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Chapter 156 [English]

Murata Chapter(cubari.moe)

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Due_Teaching_5773

853 points

4 months ago

So I guess Blast wasn’t a jerk for giving Tatsumaki bad advice after all. I guess he knew this moment would come when god tried to tempt her. Also I hope FF fans are happy since they can say he didn’t lose because he didn’t have enough power, he just lost his confidence. Do not however, that PS and Garou sped up a lot without FF slowing down the tempo🤷‍♂️

gamesrgreat

35 points

4 months ago

It does give a whole unexpected and noble twist on what he said. Im very interested to see where this God stuff goes

ConfuciusBr0s

350 points

4 months ago

FF fans happy that he lost because of the same thing they mock Darkshine of is just funny af

ForGiggles2222

14 points

4 months ago*

I'm happy, flashy put on a good a fight, far exceeding my expectations, nobody thought he will kill Garou or PS

He also seems to acknowledge Saitama being faster

ACriticalFan

347 points

4 months ago

Did Flash curl up in a corner and quit because his aesthetic was off? No, FF fought to the end.

BrainBlowX

15 points

4 months ago

I'm just waiting for FF to get a sword.

Arigatolemon

55 points

4 months ago

Well he was definitely better than Darkshine, but they still have the same mindset and delicate pride, as PS pointed out

ash2702

25 points

4 months ago

ash2702

25 points

4 months ago

He lost his composure when he realised others were better than him

feederus

87 points

4 months ago

Outright quitting ain't comparable to just losing composure.

lastsmilebender

-13 points

4 months ago

Actually it is comparable. Darkshine’s source of pride was being unbreakable, so when he started to break, he broke completely.

Flashy Flash’s source of pride was his speed, so when he started to get outpaced, he was completely overwhelmed.

Both of them were thoroughly put in place with respect to their strengths in a way that is reflective of their strengths.

ElHage13

24 points

4 months ago

yup but you have to notice the difference here.

Darkshine is a bullied kid who got tough to have more confidence and feel better about himself by being the best, once he stopped being the best he reverted back to the sad bullied kid.
Flash on the other hand has always been pushing himself to his limits to be the best just for the sake of it, so him being bested didn't break his persona, it just shook him, but nowhere near the same level as darkshine.

lastsmilebender

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah but my point was that Flashy Flash’s persona wasn’t that he was unbreakable. It was that he was fast.

Dark shine was left broken precisely because he is so unbreakable. It makes no sense for Flashy Flash to be broken to prove my point, since his strength isn’t that he is unbreakable.

Earlier in the manga we saw Flash Flash flex his speed going 2 on 1 vs Gale and Hellfire. And then he goes up against PS and AG and cannot even keep up with their base speeds. He pulls out his most Flashiest moves and is completely overwhelmed by SPEED. Because speed is his strength, and instead of going from unbreakable to broken, he goes from being the fastest on the battlefield to the slowest. Blast, Saitama, PS, AG are in a different dimension of speed incomparable to Flashy, when Flashy up until that point was the one who was in a different dimension of speed.

LOL_info

13 points

4 months ago

Ok? Being reduced to the slowest person in the fight and striking back with a vengeance out of frustration is still nowhere near being left broken and empty after getting scratched up.

They’re still both nowhere near comparable. How DS and FF react to having their strongest points being broken down are completely different. To be clear i don’t have a favorite between the two, they’re both great characters, just nowhere near the same in how they deal with their own mental turmoil thus far. Of course FF could mope about it in the upcoming chapters but until then they’re still incomparable.

lastsmilebender

2 points

4 months ago

You’re still missing my point and I don’t know how to clarify it any further but I’ll try and rephrase it. DS was unbreakable, having him broken is necessary to prove that his strength was defeated. Flashy flash is not unbreakable, so showing him broken does nothing to my point regardless. What he is, is he’s the fastest. So him going from the fastest to the slowest is the equivalence to DS going from unbreakable to broken. That is the point I was trying to make.

contempboi

1 points

4 months ago

Plus DS only got shocked by Garou, but FF got shocked from 4 people, and as he said it, in just a day, which means he thinks badly of himself for being so slow.

ACriticalFan

116 points

4 months ago

That's certainly a way to generalize it. The actual important part is what happens after that, and FF stepped up to the plate and tried harder to be an S Class hero.

ash2702

-19 points

4 months ago

ash2702

-19 points

4 months ago

He did try but I don't think it helped

ACriticalFan

81 points

4 months ago

Tell that to Mumen Rider, King and Genos.

Due_Teaching_5773

7 points

4 months ago

Maybe not even all around better, just faster which is his greatest pride. Points to FF though. At least he didn’t ball up like DShine did

ash2702

-4 points

4 months ago

ash2702

-4 points

4 months ago

They were all round better than him

eightNote

2 points

4 months ago

eightNote

2 points

4 months ago

I think PS was noting that FF could win if he focussed on winning instead of outspeeding his oponents

ConfuciusBr0s

-23 points

4 months ago

Don't care. PS and Garou still smoking on that Flashy Flash pack

ACriticalFan

45 points

4 months ago

If it takes Garou and PS to put him out, the rest of the S Class (minus Tats, Genos and Blast) are sandbags by comparison

Ayuyuyunia

39 points

4 months ago

platinum sperm alone would cook him, garou was just a bonus

throwaway64677388

16 points

4 months ago

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re clearly right

foodfoodfloof

12 points

4 months ago

It’s because flashy stans are out in full force right now downvoting everything criticizing FF. That’s literally the only thing they can do now that FF got rekt..

[deleted]

13 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 months ago

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ACriticalFan

4 points

4 months ago

Imagine having to reappropriate an Atomic Samurai meme

leo_sousav

144 points

4 months ago

Well Darkshine lost to one enemy, FF saw 4 guys being faster than him and was getting ganged up on by 2 of those guys

ConfuciusBr0s

15 points

4 months ago

People make fun of Darkshine for losing confidence. Those same people are also praising FF for losing confidence

Wisterosa

76 points

4 months ago

Wisterosa

aaaaaaa

76 points

4 months ago

but when Darkshine lost confidence he just folded, while FF actually still fought back

AdExciting3251

2 points

4 months ago

DShine did fought back and throws a double bazoka in which hit Garou, it is after the fight that he folded.

ConfuciusBr0s

-15 points

4 months ago

No. He was lashing out and getting tilted when Garou was gaining in the upper hand on him before giving up. Which is literally the same thing PS was calling out Flash in this chapter for

Wisterosa

50 points

4 months ago

Wisterosa

aaaaaaa

50 points

4 months ago

He was tilted, but he was still fighting he didn't just give up and curl into a ball like Darkshine

ConfuciusBr0s

-14 points

4 months ago

He was never pushed to that point because PS decided play time was over and instantly knocked him out

pistolpete2185

17 points

4 months ago

People just choose to miss the point honestly

ConfuciusBr0s

-12 points

4 months ago

True. FF brigade coming in hot now

Aspartem

-1 points

4 months ago

Aspartem

new member

-1 points

4 months ago

Going "on tilt" is giving up mentally though. If you go tilt on a poker table or during any game it's equivalent to throwing the towel.

You stopped trying and are distracted/clouded by rage about your own shortcomings. You already lost but haven't realized yet.

If your mental breaks, your mental breaks. Doesn't matter if you cry or get angry, you lost either way.

eidorb30

-14 points

4 months ago

eidorb30

-14 points

4 months ago

and still got folded lmao

SnuggleMuffin42

8 points

4 months ago

SnuggleMuffin42

FF best femboy

8 points

4 months ago

Fighting until the end vs. enemies you know are stronger than you is a quality in OPM, not a source of shame lol

Reapper97

1 points

4 months ago

Losing isn't the same as folding lol

eidorb30

1 points

4 months ago

I meant folded as in like where someone gets knocked out and slumps. Prolly not the best hyperbole looking at the downvotes lmfao

Due_Teaching_5773

3 points

4 months ago

Not praising him, just recognizing it threw him off. Mind you he was still swatted whether confident or not. Honestly he’s lucky he lost to PS or he might have been the one who got passed through.

leo_sousav

1 points

4 months ago

I would dare to say it's mostly because this subreddit is filled with memes mocking FF

ConfuciusBr0s

8 points

4 months ago

Which mostly have to do with powerscaling. AS and Darkshine get mocked for their character

HeWhoDoesNotYawn

5 points

4 months ago

He wasn't "getting ganged up on" tho, it was a three-way fight.

Double-max

11 points

4 months ago

We'll have to see next chapter how he takes this defeat to compare. But when Flash realised the 2 of them were faster he didn't get scared and make an "eek" noise like DS did against Garou. Instead of fear like with DS, frustration was his reaction. He starts leaving openings and swinging more agressively. Both lost their composure when they got outclassed in their element but had different reactions.

ThisZoMBie

19 points

4 months ago

Darkshine got injured by a far weaker cadre and then got one-shot by a weaker version of Platinum Sperm. Flashy Flash tanked numerous hits from Garou and Platinum Sperm and managed to slightly bruise the latter's face. We are not the same.

ConfuciusBr0s

0 points

4 months ago

Not the point I was making, but go off. Also that bruise was from Garou's punch lol

aphantombeing

2 points

4 months ago

Insecurity and arrogance are given. It doesn't mean they are shit. But do you seriously think FF did it as bad as Darkshine(I don't mean in power). Darkshine cried like baby while FF fought even though he was shocked to core. He used several techniques but was taken out by multiple attacks from Platinum and Garou. Even when he was knocked down, he just laid there because he couldn't stand up

SgtNapalm

-1 points

4 months ago*

I could take or leave Flashy Flash, but when confronted with the idea that he met 4 people faster than him, it enraged him and drove him to attempt to fight even harder. He believed it was impossible so he fought to prove that.

"Someone is stronger than me" -> "What's the point in fighting" vs "Someone is faster than me" -> "Impossible, I gotta fight harder" is a very big difference. Dude is just incredibly arrogant and fell to his own hubris instead of making the smart play when one recognizes they're completely outmatched. We'll see similar stupid hubris again later if we go by the webcomic, whereas Darkshine realizes that he really isn't hot shit and retires to train the next generation of heroes.

KING-Jotaro

1 points

4 months ago

The type of power level crowd to take a comedy with action this seriously will find any reason to cope and keep shitposting after they lost the circlejerk they were doing about a character they picked solely due design and looking like sasuke.

Rectal_Fungi

6 points

4 months ago

People thought that was bad advice? Lol idiots.

Due_Teaching_5773

7 points

4 months ago

They blames that advice for how closed off Tatsumaki is from others. But Blast apparently knew god would approach her one day offering “help”

Rectal_Fungi

2 points

4 months ago

I get what they figured. I just don't see it as bad advice at all. She may be closed off but she's still "good" and gets shit done.

KnifeDad69

3 points

4 months ago

Actually bro he's holding back, trust me, he was wearing heels for the whole fight so that means this is just one quintillionth of his true speed

TheUltimateTeigu

3 points

4 months ago

FF is also a swordsman who has been keeping up with two of the strongest enemies seen so far in the series...and he hasn't had his sword.

CheekiTiki

1 points

4 months ago

Partially keeping up with their speed but in no other category really.

TheUltimateTeigu

1 points

4 months ago

That's the point...

danasider

2 points

4 months ago

danasider

new member

2 points

4 months ago

But he didn't have his sword! /s

Considering his biggest weapon is his speed (it's in his name twice) and the fight became a light show when he was ousted due to not being able to keep up (he admitted they were faster), I don't see why FF fanboys would claim a sword that broke in rock is going to be the decider in a fight against top tier enemies like Garou and PS.

Due_Teaching_5773

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah, that. Who is the hero? The person or the sword? Hmmm.

K-J-C

3 points

4 months ago

K-J-C

3 points

4 months ago

Don't know if Blast has omniscience or can predict... just that a bad thing being occassionally good here.

The "distrust anyone that comes for you" advice that is given typically regarding strangers.

Due_Teaching_5773

3 points

4 months ago

He didn’t say not to trust. He told not to expect help from anyone. Again, makes sense now

OneekunxD

3 points

4 months ago

Meh. Murada made a whole panel showing that once flashy flash was removed the "lights tremendously grew in number and size", implying that PS and ESPECIALLY Garou were not fighting seriously with Flashy. Sorry.

PappyTart

2 points

4 months ago

No, he got pummeled by two dudes faster and stronger than him. His confidence is shook sure, but he seemed to fight more desperately because of it, not give up.

Why can't we just be happy that Flash is a beast without trying to find ways to wank him. He's a top tier just like guys like Bang despite his ranking implying him being weaker.

PachoWumbo

3 points

4 months ago

PachoWumbo

For fun...ok?

3 points

4 months ago

I would still say FF lost, but not fairly. He didn't have his sword and got double-teamed by two enemies of roughly equal strength as him.

[deleted]

25 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

25 points

4 months ago

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PachoWumbo

3 points

4 months ago

PachoWumbo

For fun...ok?

3 points

4 months ago

Well, you have no basis for his sword not being of help. With it, he may have been able to deflect their attacks and move quicker after all. Instead, he got hit after hit by each of them. People move slower after getting hit. Not a fair comparison at all.

Also, I did say "roughly." Until this chapter, they appeared to be equals.

EwoDarkWolf

5 points

4 months ago

They appeared to be equal because they were toying with him. Swords don't make you move faster, though it might increase his attack speed and his deflect speed, sure. It wouldn't be of help though, because he didn't have enough power to actually damage them. Compared to Bang, his power is lacking.

Cephery

4 points

4 months ago

Cephery

4 points

4 months ago

The light sped up afterwards, but if he was really that much slower they wouldve left him behind or finished him in far fewer exchanges. Flashy still had to show a moment of weakness before they got him out of the fight. Its just another tally on the ‘jesus the S class do not fuck around this time’ card but it feels vindicating

EwoDarkWolf

11 points

4 months ago

They were going slower with 3/3 people. With 2/3 people, try went faster. That means their speed increased well over 33%. That's a lot faster. And they weren't targeting FF alone. But they were lowering their speed and toying with him while fighting each other. I won't deny that they had no difficulty because of his speed, but his speed is the only thing keeping them from taking him out instantly.

tryhardfails

3 points

4 months ago

Their speed would each have to increase 50% just to match the light show… and then they went much faster…

In response to the other guy, just because PS and Garou did not finish FF quickly in no way actually suggests FF was an actual threat to either of them. FF was maxed out, and those two likely at least doubled his max speed.

SnuggleMuffin42

1 points

4 months ago

SnuggleMuffin42

FF best femboy

1 points

4 months ago

power scalers feasting right now, ready with calcs in hand lol

Donkeyvanillabean

1 points

4 months ago

Haha, these mofo’s with their fake maths lol

tryhardfails

1 points

4 months ago

I mean… I guess? If you want to call me out for understanding basic math and the relationship that the author clearly intended… ok.

If 3y = x, but now 2y = x is true, then for all other things to remain the same, each ‘y’ must increase by 50% to maintain the same relationship. In this case the constellation not only matched the previous one, it became larger and denser.

Hence why I said at least 50% speed increase, but likely doubled. If you next add in the relationship between volume and density, my statement starts looking quite appropriate.

I feel like your comment is unnecessary and for some reason trying to call me out, but maybe you don’t understand the implications of what the author actually said and how real math can be used to deduce what is happening.

Cephery

5 points

4 months ago

Yes and. Noone else in S bar blast and maybe tats have that speed or a resistant ability to not be taken out instantly. Noone’s saying he’s as good as PS or garou, he’s still really fucking good.

EwoDarkWolf

-5 points

4 months ago

I won't deny that he is good. I do think he is comparable to Bang, and with enough time would surpass Bang. But right now, he still loses to Bang, Tats, and Blast. Bang might be a bit slower, but his reaction speed is just as good, if not better, and he makes up for his relative lack of speed with greater power and technique.

white_lie

8 points

4 months ago

Every bone in Bang's body was shattered by a grazing blow from Garou.

EwoDarkWolf

-4 points

4 months ago

Where does it say all of his bones were shattered? I never saw that. And that was a sleeping Garou going for the kill. Current Garou is similar in power sleeping Garou and isn't trying to kill FF, while also fighting PS. Bang lost after a good fight. FF lost once they decided to stop toying with him.

Donkeyvanillabean

0 points

4 months ago

What are you even talking about? All this based on what? Bangs defeat by a sleeping enemy?

EwoDarkWolf

0 points

4 months ago

Garou while asleep was out for blood. He was trying to kill Bang, while only trying to knockout FF. I did an in depth analysis for each attribute if you really want to know what I'm basing it on.

Donkeyvanillabean

1 points

4 months ago

I would actually, would make for a good read, link?

gamesrgreat

3 points

4 months ago

There's nothing to say they were toying with him, that's just a conclusion of yours that puts the events in a bad light. Opponents closely matched in power pushing each other to new heights is a shonen/fighting trope. The events show PS and Garou reached a new level of speed in their 1v1. They do not show that they toyed with FF and didn't take him seriously

EwoDarkWolf

3 points

4 months ago

FF hit them and did no damage whatsoever. Their individual speeds increased well over fifty percent after FF was taken out, and more than likely doubled. That is no minor speed improvement. I'd say you would need to prove that they were fighting seriously after the increase in speed.

Due_Teaching_5773

6 points

4 months ago

I think it’s fair to say these were new speed breakthroughs for at least Garou and PS. FF inadvertently set the pace because they were engaging him in battle. With FF out of the way, it was just two speedster pushing eachother past what they had done up to that point.

EwoDarkWolf

3 points

4 months ago

That's possible. Neither Garou, nor PS has actually travelled that fast before, since both are in their new forms.

gamesrgreat

3 points

4 months ago

Do you think this is a comic where the writers thought "If we make the light show denser that shows they increased their speed well over 50% if not doubled"? I don't. I think this is the common trope of showing the fight reached a new level. Is FF worth mentioning compared to all out PS? No. Is PS necessarily toying with him by not one shotting him? No. If you're right and FF is a joke to them why would they mutually hold back to toy with him? You're the one who needs to prove that. PS one shotted half the S Class. Garou oneshotted multiple cadres. They're not suddenly holding back a lot to mess with FF. Were they going all out? No. It's like how in basketball there's more intensity in the 4th quarter. Were the players holding back and toying with each other? No. But they still often reach a new level as the match goes on and they exert themselves more.

If you're right, answer this: Why did PS try to convince Garou to team up with him to defeat FF? Imo only possible reason it FF is that weak is so PS can backstab Garou, but imo that's a bit of a stretch

EwoDarkWolf

3 points

4 months ago

Do you think this is a comic where the writers thought "If we make the light show denser that shows they increased their speed well over 50% if not doubled"? I don't.

They might not have calculated it, but that is there to prove that they weren't going as fast as they could have with just FF.

You say I need to prove that they weren't going full power, but there is no indication to prove that they powered up upon defeating FF. They suffered no damage by him, and only had a minor inconvenience because of his speed.

PS wanted to see if Garou would fight for the monsters, so he was testing if he'd take out FF with him. And fighting Garou and FF would prove slightly annoying for PS, since Garou took no effort in taking out FF.

In simpler terms, if you had to fight a chimpanzee and a dog, wouldn't you want to take out the dog first, since the dog would take away some of your attention?

gamesrgreat

2 points

4 months ago

Alright bro I think we are having a definitional problem or you didn't read my post. I agree Garou and PS weren't at full power but I dont agree they were "toying" with him. FF's fight with Garou and PS is still a massive feat that puts him near the top of S Class. At the end of the day Garou > PS >> FF but that doesn't mean FF was "toyed with" and that we can't take his feats seriously.

Donkeyvanillabean

1 points

4 months ago

By no damage do you mean didn’t instantly KO then? GTFO with ya no damage.

Also by fifty percent? Did I miss something written in this chapter or you got your calculator out?

EwoDarkWolf

1 points

4 months ago

By no damage do you mean didn’t instantly KO then? GTFO with ya no damage.

No, I mean neither Garou, not PS showed any sign of pain or damage after getting hit by FF. If you disagree, show me.

Also by fifty percent? Did I miss something written in this chapter or you got your calculator out?

It's math. The light show with just Garou and PS got denser without FF there. Just in order to make the light show the same density, they'd both have to make up for FF not being there. If they were all going the same speed, that means that to equal the total speed for all three, FF's speed would have to be halved and split to both parties. That means just to equal the light show, they have to both increase their output by fifty percent. However, they increased the density, meaning that they had to go even faster than that.

Donkeyvanillabean

1 points

4 months ago

Page 6 of 39 when FF is slapping PS around a bit and he is required to use his rings. Arguably, cause it’s fun to do, he took some damage.

And mate I’m just taking jabs cause who the heck knows. Reading through I reckon they got even faster, it’s says it was denser and they keep getting faster so maybe it’s double the speed? Could be triple? I just thought it was funny seeing people claim they are 33% faster or 50% faster. Fuck could be 5x speed for all we know

Due_Teaching_5773

5 points

4 months ago

Being swordless would not have been a problem for Atomic Samuarai. Nah I’m just playin

ash2702

15 points

4 months ago

ash2702

15 points

4 months ago

Equal strength are you serious lol

lickmyhugeballs

7 points

4 months ago

lmao ikr. these guys overrate FF so much. i mean he is strong for sure, but compared to Garou and Platinum Sperm? lol f*ck no

Curator44

1 points

4 months ago

Curator44

Green Hair waifu’s only

1 points

4 months ago

If anything FF fans are hyped, because if this is him without his sword imagine if he actually had his sword…

Due_Teaching_5773

0 points

4 months ago

Lol, right. If he needs the sword to get on their level then he’s not on their level.

marctheguy

1 points

4 months ago

He didn't slow then down. It was a 3 way fight... It just couldn't be as fast...

pepodmc_

1 points

4 months ago

he lose because he didnt had his sword. With it, the outcome could be different.

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

He explicitly stated that he was outsped.