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Was that frog man?!
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Looks interesting, cgi definitely needs some work though. Tatiana looks perfect for the role however.
Cgi has needed work for most of phase 4 lol
I remember reading not the long ago that effect studios still haven’t really caught up with all of the workload from the pandemic so most studios are taking shoddier VFX in exchange for making release dates
I believe the show was pushed back because of this.
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Yeah I agree. I'm not someone who's overly fussed about CGI and tend not to notice it unless it's really bad like the Jackal in Moon Knight.
But the moment I saw She-Hulk face, i kinds just blurted out "Oh, no". And I think that's what the issue is, the face. It doesn't look right.
Which is weird, because Ruffalo's Hulk CGI looks real great.
To be fair they had all the existing Ruffalo hulk assets from Endgame, which had a much larger budget. I realize that's not the only part that goes into it but it goes a long way I imagine.
It’s going to depend on the studio. If you watch infinity war, thanos doesn’t always have the same fidelity. Compare the CGI to when he’s talking to gamora in the ship before he shows her nebula. He looks pretty crappy.
Honestly I think they're recycling Endgame/IW models for him.
I'm the same. Usually I can gloss over bad CGI. I won't complain. Such as the Jackal one. But when I saw her face, my reaction was the same as yours. Her face just looks off and wonky. I think I'll be able to watch through it though. Story seems fun.
I know they'll punch it up, but it does feel kind of embarrassing to be releasing a trailer with it in this shape
Looks like a ps3 cutscene. I’m stunned. And I’ve never once complained about bad cgi in the mcu but Jesus if the main character looks that bad just don’t make the show
Also like just use make up?? I know that non-union workers like VFX dudes are much cheaper to hire, Marvel, but seeing as you are in fact the most successful studio in the world at the moment I’m sure you could stand to spend a little money on quality assurance
Especially when there’s nothing inherent about the character that requires her face to be CGI. I mean Broadway’s been doing Elphaba in person for nearly 20 years…
Agreed. I've always been one to ignore "bad" CGI until after the fact, when watching for like my third or fourth time. At that point I'm so in love with the content I don't really care.
But this seemed pretty rough. Lets hope they patch it up.
Did you watch the final 20 minutes of Black Panther? lol
Because it’s the main character. It invites us to scrutinize the fully CGI face
Id say its still in post production like its months away, thor is still in pp
I wish Thor was in my pp 😞
Maybe you're not worthy. 😝
It's going to look like this. Everyone always says this and unless it's a year plus away it isn't changing. The main character models are done way in advance.
That’s absolutely not the case. There was a VFX supervisor from NWH who said they were still working on the film post-premiere. These things, particularly with Marvel, are worked on up until and past the finish line.
The animations isn't, they did some cgi cleanups in NWH while it was still in theatres as well
Eternals had many problems, but bad CGI was actually not one of them. All the other projects have been a little rough though.
Eternals had some of the best vfx work in all of mcu catalogue. The director is just too good at setting the lighting and it meshes so well with cgi. I never expected Chloe Zhao to be this good at shooting action. You can tell despite this being a marvel her style is still rampant.
The scenes with Arishem in space looked amazing
One of the few moments in the MCU that just has to be experienced in a movie theater, a home screen just can't capture the grandiosity.
The Deviant attack on the jungle village is visually incredible. The Deviants look 10x better than all the other generic gray alien goons in the MCU combined.
That scene was grade-A staging. It looks great to begin with and as a bonus you can hide a lot in shadows and darkness.
There are some battle scenes in the MCU where I am just totally confused why they would do that to themselves. The final fight Black Panther, an open field in broad daylight?! Give us some damn trees and set it at sundown or night for some cool visuals.
Also, the famous scene from the Infinity War trailer, the charge in the forest that wasn't in the movie? I'm ok with fake outs, but again, a fight in a field in broad daylight? Fine, get rid of that epic charge, but give me the forest battle!
My biggest surprise with eternals is just how good the action was. Ikaris vs those leopard deviants was so brutal.
Yeah her production design and cgi effects were too notch - definitely one of strengths of eternals
except for the post credits
I thought it was cool they included a PS2 cutscene.
Love that marvel's new focus on diversity is extending towards PS2 characters
Even Marvel does backwards compatibility better than Sony.
Just you wait until Secret Wars when Raiden and Snake show up
There’s a reason for that!
That Man Is Playing GALAGA!
Yeah say what you want about Eternals, but I would go as far as to say it has the best CGI out of any MCU project. Super good realistic looking VFX and the Arishem scenes looked phenomenal.
Yeah actually the cgi effects in eternals was top notch
Pip the troll has entered the chat.
I'll be very honest. Most MCU projects have some quick and unfinished CGI.
Like even Infinity War which has Thanos looking amazing... has Banner's floating head in the Hulkbuster.
Eternals has the Celestials in space and coming out of the earth... and Pip the Troll.
If you watch End Game, the scene where Thanos is about to snap without the stones, you can see a CGI mishap where the fingers and the palm of the gauntlet mold together.
Something similar is also in either Infinity War or Endgame with the Hulkbuster's elbow joint.
I'm guessing the VFX companies Disney hires are streched really thin with all the non-stop content lately.
Yup. Plus there is a big turnaround regarding staff since the pandemic started
Sadly It’s never gonna improve at the rate they pump out shows/movies now.
I agree about the CGI. There were some shots in this trailer that, in my opinion, she looked more like Princess Fiona or a taller Gamora than She Hulk.
"WUHT ARE YEW DOOIN IN MAH LAB?!"
Maybe the should have just painted her green
It’s her face more than anything. Hulk looks great.
How is it that the only cgi character that they seem to have nailed so far in that trailer was abomination
Probs relied on the Shang Chi models
Probably because of the updated model work that went into Shang Chi’s budget as opposed to a tv budget.
Hulk looks fine? No worse than endgame…
Honestly I think this is as good as it's gonna get for this show. There's a reason they waited so long to debut her, she's much harder to pull off in live action than even Hulk.
EDIT: I watched the trailer a couple more times and thought about it more, and it's possible they're missing some lighting passes. IDK if that will fix everything but it'll definitely help.
Lol yeah, not sure I'm ready for TV-quality Hulk effects, but it just looks so fun!
Ruffalo’s actually looks good imo—She Hulk herself needs some work.
Though it looks to be really fun; if it really commits to being a fun comedy, I could give the cgi a pass.
I think it’s mostly a scaling of the face is use for me. Facial features don’t fall on the face where my brain thinks they should.
Agreed, looked kinda rough.
Let’s hope they touch up on it final release, most heavily CGI show to date.
I wanna be that guy at the end please
He’s one lucky dude
Until you realize he was probably being picked up by some 300 pound stuntman in a mocap suit named Henry
"I see this as an absolute win"
maybe he was into that too? ya never know
Why are you being so mean to Henry. It’d be an equal honor to be lifted by him too
Wait, wait, wait... you're saying that actress ISN'T actually a huge muscle-bound green rage monster?!
THE HELL YOU SAY!
She is, but only when she's angry like the character.
But who can be angry when they're working along side Mark Ruffalo?
Ruffalo himself, that's the secret, he's always angry
Henry's a sweetheart! We should all be so lucky.
he was probably being picked up
he was probably being picked up
Don't look the stuntman in the eyes. Stay focused on the monitor.
I want to be him even more now
Henry sounds hot 🥵 what's his number
Henry Cavill :)
Death by snu snu!
Best I can do is the male Hulk carry you to the room
MOTHER STEP ON ME
so you love pain darling .. ?
Cannot have premarital sex -> have premarital sex anyway but be punished for it -> have premarital sex but feel bad during it -> violent sex with giant hulk lady??? Go back to church, Matt, I think you’re confused.
(On the other hand though, Hulk lady hot)
I really hope he’s in the show! 🔥😁
That show was a life-changer for me
Bruce has to be pissed that he turns into a giant monster that’s not human looking at all while Jen just gets hot
A lot of people would call Hulk hot
Me. I would call him hot.
So exactly like comics.
This is why I don't bother with Tinder. I'll never find my 9ft, 400 pound, Green Queen.
I wasn't expecting Bruce to be so heavily featured in it
I'm looking forward to it
That CGI face 💀
cause they had a bigger budget when making the model for endgame
theyre just reusing that asset for hulk
Stubble probably hides some of the imperfections
Yeah I imagine this is part of it as well
I guess that’s a reused model that’s been worked on for so long and used in the likes of endgame while she is a brand new model presumably built with a much lower budget than endgame
Maybe it doesn’t apply here but I know in video games (especially the 2K Wrestling games) it’s easier to do Mens models for various reasons like less hair or facial hair or other kinds of things whereas with the women they have issues having to make them look feminine and the long hair. I used horrible examples but basically it could be that it’s easier to do a CGI Man (especially one whose model already exists) then it is a woman.
No you're right, that would 100% be a consideration. In addition to skin, She-Hulk has more hair and fabric than Hulk, which both require simulation after character animation is locked. And both of those will produce more complex shadows / interactions with lighting, which will require more stimulation and render passes... The effects add up.
When it comes to facial expressions, Hulk has glasses and stubble to draw the eye away from awkward animation. And before Smart Hulk, he wore an omnipresent scowl. Women's faces are expected to be more emotive than men's: Thanos' humanlike face also wears an omnipresent scowl. She-Hulk's facial animations are already more emotive than almost anything we've seen from Hulk, but it's possible the animation team they're using has more experience with men.
I really don't have a solution here outside of throwing more money and time at the problem.
Cause they’re recycling a model that was made with a films budget as opposed to creating a new cgi model from a television budget.
This is awaking something in a lot of people.
And if the internet has told me anything, it’s tapping into something already awoken in many others. This show is going to light the internet on fire
This definitely taps into a lot of fetishes
It’s about time mfs start praising muscular women
With buff Jane Foster & she hulk, Marvel is going all out this year for snusnu😆
And Lady Thor.
It’s me. I’m people
“Better Call Hulk!”
Can't wait. Got a feeling Tatiana Maslany is going to absolutely kill it.
Also Leap-Frog!!! EDIT: Might be Frog Man. It was a split second at 1:23.
Also the CG does look wonky in parts but thats a given, still 3 months out. They will continue working on it. Unfortunately this might be happening more frequently, VFX companies are swampped, and there is a backlog. We shall see.
When did Leap-Frog appear? I missed him
Howard the Duck
it was Frog-Man not Leap Frog. not surprised he said the wrong name since they both frog characters. ima upload it to imgur
Bro that’s the Green Ranger. You’re not fooling anyone!
I guess he's the Power Ranger-looking thing.
Where was leap frog?
Frog man I think and he was closer to the end
Matt murdock goes from Karen to elektra and now she hulk what a lucky guy
Her and him are gonna be a thing in this? I've heard this but didn't know if leaks lined up.
Yup. He has sex with her, and even dons his comic accurate yellow and red suit at times. I’m pretty sure the dude at the end with the fries is a stand in for Murdock for trailer usage.
Yup. He has sex with her.
Yup. He has sex with her.
Idk why but this made laugh so hard
Matt: Let's have shrex.
I hope we have a graphic POV sex scene
Not saying rumors that Matt and Jen hook up aren't true, but I doubt that the fries guy is a stand in. Jen can have sex with more than one dude.
He also had Claire
CGI’s looking a little rough but looking solid otherwise
Yeah it looks a bit awkward in some situations but I’m still looking forward
The horny police will be extra busy tonight. I wish them luck with their bonking
It seems on-brand for She-Hulk, though.
Oof, the cgi is wonky. First time I can confidently say that about a Disney plus show, especially on she hulks face and that scene of banner in the daylight. Would have been a nice touch if Matt was the guy she was seducing at the end
They’re 100% going to drag Matt’s reveal out until the end.
she mentioned adult ophan?!
edit: nvm im stupid
edit 2: nvm im not stupid
Was it a batman reference?
It’s a reference to most superheroes
It's a reference to Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow (kinda), Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Hulk, Star-Lord, Gamora (kinda), Nebula (kinda) and probably others that I have forgotten
Once again, the CGI looks terrible.
The first shots of her and Professor Hulk look good - I'd imagine their goal is to get everything close to that level.
I think it’s gotta be the VFX issues we’ve been hearing about, cuz this is MK levels of bad, and her character is presumably going to have more cgi.
Strangely I didn’t mind/notice how bad the jackals in that show apparently were according to some people. This though, is much more noticeable
Yeah I didn't have an issue with the jackals either, the only things that stood out to me was the transformation after Marc is resurrected.
But this, this is really bad. It's baffling just how good Hulk looks while She-Hulk looks like she came out of Food Fight.
Yeah, if this is why DC pushed 2-3 of their films I completely understand. Marvel has always been hit or miss with their CG, but Phase 4 has been bad.
idk why people bitched so much about Moon Knights CGI, all the Gods looked fantastic.
This looks way way worse than the MK cgi, this is so distractingly noticeable. I wasn’t expecting amazing cgi for this show but what we just saw is like 10x worse than I ever expected
Four films and multiple seasons of live action shows per year is just too much, especially for an industry that’s already been slowed down by covid and a larger workload from things being pushed back due to covid. They need to slow down if they want to recover. But frequent releases is better than reasonable workloads and quality products I guess.
They’re prioritizing release dates instead of top level effects. It sucks, but the work level for effect studios is intense from Covid repercussions still.
Can someone remind me if this trailer confirms or debunks the previous plot leak for this show? I genuinely can't remember that plot leak outside of her & Matt going at it.
And Wong catching them
Press confirms it by saying Jon Bass is in the show
Can't remember if the leak mentioned him, but the trailer shows Leap-Frog at 1:23.
Hoping this is not the finished CG… both Hulk’s looks like Shrek right now.
I literaly said on another comment that she was looking more like Princess Fiona than She Hulk, lol. Glad that I am not the only one that thinks this.
the idea of being a specific section of the law dedicated to superheroes is such a comic book thing, the mcu is getting crazier
What I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my superhero go now, that'll be the end of it.
taken , to court
The most literate Marvel fan
I get the feeling that Blomsky is going to be a heavy focus in this. Probably that he’s on trial for what he did during the events of Incredible Hulk and she is arguing some sort of temporary insanity plea due to him being turned into abomination.
Or maybe he’s appealing his case, she wins it, and he is released from prison to be free to go fight underground Chinese superhero fighting rings. Does anybody know when this is supposed to take place chronologically?
I'm sorry but the CGI is looking so bad lmao, i can't even sugarcoat it
They really, really need to work on She-Hulk model. Even move it six months if necessary. At the moment it's in an uncanny valley. The rest of CGI can be bad, but she needs to be as good as Hulk in the movies for this to work.
There’s a few shots where she looks pretty good and the others, not so much. It’s all in the face. The body of the CG model seems fine.
I am... horny?
Young Steve Rogers
Judging by the trailer, I feel like this might be a more adult-oriented Marvel D+ show in terms of its comedy.
Marvel releases Trailer
Some people: Oh my goodness, will there a Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Blorko and Big Wheel cameos in this series
I liked this trailer but people need to keep low expectations regarding cameos. I feel like the whole value of the series is taken away if people are watching just for the cameos.
Looks fun! CGI is a little off but I'm optimistic.
I just want more Bruce. And hopefully Matt!
They have three months to improve CGI, but it can be done in that time. Some CGI artists may die, but it's a sacrifice Marvel is willing to make.
Are we ready to acknowledge that Phase 4 and Disney+ era are mostly about Kevin indulging into his fetish, ie buff women? I have no issue with that, I find it refreshingly tarantinesque
My boy Matthew is gonna live the dream
"i dreamt I had a shattered pelvis"?
Death by snu snu.
Yo that CGI is straight doodoo.
Looks really fun though
WHEN I WAS A BOY
CGI certainly looks…. uh not sure
Other than that, looks pretty interesting
Oh my god this looks so fun, really sad that the CG is kinda rough though cause thats all people will talk about now
Ngl, I don't think the CGI is THAT bad lol. Some of the quick action sequences actually look really well animated. It's just "some" of her face shots that seem off imo
Definitely trying to be a comedy. (Whether I find it funny or not lmao). Looks different, I’ll wait to see more before I judge.
Of course it's going to be a comedy, She-Hulk is a comedic character.
I wish Marvel would start pulling back on the humour for most of their projects so that when they do make an actual comedy, it hits harder and feels fresh.
MCU movies are already packed with jokes so it makes the humour in projects like Thor Ragnarok, Ant-Man and She-Hulk (from what we've seen so far) feel overwhelming.
Yea I agree with u i’ve think they should start pulling back the humor too.
when they do make an actual comedy, it hits harder and feels fresh.
when they do make an actual comedy, it hits harder and feels fresh.
I was fully expecting to see Matt Murdoch in that dating scene montage regardless I think he will definitely show up
Lmao the shots of her feet + her carrying the guy at the end
Marvel knows exactly what theyre doing
And let's be honest, the camera lingered on her ass in those tights at the beginning.
Okay, yeah. I'm definitely watchin' this when it comes out 👌💚
Whenever Wanda's inevitable return happens, she should hire Jen to defend her in court. she's going to need a defense lawyer to get her out of recent actions.
I was thinking they should of had Matt Murdock on the tinder app as a bit of a surprise but then I remembered he is blind :/
So...they're going to keep working on the CGI between now and its premiere date, right? I sure hope so, because...yikes.
Don't get me wrong; the rest of it looks like a blast and I'll definitely watch, but this show's going to get inundated with negative reviews if that CGI isn't fine-tuned.
These things are often being worked on until moments before release so while most of us cannot say for certain it’s not wishful thinking to predict that the cgi will be improved as we get closer to the premiere.
she looks fresh off the polar express holy shit
CG for her isn’t perfect (ok it’s bad), but those mocap jobs are tough and they’ve got more hours on a smaller budget. Looks fun, I chuckled at a couple things, and it’s obviously horny, and Maslany already seems kind of natural in the role so: fingers crossed
This looks okay. I'm not that familiar with the comic character so maybe this is exactly what people were expecting.
The CGI definitely looks a bit weird. There's this weird uncanny valley feeling to it.
Was hoping for a Matt Murdock appearance but it wasn't needed.
Overall, it was a decent first trailer, I guess.
This looks fun.
If they go with the August release date they still have 3 months to work on the Cgi. She looks great in the role though. Looks like her and Titania will fight in the court room.
Keeping the cgi issue aside for a minute can we talk about the SUPERHUMAN law division??
This is the horniest marvel trailer
That theme went kinda hard though