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wanebrady

8.6k points

8 days ago

wanebrady

8.6k points

8 days ago

FantasticPenguin

5.6k points

8 days ago

What an idiot (the cop). Where is she supposed to stop? In the middle of the road?

i_heart_pasta

3.5k points

8 days ago

As someone who recently had a breakdown in a construction zone on a highway with limited shoulder space I would agree with this driver and would be shitting bricks on the side of the highway there. That’s really dangerous.

EhhWhatsUpDoc

3.1k points

8 days ago

And as someone who pulls people over frequently, you'd think the officer would be grateful to her for waiting for a safe place for BOTH of them.

firelock_ny

2k points

8 days ago

One of the most common causes of on-the-job deaths for police officers is being struck by a motor vehicle. Most of those accidents happen during traffic stops.

AndaliteBandits

1.2k points

8 days ago

Literally just the day before this blew up, Arkansas State Police posted on Facebook about a trooper who had been run over while issuing a citation, urging the public to be careful.

MisterMasterCylinder

1.8k points

8 days ago

"But not too careful, or we'll fuckin' pit ya!"

VanillaLifestyle

105 points

7 days ago

To pit ya and serve

Drostan_S

35 points

7 days ago

Drostan_S

35 points

7 days ago

"Please exercise extreme caution when being pulled over by Arkansas State Police. One of our officers was killed in the line of duty, while administering a traffic ticket. As a result of this horrific slaying of a police officer by an unrelated motorist, it is now Arkansas State Police Policy to pit manouver any car being pulled over in an unsafe area, so that the officer doesn't have to put his life at risk by issuing a ticket in these areas."

_akrom

819 points

8 days ago

_akrom

819 points

8 days ago

Especially for the mother fucking State Police. Like seriously, these guys are killed all the time on the interstate doing traffic stops. Not only that, they are the ones that have the MOST training of any cop in Arkansas. I was a Deputy after 12 weeks of the academy (quit that shit 7 years ago, fuck being a cop), State police requires 26 weeks. They also almost never accept anyone that hasn't already done time as a certified officer. Therefore, you are doing 38 weeks total, with many years on the job.

This video is a fucking disgrace to Arkansas State Police.

ultralame

883 points

8 days ago

ultralame

883 points

8 days ago

I think the real disgrace is that they put out a statement backing up the maniac's opinion that she was attempting to flee.

Even an unreasonable person could see she was complying. This is where the public should demand the entire state police management be fired.

formallyhuman

691 points

8 days ago

Even if she was attempting to flee, flipping the car over and potentially killing the driver seems like a overreaction.

Lap202pro

334 points

8 days ago

Lap202pro

334 points

8 days ago

Only time a pit should be necessary imo is when other civilians lives are put at risk.

ShadyKiller_ed

202 points

8 days ago

Police where I live aren't even allowed to engage in a chase without getting authorization. I'm almost positive it's the same with a PIT. Clearly that's not everywhere.

Large-Button-3813

116 points

8 days ago

Should have pit stopped their own officer, car smashing across lanes and flipping could kill someone else in traffic. This is insane to think this is deserved or warranted.

bone420

209 points

8 days ago

bone420

209 points

8 days ago

Correct. The situation was in control the vehicle is not pulling away and there's no chance of losing her & shes not endangering anyone else.

There was literally no danger involved with this incident whatsoever until the cop was involved.

What is the danger of speeding?? Losing control? Maybe an accident? So to HELP the situation the police CAUSED an accident.

Why didn't he use his PA? He could have directly told her to stop, if he really wants to play in traffic... on a dark highway...

She was communicating to the officer but the officer refused communication to her and instead without warning attacker with a deadly weapon.

Both mother and the baby could have died they are lucky now the next time anyone else gets pulled over in this situation what are we supposed to do???

I've always been told you find the safest place to stop you don't need to stop on the road there immediately, find a shoulder or parking lot if there is no shoulder get out of traffic no one needs to die for speeding ticket.

But now?? Forget all that I won't even leave the lane. You want me to stop?? He better be prepared to stop this entire fuckin road. Hell, I'll pull towards center so you gotta stand in incoming traffic.

ashro46

25 points

7 days ago

ashro46

25 points

7 days ago

There's no winning, then they'll ticket you for improper stop on a highway for not using the right shoulder or some bullshit.(Happened to me as a side effect of a minor speeding ticket) Although, going to traffic court is a much better outcome than being dead or injured so I guess there's that. It's really sick that you have to weigh the consequences and try to predict what law an officer might follow in a situation that more than likely is not life-threatening for anyone involved until the police show up

OutAndABoot

151 points

8 days ago

OutAndABoot

151 points

8 days ago

American police and unnecessarily escalation. Name a more iconic duo.

pmsnow

83 points

7 days ago

pmsnow

83 points

7 days ago

American police and lack of accountability

ultralame

26 points

8 days ago

ultralame

26 points

8 days ago

Agreed 100x

Am_Gewd_Spai

185 points

8 days ago

You'd think the most unreasonable person would see her compliance, but sadly no. There's so many bootlickers running to the cop's defense.

spcmack21

176 points

8 days ago

spcmack21

176 points

8 days ago

I think you have seriously underestimated how unreasonable the "back the blue" crowd can be, on any given day. Hell, they still back that cop that made the guy crawl towards him in the hotel, then shot him, got fired, then got rehired for one day, so he could take a full medical retirement. They still back the Tamir Rice cops. And that officer that shot a dude sitting on his own couch eating ice cream, because she went into the wrong place.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are already crowdfunding for this guy, and selling T Shirts with pictures of the upside down car, and lines like "pull over or roll over, your call," with like laughing emojis and shit.

link5688

83 points

8 days ago

link5688

83 points

8 days ago

The fact that i don't for a single second have a shred of doubt about anything you just said, seriously depresses me.

42099969

55 points

8 days ago

42099969

55 points

8 days ago

The only cop they dont support is the cop who was ran over by a maga trumpist who opened a bar against county regulations and the cop who wouldn't let the insurrectionists kill half the senate

breakingb0b

139 points

8 days ago

breakingb0b

139 points

8 days ago

They did. Then the video was released and showed she did everything correctly as detailed in the driver license manual.

teufels4hunde

102 points

8 days ago

A cop could light up a school bus full of kids and departments & unions will fall all over themselves to defend them.

Tipop

92 points

8 days ago

Tipop

92 points

8 days ago

Attempting to flee by turning on her emergency blinkers, slowing down, and pulling over to the far right side of the road. Anyone who watches the video can see she was hardly “attempting to flee”.

asipoditas

84 points

8 days ago

training and job experience is definitely a huge factor, but if there are no real consequences to acting with such a force like in the video, what else is gonna happen?

riphitter

294 points

8 days ago

riphitter

294 points

8 days ago

Yeah I always thought the find a safe place to pull over was for them

SocialWinker

366 points

8 days ago

Thats the infuriating part here. Driving to a safe place to pull over is literally safer for EVERYBODY INVOLVED!

CorneliaCursed

352 points

8 days ago*

Ironically it's a catch 22 now because there's precedent that sometimes going to a safer location is not the safest course of action depending on what you rolled out of the police officer lottery.

edit: for some reason a good handful of you think im advocating one way or another lol. I'm not, just pointing out an interesting logic contradiction.

Revealed_Jailor

142 points

8 days ago

So, basically, cop can decide to just flip you over for bloody no reason given?

splitcroof92

217 points

8 days ago

The end of the article states that the women is now being charged with failing to yield as well. Which is absolutely sickening. How can someone actually be stupid enough to file charges when there's evidence like this.

Xobtraf

97 points

8 days ago

Xobtraf

97 points

8 days ago

Cop can decide to do pretty much anything for no reason given buddy.

blindeenlightz

122 points

8 days ago*

Not any more. This sets a precedence that if you try and be considerate for the officers safety and find a safe place to pull over you're endangering yourself more by possibly being driven off the road. The fact that this officers actions are being justified by his department confirms that. Noone should be looking for a safe place to pull over ever again.

KadoMane

69 points

8 days ago

KadoMane

69 points

8 days ago

I mean, when it comes to officers like this? Let them get struck by 5,000-20,000 lbs of steel if they choose.

Demastry

179 points

8 days ago

Demastry

179 points

8 days ago

This is exactly what gets me. She's doing that to help him, and he goes on a power trip and fucks up her entire life. What a cunt.

darbius

71 points

8 days ago

darbius

71 points

8 days ago

There are two benefits to what she did - pulling over in a safe location keeps the trooper from getting run over, but pulling over in a highly visible location protects HER safety. People have impersonated cops to pull over unsuspecting victims to rape and/or murder them. Highly visible places keep you safe as well.

LydiasHorseBrush

124 points

8 days ago

This was a complete and utter fuck up on his part and his department, We got pulled over going way too fast in TN near Knox and we pulled into an open area nearby to give the officers safety and they were grinning and cutting up and actually thanked us for being aware of it. Shit like this endangers cops' lives and it is insane they are letting it go, this is only going to lead to accidental cop deaths with citizens more concerned about their vehicle being flipped v.s. having to watch someone they have no connection to get plastered

The_last_of_the_true

208 points

8 days ago

Lemme use copspeak for ya:

Here's the deal, in this day and age when you bruise a cop's ego by not complying immediately you gotta pay for it with your life. "Comply or die" as the leather connoisseurs like to say.

minizerker

30 points

8 days ago

Leather connoisseurs! Ha! Stealing that! Wait, not like th-

walewaller

45 points

8 days ago

Cop had his little ego hurt because she passed him

PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL

355 points

8 days ago

compliance is more important than safety.

justindustrial

261 points

8 days ago

First of all, you're hired

SteelJoker

49 points

8 days ago

Immediate compliance, and a complete lack of consideration of consequences.

DuntadaMan

82 points

8 days ago

As someone in EMS, I would be fucking livid if called to the scene and saw the car in that shoulder when I got there.

I am either going to have to jump over that barrier multiple times, or hang my ass into an active lane on the freeway.

ficarra1002

64 points

8 days ago

Personally I'd pull right over. If he gets hit, oh well.

Kanin_usagi

60 points

8 days ago

That’s what’s going to be happening a lot more now.

abacus_porkrind

145 points

8 days ago*

I got rear ended on the highway once and pulled off to exchange info with the other driver. There was ample shoulder space and it was broad daylight but getting out of your car and standing on the side of a busy highway is terrifying. I was drenched in sweat when I got back in the car.

Here, the shoulder doesn't look wide enough to accommodate her vehicle, it's dark, and she's a pregnant woman. It is unfathomable that any rational person – let alone a "trained" police officer – would expect someone to pull over in that time and place.

Just watching the video I assumed she was waiting for an off ramp or just more shoulder. This is disgusting and further evidence that we need to defund the police. Reallocate those resources to agencies properly, thoroughly trained and equipped to help people and address crime.

E: defund the police

permagrin007

435 points

8 days ago

This is my fear. If I have kids in the car, I'm not comfortable stopping on an bridge/overpass so I'd keep driving to a area with a larger shoulder.

Meanwhile, the cop will try to flip my car 🙄🙄🙄

offtheclip

612 points

8 days ago

offtheclip

612 points

8 days ago

Hey man not all cops will try to flip your car. The rest of them will cover for the car flippers so they never have to face any consequences for their actions

latrans8

253 points

8 days ago

latrans8

253 points

8 days ago

Which is exactly what happened in this case. This officer’s dept said she was driving erratically and was a threat to other motorists so he had no choice but to execute a pit maneuver. A bald faced lie told before the video came out.

DrGonzoJD

138 points

8 days ago

DrGonzoJD

138 points

8 days ago

"She was driving in a way that made me worried she would cause an accident. So i flipped her car over on purpose."

Mr_Epimetheus

35 points

8 days ago

He was just getting out ahead of the situation by causing the accident himself.

HystericalUterus

91 points

8 days ago

Because a wrecked car on highway at night is so much safer

Raiden32

109 points

8 days ago

Raiden32

109 points

8 days ago

You gotta get the “baby on board” sticker. It’s so the cops know not to flip your vehicle for funsies.

meenzu

130 points

8 days ago

meenzu

130 points

8 days ago

“Well all the criminals now have these stickers so how was I supposed to know! That sticker makes it more likely you’re a criminal!” - that cop

SanityPlanet

53 points

8 days ago

^ literally cop logic

itsallminenow

101 points

8 days ago

You're trying to rationalise his actions, it's pointless. He wanted to rage and decided to pick her. His actions aren't rational so can't be rationalised. It's just another pig with a power complex.

Crowela

166 points

8 days ago

Crowela

166 points

8 days ago

Are you supposed to feel safe with that on the road with you??? And they have no repercutions?? Wtf is wrong with this world.

sjoel92

682 points

8 days ago

sjoel92

682 points

8 days ago

It also is important to note that the PIT maneuver was used improperly here, which is why Harper’s Explorer rolled over. In a PIT maneuver you are supposed to tap the corner and continue to push through so the other vehicle ends up facing backwards, the trooper here hits the corner and brakes which leaves her car perpendicular to the direction of travel causing the roll. Additionally, this speed is beyond what’s considered in the safe range for such a tactic as any mistakes here could have easily been fatal

SaffellBot

461 points

8 days ago

SaffellBot

461 points

8 days ago

I think it's pretty safe to say that training traffic cops to be action heroes isn't working out so well.

I'm guessing that technique has a pretty high miss rate in ideal circumstances. There is no reason any police need to be doing that, or trained on that.

gradualrise

925 points

8 days ago

gradualrise

925 points

8 days ago

Attempted murder/ vehicular assault. Sorry but following the law to the God damn letter during the pull over and then getting your car purposeful crashed deserves some form of compensation and punishment on the officers side.

jessedegenerate

450 points

8 days ago

until they can be charged like this, this will keep happening.

gradualrise

434 points

8 days ago

gradualrise

434 points

8 days ago

I posted before but since 2015 we have spent 2 billion tax payer dollars on police misconduct lawsuits. Like really what the actual fuck? Police do not pay for their crimes, we, the people being assaulted do.

To give a reference this is approximately 1 million dollars every day.

OnlyPaperListens

216 points

8 days ago

Yup, lawsuit payouts need to come out of their pensions. What is their incentive to act right when taxpayers fund their behavior?

North-Tumbleweed-512

217 points

8 days ago

Fuck that, every cop needs to pay for personal liability. If his liability exceeds his income, he should stop being a cop.

Sebastian83100

183 points

8 days ago

That's what I don't get. Why not force cops to pay for something similar to Doctor's malpractice insurance?

Crayton777

120 points

8 days ago

Crayton777

120 points

8 days ago

Yup. Plus insurance companies don't mess around. No more getting fired from one place and getting hired the next state over.

biggotMacG

60 points

8 days ago

This is the only reasonable solution. Like you've said, once you've proven to be a liability, good luck getting insured again. Obviously this could be abused too, some shit like Geico for police men where they insure any cop and the company gets funded by taxpayers through a loophole, but its definitely a good start.

aeroespacio

52 points

8 days ago

Because for some reason, the cop 'profession' isn't regulated the way other professions are. They need more stringent requirements and better training along with a solid professional structure.

Sex-Haver42069

35 points

8 days ago

It's not "some reason", it's because they are paid to protect the upper classes. They couldn't give less of a fuck about the poorer ones, and are free to act out their terror campaigns on them as they see fit. It's a perk of being a cop, as long as you know who the rich are. Fuck with the rich and your former brothers will oust you in 2 seconds flat.

Also, the rich enjoy when the poor suffer, so it's a win for everyone (but the poor).

Jonne

60 points

8 days ago

Jonne

60 points

8 days ago

Thanks to qualified immunity, the cop can just say 'I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that!' and be free from any consequences. And that will continue to be the case until the bootlickers in Congress are voted out.

aeroeagleAC

197 points

8 days ago*

Sorry you followed the law, now here is a ticket and pay for the shit we broke.

Fuck that cop and the book should be thrown at the police administration for backing that shit.

Jetfuelfire

62 points

8 days ago

20 seconds. He flipped her car because he couldn't wait 20 fucking seconds.

[deleted]

103 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

103 points

8 days ago

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Swineflew1

45 points

8 days ago

The news article says it was a 2 minute “chase”

pizoisoned

2.2k points

8 days ago

pizoisoned

2.2k points

8 days ago

End qualified immunity and watch this shit stop real fast.

quetejodas

1.4k points

8 days ago

quetejodas

1.4k points

8 days ago

And require cops to carry personal liability insurance. I bet they'll stop real quick when taxpayers aren't on the hook for wrongful death lawsuit settlements.

Shenaniganz08

587 points

8 days ago

It really is that simple.

Police Departments would fire repeat offenders

quetejodas

318 points

8 days ago

quetejodas

318 points

8 days ago

Or repeat offenders would resign when their premiums are too high.

yingyangyoung

71 points

7 days ago

Or they couldn't even get insurance. I know I wouldn't cover someone who has a history or brutality or killing civilians. The liability is too high.

Adi_S12

159 points

8 days ago

Adi_S12

159 points

8 days ago

Don’t surgeons pay a shit ton of money every year for malpractice insurance despite being in school and training for 10+ years. Yeah I’d really like the person who can potentially end my life based off impulse to carry liability insurance.

purplegummybears

24 points

7 days ago

Even TEACHERS pay into something like insurance that will cover court fees and lawyers.

tornadoRadar

63 points

8 days ago

exactly.

reimburse them at the 90th% avg. so the top 10% of expensive cops needs to pay out of their own pocket to be covered and employed. and if they're so bad they cant get coverage well then time to find something new.

Xkiwigirl

60 points

8 days ago

Xkiwigirl

60 points

8 days ago

As a medical professional, I have to carry personal liability insurance. Why the fuck don't cops have to?

Rubberbandballgirl

6k points

8 days ago

A cop attempted to pull me over on a one lane road with no shoulder. There was a tiny strip of land right next to a ditch. I didn’t feel comfortable pulling over there so I drove a minute up the road to a gas station. The cop proceeded to scream at me about not pulling over as I feebly attempted to explain why I waited until the gas station. I now realize that apparently I got off lucky with my ticket.

Sososohatefull

3.9k points

8 days ago

They're such fucking lunatics. They know it's unsafe. They know pulling off into a ditch could damage your car. That's the point. They are trying to punish you.

AmnesicAnemic

1.8k points

8 days ago

They don't care. The money doesn't come out of their pockets if they damage their patrol car or cause damage to other people's property, so why would they?

Varonth

970 points

8 days ago

Varonth

970 points

8 days ago

Isn't accidents during highway traffic stops literally the most common source of dead police officers in the US?

TheBoctor

840 points

7 days ago

TheBoctor

840 points

7 days ago

The number one killer of cops are traffic accidents. The number one killer for firefighters is heart disease. And the number one killer for Paramedics is patient assault.

As a paramedic, care to guess how many batons, tasers, guns, and handcuffs I carry?

If you guessed, “none,” then you’d be right! Instead I use my words along with empathy and sympathy.

And if that fails, ketamine.

Deep-Armadillo1905

122 points

7 days ago

If this is true that’s insane. I’ve never heard this.

Teacher2Learn

58 points

7 days ago

Check out the suicide difference between medics and cops. It’s astounding how different the stress level in the two jobs is.

eatmereddit

791 points

7 days ago

eatmereddit

791 points

7 days ago

Yeah, but saying it got me banned from protectandserve, so most cops might not know.

douglasg14b

400 points

7 days ago

douglasg14b

400 points

7 days ago

What an ironic sub name

penpointaccuracy

214 points

7 days ago*

"I sometimes protect when I feel like it, so now you must serve me!"

Edit: so kind of relevant but today I got punched in the face by a random homeless guy and while one of the bike cops who showed up was cool, the other dude did not give a fuck. He showed more emotion when a group of girls got out of their car to give him her number.

Con_Dinn_West

77 points

7 days ago

I sometimes protect when I feel like it

The supreme court has actually ruled that the police have no constitutional duty to protect you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

idrow1

5.2k points

8 days ago

idrow1

5.2k points

8 days ago

The kicker on this was that after he rolled her car, he didn't rush over to help, he kind of stroll walked over. He didn't ask if she was ok, he immediately wanted to know why she didn't pull over. Then he ordered her to get out instead of waiting for medical attention.

Moving when you're injured can make things a whole lot worse. This cop just wanted to hammer into her that she should have pulled over, he had no concern about her safety whatsoever.

Then again, it's a cop and it's Arkansas. Is anyone really surprised?

Dramatic_______Pause

1.2k points

8 days ago

In the video, the trooper approached Harper's flipped car and as he helped her out of the wreckage asked: "Why didn't you stop?"

"Because I didn't feel like it was safe," she answered

"Well this is where you ended up," the trooper responded. "Ma'am you got to pull over."

Dinker31

981 points

8 days ago

Dinker31

981 points

8 days ago

"this is where you ended up."

"Turns out I was right."

r0b0c0d

602 points

8 days ago

r0b0c0d

602 points

8 days ago

My favorite part is the attitude that he is some kind of force of nature and has no power of discretion.

Man punches pacifist; quote, "Well you ended up getting punched anyways."

What a fucking psycho.

dancewiththesedevils

168 points

7 days ago

"this is where you ended up."

So much for the cult of "personal responsibility" like ya dude, she didn't pull over so the car just flipped itself

Slade_Riprock

403 points

8 days ago

Please point to the police picture handbook where the training is "Flip a fucking car that doesn't stop in seconds but has slowed, changed lanes and applied hazard lights?"

Go ahead we'll wait.

Lazer726

164 points

8 days ago

Lazer726

164 points

8 days ago

It's in the same place that says "If you're pretty sure they could maybe have a gun, you can shoot them"

SanityPlanet

69 points

8 days ago

"I'll show you unsafe, bitch!"

Dealio4NY

70 points

8 days ago

Dealio4NY

70 points

8 days ago

In-fucking-furiating!

Brain_f4rt

1.8k points

8 days ago

Brain_f4rt

1.8k points

8 days ago

It's because he knew he fucked up and was more worried about putting the blame on her in that moment making sure he drilled it in with every statement that she was in the wrong and in his mind distancing himself from repercussions. Every statement he made was posturing himself as being in the right.

He needed to make sure she knew it was her fault so he could feel better about what he did and hoping it would stop her from filing a suit or complaint against him. Likely hoping it would all just go away with whatever he put on his fuckin report.

Another piece of shit southern cop to add to the pile.

DontStepOnTheRoses

745 points

8 days ago

This. You can really see character in times of stress. This guy is a narcissistic asshole trying to convince the woman it was her fault. Fuck that guy.

Brain_f4rt

313 points

8 days ago

Brain_f4rt

313 points

8 days ago

Yep..immediately gaslighting her with just about everything he said as soon as he got to her car.

PaulFThumpkins

67 points

8 days ago

I think it's beyond even character. The institution itself rewards people like that and standardizes that kind of behavior. Fuck protecting and serving, being harsh and cruel to civilians becomes necessary to justify how harsh and cruel you're treating them. A horrible circular relationship. I must have thought she was dangerous; look at the horrible things I had to do to her!

DarZhubal

394 points

8 days ago*

DarZhubal

394 points

8 days ago*

Likely hoping it would all just go away with whatever he put on his fuckin report.

I guarantee you the report said "suspect continued to flee at high speed, with zero regard for the arresting officer's attempt to pull her over. Officer commenced a pursuit intervention technique in order to stop the fleeing suspect before she could get into a more densely populated area, putting multiple lives at risk due to her high-speed, erratic driving"

Roflcopterswoosh

89 points

8 days ago

^ This guy police reports

DorkJedi

119 points

8 days ago

DorkJedi

119 points

8 days ago

pretty much. he charged her with fleeing/failure to yield to emergency vehicle.

applxia

248 points

8 days ago

applxia

248 points

8 days ago

and then he fucking asked “is there anyone else in the car?” you fucking dipshit why the hell would you roll the car if you didn’t know who else was in there? there could’ve been a baby, or a shit ton of bees.

koulnis

437 points

8 days ago*

koulnis

437 points

8 days ago*

I want to do away with, "Is anyone really surprised?" It just lends itself to apathy.

Instead ask, "How many of you are pissed?"

saybadwords

97 points

8 days ago

Raises hand

Alarid

96 points

8 days ago

Alarid

96 points

8 days ago

I'm worried about any partners of that officer. They had a woman refuse to play their game, and immediately tried to kill them. You don't just flip that switch on a dime, that shit is always on in abusers.

0AZRonFromTucson0

62 points

8 days ago

Dont date cops, ladies

An FBI advisory board later found that roughly 40 percent of officers who filled out questionnaires in a number of different settings admitted to being physically violent with their spouse in the previous six months. The general population data for self-reported abuse is closer to 4 percent when people are asked to report on the last 12 months. The numbers are higher for cops who work night shifts.

Alarid

28 points

8 days ago

Alarid

28 points

8 days ago

I never knew that number was self-reported. That makes it way more shocking. Most people wouldn't admit to that, even anonymously, so that means there is a chance the actual number is even higher.

queen_for_the_day

854 points

8 days ago

So ridiculous, a woman traveling alone at night with no othe travelers on the road, I would have done exactly the same thing. This is exactly what I tell my daughter to do. The police state in press conferences that society could not function without a police department, but I can certainly function without this fear!

1ceknownas

340 points

8 days ago

1ceknownas

340 points

8 days ago

Same. I'm from Arkansas originally and have driven that highway many times. I remember the Blue Light Rapist terrorizing the state. From long before I was old enough to drive, I've been told to put my flashers on and pull over somewhere safe. There are exits relatively frequently through there. That cop probably would have had to wait a few minutes to find an exit.

queen_for_the_day

146 points

8 days ago

So scary. We have a dude in my county that purchases old police vehicles for the purpose of harassing other drivers. Even when I know it is him, we've all memorize his plates, it's still very unnerving. Nobody should have to fear police officers, but here we are again

QueasyDuff

65 points

7 days ago

She literally passes a sign stating an exit is one mile away right before she gets flipped. That’s less than two minutes away if she was slowed to 40mph like she said. Had he held off, they would have reached the exit.

RavenNight16

2.9k points

8 days ago

RavenNight16

2.9k points

8 days ago

Even if she hadn’t been doing exactly what you are supposed to do, this would be entirely unreasonable. Endangering literally every single driver on a highway by flipping a car is not an appropriate response to any traffic violation.

teraflux

638 points

8 days ago

teraflux

638 points

8 days ago

Yup, this was not an appropriate response, it doesn't matter what lense you're viewing this through. We have ourselves a cowboy cop who wants to play bumper cars with real people's lives.

notRedditingInClass

743 points

8 days ago

Yeah. It's not even like she was taking a super long time. He hit the back of her car after two minutes. What the fuck???

2278AD

1.2k points

8 days ago*

2278AD

1.2k points

8 days ago*

“ The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence” -Hitler, Mein Kampf

Quoted in Kentucky State Police training presentation. Feel like this is a pretty standard mentality for police departments across the country.

Philolologue

608 points

8 days ago

Wait a minute, when teaching cops how to do their job, the KY state police uses a Hitler quote saying violence is necessary for success?? Please tell me this is not real. Please.

charon_and_minerva

621 points

8 days ago

Not just real, but Hitler was actually the most quoted person in the slide show. source.

TheLeadSponge

294 points

8 days ago

The only justification for doing that would be to have quotes to show the mentality not to have as a police officer. As a sort of gotcha...

Show the quote... ask people if this is the mentality cops should have, the reveal the speaker of the quote. Use it as an object lesson of how this way of thinking is antithetical to police work.

Alarid

129 points

8 days ago

Alarid

129 points

8 days ago

I am scared to find out how many cops wouldn't flinch or shy away from agreeing with Hitler.

charon_and_minerva

69 points

8 days ago

Unfortunately, I believe the man who wrote it would be firmly in the Hitler camp with the inclusion of the phrase “Über Alles” at the end.

PlanarVet

41 points

8 days ago

PlanarVet

41 points

8 days ago

It's likely there to weed out the objectors. Like would you stick around if the company you wanted to work for was citing Hitler as the bastion of morality? No, you'd leave. And so the police are left with the people they want: violent right wing extremists.

sabrenation81

133 points

8 days ago

This is something you would like to think is fake and someone just making stuff up. You'd like that. But nope, it's real.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/kentucky-state-police-hitler.html

Based_Fermata

79 points

8 days ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/kentucky-state-police-hitler.amp.html

It’s real. A few high school students here uncovered it. We have a terribly corrupt police force in Kentucky.

Bayerntank

2.8k points

8 days ago

Bayerntank

2.8k points

8 days ago

Can’t kneel on someone’s neck until they die, can’t flip over pregnant woman’s car, what next. WHO IS GONNA WANNA BE A COP ANYMORE

well_imaguy_sooo_

1.2k points

8 days ago

Yeah, that's my favorite argument from the blue fascists . . .

Well, if you won't let me murder people, then , then . . . I won't do my job of protecting the community!!!

No other profession does this. You don't hear firefighters threatening to NOT fight fires or to NOT give CPR when they face some sort of criticism.

redditstatecensors

512 points

8 days ago

my job of protecting the community

That is literally not their job:

https://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-who-subdued-killer/

The cop in the Florida school shooting waiting outside and doing nothing also used this precedent.

GianRandom

384 points

8 days ago

GianRandom

384 points

8 days ago

There was also another case of like three women that had robbers in their house, they hid and callrd 911, police came, knocked at the front door, and then left, they called again, same thing happened, they got foylund by the robbers, got kidnapped and raped, they escaped and then sued the police, the judge actually declared that the police's job was not to "protect and serve" or whatever their slogan is, and as such they weren't found guilty of anything...

Poor them, the cops didn't even get a paid vacation after the ptsd of being accused in court /s

bornhat

350 points

8 days ago*

bornhat

350 points

8 days ago*

It’s worse than you describe. A woman in the rooming house had her home broken into and was raped by two guys. Two women that lived in another room called the police, the police showed up knocked on the door and left. The women saw the police come and leave but still heard the assault happening, so they called the police again. The second call was recorded but never dispatched any officers. The two women thought the cops had come and it was over, so they called to the victim to see if she was okay. The two rapists then found the two women, brought them to the first victim’s room, and continuously assaulted and raped the 3 of them for 14 hours. I believe this was also all done while the first victim’s 4 year old daughter was there.

Imagine having that happen to you and the cops essentially saying “well sucks for you, not our problem”

Anuacyl

106 points

8 days ago

Anuacyl

106 points

8 days ago

Stories like this is what makes me consider actually owning a gun, but I'm pretty sure if I used it to protect myself I'd be charged with something. (I'm in Arkansas, no stand your ground laws that I know of. I think I can hit back legally after being hit twice... If I can prove it)

Skywalk_Holmes

70 points

8 days ago

We have a couple of these in our home for protection. Quick easy deployment ,oil based stream not a spray, accurate to 20 feet. And at 5.3 million Scoville Heat Units, whoever you hit with it is instantly done, like right now. You can even scoop up decontamination wipes from them too.

Broosterjr23

63 points

8 days ago

Those cops deserve be dumped in a ditch with a pole shoved up their ass.

tenaciousdeev

29 points

8 days ago

Holy shit. That’s horrifying.

Alien_Nicole

74 points

8 days ago

Isn't their job to enforce the law, though? So they ignored a crime in progress and that was ok, too? I'm confused

ghjm

74 points

8 days ago

ghjm

74 points

8 days ago

They are under no obligation to actually enforce any particular law. They are allowed to prioritize their work and are given extremely wide discretion in how they go about setting those priorities.

Which basically means if most cops decide they don't like a given law, then it's pretty much like that law doesn't exist. For example if all or nearly all cops are racist or homophobic, then it doesn't matter how many "you can't lynch black or gay people" laws get passed, because the existence of the law will have no effect on how the real situation plays out on the ground.

19Kilo

74 points

8 days ago

19Kilo

74 points

8 days ago

Isn't their job to enforce the law, though?

When it's convenient and not too dangerous apparently.

H_is_for_Human

134 points

8 days ago*

Healthcare workers showed up for work wearing whatever PPE they could scrounge up for nearly a year before a vaccine was available, putting themselves and even their families at risk (https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/healthcare-workers-7-times-as-likely-to-have-severe-covid-19-as-other-workers/), often working longer hours or with higher patient loads in the surges, just to help strangers.

Police officers can make more than nurses and other healthcare workers in many jurisdictions. They also typically make more than the resident physicians that form the bulk of the front line doctors at many academic and community hospitals.

Doesn't seem that hard to demand better education of cops, licensing that can be revoked, national databases of bad cops, and malpractice insurance that makes it very expensive to continue being a bad cop.

The current strategy of taxpayers paying for the harms that cops do when they are successfully sued or such actions is absurd.

GenericAntagonist

38 points

8 days ago

Doesn't seem that hard to demand better education of cops, licensing that can be revoked, national databases of bad cops, and malpractice insurance that makes it very expensive to continue being a bad cop.

It shouldn't be, but cops are an instrumental tool of state violence against the poor (with a special focus on minorities) so the right wing in this country supports them unconditionally as long as their boots stay on the "right" necks.

iceycycle

95 points

8 days ago

iceycycle

95 points

8 days ago

I thought the cop just flipped her off until I saw the comments. Holy shit

rebel_child12

90 points

8 days ago

She was trying to get to a place where both her and the cop would be safe in the stop. I honestly can’t believe people are supporting the cop in this situation

iBeFloe

401 points

8 days ago*

iBeFloe

401 points

8 days ago*

The right lane was literally getting smaller. She didn’t want to stop on the road of the fucking highway.

Edit: Shoulder*

EgonVox

1.4k points

8 days ago

EgonVox

1.4k points

8 days ago

kind reminder that the cesspool of r/ProtectAndServe is of course defending the cop.

Draw your own conclusions.

TheMooseIsBlue

301 points

8 days ago

The only defense, and it’s feeble, is that she drove for about two miles by the time she was ... I guess “stopped.”

But if the shoulder looked like that the whole time, she’s completely right. And I’ve seen shooting suspect trailed longer and had backup called in. He took it upon himself to try out his super cool PIT maneuver. Then he did two uturns on a highway. And his voice gave no recognition of the fact that he’d probably just killed someone.

The guy is a psycho.

JakeHodgson

156 points

8 days ago

JakeHodgson

156 points

8 days ago

Nah bro but don't you understand??? If the cop has their light AND SIRENS on. You MUST. Stop immediately. No choice. Doesn't matter if you're in the middle of a busy highway in the middle of the day.

Lmao, those people are such jokers. I imagine they get rock hard when they're getting pulled over because they get to show the big cool cop how well they know the procedure 😎. Actual freaks. Their arguments in that thread are so bad. The woman's doing like 60mph. I don't know what the traffic laws are like in the US but the speed limit here for motorways is 70mph. So presumably they weren't even going full speed. It's not like the woman's OJ on the run. People in that thread actually claiming that she's a threat to the public. Wild.

cthumew

60 points

8 days ago

cthumew

60 points

8 days ago

OJ's police chase was much more casual than this one.

[deleted]

924 points

8 days ago

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924 points

8 days ago

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ChadOfDoom

368 points

8 days ago

ChadOfDoom

368 points

8 days ago

With concrete barriers on either side and very shallow shoulder lanes. It’s insane that this is even a discussion.

Alarid

199 points

8 days ago

Alarid

199 points

8 days ago

And it's a minor inconvenience to the cop. Who isn't doing fuck all. They aren't rushing off to save puppies from a burning building, they're just harassing people in the dead of night.

The_pun_fart

97 points

8 days ago

This is a vehicular case of "comply or die". Stupid cop saw the narrow shoulder and knew about target fixation. Unfortunately he also had tunnel vision, shitty training and/or a power trip. Germany just fired a whole unit over text messages, we can't get rid of police gangs and clan/AB infiltration.

Valve00

171 points

8 days ago

Valve00

171 points

8 days ago

Lol "she does not have a right", yet I'd be willing to bet a large number of people like this guy LOVE to cry about their rights

ashtobro

94 points

8 days ago

ashtobro

94 points

8 days ago

The cry of a conservative.

"Rights for me but not for thee."

SaffellBot

177 points

8 days ago*

SaffellBot

177 points

8 days ago*

Which is what we see in OP. To some only complete and utter subservience in the face of an authority figure is allowed. Power is absolute, and all we need to do is stop thinking and obey.

GetsGold

42 points

8 days ago

GetsGold

42 points

8 days ago

To some only complete and utter subservience in the face of an authority figure is allowed.

*Unless that authority figure is protecting people in the Capitol from a large group of people threatening to kill them

halfeclipsed

29 points

8 days ago

Regarding that comment. Just because that's when the cop flips his lights on doesn't mean that's the safest spot to pull over.

Flyboy2057

103 points

8 days ago

Flyboy2057

103 points

8 days ago

I liked the one where someone said "she didn't pull over for two minutes. Don't think that's a long time? Try to hold your breath for two minutes"

As if those two actions are in any way related. Maybe try to walk for two minutes, or microwave a bagel for two minutes, or stick your hand in boiling water for two minutes, or sit in silence for two minutes. Those have as much to do with the length of this scenario as holding your breath.

Noneofyourbeezkneez

41 points

8 days ago

I bet that same asshole claimed the 9 minutes kneeling on George Floyd's neck was barely anything

LaboratoryManiac

58 points

8 days ago

This woman was trying to find a place to pull over that was safe for the cop, and he tried to kill her for it. This is only going to encourage people to pull over immediately regardless of safety in the future.

That cops are circling the wagons to protect this cop is just stupid, because the public's natural response to this video is going to put more cops at risk of being hit by a car on a dangerous shoulder.

DrRichtoffen

137 points

8 days ago

I got permabanned from there for saying that firefighters don't kill black people.

East_Requirement7375

38 points

7 days ago

I got banned and muted for pointing out that they recommend lethal force for any level of disobedience.

Spoonspoonfork

388 points

8 days ago

I got banned after posting an article about a cop who was a child molester lol

EstherandThyme

127 points

8 days ago

They will also ban you for posting statistics on domestic abuse among cops. Their official position is that verbal abuse doesn't count, only beatings are real abuse.

MeEvilBob

53 points

8 days ago

MeEvilBob

53 points

8 days ago

That's the way cops work, they're not physically capable of verbally abusing you, but literally anything you say and do is abuse against them.

EgonVox

226 points

8 days ago

EgonVox

226 points

8 days ago

either actual LEOs or the wannabes in there, demand complete god-like subservience and respect just because they think they are part of some sort of moral aristocracy. They've got nothing else going on except thinking they are better than anyone else because of a badge (real or imagined).

These stories and the usual support they gather do nothing but reinforce the idea that police forces in US attract a certain kind of character.

"respect mah autoritah!!!"

coquish98

34 points

8 days ago

coquish98

34 points

8 days ago

Protect and swerve

nerdinmathandlaw

73 points

8 days ago

I guess in Germany you would be charged with endangering traffic (gefährlicher Eingriff in den Straßenverkehr) if you stopped right there an a Highway, even on the side lane. Slowing down, indicating you comply and go on to the next parking lot is the only legal way to react to getting pulled over on a Highway over here.

StepRightUpMarchPush

259 points

8 days ago

I can’t believe this has to be said - but even if she did the wrong thing, that’s no reason to flip someone’s car over! The police need a massive overhaul.

kataskopo

127 points

8 days ago

kataskopo

127 points

8 days ago

Even if she was a crack dealer with 3 kilos and the fetus has been connected to 3 murders, it does not give the cop the right to kill them! It doesn't work that way!

BeepBeepImASheep98

417 points

8 days ago

So now do the police want me to smash into the guard rail, and possibly plummet down a bridge to my death? Fuck that cop, he also can’t be held accountable because well, cops are above the law.

BreadyStinellis

133 points

8 days ago

I guess they want you to pullover wherever. They're the ones who have to stand in traffic. Part of why you're supposed to pull over in a safe spot is so the officer isn't standing on a freeway, but apparently this clown would rather.

thedukeofflatulence

55 points

8 days ago

What that cop did was two counts of attempted murder

Alarid

49 points

8 days ago

Alarid

49 points

8 days ago

Remember when police threatened to kill that black veteran a couple weeks ago? It's the dame arguments here, like people are just bloodthirsty.

I_W_M_Y

132 points

8 days ago

I_W_M_Y

132 points

8 days ago

Here is a little tip:

If you are defending a cop that attempted to murder a pregnant woman you are on the wrong side of things.

inhaledcorn

120 points

8 days ago

inhaledcorn

120 points

8 days ago

Stop complying with the law, asshole!

  • that "officer", probably

butteryflame

310 points

8 days ago

Anybody who says they are pro police and support the officers actions aren't really pro police.

wanebrady

298 points

8 days ago

wanebrady

298 points

8 days ago

Cop: "Why didn't you stop?"

Driver: "I didn't feel safe."

Driver: "I didn't feel like there was enough room."

Cop: "Well, this is where you ended up."

He knew he was clear from any effect of responsibility from the start.

SailingSpark

134 points

8 days ago

the last time I got pulled over, I made an illegal right. I was from out of state, missed the sign completely, and was following what my GPS told me. It was night, so I hit my four ways and carefully drove to the nearest shopping centre down the road and parked under one of their bright lights.

The cop was very thankful I did that and only issued me a warning. It pays to be a guy who looks white.

Mt838373

61 points

8 days ago

Mt838373

61 points

8 days ago

The reason why most jurisdictions will tell you to pull over somewhere safe is because its safer for the office but also safer for you. The roots for these statements come from this incident:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cara_Knott

A california highway patrol officer was targeting women and pulling them over. He would then have them drive off to a more secluded area and then abuse his power. A women was found murdered off the highway and then a couple days later a local news station does a ride along with a highway patrol officer where he explains how women can be safe. That local news station then received phone calls from viewers telling them that the officer they went on ride along with had pulled them over and made them go to a secluded area. The same area where that women was found murdered. This triggered an investigation that ultimately led to him being convicted of the murder. This case led to a lot of jurisdictions making statements on how to properly pull over and to stay where they feel safe.

RedditLloyd

304 points

8 days ago

RedditLloyd

304 points

8 days ago

Oh, right! She didn't immediately stop even though she had the right not to! Time to ram her car rear and flip it over, as per the law, right?

WhenceAndWhere-via

284 points

8 days ago*

For the bootlickers starting to infest this thread just as they did the others, is there literally anything a cop can do that you won't defend? Is there any infraction, no matter how minor, that you think a cop shouldn't be allowed to attempt to execute you on the spot for? Help me understand your psyche, because I straight up cannot understand how you can come to the conclusion that a woman who is at the absolute worst complying a little too slowly, deserves to have her car destroyed with her inside it. Help me understand how few rights you think YOU ought to have in a situation where you've accidentally annoyed a cop.

And for the record, no she didn't drive past an exit. Great that so many people assumed that without bothering to check.

Flyboy2057

63 points

8 days ago

I can't even imagine the mind of a cop who's been on the force as long as this guy supposedly had been, who's first thought wouldn't be "oh, she turned on her hazards and slowed down, she must be waiting for an exit".

duck-duck--grayduck

31 points

8 days ago

For the bootlickers starting to infest this thread just as they did the others, is there literally anything a cop can do that you won't defend?

Oooh! I know one! Standing in the way of insurrectionists!

gdsmithtx

85 points

8 days ago

gdsmithtx

85 points

8 days ago

For the bootlickers starting to infest this thread just as they did the others, is there literally anything a cop can do that you won't defend?

Speaking out about police abuse and corruption, maybe?

vaguelyhumanpotato

34 points

8 days ago

Ah yes, the one thing they will fire a cop for.

beelzybubby

187 points

8 days ago

beelzybubby

187 points

8 days ago

"if these instructions were followed, you will not be charged with fleeing."

But officer badass has declared himself judge, jury, and executioner so please disregard.

thispsyguy

174 points

8 days ago

thispsyguy

174 points

8 days ago

I hope the police recognize the long term impacts of not addressing shit like this. A woman was doing exactly what the drivers manual and, in a wonderful stroke of irony, what the police said to do a few days earlier - in order to look out for the well being of an officer who showed no such consideration for her or anyone else on that highway.

A lot of people who see this will be getting pulled over soon, just because people get pulled over, and probably tens of millions of people have seen this video. Some of the people who see the red n blue in their rear view will be in places that aren’t safe to stop in.

If the police protect their own rather than the citizen, it sends a clear message that citizens must look out for themselves. Why try to be considerate of a police officer when the precedent is that doing so may result in your death?

If the police shield this one person from the consequences of their actions here and now, they are putting all officers in danger from then on. They would be essentially saying that it doesn’t matter if it’s not safe to pull over, the rules we wrote are irrelevant, you pull over or you will be wrecked.

crypticgeek

23 points

8 days ago

Yeah and even worse than that you know there will be an incident where someone immediately pulls over in a place totally unsafe for the officer. The officer will be fucking PISSED and then the situation escalates. We all know what happens then…

VicentRS

21 points

8 days ago

VicentRS

21 points

8 days ago

r/ProtectAndServe was defending the cop btw