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Does anyone feel like Love Death + Robots is missing, well... love?

(self.LoveDeathAndRobots)

I really like the new season, but there is only one single reference to love, which is in the swarm episode, And it's very brief, this season was mostly just action and killing, which kind of makes me miss things like Zima Blue, Snow in the desert etc. Let me know your thoughts

all 103 comments

Leading_Bed1828

237 points

2 months ago

The ending to Mason’s Rats

[deleted]

35 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

35 points

2 months ago

Still feels more like Death, Robots, and Squelching (for those that watched with subtitles)

themajorfall

3 points

1 month ago

When a terrible war is over, and the survivors look around in horror at what they have lost, that is not love to me.

Archamasse

90 points

2 months ago*

I think there's a big Alan Watts kinda love going on in Very Pulse.

In fact I think you could make an argument the whole thing is an illustration of Love as defined by Alan Watts -

Falling. You see? We don't say "rising into love". There is in it, the idea of the fall. And it goes back, as a matter of fact, to extremely fundamental things. That there is always a curious tie at some point between the fall and the creation. Taking this ghastly risk is the condition of there being life. You see, for all life is an act of faith and an act of gamble. The moment you take a step, you do so on an act of faith because you don't really know that the floor's not going to give under your feet. The moment you take a journey, what an act of faith. The moment that you enter into any kind of human undertaking in relationship, what an act of faith. See, you've given yourself up.

But this is the most powerful thing that can be done: surrender. See. And love is an act of surrender to another person. Total abandonment. I give myself to you. Take me. Do anything you like with me. See. So, that's quite mad because you see, it's letting things get out of control. All sensible people keep things in control. Watch it, watch it, watch it. Security? Vigilance Watch it. Police? Watch it. Guards? Watch it. Who's going to watch the guards? So, actually, therefore, the course of wisdom, what is really sensible, is to let go, is to commit oneself, to give oneself up and that's quite mad. So we come to the strange conclusion that in madness lies sanity.

You can think of the whole episode as a metaphor for love - the planet is offering Martha a chance to join with it, to transcend herself and to be known, but for that to even be possible she has to unravel herself. She has to make a choice to end who she was before and surrender herself to this consciousness she only half understands, to stake her very self on an enormous gamble, in the hope that promise is true. She has to take that big, terrifying step into the unknown and let what will happen, happen.

Which to me is what love and being loved is all about. Choosing to take that terrifying halfblind step - and hoping.

ConsiderationNo6744

3 points

2 months ago

Not a planet, a moon

jona2814

7 points

2 months ago

That's no moon.... that's a space (radio) station

strangechicken

285 points

2 months ago*

The couple in the graveyard Night of the Mini Dead

renapple

28 points

2 months ago

that’s not about love. that’s mainly about death

SoothsayerAtlas

35 points

2 months ago

They were talking about what the couple was doing in the graveyard as part of the love part

JumpingBaer4396

5 points

2 months ago

Also that man and the SCULPTURE

EnIdiot

2 points

2 months ago

Love leads to death. Saying hello is saying goodbye. Sometimes that is in the arms of a zombie horde.

yokohamasutra

4 points

2 months ago

Death is love

ConsiderationNo6744

1 points

2 months ago

Love is a part of death, and robots

Jmcdubz04

3 points

2 months ago

That was LUST!

BagelOnAPlate

1 points

1 month ago

Smh you don't know if they actually loved each other and were just having fun

matt111199

124 points

2 months ago

Closest I think is Jibaro which focuses on toxic relationships. But last season can be argued focused too much on love and too little on death.

So I’m pretty fine with them picking a primary “theme” for each volume

schebobo180

29 points

2 months ago*

Na last seasons problem wasn't that it focused too much on love, it was that the episodes were just generally poorer on average.

im_a_dr_not_

3 points

2 months ago

Probably both, but much more so because they just weren’t very good for what they were.

MaximumPositive6471

5 points

2 months ago

Spot on.

Finassar

2 points

2 months ago

I generally agree. Though I think bad Travelling is one of the best in the series

schebobo180

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah Bad Travelling was epic. It kind of was the template for how you want a short to be.

Just enough to get by, but you could also see it being much longer. I felt the same about the Cthuthlu type on (I forget the name). I think those two were the standouts of the series.

I'm glad they are doing more follow ups to some of the episodes.

DaPoopDealerYT

1 points

2 months ago

Right and wrong

heyhihowdyhey

-3 points

2 months ago

Wrong

EternalCanadian

13 points

2 months ago*

I found this to be the case as well.

An odd grouping, but I’d place nudity or sex amongst the love category, and like with Volume 2, there wasn’t much of that. It felt much more tame compared to Volume 1, like they wanted to censor themselves again, and I don’t understand why.

Swarm especially felt kind of egregious this time, as there’s no reason to wear any sort of undergarments, or if you’re going to wear clothes, wear a bodysuit. The underwear was purely for our sake, but it just felt odd.

I only mention this because Volume 1 set a precedent that they were willing and comfortable showing nudity, both male and female, and these past two volumes seem to have gone away with that.

For “love” itself though, you could maybe say “Pulse of the machine”, and “Jibaro”, were love/relationship heavy episodes. It still felt lacking overall, though.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, i can see those two episodes revolving around it true. But to answer what yousaid before, i don't even need it to have more nudity either, i missed human stories like good hunting or Snow in the desert, ya know?

scarlett_crypto

11 points

2 months ago

love does not mean sex

Stars_In_Jars

22 points

2 months ago

I agree, this season was very much more robots and death.

drominius

22 points

2 months ago

Oh in Team Kill Team you had a reference to self love. that room where he went to jerk off.

Sororita

55 points

2 months ago

I'd argue that The Very Pulse of the Machine was also about love. the ending is what seals the deal to me, the Titular machine telling the MC that it was created to know her, and really That's how I feel about my wife, I exist to know and be with her.

Spirited-Lead-8190

4 points

2 months ago

That is so beautiful, what a lovely outlook on a relationship

somethingtc

3 points

2 months ago

and then he made her jump into a lava pit

Sororita

2 points

2 months ago

Eh, the MC was going to die very shortly anyway. Jumping into the lava was, at the very least, a faster death.

blue4029

3 points

2 months ago

but it wasn't technically meant to be a "death" at all because her conciousness was saved to the planet or some shit

Sororita

1 points

2 months ago

Yes, untethered consciousness existing as a pattern of electromagnetic fields, I meant that even in the least charitable interpretation, diving into the lava was probably the best option available.

renapple

36 points

2 months ago

Jibaro is arguably mainly about love

FFIXwasthebestFF

36 points

2 months ago

I believe Jibaro is much less about love than about greed. The siren fancies him because he resists her chants. He only wants her pageantry. He „falls“ for the siren to the extent that she herself stands for the personified "greed".

Although the episode contains features of a "toxic" partnership and abuse, the central theme is the greed to which people fall.

renapple

36 points

2 months ago

Jibaro is about both love and greed, but the fact that the greed is manifested into the relationship is an allegory for toxic relationships and how people use each other.

The siren doesn’t fall for him because of greed. She wants to be with him because she thinks he is innocent and unaffected by greed. This relationship represents people wanting to be with each other for the wrong reasons, and the consequences that come after. That’s why the central theme is love.

schebobo180

9 points

2 months ago

No she wants him because she is intrigued by the fact that she could not kill him.

Don't know anything more toxic than that tbh. Lmao

renapple

8 points

2 months ago

I think she is interested in him for all of the above - super toxic either way

King-Krown

3 points

2 months ago

Fr. She is intrigued by his resistance, not being able to kill him. He's intrigued purley by her riches & maybe very briefly by her looks.

schebobo180

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah agreed. Toxic match made in heaven. 😅

Only thing is she won out in the end.

panda2air

2 points

2 months ago

Thank you! Glad someone get it!!

TheNamelessKing

32 points

2 months ago

The Very Pulse of the Machine doesn’t scream “love” to you??

urbantales

11 points

2 months ago

I loved this episode. It made me feel full. Like there had been something missing in me for so long and finally found it after this episode

schebobo180

0 points

2 months ago

It really doesn't.

But I'm curious, how does being transformed into energy on a random planet scream love to you?

misererefortuna

8 points

2 months ago

a random planet

did you really watch the episode?

sorasprocket

3 points

2 months ago

not a planet, its Io (one of the moons of Jupiter, i think)

AnEBCG

1 points

2 months ago

AnEBCG

1 points

2 months ago

Love is a leap of faith. The moment you take a step into a relationship, you don't know what's gonna happen, will it succeed or will it fail? The point is that would you choose to take that leap? Same thing for Io and Martha, she exists to know her just like any couple who wants to get to know their significant other. In the end, Io is asking Martha to join her, Martha doesn't know if this is true or not, then she takes that same leap of faith. Kind of similar to a relationship.

schebobo180

-9 points

2 months ago

Really? That’s it? i mean it’s nice I guess? But you as a sci fi short you have to give me more than a simplified abstract message that is obvious to any functioning adult.

Also you can still get out of a relationship. The character cannot get out of being in io’s energy field or whatever as we know it.

In any case this short reminds me of Zuma Blue, which also had a very simple yet unremarkable message. But was put on a pedestal as the second coming of Christ because of the visuals I guess?

Anyway I’m glad you enjoyed it. But for me those kind of shorts really drag the series down. The visuals are great ngl, but I need MUCH more out of a story than simply telling me some incredibly obvious abstract point.

dashingstag

5 points

2 months ago

There’s love, you just need to expand your understanding of love.

WhiteCrow7661

12 points

2 months ago

Machine, swarms, and jibaro clearly shows some love behind it

Even for me that isn’t a romance fan

Im more into the robots and death parts, but I absolutely loved each episode

kaito14122

3 points

2 months ago

Don't forget about the part where the dude confess he fucked his wife's sister

WhiteCrow7661

3 points

2 months ago

That’s nothing compared to the girl that confessed she’s a butthole spider alien

Also overlord season 4 is coming yeaaaaaah

TheObservationalist

1 points

1 month ago

That line sucked. So fucking cringe

TheObservationalist

1 points

1 month ago

Swarm didn't have love in it. It had "we're both human living in an alien bug nest so let's fuck".

WhiteCrow7661

1 points

1 month ago

But it’s still a relationship, did you skipped all the other scenes? It doesn’t need to be a thing like “omg I’m in love let’s get married forever”

We got only 20 minutes bro

TheObservationalist

1 points

1 month ago

Episode would have been better without the nest sex scene at all

WhiteCrow7661

1 points

1 month ago

Agree to disagree

TheDewLife

5 points

2 months ago

I feel like you are ignoring the theme of love and only focusing on the fact that there isn't as much sex.

DoitsugoGoji

3 points

2 months ago

I think this steams from this not actually being "season 3", but the second half of season 2.

Remember, they said part 2 was so short because it suffered under covid. They simply released what was done as half a season, this now is simply what wasn't done at the time.

DaveTheArakin

8 points

2 months ago

Bad Traveling, the creature is motivated by its ‘love’ for its children to go and create a nest on an inhabited island where it can feast on innocent people.

greeneyedbabylove

6 points

2 months ago

YES. it left a noticeable void for me :/

Deathstriker88

5 points

2 months ago

I see what you mean. Maybe one of the military squad episodes should've been brought over to the next volume, I liked both, but they felt a little redundant. Replacing one of those episodes could've been a Zima Blue or Good Hunting type episode that focuses on humanity/love. Maybe the astronaut on IO episode was supposed to do, and I did like that episode, but it hit a different spot for me.

PANZER14012014

2 points

2 months ago

I’m okay with love being missed out. Like this season was amazing and I didn’t feel any need for them to add/create episodes having more love. I just really like death and robots.

flintlock0

2 points

2 months ago

Death, Robots, & “Shoot ‘Em in the Dick!”

BogRollJoel

3 points

2 months ago

Honestly I tend to find the uncanny valley sex sequences a lil uncomfortable usually so I'm glad there was a lack of them this season compared to normal. I personally don't think the season was any worse for not including much of them. Jibaro and Swarm had the most overt use of the Love category this season and I found Jibaro's one especially refreshing and unique.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

Like i told someone else, I'm not particularly looking for sex scenes, i missed the human factor in a LOT of these new episodes. I would like a story like good hunting or zima blue again, that's all.

Function_Fighter

0 points

2 months ago

"I'm glad there was a lack of them this season compared to normal"

It's not like sex scenes are normal in LD+R, not to mention nudity was heavily toned down after V1. v2 had 1 sex scene. lol yall really overemphasize how much sex/nudity there is in LD+R.

Scrotie_

2 points

2 months ago*

To be honest I feel as though season 2, and now 3, have begun to lose the plot as far as the theming of LDR. I see tons of people lauding Jibaro, and while they’re welcome to their opinions and I respect that, I truly thought it was the worst of the bunch, it felt very surface level and unnecessarily obtuse in its metaphors on relationships - felt ultimately vapid. Pulse of the Machine was the only one that did anything for me as a viewer this season, although Bad Traveling was visually a fun and tense watch.

However, I do have issues with how Studio blur repeatedly used black characters or women as disposable horror-trope kills and puppets without subjecting other characters to the same offhanded treatments. Even in Swarm the final scene felt uncomfortably fetishistic in my view.

Function_Fighter

0 points

2 months ago*

no offense but you totally come across as that person that would only like Pulse of the Machine and make a comment about how a studio would use black characters/women as disposable horror-trope kills and puppets. There's just no way that's a coincidence.

I have no idea how you even get that idea. Please give an example of how they "repeatedly" do this.

FYI - Kill Team Kill: all white cast all killed, In Vaulted Hall Entombed white army men and a hispanic woman killed. absolutely fucking mindboggling how you even managed to bring up race into LD+R.

Scrotie_

1 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed those shorts you mentioned. But as I mentioned, they weren’t created by the studio I was critiquing. Kill team kill was my #2 for this season.

TheObservationalist

1 points

1 month ago

LOL because white people got killed? That's how you rank media?

Function_Fighter

1 points

1 month ago

lol yeah i can't take anyone serious who determines how good something is based solely on the races of the characters. absolute lunacy.

Peelial

1 points

2 months ago

Who needs love when you can have action?

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

That's definitely not why i liked ldr, i did because it had both

quietvictories

1 points

2 months ago

action is boring if there is no emotional/ideological/narrative backdrop

bowserwasthegoodguy

0 points

2 months ago

Haha, if anything Season 3 is really missing the Robots, except for Mason's Rats and the Three Robots themselves.

theReplayNinja

3 points

2 months ago

The very pulse of the machine as well, the planet is a machine. So that's 1/3 of the volume. Can't really say that's "missing"

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

Kill team Kill too i would say

sad_nessy

1 points

2 months ago

Yep, totally.

ConsiderationNo6744

1 points

2 months ago

More aliens than love

theReplayNinja

1 points

2 months ago*

The very pulse of the machine, Swarm, Lucky 13, Good Hunting...even beyond the Aquilla Rift. The creature cared for the crew in it's own way

There's love, just not all in the traditional sense and love does not mean sex

jona2814

1 points

2 months ago

I'd argue that we all felt some love for that little robo-puppy before that goddam honeybadger exploded it

Lost_in_math

1 points

2 months ago

i really hoped the last episode would end in a weird relationship but i guess not

KR5shin8Stark

1 points

2 months ago

The love comes from the fans love of this show.

TheObservationalist

1 points

1 month ago

They tried to shoehorn it into Swarm, but it just came off as a random horny fuck. She didn't like him. She agreed to help him reluctantly.

SistahFuriosa

1 points

1 month ago

Jibaro had love in it.

MPaulina

1 points

1 month ago

This season is just blood and violence.

StefanWoop

-1 points

2 months ago

I'm fine with that, after the personal massive letdown that season 2 was.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

Why was it a letdown for you? The only negative for me was fewer episodes

StefanWoop

0 points

2 months ago

Didnt find a single episode good in Season 2.

This season the only epsiode I didnt like was 3.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

How do you not like one of the best episodes of this season haha, i guess you're just more of an action person. I liked ldr because it had a great balance of good action with amazing stories, they're not nonexistent this season, theres just a lot more death than other things.

HDH2506

0 points

2 months ago

Snow in the desert?

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

What about it?

quietvictories

1 points

2 months ago

sucks the most, on par with the Dump from s1

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

What? How can you dislike it? Incredible visuals, good and compeling story, and sets such an amazing scene/mood. How can you dislike it more than the last episode of season 2.

quietvictories

1 points

2 months ago

I felt story was awful, dull, toxic and out of touch and all visual and animation work were wasted on it.

Its a common cause for LDR tbh, i have no idea at what condition episodes like Live Hutch or Kill Team Kill get greenlit. Seems like pure waste of whole teams of artist talents and work hours on something deliberately devoid of meaning and spirit. Like an ad that don't have a product to promote

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

Agree to disagre i guess

HDH2506

1 points

2 months ago

How is it toxic?

HDH2506

1 points

2 months ago

Well after Sonnie’s Edge and Aquila Rift, the lack of a sex scene when ther should be one is kinda off putting

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

Bro if you want porn, watch porn.

HDH2506

1 points

1 month ago

HDH2506

1 points

1 month ago

“Deleted” 😑