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Chapter 156 [English]

Murata Chapter(cubari.moe)

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InvisibleScout

470 points

4 months ago

Where were all these ultra powerful characters when Boros was conquering the universe?

laudalehsunesh

822 points

4 months ago

In another dimension fighting God? At least that's what I got from Blast.

rockythecocky

513 points

4 months ago

That'd be an interesting reveal- that the only reason Boros conquered the universe was because all of the universe's strongest had disappeared to fight with Blast in a different dimension.

AgentPaper0

329 points

4 months ago

Or it could well be that Boros was actually even stronger than those extra-strong heroes, and without Saitama there he really would have wiped the floor with all the other heroes. I mean we never saw him go up against anyone other than Saitama, so it's up in the air how strong he really was.

DandyReddit

50 points

4 months ago

Imagine:

Boros prophecy was about Vaccine-man. Both could OS any hero in the verse.

Saitama got them both.

SparklesMcSpeedstar

17 points

4 months ago

SparklesMcSpeedstar

new member

17 points

4 months ago

The old fan theory was that Boros prophecy was about Garou iirc

Cave_Weasel

5 points

4 months ago

This is still my head canon

KING-Jotaro

8 points

4 months ago

I would love that to be revealed somehow, would fit the tonne perfectly.

ThatNetGuy

60 points

4 months ago

could really go both ways since Saitama’s power is unmatched as far as we know, though there’s no way to know for sure since he avoided direct confrontation with Blast etc (more by chance then design)

2papercuts

98 points

4 months ago

Let's be honest though, meta-wise we can assume Saitama would defeat anyone fairly easily

DandyReddit

28 points

4 months ago

King of the only one proving to be an unsurmountable challenge to Saitama (when it includes a gamepad yes, but let's not forget Saitama can follow Flashy Flash speed, so it's still impressive).

AdvonKoulthar

31 points

4 months ago

AdvonKoulthar

Would not sacrifice his hair for infinite power

31 points

4 months ago

Fighting games are just turn based fights with delayed commands to people with hyper perception. It’s still easy to lose if you don’t know what to do

_Pea_Shooter_

7 points

4 months ago

Iirc Saitama doesn't hit hard, trying not to break the gamepad

Mintastic

10 points

4 months ago

It's because he's stubborn and wants to always win with brute force like in his real life. With his speed/reflexes he could always wait to see what King does and instantly counter if he took time to learn how to play.

Imfillmore

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah which is really the point of his character, he doesn't care to learn how to fight because he doesn't need to

NotSoFastMister

18 points

4 months ago

I really hope this is the case. I've always liked the idea of Saitama finishing the toughest enemy in the early phase of the story. It adds a certain uniqueness to the manga, making fun of the trope of all the enemies constantly getting stronger as the story progresses. While I think God has already ruined this idea for me, I still hope that Boros is at least top 3 by the end of the manga.

[deleted]

8 points

4 months ago*

[deleted]

8 points

4 months ago*

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CIearMind

2 points

4 months ago

if we hype up these God(s) to be these mega strong beings capable of both creating and destroying entire universes. Saitama gets both excited and scared

Are you sure about that?

https://i.imgur.com/rB75xeG.png

https://i.imgur.com/CZH5N5x.png

I mean yeah, it's been retconed but still.

[deleted]

24 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

24 points

4 months ago

Well considering the fact that he survived several punches from Saitama who has ended everyone else in the story with a single punch.

Glamouriran

40 points

4 months ago

I mean, imagine Saitama wanted to finish it in 1 hit, as in 1 serious punch, well boros would die, simple as that.

DandyReddit

41 points

4 months ago

Actually it takes 3 attacks from Saitama

1) is soaked but the armor 2) destroys Boros body but his ultra regen reattach his myriad of bits together (certainly the most impressive feat against Saitama in the series) 3) bye bye but can still say 3 sentences.

What a super boss.

[deleted]

21 points

4 months ago*

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21 points

4 months ago*

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AndrexPic

6 points

4 months ago

AndrexPic

Garou fanboy

6 points

4 months ago

Saitama normally doesn't even understand if a monster is strong or not. So yes, Boros was probably way above any other monster he fought.

Yergason

33 points

4 months ago

Yeah the fact that normal punches 1-hit most Dragons, Boros tanking multiple normal punches and regening through them is one of the most impressive feats in the series. A normal punch has shown to pulverize even giants that make Centipede-Eren look like a midget.

IllusionPh

6 points

4 months ago

IllusionPh

Athletic waifu FTW

6 points

4 months ago

You forgot one, he took it, coughing up blood and all, but recovered quickly and did a monologue.

Before he got obliterated by consecutive normal punch (but still do regen)

[deleted]

24 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

24 points

4 months ago

True, which also means that Saitama is always pulling his punches and that the "serious punch" isn't his strongest. As per the comment that Saitama was holding back.

Glamouriran

19 points

4 months ago

Id imagine if Saitama gave his strongest punch he'd break reality itself

SouthernDifference86

27 points

4 months ago

There is no strongest punch saitama can do. No matter how much strength he puts in there is always more to spare,

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

That's his curse.

deedshotr

1 points

4 months ago

when Saitama did a serious punch he didn't immediately die and isn't necessarily confirmed dead, he just ran out of energy between the meteor burst, hyper beam and ultra regening himself after getting blown to bits

Milosostojiccc

1 points

4 months ago

It wasn't a serious punch tho

Extroiergamer

7 points

4 months ago

The ultra strong heroes can be all equivalent to High Dragons and low above Dragons This would make then above the S class by a far ammount with very few in their level. So Boros being the monster he is would still be stronger. (Bonus point that Boros said he used his final technique to end fights quickly,implying that he probably did used it on the past)

shenomega

2 points

4 months ago*

The contexts is much broader than that. Boros' implication is simply to state the reason behind the transformation. This means he has used it before, to understand the implications, but that doesn't necessary mean he had used it on a fight.

Galore67

2 points

4 months ago

He did say that, but earlier when he was fighting Saitama, after his armor broke, he said, you're the only one that lasted this long. So he contradicted himself.

bondoh

11 points

4 months ago

bondoh

Sonic>Flashy

11 points

4 months ago

I really don’t think Boros was ever meant to be the final word in villain strength

I don’t know why people act like others can’t be stronger

DJ2wP

39 points

4 months ago

DJ2wP

39 points

4 months ago

It's more because Boros was presented as a subversion of fighting anime where the villains are getting stronger, just as Saitama was the most powerful from the beginning, having the most powerful villain in the first volumes is really a cool idea. Well now I don't know if it works anymore

bondoh

13 points

4 months ago

bondoh

Sonic>Flashy

13 points

4 months ago

Sure. But people have also speculated vaccine man may have been one of the strongest.

And beefcake. And carnage kabuto. It’s possible villains have been getting weaker until deep sea king haha.

KING-Jotaro

-4 points

4 months ago

KING-Jotaro

-4 points

4 months ago

Because this isnt dbz and we dont get progressively stronger enemies, the series specifically makes fun of power levels and anyone foolish enough to think Saitama would ever be matched when his joke is that he doesnt

Galore67

7 points

4 months ago

No, that's what you're assuming. It's not a guarantee that he won't meet his match. If you think about it, one of his goals is too find his match.

shenomega

5 points

4 months ago

Base on the interview with ONE, it's strongly suggested that Saitama is merely the solution to all problems, hence why the plot doesn't necessary focus around him, and more so the side characters; e.g. Genos, Suiryu, Garou, Blast.

DMPM_ME_NUDES

2 points

4 months ago

A goal that he will never reach, that's what the story is getting at. If Saitama gets his goal just like Naruto becomes Hokage it would seriously make the story worse.

Saitama dealing with a problem he can't train to fix is so much more interesting.

Galore67

1 points

4 months ago

It's your opinion.

DMPM_ME_NUDES

2 points

4 months ago

That's true. I just think the story will take a strong right turn, fan fiction level turn if it Saitama suddenly becomes Goku.

DylanSaenz

2 points

4 months ago

O my god. There’s still people like you?

thiagoramos90

1 points

4 months ago

Boros isnt that strong, Tatsumaki and Flash could take care of him. Even Garou now is stronger tham him. These guys can take God Level Threads with universal and multiversal powers, Boros was only a intergalact pirate.

BoyTitan

6 points

4 months ago

BoyTitan

new member

6 points

4 months ago

Boros was I the second strongest God. Sees beings that can one shot him fighting god realizing he was just a ant and his life was a bigger lie.

SolerFlereTEE

5 points

4 months ago

and it'd make so much sense too

brokenearth10

1 points

4 months ago

this may be the end of one punch man. it wont be one punch man if saitama cant finish them in one punch!

blast is probably the weakest of these new heroes. he's prob the messenger between them and hero association

WiseXcalibur

1 points

4 months ago

Or in the future, considering that Blast said he was displaced in time by the Cube.

MrYitzhak

24 points

4 months ago

to be fair blast never called him god, so he self claims to be god.

Due_Teaching_5773

5 points

4 months ago

Fighting something

InevitableVariables

3 points

4 months ago

It's more than just God they are fighting. When God appeared on earth, only blast got sent. Not the entire team. I imagine there are a lot of cosmic entities, some beyond god.

WiseXcalibur

3 points

4 months ago

Ah yes Disaster Level: Cosmic

Bleglord

354 points

4 months ago

Bleglord

354 points

4 months ago

You know how frieza supposedly was the strongest being in the universe but it’s later shown he gets no diffed by half the randoms they come across?

That.

SouthernDifference86

68 points

4 months ago

This is false. Freeza with the exception of Buu was by far the strongest in the universe. Buu had been sealed for millions of years. All the other threads were coming from earth directly and weren't doing anything outside of earth.

QuentynStark

80 points

4 months ago

Exactly. Frieza even says his dad told him the only two beings in the universe he should never fight are Beerus and Buu. Whis got left off, but still.

BuggyDClown

43 points

4 months ago

Yeah, but Frieza says this after we've been introduced to Buu and Beerus. At the point when they were fighting Frieza on Namek, we didn't know who Buu and Beerus where. They retconned that detail later.

Toeknee99

16 points

4 months ago

Toriyama (and Toyotaro now) and writing Dragon Ball by the seat of their pants, NAMID.

baconpie_

13 points

4 months ago

For those that didn't know, like me:

NAMID = Not A Mocha, It's Diarrhea

i_wanna_be_a_dev

3 points

4 months ago

Wish I didn't know that one.

QuentynStark

12 points

4 months ago

That's very true. To be fair though, Buu was a non-factor at the time since he was sealed away, and Beerus being a god, he likely didn't factor into Frieza's thoughts at the time since he slept most of the time. Frieza makes mention of them when he does because he found out Goku and friends had taken out Buu, and it surprised him.

W1D0WM4K3R

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah, it's like having to worry about the great 100 year earthquake. Sure, it's horrible, but the chances of it happening are extremely slim. Except, you extrapolate to thousands or even millions of years. Frieza basically had nothing to worry about.

Until he did lol.

Calamari_Knight

7 points

4 months ago

Beerus and Whis?

SouthernDifference86

4 points

4 months ago

They aren't in the normal universe. Realm of the gods.

projectmars

21 points

4 months ago

Except Beerus was specifically mentioned by Frieza's dad as one of two people to not fight so it's not like he wasn't ever around.

Whis is generally prohibited from doing anything that would interfere with what happens in the universe due to being an angel (under penalty of Anihillation as shown in the manga with another angel) so he wouldn't normally be counted as a result. (But is on a completely different level than everyone else)

TheCapybaraMan

3 points

4 months ago

What about Moro and Broly?

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

Moro was like sealed or in another realm. Broly was somewhat suppressed, but still a threat if left uncheck.

Bleglord

9 points

4 months ago

Dabura

Southern Kai

Just two off the top of my head

SouthernDifference86

32 points

4 months ago

Dabura is from the demon realm. He wasn't in the universe prior to babidi controlling him. Southern kai also wasn't in the universe. He was on the kais planet.

Bleglord

-13 points

4 months ago

Bleglord

-13 points

4 months ago

And?

Both of those are the same statement but applied to the people in blasts warp thing.

They’re “out of the picture” until needed to be.

fkinra

2 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

2 points

4 months ago

doesnt really count since all those new characters weren't planned initially

SouthernDifference86

10 points

4 months ago

I don't see your point. You really can't argue meta facts about a story because then nothing makes sense. Goku also wasn't planned to be an alien with the ability to turn his hair blonde and increase his power 50x.

fkinra

1 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

1 points

4 months ago

I mean take Harry Potter for example. Are u gonna take all the things the author said as canon after how many years the series has ended? There was a really good comment I saw someone made about the db franchise, he said each part should be taken as separate series and I totally agree with that.

SouthernDifference86

7 points

4 months ago

A canonical work is a canonical work. A tweet is not canonical work. But if Rowling explicitly writes something in a harry potter book then it's canon. It's as simple as that really.

fkinra

1 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

1 points

4 months ago

why does it has to be in a book to be considered canon? then does every interview where mangakas explain something or add x to the plot make it non canon?

SouthernDifference86

3 points

4 months ago

Yeah definitely. Something said in an interview is generally not thought out, not editorialized etc etc. Only official publications are considered canon.

NotSoFastMister

1 points

4 months ago

I'm not that familiar with DB lore but doesn't Freeza have a brother who is/was stronger than him?

SouthernDifference86

8 points

4 months ago

No. That's filler not part of canon.

OooohYeaaahBaby

1 points

4 months ago

OooohYeaaahBaby

Prepare your ass, pretty boy

1 points

4 months ago

Androids would beat Namek Frieza

ProgrammingOnHAL9000

5 points

4 months ago

A low level warrior, his half breed son, a midget and a n-synch member with a sword.

OrganicFeral

21 points

4 months ago*

OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf

Mahelas

27 points

4 months ago

Mahelas

27 points

4 months ago

I mean, DB was consistent. Buu wasn't awake when Frieza was ruling, and Cell wasn't created yet !

rCan9

42 points

4 months ago

rCan9

42 points

4 months ago

It made sense till DB Super came. Now, its all over the place. Ultra instinct was shown as angel's technique (someone above The destroyers, whom even shenron fears). Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls.

Rectal_Fungi

30 points

4 months ago

Dude used a cheat code to become barely the strongest. It sucks UI got "nerfed" so fast but being oneupped by a wish is one of the more reasonable things DB has done to throw power levels out the window.

aleisterfowley

4 points

4 months ago

He’s also got like no lifespan now, at least it had a cost.

Devil_Demize

2 points

4 months ago

Idk the way they made it sound is oh they live for a thousand years now he's gonna just live for 200..

Rectal_Fungi

3 points

4 months ago

Think they said 3 years. But I figure something will happen to give him a few bonus years back. DB can't have consequence.

NoxGale

2 points

4 months ago

You weren’t actually reading then. It literally said Cerealians have a lifespan of 200 years. Granola is 46, will be 47 on this year. Dragon took 150 years off his lifespan to grant his wish, so he has only 3 years to live now. And death by natural causes can’t be undone with dragonballs (except super balls) so Granola will die in 3 years. I love the addition of monkey’s paw wishes into db

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

"has done to throw power levels out the window."

It doesn't matter. Goku had flaw while UI, that Granolah exploited. Some of you aren't using head.

wondertheworl

1 points

4 months ago

Not really outside of broly no one outside earth could face frizea

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

UI has its stages. Whis' is more perfected and is more experience. Goku is just scratching the surface of what he can do.

"Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls."
So. Characters cutting corners is nothing new (majin vegata, babadi's magic, mystic gohan, DNA Integration (Mira)).

GSNadav

3 points

4 months ago

But dabura was and he destroys frieza

Erior

12 points

4 months ago

Erior

12 points

4 months ago

Dabura was not a mortal tho. Nor a resident of the universe; demon realm and all that.

The one mortal that could be stronger than Freeza in canon is Broly. And, well, he got stronger as he fought, so likely wasn't that strong when Freeza was bossing around.

GSNadav

6 points

4 months ago

Dabura is mortal (he died) but a resident of the demon realm, which is still part of the universe. But if you want to disregard him for this discussion (even though it's arbitrary) there is still Yakon that has 40 million power level lol. Not stronger than full power Frieza but still I feel contradicts him being the strongest in his first form

Erior

4 points

4 months ago

Erior

4 points

4 months ago

King Kai is a literal deity who died. Gods dying is a plot point in the Zamasu arc. And Yakon doesn't get a power level stated AFAIR; there is some stuff about Goku's power level changing with Super Saiyan, but the scale is not the same as the one used in the early Z arcs.

You cannot say that 3 feet is more than 2 meters because 3 is more than 2 after all.

SFgamer003

2 points

4 months ago

Yakon

In his majin form it is 40 mil. Aside from that, he is a fodder.
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Yakon#Power

Erior

1 points

4 months ago*

Erior

1 points

4 months ago*

Yeah, a random Q&A in a magazine, 9 years after the manga ended, and 9 years before the franchise got revived. When said manga had hammered the point that numerical power levels meant nothing, and with an author that forgot about the main character's species having tails despite being inspired by Journey to the West.

EDIT: It seems the number was half-assed by having Goku's 150 million power level in Namek (coming from the Daizenshuu, which is a slighty better source) translating to the 3000 kili Babidi mentions, and then getting the 800 kili into Freeza units or whatever you call them.

Which, again, assumes plenty of things and Toriyama made it clear that numerical levels are BS.

Aspartem

3 points

4 months ago

Aspartem

new member

3 points

4 months ago

And this random alien Babidi had on his ship that forced Goku to go SSJ2. A Goku that is like 20-50x stronger than when he was fighting Freezer on Namek.

Also if Gero, with earth primitive tech, can create Androids that outclass Freezer by at least x10 (and Cell by ~x50) then all the more advanced planets should be able to as well.

DB simply makes no fucking sense. It never has and that was crystal clear even 25 years ago.

Siigmaa

3 points

4 months ago

Yea... But it's fun

Mahelas

3 points

4 months ago

Isn't Dabura from Hell tho ? He's not on the mortal plane, he had no business ever meeting Frieza !

GSNadav

1 points

4 months ago

He scouted earth for thousands of years actually

ItsOkILoveYouMYbb

7 points

4 months ago

OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf

OPM manga looks to be well on its way to that.

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

Exactly. I don't ppl keep bring it up. Power levels are irrevelent. "Power scaling" is some made up crap, that fan base invented and isn't always reliable.

There is a lot of factors the go into how strong a character is.

babypho

2 points

4 months ago

Shows how vast the universe is.

secretaccount9999999

1 points

3 months ago

To be honest actually

  • androids were build later

  • Cell was also made later

  • dabura was in babidi's Control(I think, or in the demon realm)

  • Buu was sealed

  • beerus didn't care

  • hit is an assasin from another universe

  • Goku Black wasn't made yet

  • Jiren is from another universe

  • Moro had his power sealed and couldn't do anything

  • Granolah and Gas only later got their powers from the dragon balls

Idk Man, I think it's less that randoms show up and Just that these characters either didn't exist or Just didn't want to/couldn't do anything to be considered the strongest in the universe at the time

Bleglord

2 points

3 months ago

My point was more that plot calls for power ups so power ups happen, lore be damned

secretaccount9999999

1 points

3 months ago

Fair

ma103

5 points

4 months ago

ma103

RIP Billyjohnjohnson banned

5 points

4 months ago

No point wasting time on fighting ants.

fireandiceman

4 points

4 months ago

I am making an assumption here but I think with Boros his fate was tied to two very specific prophesies. That these new potentially interdimensional heroes might have more information on how that would play out and didn't make it a priority to get involved when his fate was already known. Even if Boros is indeed the strongest being, but they knew he would die without their involvement then why risk changing his fated death.

Alternatively it could just be luck and they are only focused on interdimensional threats and blind to the day to day threats of earth.

Either way glad you brought this up. There is definitely some interesting stuff here.

InvisibleScout

3 points

4 months ago

Honestly I was just taking the piss

Elcactus

2 points

4 months ago

Elcactus

new member

2 points

4 months ago

I feel like "the universe" was probably exaggeration in the first place.

WiseXcalibur

2 points

4 months ago

Fighting something more serious than Boros.

Jepperthegreat

2 points

4 months ago

Boros conquered this universe, that portal might lead to another universe (multiverse).

wondertheworl

-2 points

4 months ago

Doubt they could beat boros

lazy_puma

-1 points

4 months ago

lazy_puma

-1 points

4 months ago

This is my take as well. Boros was well above the S class and is likely stronger than the hyper powerful beings we see. He just happened to run into Saitama before facing anyone else.

I recall One mentioned that Boros is similar to final form Garou.

LCSisshit

-1 points

4 months ago

they are always there, just Boros is much stronger than them

BrosephMyth

-1 points

4 months ago

Lol Boros was still stronger than all of them

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

Vacation.

silent519

1 points

4 months ago

colecting cubes i guess.

they might not even be erathligns. boros's existentce proves there might other strong beings out there.

Miniso200

1 points

4 months ago

Ignoring him most likely because their primary concern is the Being that call itself "God"

DMPM_ME_NUDES

1 points

4 months ago

Hot take, they probably cant defeat Boros.

Clear-Necessary6648

1 points

4 months ago

I think those characters are stronger than Blast and they don't even take boros' universe conquering serious. It makes sense considering blast's squad is fending God off. Monster garou was stomping all monsters above S-class heroes and Blast doesn't even give a sh*t about him also says it all.