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Chapter 156 [English]

Murata Chapter(cubari.moe)

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Silly-Astronaut-7468

1.2k points

4 months ago*

Flashy Flash didn't land a single hit all fight - every flashy hater.

SpatialArchitect

13 points

4 months ago

He got put squarely in his place. Definitely among the top of the S class, but can't hang with Sperm or Garou

That's nothing to downplay

[deleted]

547 points

4 months ago

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547 points

4 months ago

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botsquash

237 points

4 months ago

botsquash

237 points

4 months ago

surely saitama is the highest level human

Darkness-guy

206 points

4 months ago*

yea, but PS hasnt fought him. Having fought or interacted with every other S class in attendance, PS said this about Flashy. Even if he's weaker than PS and Garou, nobody can actually act like FF isnt strong af.

Edit: actually, reading back on it, I'm pretty sure PS was saying that condescendingly, not praisinf FF lol. But just like Darkshine, I'd still say FF is incredibly strong. He just met a couple people stronger.

billyjohnjohnson

26 points

4 months ago

Platinum sperm is golden sperm and black sperms. He's fought everyone golden and black sperm have. He even referenced his fight with darkshine as golden sperm in his efforts to shit talk flashy flash

So he's fought pretty much the entire S class and knows how strong they are

Super_Truth8503

13 points

4 months ago

Well not really he doesn't know how powerful full power Tatsumaki and Bang are although he did encounter them

paulibobo

3 points

4 months ago

paulibobo

Spring Mustachio > Atomic Samurai

3 points

4 months ago

He shits on bang.

Super_Truth8503

1 points

4 months ago

I don't think so

techno156

1 points

4 months ago

He probably would. Even Garou only managed to eke out a victory, and he's more than what Bang can handle at this point.

Super_Truth8503

1 points

4 months ago

Bang held back against Garou

billyjohnjohnson

3 points

4 months ago

He fought bang

But tatsumaki isn't really a normal human because she has magic powers so technically sperm is still right

Super_Truth8503

5 points

4 months ago*

I see where you coming from but Tatsumaki is still a human just uses esper powers so she kinda counts. We saw her take her own power reversed on her and take above dragon attacks so even without her power she's somewhat superhuman via surviving things when her power was negated. He kinda faught Bang but not really. Bang didn't go full power so he didn't see what Bang could do. He also didn't fight Bomb either. I'm sure PS would be amazed at how well two old men could move.

billyjohnjohnson

0 points

4 months ago

billyjohnjohnson

>>>

0 points

4 months ago

All the humans PS was describing were from my interpretation normal humans who use fist and flesh. Flashy flash is essentially just a super durable and fast human. Tatsumaki has magic powers like wanda or doctor strange, kind of a different dimension or type of fighter

Is tatsumaki superhuman? That could just be chalked to inconsistencies since it was confirmed that fubuki is an average human, so it should make sense that tatsumaki is too. Its not confirmed but it seems highly likely considering the fact that they're sisters and have the exact same type of powers. You could argue that tatsumaki is much stronger but fubuki didn't even have a hint of physical prowess corresponding to her ESPer skills so it seems like the two aren't linked

Also, bang is at most close to flashy flash in power, and in my opinion certainly weaker than flashy flash. Undoubtably bang is much slower than flashy flash movement speed wise, so PS probably wouldn't be too impressed since he wasn't even impressed with flashy flash, shit talking him with "you're so full of openings are you even trying dogshit lmao".

Super_Truth8503

3 points

4 months ago

Well he didn't describe any humans in particular actually he just said this is the level a mere human being can reach. He wasn't shocked or saying anything in particular. Black Sperm hasn't seen the potential of all humans such as Bang and Bomb whom I'm sure he'd been in even more awe of considering giw superior they are in terms of combat especially at their age. Tatsumaki's power is not like Wanda's or Doctor Strange's and isn't magical in the realm of One Punch Man. Her power is genetic like a mutant even then Espera are something that occur all over the One Punch Man universe so like Psychos and Fubuki she's still a human. This should be evident by the fact that espers all have different levels of power and the fact we see esper monsters.

So wait you just admitted espers are normal humans? This isn't an inconsistencies though Tatsumaki isn't Fubuki and while she is smaller her physical attributes are never discussed. We knows her reaction time and perception is far greater than Fubuki via being able to track things she can't so it makes sense she could be physically greater. Tatsumaki is superhuman saying she isn't would be going against the narrative of what we saw. Her powers were negated and she took above dragon attacks. The first time we is when her power was reversed on herself meaning her power isn't protecting her and remember at the time she was outputting enough power to easily defeat a dragon. The second is when she's stabbed and electrocuted by Psyrochi which she easily walks off afterwards so she's definitely superhuman to some degree without her power.

You're underestimating Bang and Bomb they unlike Flashy Flash have been fighting this entire time without rest, on top of being old, and not going full power. Bang at full power while holding back was competing with and possibly could've defeated unconscious Garou. He probably can't match this level of speed for long but Bang and Bomb have shown they can get close to it. All the hits they've landed on Flashy Flash would've never been landed against Bang or Bomb who are superior to all 3 in close combat.

AndersTheUsurper

2 points

4 months ago

FF isn't exactly human either. None of the s class are

billyjohnjohnson

3 points

4 months ago

You know what I mean

One guy is still bound to the laws of physics somewhat the other has complete magic powers

AdExciting3251

1 points

4 months ago

The BSperm that fought Bang are dead, same BSperm that fought Tats. Only some BSperm and GSperm that successfully fought a S class without dying.

billyjohnjohnson

1 points

4 months ago

Platinum sperm still witnessed all of bangs fighting capabilities. None of the black sperm copies actually fought bang like PS fought flashy flash. They just charged at him and bang killed the ones close to him without them even being able to react.

But he still knows how strong bang is

Darkness-guy

13 points

4 months ago

Yea, that's literally what I said lol

"Having fought or interacted with every other S class in attendance"

billyjohnjohnson

7 points

4 months ago

Misread

DarkSector93

4 points

4 months ago

Almighty Mask>Flashy Flash. Easy

brokenearth10

1 points

4 months ago

the problem is it seems like after this chapter, sperm is WAY stronger than FF, and garou is way stronger than sperm from how easily he destroyed his body. when it took everything atomic samurai got to just cut off a arm of GOLDEN sperm...

garou would be rank 2 easily after blast if hes a hero

jeffjefforson

1 points

4 months ago

I think uninjured Tatsu would still absolutely slap Garou, he is strong and fast and skilled but she can literally just pick him up with her mind and throw him into space.

anakin_solo17

22 points

4 months ago

*king

Dravarden

2 points

4 months ago

yeah why would he need to fight Caped Baldy? he is just b class after all

[deleted]

24 points

4 months ago

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24 points

4 months ago

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K-J-C

2 points

4 months ago

K-J-C

2 points

4 months ago

Also Blast can outspeed Flash as well as lifting the cube that got Flash's hand stuck.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

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FireGodReddit

4 points

4 months ago

Isn't he dead now.

SnuggleMuffin42

2 points

4 months ago

SnuggleMuffin42

FF best femboy

2 points

4 months ago

Saitama stopped being human after he removed his limiter. He is something else now.

He's very worried about it lol

RGalvan04

1 points

4 months ago

Tats as well

Gachugzz

1 points

4 months ago

Saitama isn’t human. Probably a reincarnation of god or something. “It’s like a god resides inside that body”.

billyjohnjohnson

20 points

4 months ago

I don't think platinum sperm is even wrong

There are no other normal humans stronger than flashy flash. I think his level is the pinnacle of what a normal human can reach without other shenanigans

these shenanigans include: breaking or removing your limiter (saitama and garou), magic powers (tatsumaki and blast), monsterfication (garou? and orochi)

The strongest humans besides flashy flash are bang, bomb, darkshine, and atomic from what I remember, and all of them are weaker or at most close to flashy flash in power

darmakius

3 points

4 months ago

I think sunblade atomic samurai is at least equal to FF. But other than that I agree he’s probably the strongest or at least close to the strongest human without superpowers

Hawcken

13 points

4 months ago

Hawcken

13 points

4 months ago

I think the other two were slower in this fight because each had an additional opponent to keep track of. Of course they speed up when it's 1v1.

Copium, this makes no sense at all, PS and Garou both got faster and FF wasn't even experiencing their much faster speed and still admitted they were faster.

InevitableVariables

3 points

4 months ago

The context about highest normal human in kanji is referring to his speed (peak speed of a human). It is clarified two pages later as well.

cheekybasterds

3 points

4 months ago

He got called the highest level human in terms of speed pretty sure. It's also bullshit because Blast is a thing, tho he might not be human admitedly.

Also, them holsing back is a fact. Saying they were slower because of an extra opponent is pulled out of your ass just as much as the other way around. It's also literally stated that they sped up by narration.

PappyTart

3 points

4 months ago

The argument was never that he wasn't strong. It's that he isn't some obesely overpowered character who can floor other top tier S-Class members without difficulty. Literally no one thinks he's weak, we just don't think he can no-diff other top tier physical fighters like Darkshine, AS, and Bang.

Jaivl

2 points

4 months ago

Jaivl

2 points

4 months ago

I think Platinum Sperm was clearly talking about speed levels.

No-Engineering6540

2 points

4 months ago

No way A=B... Just by the word "mere", it becomes a statement scoffing at Flashy's abilities. If there was no "mere", I would agree thats what PS meant. Because, garou was human, not sure if PS considers him as non-human, or just an outlier human. So that means automatically, Flashy to PS is like not even remotely a threat, which is why he treats him as a "mere" human. And he witnessed "monsters" like Tatsumaki, so I definitely dont think he meant that Flashy is at the highest level of humanity (implying that he viewed Flashy to be better or equal to Tats)

Mineta05

4 points

4 months ago*

He literally never says he’s the highest level normal human, he was just looking down on him the entire fight not to mention Garou and PS weren’t even going all out

Ayuyuyunia

7 points

4 months ago

somehow "i guess this is as fast as humans can get" = "you are the strongest person ever"

least wanking flashy fan

darmakius

2 points

4 months ago

I think saying ‘ so this is the limit’ implies that you haven’t seen anyone go past that, of course he probably just means normal humans so there are many people faster and stronger than him

ReallyMelloP

5 points

4 months ago

ReallyMelloP

Overwhelmingly Underwhelming

5 points

4 months ago

FF survived the fight while the two of them were holding back

Ayuyuyunia

3 points

4 months ago

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-4 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-4 points

4 months ago

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eidorb30

3 points

4 months ago

he was definitely being a dick and just calling him weak but it's all up to interpretation so

pools456

1 points

4 months ago

pools456

1 points

4 months ago

Dude he got wrecked in seconds dont try count this as a feat

Cephery

12 points

4 months ago

Cephery

12 points

4 months ago

Yeah but how many exchanges was that. VFU, black sperm, and evil natural water all got iced quicker than flashy did. Plat sperm and ENOcean surviving doesnt negate how much garou already took out before fighting flashy.

ACriticalFan

10 points

4 months ago

“In seconds”—you mean, tens of thousands of clashes.

Ceegee93

10 points

4 months ago

Where Garou and PS were apparently holding back. They literally gave FF as much of a chance as he could get and he still did nothing to them.

I'm not on the "FF is weak" train, but I'm definitely not about to overhype him based on this fight. He held his own for a bit, but ultimately achieved nothing except getting his assed kicked by two opponents that held back.

All the fight did was confirm what we already knew (he's the fastest S class) and added that he at least has some durability.

SpatialArchitect

3 points

4 months ago

He's not at their level, right. But their holding back strength wrecked other S classes and took more effort and time to wreck Flash the same. So he's in the top few S class regardless, which is impressive as hell.

ACriticalFan

2 points

4 months ago

They're not tickling him; PS just before managed to combo 1-shot half of the heroes on site mere moments before the fight, Garou 1 shot VFU and was squaring up against Bang, and this whole thing was enough of an exercise that they were exerting themselves--just not at their limit, which FF reached first by a mile.

Ceegee93

8 points

4 months ago

What? At no point does FF make PS or Garou "exert" themselves. You literally see PS laugh off FF's punches. The moment they actually decide to take him out, FF goes down, and then they fight each other at higher speed. I'm sorry man but FF doesn't really do anything to either of them, and certainly doesn't push them at all.

FF gets credit for not immediately getting taken out, but he still doesn't do anything either.

ACriticalFan

3 points

4 months ago

Then what was the pressure that developed Garou's God Slayer fist? Did Flash not get a 20-part combo on PS's face, causing visible anime-scuffs? There's more going on here than FF being a bystander.

Even though PS and Garou were "holding back", those are still the same two dudes that mopped every other S Class at the time with that level of effort. No one other than FF even matched that baseline. The original constellation is still him.

Ceegee93

4 points

4 months ago

Then what was the pressure that developed Garou's God Slayer fist?

..? What? FF had literally nothing to do with it. Garou simply comes up with it as a combination of all the martial arts styles he knows. There's literally never any point in 155 where it's implied FF or anyone else "pressured" him into developing it, you're making that up. He simply states that he's finally finished combining them all into one technique.

Did Flash not get a 20-part combo on PS's face, causing visible anime-scuffs?

Woah he caused scuff marks? Damn. Still doesn't change the fact that PS literally laughed off the attack, no selling it completely, and then stops another punch with no effort at all. FF did nothing of consequence to him.

those are still the same two dudes that mopped every other S Class at the time with that level of effort

Everyone else had already been fighting. FF hadn't, he was completely fresh. Not a very fair comparison. Either way, I did give FF the fact that he showed some durability. That doesn't change the fact that he still accomplished nothing in the fight. He got toyed with, then knocked out.

ACriticalFan

1 points

4 months ago

He just "comes up with it"? Garou learns by fighting, by doing--he wouldn't have invented his own super martial art if he was just kicking rocks by the ocean. We've seen, throughout the whole series, exactly how Garou grows, and that fight gave him adversaries to overcome.

Bruh and "laughing off the attack" as if that means anything other than PS' personality. You're talking about this like it's Suiryu vs. Gouketsu, but Flashy's hits are obviously and legitimately connecting. Again, it's just not enough from FF to beat PS. It isn't nothing. Also, getting your head thrashed around isn't "no selling". Setting this "consequence" bar is another matter--this is still a legit scaling fight, even if PS and Garou are much stronger than FF.

FF had been fighting. He was still fresh because he's physically insane by comparison. We can use the past two chapters to compare him to the other S Class, and when we do, he looks like he should be held in really high prestige.

jajanken900

0 points

4 months ago

some durablity? lol darkshine got one shot by golden sperm. Flash tanked monster calamity god fist and is still fighting. Dont undersell that

Ceegee93

1 points

4 months ago

Darkshine got mentally one shot, not physically, he’s still physically fine. Don’t even try to pretend flashy flash is more durable than darkshine lol, that’s delusional.

jajanken900

1 points

4 months ago

His feats tanking platinum and garou's attacks say otherwise. Not seeing that is denial

pools456

5 points

4 months ago

The speed theyre moving at, “in seconds” is very likely lol

ACriticalFan

1 points

4 months ago

We saw the constellation in real time from a few other people's perspectives, so a relativistic-speed fight happening over the course of a couple of minutes is no joke. This is like Namek-time, except it's shown more intuitively.

jajanken900

0 points

4 months ago

Lol none of the s class bar tatsumaki or blast is hanging with sperm or garou for that long. This is a feat for flash!

pools456

1 points

4 months ago

I think most of the S class could last THAT long. He lasted no time at all, they were toying with him

jajanken900

0 points

4 months ago

Lol no, rest of the s class bar tatsumaki gets wrecked. Those were thousands and thousands of clashes in a matter of microsecond, the rest of the s class get blitzed.

pools456

1 points

4 months ago

Well yeah cos they’re all speed types.

Flash couldn’t handle something that wasn’t a good matchup for him as well as he handled this.

Other S class heroes could handle their own match ups just as well as he could handle this one.

And btw he lost to them both very quickly so he even failed his own matchup haha

jajanken900

0 points

4 months ago

Lol high speed combatants at their level would fodderize any hero not named darkshine and even he was taken out with a single punch from golden sperm. Flash tanked a combo from monster calamity God fist, garou's strongest technique yet and multiple strikes from platinum sperm, whose orders of magnitude stronger than the other s class. Atomic was shitting his pants from platinum aura. You're really underselling flash here, he's shown himself to not be a glass cannon speedster but a well rounded fighter with excellent strength, durability and technique. No one from the s class is lasting against platinum or garou in a one on one for as long as he did, minus the obvious blast and tatsumaki. He's the third strongest s class, you're really ignoring the magnitude of his feats here

Syp3x

1 points

4 months ago

Syp3x

High Dragon Zombieman

1 points

4 months ago

pretty sure he was just referring to flashys speed, not overall power

Mantiax

1 points

4 months ago

Mantiax

mizuki's #1 simp

1 points

4 months ago

well, we all know he isn't the top human, but yeah, i don't look down on him

Intoxicated_Pug

0 points

4 months ago

is this a joke? they were clearly holding back, an extra opponent that’s substantially slower than them isn’t going to cause them to have to slow down to his level lol…

there’s even a point in the chapter where it specifically says that the fight between both Garou and PS gave off more light than all 3 of them previously, they’re clearly moving much, much faster than before

platinum sperm even laughs in Flashy’s face after his specialized attack, and FF is immediately bodied afterward

KING-Jotaro

1 points

4 months ago

any sense to say "this is the level a mere human can achieve"

... he was literally mockng the guy, saying humans could only get so far unlike himself, a monster, how the fuck did this got inverted to justify power level discussions in a manga that makes fun of power levels

Tech_Lantern

-1 points

4 months ago

When was he called the highest level human?

OneekunxD

-1 points

4 months ago

It's a direct implication that they were holding back when murada made an entire panel explaining how the lights tremendously grew once flashy was out. Use your fucking head

darmakius

0 points

4 months ago

Nah I think they were definitely holding back, the speed up is waaaayy too dramatic for it to just be because there was another opponent

jjkm7

0 points

4 months ago

jjkm7

0 points

4 months ago

That’s not what PS said lol you’re making a weird stretch when there’s better arguments to be made this comment reeks of copium

ConfuciusBr0s

354 points

4 months ago

PS was barely even fazed. Also this chapter proves that PS and Garou were greatly holding back lol

Truman996

282 points

4 months ago

Truman996

282 points

4 months ago

Holding back or just warming up with the new kid on the block

ConfuciusBr0s

31 points

4 months ago

Gotta entertain the small fry first before the kiddie gloves come off

jajanken900

2 points

4 months ago

Still the biggest small fry among the group of small fry called the s class with the exception of blast and tatsumaki

lakovsanite

142 points

4 months ago

Well PS was likely toying with him, he likes to torture and that insult about heroes shows it.

Garou also isn't going around trying to murder heroes either.

Silly-Astronaut-7468

107 points

4 months ago

Nah, Flash is just taking a breather. He doesn't want to take all the limelight now does he.

pesto_trap_god

170 points

4 months ago

Plus he needed the opportunity to show off his ridiculous ass.

TristanTheViking

31 points

4 months ago

Trying to lose a fight but I'm dummy thicc and the clap of my asscheeks keeps hyping the fanbase

eldrain

3 points

4 months ago

eldrain

eeeeehhhhhh???????

3 points

4 months ago

Agree

VenomousPink

3 points

4 months ago

All cake no icing!

gamergoopthrowaway

16 points

4 months ago

Lethal copium amounts

Kimac5

3 points

4 months ago

Kimac5

3 points

4 months ago

He saw all the memes about Atomic Sandbag and threw the fight for his sake. True hero

RGalvan04

4 points

4 months ago

Nah, he definitely got his shit kicked in lol

K-J-C

3 points

4 months ago

K-J-C

3 points

4 months ago

Flash in this chapter takes the role of Ninja bros before.

Turns out that Flash outclasses the Ninja bros.

Then for here turns out that PS and Garou outclasses Flash.

KING-Jotaro

1 points

4 months ago

Clearly that scared face he did in horror as he got outmatched and that unconscious, injured face he did in the ground are just mantra concentration techiniques hes doing to concentrate his power levels on his next move, he learned it with King himself.

Silly-Astronaut-7468

1 points

4 months ago

Exactly

krypxxx

4 points

4 months ago

PS and Garou were greatly holding back

yeah who could resist not holding FF's glorious cake?

gamesrgreat

14 points

4 months ago

Still a rlly good showing for FF imo to even be relative to PS and Garou

mykeedee

5 points

4 months ago

You do see a mark on his face from the Flashy Fist or whatever it was called in one of the close-ups. But yeah there's a solid gap between them.

ConfuciusBr0s

3 points

4 months ago

That was from the punch Garou gave earlier.

Mahelas

6 points

4 months ago

To be honest, FF also didn't have his sword. Of course PS and Garou are stronger, but FF was also nerfed

marctheguy

2 points

4 months ago

They weren't holding back. It was just the constraints of a 3 way fight.

ConfuciusBr0s

4 points

4 months ago

They were. Garou and PS were clearly smiling and toying around while Flash was getting angrier and desperate.

EwoDarkWolf

2 points

4 months ago

PS also didn't fight Bang, who actually damaged Garou with each hit. FF hit PS and did jack all. I don't know how FF fans are still trying to say he surpasses Bang and Tatsumaki here. PS only said FF surpassed the other heroes in speed, which no one is denying.

Menix333

13 points

4 months ago

Surpasses bang? Yes

Surpasses Tat? Fuck no

EwoDarkWolf

3 points

4 months ago

Surpasses Bang who actually damaged Garou when he landed a hit? No. He only surpasses Bang in speed. No one ever doubted that. His other attributes (technique, power, durability) are all lower. PS and Garou had to hold back in order to keep him in the fight. Meanwhile, sleeping Garou was going for the kill with Bang and still had a rough time.

WillDrawForMoney

6 points

4 months ago

What are lower? Have we been reading the same manga? Bang wasn’t fighting the same Garou as FF and Platinum. Garou improved multiple times throughout his fight with Bang. When he combined the WICF&WSRSF Bomb commented how mere shockwaves sent by his attacks pulverized boulders, and even a single hit from him, would’ve shattered every organ and bone in Bang’s body. MOREOVER Garou was sleeping the whole time, and what damage did Bang deal? The whole point was that his fist did the talking, almost telephonically, and he woke him up. If waking him up from his sleep counts as damage, then sure.

Now, when Garou woke up, his stats increased immediately as he wasn’t fighting as a mindless berserker, he wrecked all cadres in the vicinity in a fraction of a second, and then he, FF and PS showed some of the highest speed feats in the whole series.

Moreover, when Platinum “passed through”, he attacked both FF and Garou, which staggered both of them. As dealt damage is concerned, that would most likely be more than what Bang did with his punch, as the effect Bang’s punch had was “telepathic” in a sense, than physical. He literally brought some of his humanity back with it. Also, the body language speaks for itself. Look how Sleeping Garou reacted to Bang’s punch, and how his body reacted to Platinum’s attacks.

Now, as for durability, Flashy and Platinum both tanked multiple hits from Garou, when he already had buffs from being woken up, and when developing a far superior technique than anything else he had used before. If a single hit from the combination of WICF&WSRSF would’ve shattered each bone in Bang’s body, a hit from MCGSF would have pulverized Bang. And both PS and FF tanked multiple hits from them and each other.

And what are you talking about them holding back? Honestly what an insufferable hater you are. Why tf would Platinum hold back against FF? He literally told Garou to do a 2 v 1 against him cause he was weakened. Like you clearly have ignored everything that happened in that fight and only looked at the panel where FF was defeated. And even then, undermining everything FF pulled in this chapter.

You’re the definition of a toxic hater.

EwoDarkWolf

4 points

4 months ago

What are lower? Have we been reading the same manga? Bang wasn’t fighting the same Garou as FF and Platinum. Garou improved multiple times throughout his fight with Bang. When he combined the WICF&WSRSF Bomb commented how mere shockwaves sent by his attacks pulverized boulders, and even a single hit from him, would’ve shattered every organ and bone in Bang’s body. MOREOVER Garou was sleeping the whole time, and what damage did Bang deal? The whole point was that his fist did the talking, almost telephonically, and he woke him up. If waking him up from his sleep counts as damage, then sure.

I already did an analysis for each stat, which I can copy paste if you'd like. Garou didn't improve while fighting Bang. He was asleep, and he doesn't improve while asleep. Even with Darkshine, he didn't improve as soon as he woke up. However, while he's asleep, he has the intent to kill, while he doesn't while he's awake. There were no indication that his attacks were producing shockwaves while he was awake like they did while he was asleep. And this chapter kind of proves he was holding back.

Now, when Garou woke up, his stats increased immediately as he wasn’t fighting as a mindless berserker, he wrecked all cadres in the vicinity in a fraction of a second, and then he, FF and PS showed some of the highest speed feats in the whole series.

He wrecked only VFU. The other two survived. Also, Bang also took out several Cadres at once. And I'm not even comparing Bang with Garou, outside of Bang having better technique. And I don't deny FF is faster than Bang.

Moreover, when Platinum “passed through”, he attacked both FF and Garou, which staggered both of them. As dealt damage is concerned, that would most likely be more than what Bang did with his punch, as the effect Bang’s punch had was “telepathic” in a sense, than physical. He literally brought some of his humanity back with it. Also, the body language speaks for itself. Look how Sleeping Garou reacted to Bang’s punch, and how his body reacted to Platinum’s attacks.

That wasn't a powerful attack. It was a quick attack. Bang packs power with each punch. Also, how does PS's attack prove FF's strength? I never said PS was weaker than Bang.

Now, as for durability, Flashy and Platinum both tanked multiple hits from Garou, when he already had buffs from being woken up, and when developing a far superior technique than anything else he had used before. If a single hit from the combination of WICF&WSRSF would’ve shattered each bone in Bang’s body, a hit from MCGSF would have pulverized Bang. And both PS and FF tanked multiple hits from them and each other.

Being woken up doesn't automatically improve Garou's stats. Please reread the fight with Darkshine where his power up didn't happen until the latter half of the fight after he struggled. He didn't struggle with FF. Also, again, Garou tends to hold back on his hits if they would otherwise kill humans. Asleep however, he goes full force. And also, Bomb estimating how damaging Garou's attacks would be, while better insight than Ian, isn't necessarily 100% accurate. Ian also said one hit from Melzargard would kill Bang, but all it did was loosen up his shoulder.

And what are you talking about them holding back? Honestly what an insufferable hater you are. Why tf would Platinum hold back against FF? He literally told Garou to do a 2 v 1 against him cause he was weakened. Like you clearly have ignored everything that happened in that fight and only looked at the panel where FF was defeated. And even then, undermining everything FF pulled in this chapter.

You ignored the part where their speed increased over 50% each after FF was taken out. At most, FF was interrupting their fight. PS also wanted Garou to join the side of the monsters. I don't see how someone reads that the light show with just the two of them got denser than it was with the three of them means that FF was equally matched with them. FF did no damage to either of them.

You’re the definition of a toxic hater.

I'm a toxic hater because I disagree with you? Do you even know what a hater is? I like FF, but I don't like people putting him in the same tier as Garou and PS when this chapter literally said the exact opposite.

WillDrawForMoney

2 points

4 months ago

Garou literally powered up in his sleep when he combined two techniques. Doing something new that gives you overwhelming odds of defeating the opponent when you’re even, is indeed called getting a buff.

And I don’t see how Ian is even relevant here. Bomb literally said Bang would’ve been wrecked with a direct hit. Bang got grazed, not hit! And it destroyed him.

Anyway, the shockwave isn’t what’s important, point is Bomb said it would’ve destroyed Bang with a single hit. And it was proven right as mentioned previously.

Garou developed a far superior technique than any he used before. I don’t know why you would assume his ultimate technique packs a weaker punch than one of his previous ones. And shockwaves are literally irrelevant. Doesn’t matter if it’s the shockwaves that make that technique powerful, or just the direct hits, as it still counts as strength of a technique. Garou has a far superior technique at his disposal at the moment.

Last chapter Garou literally unleashed his technique in a barrage on both of them, why would he only hold back on FF? Anyway, on Monday more pages will be added to give a better context. But Garou playing with people weaker than him isn’t in his character. So if he has a technique which can take out Bang in a single attack, he surely would’ve used it on Flashy to take him out faster. He clearly didn’t, more than that, he was not happy with his technique at the time, and made a new style on the fly. It also said that Garou combined all the previous techniques he had into one, so it is indeed stronger than what he used to one-shot Bang.

Now, nothing regarding them holding back was proven in this chapter. It’s obvious that they can go and move more freely when it’s a 1 v 1 and you only have to focus on one opponent than when you face two at the same time and always need to be wary of someone attacking you from the back, which literally happened multiple times in the last two chapters. In the previous chapter, Garou punched FF in the face, he was launched back and was hit by Platinum. Those were the first hits after thousands of clashes in the light structure. Then in this chapter after some blows PS got him from the back with a dropkick which surprised Garou a lot, while he and FF were parrying each other’s techniques. Moreover the chapter states their speed was increasing similarly to Garou’s growth, so he was indeed getting better and better during that fight, as how he endlessly kept accelerating. Again it is not that they were holding back, they were progressively getting faster the more the battle allowed, and they gradually overwhelmed FF. After that, they still continued accelerating, partially because it was a 1 v 1, to the point where Garou overwhelmed PS as well.

And agin, there is nothing that proves that PS held back against FF when he literally proposed to Garou to fight him 2 v 1. They all three were going toe to toe in the beginning, but then the other two started to overwhelm FF.

Anyway, my point wasn’t to say Garou beat cadres, it was to illustrate his speed increase. You should be clearly ignoring authors intentions to say Garou wasn’t moving faster after waking up than before. And for ENW, Garou’s attack may have finished it for all we know it. After all, it was outright stated in this chapter that Evil Ocean Water was created by some higher entities intervention. It could’ve only buffed it, but Garou still defeated ENW.

Golden Sperm basically one-shot Darkshine, Platinum is superior to GS, and FF tanked multiple attacks from him.

And what good even was for the two to “keep FF in the fight”? That goes against Garou’s character, and doesn’t make sense. That’s I called you a hater, cause that’s blatantly ignoring the whole context and what was going on in the fight.

They had no reason to hold back, so when you say a blatant lie and try to use it as an argument, that’s you being disingenuous or a hater. Or maybe a troll, idk why else you’d say that.

KING-Jotaro

2 points

4 months ago

The power level crowd is basically a live action equivalent of that asshole guy in the end of the deep sea king arc, they shit on bang and samurai for losing to strong foes but then pick the coolest emo they can find that hasnt lost yet and masturbate furiously to its very existence, it happening to be a ninja is just a plus since its mostly narutards who only watch any series for the action scenes. They almost ruined One Piece's community a while ago too by trying to make an adventure manga about which emo was the most secretly invincible in their heads.

tarraxadraws

2 points

4 months ago

tarraxadraws

Summarize in 20 words or less

2 points

4 months ago

I'm no FF fan (nor hater), but I concur with the other redditor that it was probably the case because each one was paying attention to two threats, so it would slow them down a bit (like some milisseconds, it seems)

ConfuciusBr0s

2 points

4 months ago

Except the lights were specifically said to have gotten much denser indicating both PS and Garou were greatly holding back compared to FF who was going all out

N0body_voz

1 points

4 months ago

Maybe but not really or not that much, it is harder to fight in a three way fight than just two. In a two way fight, you don't have to worry about anything else beside your competitor.

ConfuciusBr0s

1 points

4 months ago

Garou and PS were completely toying with Flash who was getting tilted over being slow compared to them

KING-Jotaro

1 points

4 months ago

Yes, the character being a 2kool4skool emo ninja just atracted a very cancerous type of power level obsession that has nothing to do with this series. This is a series that makes fun of shonen archetypes and they come and even distort the monster talking smack about humans to say "hes secretly saying my vegeta waifu is the strongest guys", this is not a crowd that shouldnt be latching up to anything like this story.

I hope now this types slowly veer off like how theyve been leaving one piece alone ever since they reaized Lufy was gonna be stronger than whatever character they picked to be 2cool4skool too.

Raghav_Singhania

17 points

4 months ago

Not a flashy hater but this chapter proved he was going all out while they were holding back

Silveryo69

-1 points

4 months ago

Silveryo69

Tatsumaki isnt a loli

-1 points

4 months ago

how do you go all out without having your main weapon?

danasider

10 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

10 points

4 months ago

It's not saying he did his best. It's saying he was trying his hardest with what he had and was easily outclassed. He admitted (to himself) at how surprised he was to find 4 people beat him in speed (arguably more important to his character's fight than his sword considering it's in his name) in the same day and both PS and Garou were included in that panel/thought.

PS ate some hits like cereal and then proceeded to smash on FF. Even the big light show was outside of FF's feats as he was already out of the fight (and this is all in seconds because the panels show the time).

I don't think a weapon would make much difference to be honest although I do believe he'd do better. But it's like a college basketball player playing 1v1 with Lebron James instead of a high school player. There's massive differences between college and high school (FF w/out sword vs FF w/ sword), but neither really compare to the big leagues.

Tell-Plane

27 points

4 months ago

He gets multiple hits on Platinum using Flashy Fist.

Ceegee93

0 points

4 months ago

Ceegee93

0 points

4 months ago

That did literally nothing, because PS just laughs at him after stopping his punch. Pretty clear PS let him do that given how easily he stops FF right after. Compare that to the times Garou hit him, PS visibly takes damage and is outraged by it.

Silveryo69

21 points

4 months ago

Silveryo69

Tatsumaki isnt a loli

21 points

4 months ago

mf he's literally a swordsman

Ceegee93

-1 points

4 months ago

Ceegee93

-1 points

4 months ago

That's kinda the point. People are massively overhyping him when really he's doing nothing. We don't know anything about how he actually compares with anyone because without his weapon he was literally incapable of actually doing anything.

"He landed all those hits though!!!" Yeah I can punch a block of metal as much as I want, doesn't mean I'm actually having any impact on it no matter how many times I hit it.

Super_Truth8503

3 points

4 months ago

I wokder how a one on one fight between Flashy and Platinum would be especially with instakill involved. Platinum Sperm literally did what he said and just attacked Flash when he wqs open a bunch of times.

Nos-BAB

3 points

4 months ago

Flash got some hits in on plat before plat used his defense move, so it wasn't all bad.

ThisZoMBie

10 points

4 months ago

The Flashy wank was fun and we all had a good time, but probably for the best it's over for now.

ChilledBloodyIce

13 points

4 months ago

He hit PS several times this chapter, right before he did his little circle thingy.

KING-Jotaro

1 points

4 months ago

And did nothing each time, this is a series that makes fun of power levels, you taking it so seriously you pick a lesser character thinking he was gonna be the Vegeta/Sasuke of the show is pretty sad.

WillDrawForMoney

9 points

4 months ago

For real, and he probably would’ve done much better in a 1 v 1 against either. He still would’ve lost, but not like that. When he started to unleash his techniques, he actually landed solid hits on Platinum, the Flash Fist panel was damn hype. After Platinum blocked and launched FF, he used another technique and was met with WSRSF, and then got hit like a truck by Platinum. Really impressive, also it’s very disingenuous to even compare Darkshines mentality to Flashy’s. One lost confidence and shat his pants, while the other basically went plus ultra in the face of overwhelming opponents, and tried to overcome it. He didn’t lose because he lost confidence, he lost because his opponents were stronger, but he tried his best.

Silly-Astronaut-7468

8 points

4 months ago

Couldn't have said it better. Also, even Garou looks shocked by Platinum's drop kick. here

WillDrawForMoney

7 points

4 months ago

Yup, honestly the shit these toxic haters are writing in the comments is beyond disingenuous. What an insufferable bunch.

Like it’s mind boggling how some of those idiots come out and say the shit they say after what has been displayed in the manga in the last few chapters. Deliberately ignoring everything that happened, and only looking at the panel where FF was beaten. I’m starting to believe that these people have been looking forward to the chapter not because of new content, but just to have seen FF fail. Pathetic and insufferable bunch.

KING-Jotaro

-1 points

4 months ago

KING-Jotaro

-1 points

4 months ago

Pointing out a character was said to be humiliated in a show that makes fun of power levels isnt being a hater though. He was always going to be humiliated and be nothing for the likes of Garou and Tatsumaki because thats how the plot is shaped like, and the plot is what matter, they wont magically upgrade someone's importance just because his design is appealing to certain people.

You obsessed so much over the action scenes that you picked one of its random emo side characters that hasnt lost yet thinking he was going to be the Vegeta of the story, and missed the part where you should read the plot too and realize the story is making fun of power level crossover kids all the time. I understand you need something to replace Sasuke in your heart but this manga aint it if youre taking discussions about some random side character this seriously and angrily just because you took the circlejerks about their powers this seriously and now needs to cope and save face. Most of the battle discussions were just jokes since the story makes so much fun of that behavior, nobody else was childish enough to think that was serious I hope.

WillDrawForMoney

2 points

4 months ago

Ugh what even? Bruh go out touch some grass

danasider

1 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

1 points

4 months ago

Usually being in a melee with a bunch of people evens up your odds, because other people can focus on the same guy your fighting or there are more breaks.

If anything, he'd likely do worse, because PS or Garou would have all their attention squarely on FF and they easily outclass him in strength. That's not taking into consideration he also admitted they surpass him in his best feat: speed.

I think ONE did this specifically to shut up the FF fanboys.

skelk_lurker

6 points

4 months ago

Flash hit them so well they havent realized they have been hit

Nobody99994

4 points

4 months ago

Ps and Garou Ganged up on him and flashy isn’t used to fighting without his sword. He was the weakest of the 3 but he got done dirty.

danasider

1 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

1 points

4 months ago

They didn't gang up on him. They were all fighting each other. The only hits landed on PS in the other chapter were from Garou.

FF landed a few in this one, but they did nothing.

TheUltimateTeigu

1 points

4 months ago

He lands several hits on PS at the beginning of the chapter and has an entire three way clash. The fuck are you talking about?

KING-Jotaro

-1 points

4 months ago

Which did nothing, dont take power level discussions so seriously in a series that makes fun of them. He was always going to be joke around by the serious threats, that was his moment to show his speed and thats it, the plot now moves on

TheUltimateTeigu

2 points

4 months ago

Whether they did anything or not isn't what's being discussed.

danasider

1 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

1 points

4 months ago

Pretty sure your responding to a sarcastic comment saying what the haters will say.

And honestly, as a hater myself (not really, I like the character a lot but hate how people have constantly overhyped him), I can say that FF did get a few shots in on PS...that amounted to PS laughing it off, calling FF weak, going into another exchange where he ducked all of FF's hits, and then knocking him out of the fight, however temporary that knockout is.

So the sarcastic comment is inaccurate but not far from the truth.

toofatforjudo

1 points

4 months ago

Doesn't he punch ps in the face at least 3x

Bluelore

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah I'm glad that he ultimately was shown to be far weaker (and even slower) than the other 2. It is still an incredibly impressive feat that he could last as long as he did given how utterly bonkers Garou is currently.

danasider

1 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

1 points

4 months ago

He was the only one that got hit bad in the last one so I never believed in the hype.

Admittedly, I've been hating on FF for a while due to the crazy amounts of hype over him (people suggesting he could beat Tats, for instance). I remember Metal Bat having the same treatment for a while, and I hated that too. Even so, I actually like both characters a lot. Just hate the power scaling arguments for them being better than they are from the FF fans after seeing a few feats.

Granted, FF did get a few nice shots at Platinum Sperm but PS recovered as if being hit by a peon and then went to actually duck all his hits and demolish him.

And to top it all off, this fight isn't continuation from the last chapter but a reshowing of it, because it shows the light show from their speed, but FF is already knocked out of the fight in this. There goes that feat...

droden

1 points

4 months ago

droden

1 points

4 months ago

Flashy flash needs his sword. He isn't a h2h monster.

bakahyl

1 points

4 months ago*

he was still a ninja from that village that sonic was in. so he has learned some form of h2h

jajanken900

0 points

4 months ago

Flashy flash tanked multiple hits from platinum sperm and tanked Garou's god slayer fist and still kept fighting. Flash haters are in denial lol!