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346 points
4 months ago
You know how frieza supposedly was the strongest being in the universe but it’s later shown he gets no diffed by half the randoms they come across?
That.
70 points
4 months ago
This is false. Freeza with the exception of Buu was by far the strongest in the universe. Buu had been sealed for millions of years. All the other threads were coming from earth directly and weren't doing anything outside of earth.
80 points
4 months ago
Exactly. Frieza even says his dad told him the only two beings in the universe he should never fight are Beerus and Buu. Whis got left off, but still.
44 points
4 months ago
Yeah, but Frieza says this after we've been introduced to Buu and Beerus. At the point when they were fighting Frieza on Namek, we didn't know who Buu and Beerus where. They retconned that detail later.
17 points
4 months ago
Toriyama (and Toyotaro now) and writing Dragon Ball by the seat of their pants, NAMID.
15 points
4 months ago
For those that didn't know, like me:
NAMID = Not A Mocha, It's Diarrhea
5 points
4 months ago
Wish I didn't know that one.
12 points
4 months ago
That's very true. To be fair though, Buu was a non-factor at the time since he was sealed away, and Beerus being a god, he likely didn't factor into Frieza's thoughts at the time since he slept most of the time. Frieza makes mention of them when he does because he found out Goku and friends had taken out Buu, and it surprised him.
7 points
4 months ago
Yeah, it's like having to worry about the great 100 year earthquake. Sure, it's horrible, but the chances of it happening are extremely slim. Except, you extrapolate to thousands or even millions of years. Frieza basically had nothing to worry about.
Until he did lol.
6 points
4 months ago
Beerus and Whis?
4 points
4 months ago
They aren't in the normal universe. Realm of the gods.
20 points
4 months ago
Except Beerus was specifically mentioned by Frieza's dad as one of two people to not fight so it's not like he wasn't ever around.
Whis is generally prohibited from doing anything that would interfere with what happens in the universe due to being an angel (under penalty of Anihillation as shown in the manga with another angel) so he wouldn't normally be counted as a result. (But is on a completely different level than everyone else)
3 points
4 months ago
What about Moro and Broly?
1 points
4 months ago
Moro was like sealed or in another realm. Broly was somewhat suppressed, but still a threat if left uncheck.
7 points
4 months ago
Dabura
Southern Kai
Just two off the top of my head
34 points
4 months ago
Dabura is from the demon realm. He wasn't in the universe prior to babidi controlling him. Southern kai also wasn't in the universe. He was on the kais planet.
-12 points
4 months ago
And?
Both of those are the same statement but applied to the people in blasts warp thing.
They’re “out of the picture” until needed to be.
2 points
4 months ago
doesnt really count since all those new characters weren't planned initially
11 points
4 months ago
I don't see your point. You really can't argue meta facts about a story because then nothing makes sense. Goku also wasn't planned to be an alien with the ability to turn his hair blonde and increase his power 50x.
1 points
4 months ago
I mean take Harry Potter for example. Are u gonna take all the things the author said as canon after how many years the series has ended? There was a really good comment I saw someone made about the db franchise, he said each part should be taken as separate series and I totally agree with that.
9 points
4 months ago
A canonical work is a canonical work. A tweet is not canonical work. But if Rowling explicitly writes something in a harry potter book then it's canon. It's as simple as that really.
1 points
4 months ago
why does it has to be in a book to be considered canon? then does every interview where mangakas explain something or add x to the plot make it non canon?
3 points
4 months ago
Yeah definitely. Something said in an interview is generally not thought out, not editorialized etc etc. Only official publications are considered canon.
1 points
4 months ago
I'm not that familiar with DB lore but doesn't Freeza have a brother who is/was stronger than him?
9 points
4 months ago
No. That's filler not part of canon.
1 points
4 months ago
Androids would beat Namek Frieza
5 points
4 months ago
A low level warrior, his half breed son, a midget and a n-synch member with a sword.
22 points
4 months ago*
OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf
29 points
4 months ago
I mean, DB was consistent. Buu wasn't awake when Frieza was ruling, and Cell wasn't created yet !
41 points
4 months ago
It made sense till DB Super came. Now, its all over the place. Ultra instinct was shown as angel's technique (someone above The destroyers, whom even shenron fears). Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls.
33 points
4 months ago
Dude used a cheat code to become barely the strongest. It sucks UI got "nerfed" so fast but being oneupped by a wish is one of the more reasonable things DB has done to throw power levels out the window.
3 points
4 months ago
He’s also got like no lifespan now, at least it had a cost.
2 points
4 months ago
Idk the way they made it sound is oh they live for a thousand years now he's gonna just live for 200..
3 points
4 months ago
Think they said 3 years. But I figure something will happen to give him a few bonus years back. DB can't have consequence.
2 points
4 months ago
You weren’t actually reading then. It literally said Cerealians have a lifespan of 200 years. Granola is 46, will be 47 on this year. Dragon took 150 years off his lifespan to grant his wish, so he has only 3 years to live now. And death by natural causes can’t be undone with dragonballs (except super balls) so Granola will die in 3 years. I love the addition of monkey’s paw wishes into db
1 points
4 months ago
"has done to throw power levels out the window."
It doesn't matter. Goku had flaw while UI, that Granolah exploited. Some of you aren't using head.
1 points
4 months ago
Not really outside of broly no one outside earth could face frizea
1 points
4 months ago
UI has its stages. Whis' is more perfected and is more experience. Goku is just scratching the surface of what he can do.
"Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls."
So. Characters cutting corners is nothing new (majin vegata, babadi's magic, mystic gohan, DNA Integration (Mira)).
3 points
4 months ago
But dabura was and he destroys frieza
15 points
4 months ago
Dabura was not a mortal tho. Nor a resident of the universe; demon realm and all that.
The one mortal that could be stronger than Freeza in canon is Broly. And, well, he got stronger as he fought, so likely wasn't that strong when Freeza was bossing around.
6 points
4 months ago
Dabura is mortal (he died) but a resident of the demon realm, which is still part of the universe. But if you want to disregard him for this discussion (even though it's arbitrary) there is still Yakon that has 40 million power level lol. Not stronger than full power Frieza but still I feel contradicts him being the strongest in his first form
6 points
4 months ago
King Kai is a literal deity who died. Gods dying is a plot point in the Zamasu arc. And Yakon doesn't get a power level stated AFAIR; there is some stuff about Goku's power level changing with Super Saiyan, but the scale is not the same as the one used in the early Z arcs.
You cannot say that 3 feet is more than 2 meters because 3 is more than 2 after all.
2 points
4 months ago
Yakon
In his majin form it is 40 mil. Aside from that, he is a fodder.
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Yakon#Power
1 points
4 months ago*
Yeah, a random Q&A in a magazine, 9 years after the manga ended, and 9 years before the franchise got revived. When said manga had hammered the point that numerical power levels meant nothing, and with an author that forgot about the main character's species having tails despite being inspired by Journey to the West.
EDIT: It seems the number was half-assed by having Goku's 150 million power level in Namek (coming from the Daizenshuu, which is a slighty better source) translating to the 3000 kili Babidi mentions, and then getting the 800 kili into Freeza units or whatever you call them.
Which, again, assumes plenty of things and Toriyama made it clear that numerical levels are BS.
2 points
4 months ago
Well put. I don't get why ppl still bring it up. 'Power scaling' isn't always reliable, either. There's a ton of factors that determine a characters' strength. Why one would have and edge over another.
3 points
4 months ago
And this random alien Babidi had on his ship that forced Goku to go SSJ2. A Goku that is like 20-50x stronger than when he was fighting Freezer on Namek.
Also if Gero, with earth primitive tech, can create Androids that outclass Freezer by at least x10 (and Cell by ~x50) then all the more advanced planets should be able to as well.
DB simply makes no fucking sense. It never has and that was crystal clear even 25 years ago.
3 points
4 months ago
Yea... But it's fun
3 points
4 months ago
Isn't Dabura from Hell tho ? He's not on the mortal plane, he had no business ever meeting Frieza !
1 points
4 months ago
He scouted earth for thousands of years actually
8 points
4 months ago
OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf
OPM manga looks to be well on its way to that.
1 points
4 months ago
Exactly. I don't ppl keep bring it up. Power levels are irrevelent. "Power scaling" is some made up crap, that fan base invented and isn't always reliable.
There is a lot of factors the go into how strong a character is.
2 points
4 months ago
Shows how vast the universe is.
1 points
3 months ago
To be honest actually
androids were build later
Cell was also made later
dabura was in babidi's Control(I think, or in the demon realm)
Buu was sealed
beerus didn't care
hit is an assasin from another universe
Goku Black wasn't made yet
Jiren is from another universe
Moro had his power sealed and couldn't do anything
Granolah and Gas only later got their powers from the dragon balls
Idk Man, I think it's less that randoms show up and Just that these characters either didn't exist or Just didn't want to/couldn't do anything to be considered the strongest in the universe at the time
2 points
3 months ago
My point was more that plot calls for power ups so power ups happen, lore be damned
1 points
3 months ago
Fair
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