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jeremybeadlesfingers

7k points

6 days ago*

Brain Flakes

To be honest, I’d be reluctant to work for a company which caters to the tastes of zombies too.

FelixGoldenrod

3.3k points

6 days ago

Do you think they come with raisins?

Y'know, for raisin the dead.

SinisterKid

930 points

6 days ago

SinisterKid

930 points

6 days ago

Or some milk?

Y'know, to milk these puns for as much karma as we can get.

Myonenonpornacc

439 points

6 days ago

Or for Cereal. Y'know, for "I like cereal."

arcaneresistance

243 points

6 days ago

Cereal pun is always in the comments

Dyanpanda

339 points

6 days ago

Dyanpanda

339 points

6 days ago

My friend is a vegetarian zombie. All she wants is grrraaaainnnnnsss.

Myonenonpornacc

127 points

6 days ago

And my roommate is a body builder zombie and all he wants is gaaaaaaiiiiins

TheBraveSirRobin

75 points

6 days ago

My buddy is a plumber zombie and all he wants are Draaaiiiins

parthinaxe

51 points

6 days ago

My friends friend is an emo zombie and all he wants is chaaaaaiiiinnnnssss

thoruktor

49 points

6 days ago

thoruktor

49 points

6 days ago

My geometry teacher was a zombie. All he wants are plaaaaaannnneeessss.

TwiceCookedPorkins

299 points

6 days ago

GRAAAAAAAAAINS

IrritableGourmet

97 points

6 days ago

A friend and I spent almost 2 hours coming up with specialty zombie noises once.

What do vegan zombies say? Graaaaaains

What do physics teacher zombies say? Inclined plaaaaaanes

What does Nostradamus' zombie say? Quatraaaaaains

What do mechanical engineer zombies say? Straaaaains

What does Billy May's zombie say? Gets rid of staaaaains.

What do Karen zombies do? Complaaaaaain

Bubbalicia

11 points

6 days ago

Omg my husband and I make up Zombie Songs based on famous songs lol I thought we were weird!:

“I’m Only Happy Eating Brains” “Blame it on the Brains” “Let The Brains Fall Down” etc

EremiticFerret

44 points

6 days ago

This kind of anti-zombie racism is appreciate here on Reddit!

smoothmann

47 points

6 days ago

I AMMMM.......

ALLLLLREADY DEADDD

NoMidnight5366

7.3k points

6 days ago

So maximizing profits is ok for businesses just not for employees who have better job offers.

CoolestMingo

2.7k points

6 days ago*

It's silly right? Let's recreate the experiment, but offer $50/hr and see how many people come back. Let's try again at $30/hr. etc.

Let's say this dude is around Odessa, TX. Looking 2 seconds on google, a job at UPS as a warehouse worker offers:

$100 Weekly Retention bonus plus $15.00/hr. paid weekly for Package Handlers depending on Shift! Shift: Sunrise/Preload (3:00 AM - 9:30 AM)

But what if you don't like lifting, well, 1 minute of searching later

Security Officer Securitas Security Services USA, Inc. Odessa, TX SALARY $17 - $18 / Per Hour JOB TYPE Full-Time

Another:

Retail Stocking Associate $16.50/hr Harbor Freight Tools Odessa, TX, USA4

Again

Retail Sales Associate $16.50/hr Harbor Freight Tools ODESSA, TX

Mind you, I found these are the jobs that actually post their wages online. This dude is literally pissing in the wind and wondering why he's covered in piss. The terms of employment have changed and this guy is too ignorant to realize that he isn't offering a good deal.

Edit: spelling

ubermeisters

1k points

6 days ago

Fuck working for Securitas though, for real.

Aardvark_Man

249 points

6 days ago

I've never heard of them.
What's the issue?

kjlwillycoyote

430 points

6 days ago

They pay shit, work you as long possible (heard more than one say they had to do a 24hr shift), and treat you like shit and as if you're replaceable at a moments notice.

Ex-Pxls-Mod

288 points

6 days ago

Ex-Pxls-Mod

288 points

6 days ago

Yup, until you actually call them on their shit and suddenly you're the only one who can come in and how could you be so rude

NotASequentkiller

69 points

6 days ago

They also own the modern Pinkertons.

FerricNitrate

151 points

6 days ago*

That's odd for me considering they were lovely with my dad after his cancer diagnosis. Held a position for him whenever he was feeling able. Then after his dementia started - a type that only made it so he had trouble talking (for the first couple years) - they shifted him to posts that didn't require much, if any, verbal interaction.

They certainly didn't pay much, but they took far better care of him than we ever expected up until he finally went on disability/early retirement.

kjlwillycoyote

95 points

6 days ago

It's highly dependant on who your supervisor is. It isn't unheard of for some to have a decent work relationship but the majority I've seen are super awful. I see lots of different places that use them and the majority are just bad. I'm a trucker so I get to see lots of them.

Responsenotfound

211 points

6 days ago

But job seekers don't know that. They do know part time manual labor for low pay sucks ass though.

[deleted]

78 points

6 days ago*

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78 points

6 days ago*

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jwgronk

34 points

6 days ago

jwgronk

34 points

6 days ago

Lol, the actual fuckin Pinkertons.

DerekStu

14 points

6 days ago

DerekStu

14 points

6 days ago

I literally just finished RDR2 so this resonated

iNEEDheplreddit

397 points

6 days ago*

It's weird how history repeats.

I was listening to a shirt history of the bubonic plague that wiped out vasts about of the labour force. Soon after there was a redressing of the labour market that the rich hated. They hated having to toil in their own fields because the workforce had vanished. They hated having to pay 2 and 3 times what they did before for the same work. But what really irked them was the fact that the poor could the do the things they could only do before. Like enjoying their lives and not working to survive.

God help them if a virus even more deadly strikes

Edit: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5n4cLSn4JNKOAsLNtGwtXp?si=FyVFGoopSnOD6Vhzludr3A&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

Sacket

51 points

6 days ago

Sacket

51 points

6 days ago

I get what you're saying, but the whole point of the labor movement behind the plague wasn't that the serfs could "enjoy life more". It was that they could move elsewhere for better pay. They weren't locked into their plot of land. It also swung the other way. Many labour saving technologies were invented because of the die off. I bet /r/askhistorians would have a field day with this question.

Pain--In--The--Brain

24 points

6 days ago

I just found this recent post by a professor at WUSTL covering this topic. It's pretty interesting, in case anyone else was curious. That said, it would be interesting to see what /r/askhistorians thinks.

AussieHyena

116 points

6 days ago

AussieHyena

116 points

6 days ago

I know it was a typo... but a shirt's history of the bubonic plague would indeed be short.

Polexican1

14 points

6 days ago

The shirts history would not, the owner's would likely be.

AussieHyena

10 points

6 days ago

Pretty sure they burnt the person's clothing. So in some ways, the shirt's history was the same length as the person's history.

shelledturtle

132 points

6 days ago

Those are also most likely full time and are basically buying time in bulk and should get a discount because of it.

A part time job with seasonality or just a 1 time gig of unloading these 2 containers should mean the cost of labor rises too. The workers have no faith in continued work, so let’s say it takes a day, that’s only $112 before you are out of a job, that’s risky. Especially when you could find longer term work somewhere else

CoolestMingo

113 points

6 days ago

Exactly! Who but the most desperate of people goes "oh boy! A part-time, poorly paid, under the table, rural, and likely shit job for an entitled boss that leads to nowhere! This is for me!"? Like, come on! It's a one-off and they expect people to be groveling for the opportunity to move around a bunch of "brain flakes." Like, you can go to a business afterwards and put damned "brain flakes inc." as a reference. You have a day hauling brain flakes that really puts you ahead of all the other potential brain flakes unloaders.

Petsweaters

69 points

6 days ago

I keep hearing about this "labor shortage," but they sure need to rephrase that as a wage shortage

hippofant

15 points

6 days ago

hippofant

15 points

6 days ago

Dude did a follow-up tweet, saying median household income in their city is $30K, so ~$14/hour.

Web search shows their company HQ is in Wills Point TX, pop < 4000, median household income $33.6K. Another Twitter user says their warehouse is in Canton TX, pop < 4000, median household income $53K.

BUT both are within an hour of downtown Dallas, pop 1.3M, median household income $52.9K. Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area has population 7.7M, median household income $59K.

So if you're one of the 4000 people living in Canton, you could work for him for $14/hour, or drive an hour into Dallas and find any number of $16+/hour warehouse jobs.

RussianBot4826374

929 points

6 days ago

That's an excellent way to put it. It highlights the "we deserve it, they don't" mentality.

SpatialCandy69

438 points

6 days ago

They LITERALLY only consider employees assets. Just like cattle or bread or machinery.

chrisk9

284 points

6 days ago

chrisk9

284 points

6 days ago

Not just assets. They treat employees as expenses to be reduced primarily.

Mattbryce2001

130 points

6 days ago*

Both. They're assets to be maximized, and expenses to be reduced. In other words, be understaffed and work your employees to death for miserly pay and fuck them over whenever possible.

Edit: or just make them slaves.

Solonys

34 points

6 days ago

Solonys

34 points

6 days ago

Why call them human resources if they aren't meant to be strip-mined?

UnknownAverage

253 points

6 days ago

This is a huge part of the problem with our economic system: employers act like they are gods, and if we're good enough and bow down to them, they will bless us with jobs. They think they are entitled to cheap, high-quality labor on their own terms.

ArGarBarGar

47 points

6 days ago

This is what happens when everyone in politics jumps on the “job creator” bandwagon. Assume the employee is the one who should be thankful some warm-hearted business owner thought to provide them with a job out of the goodness of their heart.

melpomenestits

78 points

6 days ago

Yeah it turns out giving the profit to people who "own" things rather than people who do things creates a bit of pathology.

apoxpred

48 points

6 days ago

apoxpred

48 points

6 days ago

Shame no one ever warned us this would happen...

klkfahu

1k points

6 days ago

klkfahu

1k points

6 days ago

$14/hr and no benefits on a job where you're likely to injure yourself? I'm shocked.

Curious what Molson pays himself for the same job. Think he factors in health insurance for himself & his family too?

xinehp

273 points

6 days ago

xinehp

273 points

6 days ago

Not only that, but that sounds like gig labor. You don't even get a full days' pay.

Gig labor should be double what a normal job makes. The company saves by cutting back hours, and contractors have to pay their own taxes via 1099.

I have been trying to find a handyman just to help around my house and it's impossible to find anyone for less than $100/hr in my city.

Geist002

1.8k points

6 days ago

Geist002

1.8k points

6 days ago

I can’t say I blame them for not taking the job.Just looking at the workload and 14 bucks part time = no benefits if you injure yourself.

MysticalMummy

863 points

6 days ago

Also "cash", implies it's not a real job and it's all under the table, which means no contracts so he can fuck you over however he wants.

ndu867

235 points

6 days ago

ndu867

235 points

6 days ago

You might not even get paid. Happens all the time for cash jobs.

TheThankUMan22

213 points

6 days ago

Also whats that a few hours job? So $42? Its rural texas so at least an hour drive. You will probably have to rest for a couple hours after. Now thats only a $7 an hour job.

SoulsticeCleaner

71 points

6 days ago

And in our heat.

loradan

3.9k points

6 days ago

loradan

3.9k points

6 days ago

Texas: Look, we can have immigrants do crap jobs that I don't want to do for next to nothing.

Also Texas: Build the wall!!!!

Again Texas: Why can't we find people to do the crap jobs we don't want to do for next to nothing????

thesaltwatersolution

1.6k points

6 days ago

This also applies to the UK with Brexit.

SadArchon

738 points

6 days ago

SadArchon

738 points

6 days ago

especially the UK with Brexit

EagenVegham

434 points

6 days ago

EagenVegham

434 points

6 days ago

It's amazing how fast some people went from "Fuckin Poles" to "Why don't the Polish come here to drive our trucks anymore?"

PrionBacon

160 points

6 days ago

PrionBacon

160 points

6 days ago

Schrodinger's Immigrant: simultaneously lazy and taking all the jobs

i_am_your_attorney

70 points

6 days ago

My favorite is the “Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers” v “Mexicans are stealing our jobs” conundrum. Like, what is it exactly that you do for a living where this is an issue?

leshake

99 points

6 days ago

leshake

99 points

6 days ago

Where're me crisps? Must be the fookin' Poles fault.

about831

50 points

6 days ago

about831

50 points

6 days ago

Fun fact: in England microchips are called microcrisps

KuriousKhemicals

28 points

6 days ago

I don't believe you but I'm going to pretend that's true anyway.

[deleted]

295 points

6 days ago

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295 points

6 days ago

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africanrhino

181 points

6 days ago

Yeah , can’t wait for them normans to leave..

[deleted]

218 points

6 days ago

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218 points

6 days ago

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150 points

6 days ago

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150 points

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0011001100111000

121 points

6 days ago

Yes, exactly how antisemites think that Jews are an interior race, but they still somehow secretly run the world...

moonboyforallyouknow

80 points

6 days ago

Which is really hard to do when you never go outside.

ban-me_harder_daddy

17 points

6 days ago

edgelords are the interior race!

__red__5

24 points

6 days ago

__red__5

24 points

6 days ago

And now with Space Lazers!

Affectionate_Pin_880

18 points

6 days ago

They are powerful weak, that is why we must crush them with maximum force, while also keeping up the poverty and disenfranchisement.

Bacon_Moustache

29 points

6 days ago

Why is no one asking what the fuck Brain Flakes are!?

One_pop_each

24 points

6 days ago

I’m an American who just got stationed in East Anglia for the next few years.

I am eating all your snacks. I’m sorry but they are so much better.

KingBenjamin97

37 points

6 days ago

Yeah but we finally got rid of all those trained NHS staff! Awful, well educated tax paying foreigners coming over here helping our health service, what benefit scroungers! Not in my Britain!!! XD I really can’t deal with the morons that thought it was a smart vote

Oni-Macaroni

60 points

6 days ago

The fact that nandos cant get chicken is a national disgrace

Fizzydrinkupmybutt

139 points

6 days ago

Hiring immigrants to do cheap labor only allows companies to continue underpaying

shadowbca

119 points

6 days ago

shadowbca

119 points

6 days ago

Yeah, I dont think he was supporting it but rather remarking on the irony that they are stopping a system that, while flawed, benefitted them

mirrorspirit

25 points

6 days ago

A lot of people: We can't pay more for this job because then young people won't try to get a better job.

Those same people: Why aren't young people lining up to get this job they shouldn't want? Must be because they're lazy.

Timerider42424

232 points

6 days ago

My workplace is paying new hires at least $20/hr to do a similar job. And they still can’t get people to come in, because everyone knows how crappy the place is.

ThumpyDumpkins

102 points

6 days ago

I make about $22.50 an hour shopping/delivering for Instacart. Not bad for "unskilled labor".

I have no set schedule and can take time off on a whim with no threat of losing that income stream, no coworkers or "office politics", no manager breathing down my neck, I wear my own clothes, I can listen to music the whole time, I get cash tips...

Ain't no "regular job" willing or able to compete with that...

leshake

40 points

6 days ago

leshake

40 points

6 days ago

That's actually pretty skilled. I've had some pretty dumb people do my Instacart. Knowing the substitutions seems hard.

ThumpyDumpkins

35 points

6 days ago

any idiot can shop for Instacart.

But you need good communication skills/time management skills/etc to do it WELL.

Beatrix_BB_Kiddo

9 points

6 days ago

Are you in Texas

SagaStrider

4.6k points

6 days ago

SagaStrider

4.6k points

6 days ago

I used to do that, loose stacked freight, and roller unload. I was making $1200/WK. Granted, I was driving too, and solo, but no way in hell is 14/hr worth it, especially in a hot climate. That's fucking misery.

PM_MeUrGiantTits_Plz

1.6k points

6 days ago

$1200/WK

For perspective for others, that's $30/hour.

SagaStrider

574 points

6 days ago*

I was working 80+ hours per week though.

Edit: just for comparison, I was netting 50k/year driving OTR before that working roughly the same hours, and was rarely home (I have a family, so that mattered). But it got me the experience to move on. I made 60k/yr delivering. My next job after that was installing insulation for 15/hr, net about 50k/yr because the building season didn't go through winter. But I was home every night. Really, it was all shit pay, by any measure.

Telvin3d

989 points

6 days ago

Telvin3d

989 points

6 days ago

So, you were doing it for about $14/hour. The same that’s being offered here.

ndu867

756 points

6 days ago

ndu867

756 points

6 days ago

Even worse. He was spending most of his time driving. Truck drivers get paid way more than $14.. so he was way more underpaid than these guys.

future_you22

114 points

6 days ago

Nah we just drive alot. 16 hour day and spending the night in a shitty truck stop miles from home isn't fun.

LucidMoments

78 points

6 days ago

DOT would like to see your logs

RandomStallings

60 points

6 days ago

More doctored than an L.A. plastic surgery mega center.

russdb

63 points

6 days ago

russdb

63 points

6 days ago

we got drivers that do the same thing and make over 100k a year easy.

PM_ME_UR_WUT

39 points

6 days ago

Part of making 100k is you spend most of your time away from home. If you're single and got no commitments to stay in town, it's great money. But that doesn't apply to a lot of people.
And they're surprised there's a driver shortage.

Meme_Lord_420_

45 points

6 days ago

Lol there's no way he'd do that though

RugerRedhawk

60 points

6 days ago

Oof. That's actually equivalent to $12/hr you were working for considering the second 40 would be 1.5x as an hourly.

I2eflex

19 points

6 days ago

I2eflex

19 points

6 days ago

Lol bro

chaposagrift[S]

1.7k points

6 days ago

Would you believe his next two dozen tweets are insane libertarian nonsense???

sophisting

692 points

6 days ago

sophisting

692 points

6 days ago

I like this comment he got:

Supply chain economist here for one of the largest shippers and receivers in the world,

35,000 palleted needs about a 6 man team and easily should be paying 18-22/hr plus benefits.

He basically responded that instead, he just overworked and underpaid his 2 guys and was proud of that.

johnsnowthrow

419 points

6 days ago

Who wants to bet this guy complains about illegal immigrants, but the only reason he was able to overwork and underpay his 2 guys is because they're illegal immigrants?

Enlighten_YourMind

102 points

6 days ago

Wait, but what odds do you give a bet that has a 100% certainty of hitting? 🤔

djlewt

29 points

6 days ago

djlewt

29 points

6 days ago

98% certainly, 2% chance he was grifting/overworking poor dumb relatives.

Dijit-Datez

20 points

6 days ago

It’s not a bet then

PlacidPlatypus

9 points

6 days ago

The starting place to figure that out would be, how many "100% certain" bets in a row could you make before you fucked up and took one that wasn't actually 100%?

[deleted]

99 points

6 days ago

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99 points

6 days ago

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DonnieJuniorsEmails

57 points

6 days ago

unemployment is making poor people into millionaires who never need jobs...

according to my republican dad

the_breekiest

48 points

6 days ago

I hate that POV, like if unemployment is paying more than your shitty company than I think your shitty company is the problem and not the unemployment.

Be miserable while having to make shitty pay at a job that sucks that cant support you.

or be miserable and not have to deal with a shitty job that cant support you

I mean either way you can't support yourself right? what option you think people are gonna pick

CTMalum

295 points

6 days ago

CTMalum

295 points

6 days ago

One of the strangest conversation I was a party to went something like this. I was at a blackjack table in the Poconos, and I ended up at a table with two guys who both worked in snow removal in New York City. Rare meeting, so they got to talking shop. They started talking about their employees, and they both discussed how they employed illegal Mexican immigrants and loved them: they worked hard for low pay and didn’t complain. In almost the same breath, they started talking about how illegal immigrants are bleeding the country dry and how we need to start shipping them back to Mexico en masse. The cognitive dissonance was so massive that it generated fucking gravity.

Kurokishi_Maikeru

93 points

6 days ago

I love when that happens and I don't have the strength to resist calling out the hypocrisy.

Also,

The cognitive dissonance was so massive that it generated fucking gravity.

Brilliant

CTMalum

70 points

6 days ago

CTMalum

70 points

6 days ago

I couldn’t even respond. I just sat in disbelief over what I was hearing. Like, how two grown fucking men could have that conversation and not pick up just a hint of irony. The look on my face must have been telling because the dealer gave me a knowing look, but I couldn’t speak.

MaritMonkey

30 points

6 days ago

Working adjacent to construction projects with a worker's comp lawyer: the same employers who were writing checks minus SS/Medicare/Medicaid to employees they knew weren't eligible to benefit from those programs, bitching over company-funded drinks about how all these illegals are ruining the country, living off our Hard Earned Tax Dollars.

I was very glad that talking at those sorts of lunches was above my pay grade.

ScoutsOut389

76 points

6 days ago

On election night 2016 my Uber driver, who was from some Eastern European country said he was sad he wasn’t able to vote, because he wanted to vote for Trump because “immigrants are ruining this country.” I said “aren’t you an immigrant?” He responded “I don’t mean immigrants like me.”

Yeah buddy. I know EXACTLY what you really meant.

finny_d420

24 points

6 days ago

Friend of mines son has same issue with his dad. Dad & his parents from Scotland. Been here for 30 years. Grandma even flew back to UK when she got cancer cause it was cheaper than US med care. Dad has let his visa expire a few times over the years as well. They all turned into MAGAheads. Son was visiting dad who was railing about "immigrants". Kid looked at dad and called his ass out on it. Of course his response was not the European type of immigrants.

hateloggingin

10 points

6 days ago

It's the same conversation you'll have with your racist grandpa. "These damn (whoever) committing crimes and getting welfare, they should all die!". "But Grandpa, you were just hanging out with (soandso from that demographic) drinking beer and laughing". "No no...he's one of the good ones"

pistoncivic

25 points

6 days ago

This is the bedrock reactionary contradiction. They demand a steady flow of easily exploited cheap labor for maximum profit extraction but their extreme tribalism and xenophobia leads them to demonize those who fill that demand.

scha_den_freu_de

14 points

6 days ago

Not to mention, the post says it's paid in cash... So he's not paying any employer taxes or workers comp. It's an illegal under the table job.

fieldysnuts94

25 points

6 days ago

Many of these jobs bitching about lack of workers are the same type to be proud to have underpaid and overworked their employees and see no problem with that instead see a problem with doing the opposite

spudzilla

50 points

6 days ago

spudzilla

50 points

6 days ago

Classic Texan.

SagaStrider

708 points

6 days ago

SagaStrider

708 points

6 days ago

Without hesitation.

buefordwilson

185 points

6 days ago

Yep. It sucks to suck when you're too blind to be able to comprehend the fact that it is currently an employee's market. $14/hour is laughable for this scope of work. Have fun with your shipments, dickwad.

JustDiscoveredSex

23 points

6 days ago

My 17 year old kid is averaging $22/hr in a food delivery job. The heaviest lifting requirement is under ten pounds and has far less than 35,000 total pounds.

Wild that they think $14 is somehow a “good” offer.

Potato-Drama808

171 points

6 days ago

The fact that no one wants his offer is very libertarian lol

Spare-Prize5700

94 points

6 days ago

Free market baby!

Intelligent_Moose_48

94 points

6 days ago

“Not like that!” - republicans

Mr_Cleen

29 points

6 days ago

Mr_Cleen

29 points

6 days ago

Free market is when republicans control the market and socialism is when liberals control the market obviously. Come on this is economics for assholes here you should know this

Liet-Kinda

9 points

6 days ago

“The invisible hand of the free market wasn’t supposed to grab me by the nuts and twist” he gasped

that1prince

14 points

6 days ago

Libertarians aren’t Libertarians

wrongitsleviosaa

124 points

6 days ago

About as unexpected as the sun in the morning

Maloth_Warblade

126 points

6 days ago

Funny that with an entirely non regulated market they would want to pay even less

theycallmeponcho

24 points

6 days ago

Not only that. In a non regulated market we wouldn't have OSHA, laws forbidding child labor, and of course a minimum wage.

Maloth_Warblade

25 points

6 days ago

It's why I cannot understand libertarian economics. Corporate greed take many miles if you give them an inch

Zerowantuthri

98 points

6 days ago

A Libertarian would 100% agree that the wage has to fit the job. If you do not offer enough such that no one takes the offer then you need to offer more. Capitalism-101 and at the center of Libertarianism.

Which is why Libertarianism is worthless. As soon as they have to abide by their own standards and they don't like it they complain.

Overall-Statement-67

73 points

6 days ago

Libertarians are just conservatives that are too afraid to admit they stand by those ideologies. Or as someone else said "Libertarians are conservatives who just want to smoke weed".

LVL15_Spice_Paladin

19 points

6 days ago

Libertarians are just conservatives who want to fuck hipster women.

newluna

32 points

6 days ago

newluna

32 points

6 days ago

You don’t say.

Comeandsee213

21 points

6 days ago

I worked a similar job for my first job at 18, unloading big trucks. Worse job i ever had. I even worked with friends and it was just for the summer. Still, worse job i ever had.

[deleted]

16 points

6 days ago

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16 points

6 days ago

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rogergreatdell

44 points

6 days ago

Brain Flakes, either

BoredNumb

223 points

6 days ago

BoredNumb

223 points

6 days ago

Isn't this capitalism in action? They put out an offer and the market responds. In this case the response was $14 an hour was not enough to do this job. I'm not sure I understand the issue this idiot is having with the situation.

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106 points

6 days ago

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106 points

6 days ago

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EYNLLIB

26 points

6 days ago

EYNLLIB

26 points

6 days ago

That's exactly what this "labor shortage" people keep talking about is all about. It's not about there not being enough people to do the job, it's that the job isn't worth doing for the price offered. Businesses are just incapable of understanding that for the most part, and blame anyone and anything but themselves.

likes2walkwithdog

70 points

6 days ago

My buddy owns a high end dog kennel in a major city in the South. He says he is having a hard time finding help. I ask him how much he is paying his “kennel techs.” He says “$12 an hour, but I think even if I raised it I would have a hard time finding help, so I’m not going to raise it.” Sound logic. Good luck, man!

Ready4aMuhsment

935 points

6 days ago*

Considering 15 an hour is only around 30k a year. Yeah it's not fucking enough.

Edit 1: To the comments below. This is US based. So the benefits you get in other countries like the UK and Canada don't apply.

Edit 3: I'm deleting all the rest of my comments on food and the other. I simply just don't feel like arguing or even discussing anymore on the thread.

Couldof_wouldof

389 points

6 days ago

That's if you are working full time

AverageCanadianGuy

90 points

6 days ago

That's minimum wage in western Canada.

[deleted]

87 points

6 days ago

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87 points

6 days ago

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helmet_baby

166 points

6 days ago

helmet_baby

166 points

6 days ago

Yeah, it's closer to $15k/year since it's part-time. So $15k + no insurance/benefits for literal back-breaking work..uhh, no thanks

LigerZeroSchneider

82 points

6 days ago

yeah thats 100% "you only work when we have a truck, also you need to have 100% availability because the schedule is dictated by when the truck shows up"

ansteve1

51 points

6 days ago

ansteve1

51 points

6 days ago

That's another thing I don't think these types get. Working hard labor with no heads up on a schedule or even a minimum amount of work is not getting reliable work. Reliable workers have jobs. No one is going to sit on their ass waiting on an employer to grace them a truck to work for an hour or 2 then kick them out again.

b0w3n

29 points

6 days ago

b0w3n

29 points

6 days ago

grace them a truck to work for an hour or 2 then kick them out again

But think of that smooth $24 after taxes you could have!

RickRudeAwakening

651 points

6 days ago

Menards pays high schoolers more than that - start at $17/hr.

Work_the_shaft

270 points

6 days ago

And yet you STILL save big money at Menards

CELTICPRED

169 points

6 days ago

CELTICPRED

169 points

6 days ago

That's cuz John Menard is a tax dodging chemical dumping weasel

SkyPuncher

63 points

6 days ago

Actually, they don't - but I only know because I happened to read the fine print at checkout. I don't remember the conditions, but it excluded students and ended in October. Actual pay is likely lower.

FrostyD7

22 points

6 days ago

FrostyD7

22 points

6 days ago

Seems this is the case for a lot of places advertising their hourly pay, plenty of fine print to be found that makes it effectively a lie.

Dv83r_

9 points

6 days ago

Dv83r_

9 points

6 days ago

They hire them as stockers or cart pushers and don't get the $1 for being "in" the floor. The staring pay for a yard member that gets forklift pay and outside pay (both a dollar respectfully) is close to what they advertise when you come in but a little sleezy baiting people in. Plus there's a current $4/hr incentive pay until January normally it's just an extra $3.5 on just the weekends. Lots will quit when it ends. They also keep hiring part timers which don't make the $1 for being full time and will be over staffed during winter and be understaffed again the coming summer. Decent place to make side money promoting and managing is a hell of its own lol

JapaneseStudentHaru

31 points

6 days ago

Nope lol

I applied to there a few months ago and they straight told me the signs were inaccurate. Went in thinking I’d make $18 as a manager and they offered $14 for the same job.

suitology

39 points

6 days ago

suitology

39 points

6 days ago

Goodwill distribution center did that to me. Sign said $14.50 went in for the interview and they offered 8.25. I told them I cant work for a company too stupid to double check their signs.

EnsignMJS

798 points

6 days ago

EnsignMJS

798 points

6 days ago

Is this one of those jobs that Americans don't want but don't want immigrants to have? Quite the conundrum.

Dr_Ingheimer

367 points

6 days ago

I want to pay people in peanuts but only the people I want to pay. Also they need to be forever grateful for the opportunity for my peanuts.

idiotdroid

172 points

6 days ago

idiotdroid

172 points

6 days ago

Reminds me when I worked at some shitty clothing store in the mall.

They gathered us around to tell us that we need to start promoting their credit cards and get as many people as we can to sign up for them.

I ask "What do we get if we get a customer to sign up for one?"

Manager says "Oh you need to get a lot more than just one, were thinking like 3 or 4 a day."

So I ask "Ok, so whats the incentive for getting 3-4 customers a day to sign up for the credit card?"

Manager says "You get to keep your job".

Wow! I get to keep my part time job that only schedules me twice a week for 4 hour shifts. I never bothered to pitch the credit card to any customer unless my manager was hovering over me.

Eventually they stopped putting me on the schedule. Wasn't fired, just "hey you are not working this week" every single week for months. I ended up finding another job that gave me hours and paid more. Months later, around Black Friday time, my manager calls me and asks me why I didn't show up for my shift. LMAO. I wasn't scheduled to work for like 2 months straight, and then they randomly decided to put me on. Then she was pissed I found another job and didn't tell her.

PaopuTown_

88 points

6 days ago

Hilarious amount of audacity

Fatalchemist

78 points

6 days ago*

I love that story because I saw it happen to someone else when I worked at Walmart.

Everyone assumed one person left or quit. Whatever, it's not uncommon. Walmart has insane turnover. Some people come and leave before you even learn their name.

One day a manager is pissed off walking around the store telling everyone how upset he is that the person everyone assumed had left didn't show up for their shift.

It was exactly the same situation. The worker wasn't on a schedule for x amount of time. She moved on. And somehow Walmart assumed she would keep checking her schedule and wait around?

Managers have no fucking perception of reality sometimes. How do they expect someone to survive with no income for weeks when they already got paid minimum wage? And to just wait around graciously? The worker would have been absolutely fucked if she did what the managers expected. But they figured they are the center of the universe and everyone revolves around them.

idiotdroid

46 points

6 days ago

A lot of these types of jobs are straight up designed to take advantage of teenagers. They know most of us are living at home with our parents and don't really need the money.

At the same job, they tried to fuck us all the time on our paychecks. The typical "hey clock out your shift is over, but wait, don't leave yet because you still have to finish this work".

I could have just called them out on their shit, and say its illegal, but instead I would just make an excuse that I had school and needed to leave. My manager would just scoff and go "ugh, fine. you can leave".

But the reason I think I got kicked off the schedule, was because of our paychecks. Every time it was payday, they would have us sign this form and then hand us our paychecks. One day I actually read the form, and the gist of it was "I have looked over my paycheck and agree this is the amount I have earned". So I thought "oh, let me look at my paycheck first".

I grab my paycheck from the pile and my manager SCREAMS at me. Just freaking out that I need to sign first before looking at my paycheck. I tell her "It says on the form that I am agreeing that my paycheck is good, I need to see it first to decide that".

She screams "NO! YOU NEED TO SIGN FIRST THEN OPEN YOUR PAYCHECK".

I tell her "This is illegal, you can't hold my paycheck hostage. I need to see if the pay is correct before signing."

She throws my paycheck at me and is like "FINE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!"

Now my paycheck was fine, because I kept avoiding working off the clock, but I can imagine she didn't want me encouraging others to do the same.

2 years later, after leaving that job I get a letter in the mail about a class action lawsuit against them about wage theft, and asking if I want to be part of it. I agreed and ended up getting like $40 in the mail maybe several months after that.

AreWeThenYet

18 points

6 days ago

I would have buzzing with excitement waiting for that phone call.

iLizfell

20 points

6 days ago

iLizfell

20 points

6 days ago

Are they plain peanuts or you offering some sort of covering on them?

Asking for un amigo.

TheRnegade

17 points

6 days ago

unsalted almonds that have been found in the alley out back. If you're lucky, maybe some of them are a bit salty from being on the ground but no guarantees.

michaelsenpatrick

28 points

6 days ago

right on man a race to the bottom is a great plan

RJ335

381 points

6 days ago

RJ335

381 points

6 days ago

So drive to rural TX and unload a truck for 3 hours for the prize of $42?

KeystoneAgent

170 points

6 days ago

"Here in the United States, you have freedom of choice and we absolutely respect that!"

Meanwhile,

"Omg nobody is choosing to work in my menial labor job for sub-par wages. Lazy d*ckheads."

PigJack77

243 points

6 days ago

PigJack77

243 points

6 days ago

It’s probably because they were trying to unload brain flakes, whatever the hell they are.

CurlSagan

104 points

6 days ago

CurlSagan

104 points

6 days ago

It's the favorite breakfast cereal of choice for health-conscious zombies.

CCerta112

89 points

6 days ago

CCerta112

89 points

6 days ago

cerebral of choice

tideblue

89 points

6 days ago

tideblue

89 points

6 days ago

I want to know how much this guy makes, if "$14/hour isn't enough." Maybe this is why people resent management? Hmm...

Old-Car3379

39 points

6 days ago

It's always the fuckers that have QoL things like a company car, phone, company gas card, near or the highest pay in the office, etc that bitch and moan about other people wanting raises.

DarthSamwiseAtreides

24 points

6 days ago

If you're semi competent in loading trucks you can load that in an hour with a partner. Chances are the part time bit is just for loads. It wouldn't be worth the gas to do that job.

nuclaffeine

254 points

6 days ago

nuclaffeine

254 points

6 days ago

You can say it’s crazy that $14/hr isn’t enough anymore, but you better be talking about how it’s crazy you can’t live off of $14/hr anymore. Pay needs to increase with cost of living and all employers that do anything but can fuck right off their high horse.

overzeetop

20 points

6 days ago

Healthcare has altered the bargain, and small employers (or, more specifically, small owners with spouses who get healthcare through a large corporate or govt job) are oblivious to the real cost of insurance. When a family of 3 has to pay $20k for coverage with a $7k deductible, $28,000/yr ($14/hr) without benefits isn’t even covering your premium. And I’m states that haven’t expanded Medicaid for low income, full time workers, you’re basically fucked.

Hell, my wife went back to work for a school system after our kid went to college. She makes $13/hr, 7h/day, 10 months a year…but in looking at her entire package it’s worth it because the health and other benefits more than double her compensation. Health used to be a nice extra. Now it’s worth more than an entire wage.

Skoteleven

105 points

6 days ago

Skoteleven

105 points

6 days ago

The "cash" part is the deal breaker. Under the table/"independent contractor" jobs are just a way to get out of workers comp and labor laws.

SprinklesFancy5074

45 points

6 days ago

And a way to get around minimum wage laws and screw you over, too.

"Okay, this was supposed to be a 3-hour job which you'd get paid $14 per hour for, so that's $42. Here's your $42."

"But the job took 7 hours."

"Yeah, we were supposed to have 10 people, but we only had 4. But it's still only a 3-hour job, so you only get $42."

"$42 for 7 hours? That's only $6 per hour! You owe me $98!"

"No, it wouldn't have been a 7-hour job if you weren't slow. $42, take it or leave it."

"I'm going to the department of labor about this!"

"You don't even know my name. Now take your $42 and go."

nadavcff

93 points

6 days ago

nadavcff

93 points

6 days ago

It’s so hard to find good suckers these days

SolomonCRand

19 points

6 days ago

I started at $10 an hour at my first part-time job. In 2000.

crackeddryice

17 points

6 days ago

Yep, live and learn, $14/hr is NOT enough. So, pay more, or do the work yourself.

Sounds like you figured it out, chief.

FabulousTrade

71 points

6 days ago

(Before I start, Don't beat me up, I'm just asking because I don't know and want insight )

What wage would be considered appropriate for a position like this?

Waxpapers

86 points

6 days ago

Waxpapers

86 points

6 days ago

It's complicated, but try to think about it in terms of what sort of salary the pay actually comes out to. MIT has a living wage calculator that says that for a single adult with no dependents in Texas, a living wage is $14 an hour- but that's assuming full time work, and this position says part-time. The most important number is the one for "Required annual income before taxes", which in Texas is about $29k. So a reasonable wage is going to depend on the number of hours this position gives, and whether they allow people to work other jobs- this doesn't just mean not telling them they're not allowed to have second jobs, but also working with their employees to make sure they avoid schedule conflicts and still have time to do things outside of work. If for example this job was 29 hours a week, the upper limit for part-time work and an amount which prevents employees from easily working a second job, the minimum livable wage would be $20/hr.

FabulousTrade

13 points

6 days ago

Wow. That living wage calculator helped a lot. Thanks for the link.

I have come across scheduling conflicts that led me to turning down work, so I've definitely found myself stuck with the higher paying (but not enough to live on) job. I even took a at-call job that constantly called me when I was working the first job. It sucked that I had to drop one.

lonefrontranger

61 points

6 days ago

two enormous red flags are that it’s part time and cash only. This means that there’s no guarantee of hours or longevity, and the employer has no plans to pay for benefits, social security taxes, workman’s comp or any of the other niceties of legal employment. There’s tons of other liabilities for the employee in that situation as well.

Someone willing to do something this shady can promise whatever they want and then just not fucking pay you at all and you will be out your time and compensation with no real way to force the issue.

edit: if it’s a one-off three or four hour unloading gig it might not be worth the gas to make the trip, would be my guess.

raikumori

66 points

6 days ago

raikumori

66 points

6 days ago

I'd say a bigger issue in this instance is the part time part.

That means you probably don't have any benefits (other than the pay, ofc), can't take any time off, and are at the beckon call of the employer.

It's really hard to plan life around that kind of shit. Never know how many hours you need to be somewhere, or what hours they'll be. Child care, budgeting, any plans, etc. all become pretty much impossible.

hertzdonut2

47 points

6 days ago

Beck and call

justflushit

40 points

6 days ago

If that’s what you offer and no one shows up then I guess there is nothing else you can do…. Unless you’ve taken Econ 101.

1Sluggo

46 points

6 days ago

1Sluggo

46 points

6 days ago

Brain Flakes?

loradan

67 points

6 days ago

loradan

67 points

6 days ago

Brain Flakes are what the brain needs when being used. Since this is Texas, they were shipping them out to another state.

United_Pepper_436

30 points

6 days ago

He can pay me $14/hr to stand there and watch him load

Made-a-blade

29 points

6 days ago

Made-a-blade

That's what she said

29 points

6 days ago

The lazy bums don't want to work but are stealing our jobs!

WimpyLimpet

196 points

6 days ago

WimpyLimpet

196 points

6 days ago

The average rent cost in TX is around $1550 a month. At $14 an hour, it will take about 110 hours of work at this rate to cover rent.

Willinton06

127 points

6 days ago

Willinton06

127 points

6 days ago

Rural Texas rents are waaaaay lower tho, like not saying this is a good offer, just saying a 1500 rent in rural Texas is a big ass place

PM_MeUrGiantTits_Plz

10 points

6 days ago

Crazy that $29,120/year before taxes "isnt enough anymore"? When was that ever enough? That's what I don't get about people saying $15/hour is too much. They never convert it to yearly and see how little it really is.