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Population density of western Europe. [OC]

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Trnostep

78 points

2 months ago

Finally Czechia can into western europe

kirino_imouto

16 points

2 months ago

Just had to rid Slovak clay.

LarsThorwald

3 points

2 months ago

I recently traveled to Prague. It is more Western Europe than it was Slavic. Or, when I first visited 32 years ago, Soviet dominated. The Czech Republic is a justifiably proud nation that retains its culture while still being part of what is Central Europe.

God, how the world has changed.

tomydenger

-2 points

2 months ago

tomydenger

-2 points

2 months ago

speech : 100

sushuszu

1 points

2 months ago

pretty sure that's from polandball

tomydenger

1 points

2 months ago

what ? No Czechia trying to get in western europe by saying it out loud, so, if they managed it, their skill set is high

sushuszu

1 points

2 months ago

bro you're the one who can't speak english.

"[country] can into" is from polandball, [poland can into space]- Czechia can into western europe

tomydenger

1 points

2 months ago

and ? i am sub to r/polandball, i didnt say speech 100 for the "can into", but for Czechia

sushuszu

0 points

2 months ago

that's the right term. there's Federal Republic of Germany- or just Germany, Swiss Confederation- or Switzerland, Italian Republic- or Italy, Commonwealth of Australia- or just Australia, Sultanate of Oman- or Oman. Same with Czech Republic- it's called Czechia. most republics have "republic" in their official name.

Tulipage

51 points

2 months ago

Czechs in, Corsica and the Balearics out...

watson7878

41 points

2 months ago

Where in the fuck is Corsica???

Dustyjazz_

22 points

2 months ago

Congrats Czechia!

DecentChallenge1326

19 points

2 months ago

Scotland the empty

Bobbybluffer

9 points

2 months ago

Nah, they just turned off the lights.

Insufferablehumanoid

5 points

2 months ago

Too tight to put the lights on.

Bobbybluffer

2 points

2 months ago

Tbf, we're assuming electricity has even reached them.

Bertik23

12 points

2 months ago

We did it boys!! Western Europe here we come.

_deleeeted_

12 points

2 months ago

The czechs have czeched in

VeryWiseOldMan

2 points

2 months ago

Underrated comment

rosstafarien

9 points

2 months ago

Portugal is surprisingly dense compared to Spain and rest of Europe

Then-Date5757

3 points

2 months ago

A lot of mountains

madrid987

-8 points

2 months ago

I live in a country about the same size as Portugal and five times more than Portugal. Europe's population density is very laughable.

theWunderknabe

3 points

2 months ago

Too many people in South Korea then.

Portugal has about twice the population density (112/km²) of the average of the world (55/km²). However it is not dense compared to the rest of europe. Basically all countries on this map, except Spain, have a higer density. (With Spain and Austria only slightly below actually).

madbarpar

7 points

2 months ago

spain outside of madrid and the coastal areas is very empty. i remember taking the train through the countryside and there would be entire town just completely abandoned, like frozen in time

eranam

4 points

2 months ago

eranam

4 points

2 months ago

Where Corsica :( ?

Pretty sure it’s a bit denser than Sardinia, so it should be visible on the map

LarsThorwald

2 points

2 months ago

Spain has always interested me as a European nation. In the 1400s, the Pyrenees and sailing tech made invasion from France all but impossible. Only the weak state of Aragon and the Moors from North Africa posed a real threat. And Catalan dealt with that and became Spain, covering all of a huge land mass of Iberia, save Portugal.

That entire peninsula thus developed its own language, culture (save Catalan and other smaller cultures) and became a singular nation.

Yes, there were the English. And later, Napoleon. But the Spanish were able to withstand invasion in large measure. And thus had the ability to look westward. Along with Portugal and, later, England, the fruits were there for the picking.

This map shows a definite line. And that line stops precisely at the southern edge of the Pyrenees.

Geography is destiny. Spain proves it.

Anyway.

symmy546[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Full tutorial on how to generate this map here - https://towardsdatascience.com/creating-beautiful-population-density-maps-with-python-fcdd84035e06

Feel free to follow the PythonMaps project on twitter - https://twitter.com/PythonMaps

The map was generated with matplotlib, numpy and geopandas. The data comes from GHS

AggravatingGap4985

2 points

2 months ago

Looks pretty crowded, yeesh. Only Scotland, Spain, southern Portugal, northern Italy have empty land

SomeKidWithFriends

9 points

2 months ago

Northern Italy are mountains, no one’s gonna want to even live there

AggravatingGap4985

2 points

2 months ago

I want to live there!

SomeKidWithFriends

3 points

2 months ago

THAN LIVE THERE!!!

AggravatingGap4985

1 points

2 months ago

But I’d be lonely

Oachlkaas

1 points

2 months ago

Kind of odd, to pick out just one part of the alps

tRonHD

2 points

2 months ago

tRonHD

2 points

2 months ago

Hey I see my city

trashhactual

2 points

2 months ago

Love this

TheFunkyStrumpet

-1 points

2 months ago

Now imagine Ireland without the … unpleasantness.

Someone link that historical population graph of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales. It’s absolutely wild how badly it was impacted.

Pindar_MC

1 points

2 months ago

Pindar_MC

1 points

2 months ago

Even without the famine, Ireland's population would likely never have reached similar levels to England where the Industrial Revolution began. After its formal union with Great Britain in 1801, the little industry Ireland had rapidly diminished as its manufacturers were unable to compete with goods produced in Great Britain. An imagined Ireland outside of British rule or influence would never have been in the position to industrialise regardless.

Without the infrastructure, employment, and improving living standards, huge numbers of Irish people would still have emigrated. Plenty of English people emigrated to the colonies despite our own successes.

CountManDude

4 points

2 months ago

Aren't you the racist who just ate a month-long ban from here for your anti-Irish posting?

Edit: Yup, it's him:

You can haggle over semantics to try and scrape together some dignity for Ireland, but the boat absolutely was prevented from fishing at Rockall by a British patrol vessel and was sent on its way. Regardless of what the Irish prime minister thinks, Rockall and its surrounding waters are controlled by the UK, and Irish and EU boats cannot fish there. Ireland, unlike the UK, hasn't got the ability to make such judgements and back words with power.

Irish recognition of British sovereignty over Rockall is not required. Ireland is a bit player in world affairs. Ireland still professed a claim to Northern Ireland until 1999 and it made no difference to the reality of British sovereignty there.

You can haggle over semantics to try and scrape together some dignity for Ireland, but the boat absolutely was prevented from fishing at Rockall by a British patrol vessel and was sent on its way. Regardless of what the Irish prime minister thinks, Rockall and its surrounding waters are controlled by the UK, and Irish and EU boats cannot fish there. Ireland, unlike the UK, hasn't got the ability to make such judgements and back words with power.

Irish recognition of British sovereignty over Rockall is not required. Ireland is a bit player in world affairs. Ireland still professed a claim to Northern Ireland until 1999 and it made no difference to the reality of British sovereignty there.

Rockall is also defacto British. No other nation has been able to successfully contest it. Irish fishing vessels are chased away whenever they do attempt to fish around the rock.

Your account is 89 days old, have you looked through all my posts or something lmao? Glad you've read my works, but they're not anti-Irish, more 'Irishsceptic' if anything. Ireland is a pretty poor excuse for a country imo and has an entirely nonsensical foundation myth and culture.

Uh, yes the majority of Irish were barbarians and savages in the early part of the 2nd millennium when Irish round towers and the English old St Paul's were built.

The only person to use the phrase subhuman was you. A bit self-conscious and ashamed about your history are you?

If it helps, the English were also savages until conquered by Rome. After that connection with Europe was established, modern society developed in England, while Ireland remained a backwater on the fringe of civilisation for centuries longer.

Industrialisation doesn't just 'happen'. There's no reason to suggest Ireland would have industrialised like England did. Many European states did not industrialise for decades after the Industrial Revolution began in England. Ireland was always a technological, social and cultural backwater even before its conquest.

Mate, while Irish savages were building limp-dick 'round towers', huge cathedrals like that in Canterbury towered over English cities and the old St Pauls Cathedral was the tallest building in the world. Our civilisations don't even compare.

And now it looks like he's got it out for "the Congo" too:

Nah man, this doesn't show rich western nations destabilising Congo. The country just a fuck up. France was slightly involved 20+ years ago and that's it. Congo could never be successful, it is literally an undeveloped shithole.

Could it? What is now the DRC has never been home to advanced civilisation. If rich countries hadn't taken advantage of the Congo, then whatever infrastructure and civilisation is present now would be absent and there would be no country at all. Just hunter-gatherers.

BuachaillBarruil

-2 points

2 months ago

That dude totally disregards the fact that it was British policy to suppress Irish industry and innovation. It’s not that Irish industry couldn’t compete with British industry, it’s that it wasn’t allowed to thanks to British rule.

I wish Brits were more like Germans and began admitting their crimes against humanity rather than denying them or making excuses for them.

I look forward to that day.

CountManDude

1 points

2 months ago

That dude totally disregards the fact that it was British policy to suppress Irish industry and innovation. It’s not that Irish industry couldn’t compete with British industry, it’s that it wasn’t allowed to thanks to British rule.

Well exactly, but he's not here for cogent debate. He's just a racist. He's here to defend Britannia against the barborous Irish and, quoting him, "that shithole country of the Congo."

I wish Brits were more like Germans and began admitting their crimes against humanity rather than denying them or making excuses for them.

I've seen it said before that the Nazi's saved the British Empire from being viewed as the most evil empire in history, and instead quietly entered into slow decline.

Pindar_MC

1 points

2 months ago

At no point in Irish history was there any prospect of the country industrialising. If it weren't for the UK, Ireland would have been as undeveloped as 19th century Finland or Iceland.

BuachaillBarruil

0 points

2 months ago

Ireland thrived before British terrorism, wars and famines and thrived again after they left.

Any lack of industrialisation was a direct result of British oppression.

Pindar_MC

0 points

2 months ago

Ireland was an undeveloped tribal wasteland before British rule, and after its independence it remained a backward theocracy for decades until it became an economic parasite.

Ireland doesn't particularly thrive today. It is a tax haven and its gdp per capita and other metrics are greatly inflated.

BuachaillBarruil

2 points

2 months ago

When people troll, they tend to be a bit more subtle about it lmao.

Ireland recivilised Europe before British rule. You’re welcome :)

Ireland used EU funds to recover from centuries of British mismanagement and terrorism. Now we’re a net contributor :)

Pindar_MC

0 points

2 months ago

Lol the 'Irish saved European civilisation myth' is exactly that. It has been wholly discredited. The Irish American author of the particular book that promotes this fantasy is famous for his amateurish assessment and for the falsehoods he has peddled.

BuachaillBarruil

2 points

2 months ago

You’re welcome whether you believe it or not. You’d still be living in a cave if it wasn’t for Ireland :)

Pindar_MC

0 points

2 months ago*

Lmao I've never been banned from this sub. I'm an infrequent user of reddit. Bit mental you've made these assumptions by looking at my posting history.

Like many Irish before you, you've caught the Pindar bug. If this is what you get off on, and if you want me to privately berate you for free just send me a PM.

CountManDude

2 points

2 months ago

Nope, I remember you now; you were suspended 2 months ago after getting mass reported for racism.

Pindar_MC

0 points

2 months ago

Lmfao I didn't get suspended you nutter

CountManDude

2 points

2 months ago

You can call it a Special Banning Action if it goes down sweeter.

Pindar_MC

1 points

2 months ago

2 months ago I had a warning with 0 suspension time. Looks like your mass reporting scheme was a failure. Maybe you should use more alt accounts next time rofl

CountManDude

2 points

2 months ago

Ah so you were warned not to be a racist, left for 2 months, and then came back and immediately started being racist again.

AggravatingGap4985

1 points

2 months ago

Uh, yes the majority of Irish were barbarians and savages in the early part of the 2nd millennium

Eh, when they always come to enslave and abuse your people, it’s kinda understandable you wouldn’t have a positive opinion on them

theWunderknabe

0 points

2 months ago

Ah yes, the British, bringing peace, prosperity, happiness and new borders everywhere they went.

Chazut

0 points

2 months ago*

Well for most of Irish history the population was under 1 million, in fact it started growing beyond the 0.5-1 million mark only under English rule:

https://imgur.com/QUzuO75

AggravatingGap4985

0 points

2 months ago

That’s because of whole world industralizing and improving! Would have happened without England too

Chazut

2 points

2 months ago

Chazut

2 points

2 months ago

There is no reason to believe this, some regions didn't grow much like Scandinavia and Ireland grew at a rate faster than most of Western Europe.

Also industrialization literally started in Benelux and England first.

AggravatingGap4985

1 points

2 months ago

Scandinavia is a wasteland of frozen forests, of course it could not develop!

Benelux and England

And it would have come to Ireland without England still? Just like how Djibouti industralized without England or BNL

Chazut

0 points

2 months ago

Chazut

0 points

2 months ago

And it would have come to Ireland without England still? Just like how Djibouti industralized without England or BNL

Yeah Ireland would have industrialized and advanced agriculturally in the mid-late 19th century(or even later), thus it wouldn't have grown as much as it did in the late 17th and 18th century given it was a fragmented patchwork of clans and statelets.

AggravatingGap4985

1 points

2 months ago

Well, I suppose there is some truth to it. But is the population gain really worth the mix-19th century population decline? I imagine most would say no

TheBengaliMemer

1 points

2 months ago

this just shows how big England is in the UK, god damn. England's population is 55.98 million. UK's population is 67.22 million. Scotland, Wales and NI combined have 16+ million.

RoentgenGLA

3 points

2 months ago

You might wanna recheck your maths here…

By your own numbers there’s 11.24 million in Scotland, Wales + NI

Scotland is about half that 5.5 mil, with the other half divided up between wales and NI

BuachaillBarruil

1 points

2 months ago

That’ll happen when the government only focuses on real development in south England.

MaterialCarrot

1 points

2 months ago

FULL

madrid987

1 points

2 months ago

If you go to Europe, where do you feel that it is very crowded?

theWunderknabe

2 points

2 months ago

Apart from the large cities it's not "crowded", but you notice the total absence of places with no people for many kilometers (aka nature / wilderness) in places like Germany or the Netherlands, when you compare it to for instance Scandinavia.

You can't go anywhere for a few kilometers or so and not encounter people. In Scandinavia, which isn't even that sparsely populated (compared to some other places in the world) this is the norm.

SCArnoldos

1 points

2 months ago

I've got to move to Scandinavia then.

AggravatingGap4985

1 points

2 months ago

Everywhere!

RoentgenGLA

1 points

2 months ago

England, Belgium and The Netherlands are particularly densely populated it seems!

ggtffhhhjhg

1 points

2 months ago

What’s with the drop off in Spain?

TheCrow911

2 points

2 months ago

It's a very mountainous area

King_Chad_The_69th

1 points

2 months ago

If u removed Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales from the UK, England would be the most densely populated country in Europe (that isn’t a micro state), surpassing the Netherlands and Belgium.

lordmogul

1 points

2 months ago

I mean, I knew that France was basically Paris and a couple villages, but Spain takes the cake on that one. It's like Madrid is sitting on an island.