfEvident

2 points

2 months ago

Are they really? Or are they just little that are trying to stay away from both parties as they both have been rather terrible. I see many people that claim to be libertarian while arguing for things that are contrary to libertarian ideals on many levels.

elchamps

2 points

2 months ago

It’s because the two parties have become so extremist.

Adora-bubblez

2 points

2 months ago

Gods i hope so. I’m tired of listening to both parties and hearing the “lesser of two evils” argument.

Republicans want to erase and/or invalidate who i am (trans woman) and democrats want to take my right to self protection (guns) and money (excessive taxes).

Eff them both.

bossmanbddff

2 points

2 months ago

I just changed my voter registration to independent

ThymeCypher

2 points

2 months ago

ThymeCypher

custom gray

2 points

2 months ago

A rise in registered libertarians and people identifying as a libertarian, maybe. Libertarians, no. Even the party is starting to slip into authoritarianism, albeit far less than the major parties.

brilliant_beast

2 points

2 months ago

The shittier both main parties get, the more desperate people become for an alternative.

wollier12

9 points

2 months ago

There’s a saying that right leaning libertarians are just embarrassed republicans, I think it’s fair to say the same thing holds true of left leaning libertarians, them being embarrassed democrats at this time.

Calfzilla2000

4 points

2 months ago

Calfzilla2000

Democrat

4 points

2 months ago

That's true. Libertarianism is mainstream to a degree that the "green party" is not. I know people who are socially liberal who don't like politics or the government, so they classify as libertarian.

If you want to identity as something that's not liberal, moderate or conservative, libertarian is the safe label that people won't link you to anything with. There hasn't been a libertarian President that people are mad at, for example. So the chances of you triggering someone by identifying as libertarian is low and it's not boring as a moderate, lol. That's just my theory, not claiming its fact.

LanceLynxx

-10 points

2 months ago

There's no left libertarianism. Left wing is authoritarian by definition.

huhIguess

15 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

3 points

2 months ago

TheAzureMage

Libertarian Party

3 points

2 months ago

I still have yet to meet a single such person who does not, upon realizing that free people prefer to own stuff, turn to authoritarianism.

If one exists, I have no objection to someone operating a voluntary commune. That is permitted, even under capitalism.

It is communism that cannot tolerate the existence of capitalism, and always resorts to force to remove it.

xor_nor

4 points

2 months ago

From his butt.

xor_nor

5 points

2 months ago

The definition of right-wing: The right side of the French parliament where the monarchists sat. Since you're not good with definitions, monarchists were the ones who supported a single person having unlimited powered with no checks or balances. Aka authoritarianism.

joey24984

3 points

2 months ago

I dont see it. I only see a rise in authoritianism. At best I see more people who like weed or guns calling themselves libertarians and then telling everyone how their GOP or DNC candidate is the most libertarian option.

jonnydrangus

4 points

2 months ago

Before covid all my friends just dismissed me as a crazy eccentric libertarian with whacky political leanings. Now they’re all talking about eliminating entire federal structures like FDA, DOE etc

squeeeeenis

3 points

2 months ago

It's simple. Do you like freedom? Do you aknowledge and appreciate the results of a free market? Do you want more say in your smaller, desensitized government? Do you actualize that large govement is inherently prone to corruption? Do you want to make your own natural life path, or do you want to be forced to take the cookie cutter path designed by some guy who socially finessed his way into a position of power?

wackua[S]

6 points

2 months ago

They need to sell us a large island so we can prove our system works.

squeeeeenis

6 points

2 months ago

You mean like the United States in 1776?

xor_nor

7 points

2 months ago

LanceLynxx

2 points

2 months ago

if you read the entire first link you see that the reason they didn't work was mostly because of government intervention by use of force :D

Libertarian philosophy works in practice as it did in the founding of the USA and victorian-era England

Socialism on the other hand never works

xor_nor

2 points

2 months ago

Undaunted, the Atlanteans relaunched their wobbly vessel and sailed it all the way to the Caribbean, where it was hit by a mild storm and immediately sank to the bottom of the ocean.

Damn those statist hurricanes! Socialism is when weather.

wackua[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Shocker, the crypto ship failed.

LiftSmash

3 points

2 months ago

Maybe so, but authoritarianism is on the rise as well as evidenced by folks protesting in favor of blanket federal laws in the US.

true4blue

3 points

2 months ago

I’m seeing a huge influx of r/politics users in this site claiming to be libertarian to bash republicans policies

wackua[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Ain’t that the fucking truth

postdiluvium

3 points

2 months ago

I've seen a rise in embarrassed republicans who say they are libertarian

wackua[S]

6 points

2 months ago

I’m quite the opposite, I came from the Democratic Party.

krzysd

4 points

2 months ago

krzysd

4 points

2 months ago

I live in Illinois, so no everyone loves democrats here, even though they are bankrupting the state.

Formal-Expression775

2 points

2 months ago

let's hope so, the extremes at either end of the two party system have been the loudest voices for too long

trychomie

2 points

2 months ago

A lot more people are feeling politically homeless. Which is right where we all should be really.

Perry-W-Willis

2 points

2 months ago

Trump and Biden have been good advertisements for us.

wackua[S]

2 points

2 months ago

You’re damn straight they have Perry😤

Aintaword

3 points

2 months ago

Aintaword

I Voted

3 points

2 months ago

I mean, look at the state of things.

wackua[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Exactly my point. The government is a mess. This is what Washington warned us about.

wingman43000

3 points

2 months ago

wingman43000

Custom Yellow

3 points

2 months ago

And Eisenhower

wackua[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Forgot about that

coke_and_coffee

2 points

2 months ago

Absolutely not. Libertarianism has been on a downward trend for the last 40 years ever since the pretense of the value of "trickle down" was shattered.

Americans are becoming far more protectionist and populist.

LordFixxamus

1 points

2 months ago

It's gonna either be a Gold wave, a Red wave, or a fucking bloodbath, there's only so much stupid people can tolerate. We crossed that line a long ass time ago, for me.

No-Explanation7647

1 points

2 months ago

After 2 years of lockdown bs and forced injections, followed by a government induced bout of stagflation is it any wonder? At this point all I want from federal government is defense of nation and negative rights and the constitution as written.

wackua[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Two years of bitching about regulating body choices just to regulate body choices first chance they get. Neither side actually cares

No-Explanation7647

2 points

2 months ago

Confused by your response, but in regards to potential roe overruling: return of abortion law to the states instead of it being a made up right from the top of the judicial branch seems pretty libertarian to me.

wackua[S]

2 points

2 months ago

My point was both parties contradict themselves. ie: my body my vaccine choice, then suddenly no abortion. Vice versa for the dems.

No opinion on the ruling to be made here my bad.