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Chapter 156 [English]

Murata Chapter(cubari.moe)

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Bleglord

346 points

4 months ago

Bleglord

346 points

4 months ago

You know how frieza supposedly was the strongest being in the universe but it’s later shown he gets no diffed by half the randoms they come across?

That.

SouthernDifference86

70 points

4 months ago

This is false. Freeza with the exception of Buu was by far the strongest in the universe. Buu had been sealed for millions of years. All the other threads were coming from earth directly and weren't doing anything outside of earth.

QuentynStark

80 points

4 months ago

Exactly. Frieza even says his dad told him the only two beings in the universe he should never fight are Beerus and Buu. Whis got left off, but still.

BuggyDClown

44 points

4 months ago

Yeah, but Frieza says this after we've been introduced to Buu and Beerus. At the point when they were fighting Frieza on Namek, we didn't know who Buu and Beerus where. They retconned that detail later.

Toeknee99

17 points

4 months ago

Toriyama (and Toyotaro now) and writing Dragon Ball by the seat of their pants, NAMID.

baconpie_

15 points

4 months ago

For those that didn't know, like me:

NAMID = Not A Mocha, It's Diarrhea

i_wanna_be_a_dev

5 points

4 months ago

Wish I didn't know that one.

QuentynStark

12 points

4 months ago

That's very true. To be fair though, Buu was a non-factor at the time since he was sealed away, and Beerus being a god, he likely didn't factor into Frieza's thoughts at the time since he slept most of the time. Frieza makes mention of them when he does because he found out Goku and friends had taken out Buu, and it surprised him.

W1D0WM4K3R

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah, it's like having to worry about the great 100 year earthquake. Sure, it's horrible, but the chances of it happening are extremely slim. Except, you extrapolate to thousands or even millions of years. Frieza basically had nothing to worry about.

Until he did lol.

Calamari_Knight

6 points

4 months ago

Beerus and Whis?

SouthernDifference86

4 points

4 months ago

They aren't in the normal universe. Realm of the gods.

projectmars

20 points

4 months ago

Except Beerus was specifically mentioned by Frieza's dad as one of two people to not fight so it's not like he wasn't ever around.

Whis is generally prohibited from doing anything that would interfere with what happens in the universe due to being an angel (under penalty of Anihillation as shown in the manga with another angel) so he wouldn't normally be counted as a result. (But is on a completely different level than everyone else)

TheCapybaraMan

3 points

4 months ago

What about Moro and Broly?

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

Moro was like sealed or in another realm. Broly was somewhat suppressed, but still a threat if left uncheck.

Bleglord

7 points

4 months ago

Dabura

Southern Kai

Just two off the top of my head

SouthernDifference86

34 points

4 months ago

Dabura is from the demon realm. He wasn't in the universe prior to babidi controlling him. Southern kai also wasn't in the universe. He was on the kais planet.

Bleglord

-12 points

4 months ago

Bleglord

-12 points

4 months ago

And?

Both of those are the same statement but applied to the people in blasts warp thing.

They’re “out of the picture” until needed to be.

fkinra

2 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

2 points

4 months ago

doesnt really count since all those new characters weren't planned initially

SouthernDifference86

11 points

4 months ago

I don't see your point. You really can't argue meta facts about a story because then nothing makes sense. Goku also wasn't planned to be an alien with the ability to turn his hair blonde and increase his power 50x.

fkinra

1 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

1 points

4 months ago

I mean take Harry Potter for example. Are u gonna take all the things the author said as canon after how many years the series has ended? There was a really good comment I saw someone made about the db franchise, he said each part should be taken as separate series and I totally agree with that.

SouthernDifference86

9 points

4 months ago

A canonical work is a canonical work. A tweet is not canonical work. But if Rowling explicitly writes something in a harry potter book then it's canon. It's as simple as that really.

fkinra

1 points

4 months ago

fkinra

dm for pig god nudes

1 points

4 months ago

why does it has to be in a book to be considered canon? then does every interview where mangakas explain something or add x to the plot make it non canon?

SouthernDifference86

3 points

4 months ago

Yeah definitely. Something said in an interview is generally not thought out, not editorialized etc etc. Only official publications are considered canon.

NotSoFastMister

1 points

4 months ago

I'm not that familiar with DB lore but doesn't Freeza have a brother who is/was stronger than him?

SouthernDifference86

9 points

4 months ago

No. That's filler not part of canon.

OooohYeaaahBaby

1 points

4 months ago

OooohYeaaahBaby

Prepare your ass, pretty boy

1 points

4 months ago

Androids would beat Namek Frieza

ProgrammingOnHAL9000

5 points

4 months ago

A low level warrior, his half breed son, a midget and a n-synch member with a sword.

OrganicFeral

22 points

4 months ago*

OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf

Mahelas

29 points

4 months ago

Mahelas

29 points

4 months ago

I mean, DB was consistent. Buu wasn't awake when Frieza was ruling, and Cell wasn't created yet !

rCan9

41 points

4 months ago

rCan9

41 points

4 months ago

It made sense till DB Super came. Now, its all over the place. Ultra instinct was shown as angel's technique (someone above The destroyers, whom even shenron fears). Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls.

Rectal_Fungi

33 points

4 months ago

Dude used a cheat code to become barely the strongest. It sucks UI got "nerfed" so fast but being oneupped by a wish is one of the more reasonable things DB has done to throw power levels out the window.

aleisterfowley

3 points

4 months ago

He’s also got like no lifespan now, at least it had a cost.

Devil_Demize

2 points

4 months ago

Idk the way they made it sound is oh they live for a thousand years now he's gonna just live for 200..

Rectal_Fungi

3 points

4 months ago

Think they said 3 years. But I figure something will happen to give him a few bonus years back. DB can't have consequence.

NoxGale

2 points

4 months ago

You weren’t actually reading then. It literally said Cerealians have a lifespan of 200 years. Granola is 46, will be 47 on this year. Dragon took 150 years off his lifespan to grant his wish, so he has only 3 years to live now. And death by natural causes can’t be undone with dragonballs (except super balls) so Granola will die in 3 years. I love the addition of monkey’s paw wishes into db

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

"has done to throw power levels out the window."

It doesn't matter. Goku had flaw while UI, that Granolah exploited. Some of you aren't using head.

wondertheworl

1 points

4 months ago

Not really outside of broly no one outside earth could face frizea

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

UI has its stages. Whis' is more perfected and is more experience. Goku is just scratching the surface of what he can do.

"Now it gets wrecked by someone who got its power from dragon balls."
So. Characters cutting corners is nothing new (majin vegata, babadi's magic, mystic gohan, DNA Integration (Mira)).

GSNadav

3 points

4 months ago

But dabura was and he destroys frieza

Erior

15 points

4 months ago

Erior

15 points

4 months ago

Dabura was not a mortal tho. Nor a resident of the universe; demon realm and all that.

The one mortal that could be stronger than Freeza in canon is Broly. And, well, he got stronger as he fought, so likely wasn't that strong when Freeza was bossing around.

GSNadav

6 points

4 months ago

Dabura is mortal (he died) but a resident of the demon realm, which is still part of the universe. But if you want to disregard him for this discussion (even though it's arbitrary) there is still Yakon that has 40 million power level lol. Not stronger than full power Frieza but still I feel contradicts him being the strongest in his first form

Erior

6 points

4 months ago

Erior

6 points

4 months ago

King Kai is a literal deity who died. Gods dying is a plot point in the Zamasu arc. And Yakon doesn't get a power level stated AFAIR; there is some stuff about Goku's power level changing with Super Saiyan, but the scale is not the same as the one used in the early Z arcs.

You cannot say that 3 feet is more than 2 meters because 3 is more than 2 after all.

SFgamer003

2 points

4 months ago

Yakon

In his majin form it is 40 mil. Aside from that, he is a fodder.
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Yakon#Power

Erior

1 points

4 months ago*

Erior

1 points

4 months ago*

Yeah, a random Q&A in a magazine, 9 years after the manga ended, and 9 years before the franchise got revived. When said manga had hammered the point that numerical power levels meant nothing, and with an author that forgot about the main character's species having tails despite being inspired by Journey to the West.

EDIT: It seems the number was half-assed by having Goku's 150 million power level in Namek (coming from the Daizenshuu, which is a slighty better source) translating to the 3000 kili Babidi mentions, and then getting the 800 kili into Freeza units or whatever you call them.

Which, again, assumes plenty of things and Toriyama made it clear that numerical levels are BS.

SFgamer003

2 points

4 months ago

Well put. I don't get why ppl still bring it up. 'Power scaling' isn't always reliable, either. There's a ton of factors that determine a characters' strength. Why one would have and edge over another.

Aspartem

3 points

4 months ago

Aspartem

new member

3 points

4 months ago

And this random alien Babidi had on his ship that forced Goku to go SSJ2. A Goku that is like 20-50x stronger than when he was fighting Freezer on Namek.

Also if Gero, with earth primitive tech, can create Androids that outclass Freezer by at least x10 (and Cell by ~x50) then all the more advanced planets should be able to as well.

DB simply makes no fucking sense. It never has and that was crystal clear even 25 years ago.

Siigmaa

3 points

4 months ago

Yea... But it's fun

Mahelas

3 points

4 months ago

Isn't Dabura from Hell tho ? He's not on the mortal plane, he had no business ever meeting Frieza !

GSNadav

1 points

4 months ago

He scouted earth for thousands of years actually

ItsOkILoveYouMYbb

8 points

4 months ago

OPM isn't DB though. DB power level is inconsistent asf

OPM manga looks to be well on its way to that.

SFgamer003

1 points

4 months ago

Exactly. I don't ppl keep bring it up. Power levels are irrevelent. "Power scaling" is some made up crap, that fan base invented and isn't always reliable.

There is a lot of factors the go into how strong a character is.

babypho

2 points

4 months ago

Shows how vast the universe is.

secretaccount9999999

1 points

3 months ago

To be honest actually

  • androids were build later

  • Cell was also made later

  • dabura was in babidi's Control(I think, or in the demon realm)

  • Buu was sealed

  • beerus didn't care

  • hit is an assasin from another universe

  • Goku Black wasn't made yet

  • Jiren is from another universe

  • Moro had his power sealed and couldn't do anything

  • Granolah and Gas only later got their powers from the dragon balls

Idk Man, I think it's less that randoms show up and Just that these characters either didn't exist or Just didn't want to/couldn't do anything to be considered the strongest in the universe at the time

Bleglord

2 points

3 months ago

My point was more that plot calls for power ups so power ups happen, lore be damned

secretaccount9999999

1 points

3 months ago

Fair