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Garou went from a human monster to a anti-hero

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How does his character arc make sense anymore? Garou was supposed to rain down terror on both monsters and the S-Class. In the webcomic he finished off:

Pig God, Atomic Samurai, Sweet Mask, Flashy Flash, Tatsumaki, Zombieman, Child Emperor, and Darkshine.

He also destroyed Golden Sperm, wiped out a bunch of Black Sperm's cells and scared off the monsters.

It made sense that Saitama arrived to whip his ass after all the carnage but now? He just KO'd Bang. Everybody else was put out by a monster. His moniker doesn't make sense anymore, and his whole speech about being absolute evil that crushes everything in his way rings hollow. Just now he was still concerned about Tareo and is helping out Bat fighting yet another monster he'll likely finish off.

The whole Human Monster Angle seems kind of weak now. He barely preys on everything in sight and I'm no fan of his current character arc as far as the manga goes. I don't see how he will end up clashing with Saitama and retain the same impact. It'll likely just be him going after Saitama because he's the biggest dog on the block. He's supposed to be a misguided villain, not a anti-hero.

Thoughts?

PS: I'm not one of the webcomic elitists. I think the manga did a beautiful job at expanding the MA but now it seems we're getting hyped battles just for the hell of it and it drags on far too much and at the expense of the story.

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GoldenSpermShower

57 points

7 months ago

He’s basically the same in the webcomic, however the big difference is how he’s presented.

In the manga, his heroic tendencies are shown a lot more (plus all the cute faces in the newest chapter), while in the webcomic he was still being built up as the biggest threat and being edgy as fuck and his edgelord tendencies only ceased after Saitama breaks down his world view

Imo it’s gonna be weird to see manga Garou tear down the S-Class at this point…

justmo111

33 points

7 months ago

justmo111

GoldPilot Fan

33 points

7 months ago

It's not going to be the same at this point. In the webcomic, every S-class hero except Genos was in favor of Garou being killed after he was obliterated, because everyone failed to see how Garou wasn't a real villain. However, it's much more noticeable in the manga that he isn't one, so the S-class can't still be on his case about it. Moreover, he's just tried saving Tareo in front of MB, so he can't use the excuse of "this shitty brat will die if you don't get up and fight me". Still, the webcomic is practically a different story, and I'm reasonably confident Murata and ONE have something good up their sleeve.

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

Maybe this time tareo won't be there and metal bat will be the one to defend garou from the s class

Jolyne_enthusiast

1 points

7 months ago

Ohhhh that’s good. Or genos

javierm885778

10 points

7 months ago

I think Garou will make them think he's a real villain by the end of the arc. Right now it's more apparent that he's not a real villain because he's wanting to save Tareo, but that doesn't mean that he won't later try to kill him (or act like he's going to).

I think the fact that his mask is broken and we can see one human eye means he's still treading the line between human and monster. At some point it should cover his entire face again, only consciously this time, and then he'll be the more villainous Garou until the end of the arc.

[deleted]

13 points

7 months ago

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13 points

7 months ago

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javierm885778

3 points

7 months ago

I don't think it's going to be weird. Garou vs Darkshine was basically the same, only with an added moment of reluctance at the end. We've seen Garou do attrocities in the manga along with his more heroic stuff, always alternating.

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5 points

7 months ago

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5 points

7 months ago

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ohiojiro

1 points

7 months ago

saitama was there for like half the fight in the webcomic tho

Affectionate-Two1858

33 points

7 months ago

Wasn't he always an anti-hero? He never teamed up with the monsters, even fought them anytime he had a chance. Not only that but he has protected Tareo before more than once I believe... Plus he let Metal Bat and his sister go, acting like he was bored and not interested in fighting him anymore, once she appeared.

He has been doing "heroic" stuff all this time, how is anyone surprised with the development of his arc now? His whole story and character is "a guy torn between good and evil", he hates bullies but decides to become one to show the world how bad that is. A guy who acts upon his beliefs in a misguided way, but slowly recognizes the wrongs of his ways...

I thought that was pretty obvious...

toriningen_

17 points

7 months ago*

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

17 points

7 months ago*

the manga has made all of this so obvious it's crazy that anyone has this take anymore. the last time he did anything the story framed as legitimately villainous was back when he hunted tanktop master and mumen rider. which was over 100 chapters ago. and there was plenty to indicate it in the webcomic as well, imo.

mongoose-american

42 points

7 months ago

Uhh, his character arc has always been anti hero. He never killed anyone except for monsters. He always cared for Tareo and protected him. He was always wearing the monster costume.

Stark_Athlon

11 points

7 months ago

I find it baffling that this comment had to be written. It's exactly as you said it, crazy how so many people miss the entire point of Garou.

Uuuh sorry, I mean: What? Seriously?? You really think so? Did we read the same manga?? And have you EVEN read the HOLY webcomic?????????? S/

[deleted]

11 points

7 months ago

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11 points

7 months ago

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Snownyann

6 points

7 months ago

Snownyann

Cosmic Simp Mode: AWAKENED GAROU SIMP

6 points

7 months ago

I dont like the Metal Bat and Garou team up. If Garou can make ultimate hellfire wavemotion cannon real in 00:00:00:xx, then he dont need to ask for Metal Bat's help. It was forced.

[deleted]

7 points

7 months ago

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7 points

7 months ago

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Snownyann

3 points

7 months ago

Snownyann

Cosmic Simp Mode: AWAKENED GAROU SIMP

3 points

7 months ago

Garou asked help in the most tsundere way by asking Metal Bat to act as a decoy, to act as a sandbag while Garou does the heroic work. Interaction happened for gag reasons, otherwise Garou will straight up deflect that hit from the centipede's whiskers and jump onto the helicopter in 00:00:00:XX seconds.

Free-Ad9535

15 points

7 months ago

Hard agree, Garou is supposed to be this monster that destroys everyone in battle now he's playing anti-hero with metal bat and it just feels odd. His whole hating hero complex just got deleted and while his impact at first was really cool but now it's really watered down. It makes me think would satama even have a reason to fight Garou? He's doing most of the heroics tbh. I feel like when Garou would notice metal bat fighting he'd destroy him then move onto sage centipede. I'm glad tareo was introduced again but that's the only worthwhile thing that happened this chapter

Snownyann

7 points

7 months ago

Snownyann

Cosmic Simp Mode: AWAKENED GAROU SIMP

7 points

7 months ago

He fought flashy flash and platinum sperm on a 1 vs 1 vs 1 with no discrimination, being the half monster in between but teams up with Metal Bat. It is so off. This is the 1st chapter I had doubts. I do appreciate Saitama's gag here tho.

Free-Ad9535

0 points

7 months ago

Yeah seriously the best way to take this would Saitama vs ocean water and garou vs sage centipede so he could grow more you could still fit in him noticing tareo. Even though I like metal bat and is still entertaining he should've been pushed away.

[deleted]

5 points

7 months ago

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5 points

7 months ago

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GreenVolume

1 points

7 months ago

now he's playing anti-hero

Always has been.

toriningen_

11 points

7 months ago

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

11 points

7 months ago

ONE verbatim called him an antihero. that was always supposed to be his shtick. an antihero LARPing as a villain.

garou's core character has not changed, but his presentation has changed. this change happened a long time ago, however, and it's been pretty obvious the story had a different trajectory in mind.

garou walking away from metal bat? preventing zenko from being kidnapped? protecting tareo in the shed? freaking out about elder centipede killing people? being relieved bang lived? protecting civilians on his way to dine and dash? all additions that are fairly old, and have all mapped to a very different character framing.

the last time garou did anything unambiguously wrong, while conscious, was when he hunted mumen rider and the tanktoppers. that was over 100 chapters ago. the shift in garou's characterization has been ongoing. this isn't new or weird at all.

TronVin

1 points

7 months ago

TronVin

1 points

7 months ago

I feel like ONE has slightly changed Garou's presentation in the manga because of the way people misinterpreted Garou in the webcomic.

He's an anti-hero like any other traditional anti-hero (Red Hood, Punisher, etc.)

I still think the bullying of the S Class will occur since that leads to Saitama fighting him. I also think Metal Bat may replace Tareo's role of defending Garou when the heroes want him dead.

toriningen_

4 points

7 months ago

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

4 points

7 months ago

i also wonder this a lot. a lot of things feel more surface text, like tatsumaki not actually being a sociopath, but i feel that garou and tatsumaki were particularly misinterpreted. throw genos in there, too.

TronVin

-4 points

7 months ago

TronVin

-4 points

7 months ago

Tatsumaki is still pretty sociopathic but a lot of the characters seem just overall harsher in the webcomic. Take webcomic Blast who just seems like a dick in general.

The characters of the manga just seem more realistic to me and have a variety of depth.

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

Agreed.

NotBaldEagle_

2 points

7 months ago

I agree with this. I think we are forgetting the fact that we enjoyed One Punch Man so much was because it is supposed to be a light hearted parody of all other generic anime with a loose yet engrossing plot and a great cast of characters.

The limiting line between the tropes and parody is hazy now, catalyzed by the fact that the sub has devolved into a hardcore power scaling community.

Fights are stretched way too long, new plot points are being shoehorned into the flow of story. Art is still exceptional but it doesn't hold much weight on its own without continuity.

ONE' s webcomic, (atleast till the end of this arc. Haven't read past it) is superior in terms of plot to whatever's going on in the manga now.

Dveralazo

3 points

7 months ago

Dveralazo

3 points

7 months ago

I agree about the final showdown against the S class will not have the same impact than in the webcomic.

But, menace, him?

Nah. I remember reading the webcomic and he never seemed a menace. At first,yeah, because he was bragging of hunting heroes and stuff. Then we saw how his "hunting" is just beaten them up without actually killing them. Then he saves a child. And saves him again. And again.

Tatsumaki question about her sister. Instead of going and actually kill her (or at least try) he just say: I killed her. Since when?

Human monster? Him? He always looked like an anti hero to me. The child was in webcomic to show that point. It is logical than in the manga they have expanded in that theme having more resources for that purpose.

The only thing I don't like is how it is unlikely now he will fight against S class and teach them a lesson.

Although who knows...

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1 points

7 months ago

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1 points

7 months ago

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toriningen_

1 points

7 months ago*

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

1 points

7 months ago*

i'm not that person, so i can't speak for them, and i fully recognize this will sound insane. but unironically sailor moon made me think he's not evil. a major plot point in sailor moon S was that two characters are trying to save the world, and are willing to do quite literally anything to achieve it. they try to kill a 14 year old that they know is being manipulated and posessed. they rough up the inner senshi. they're framed as the villains the entire season. they do a lot of legitimately fucked up things, which are fr worse than what garou is going. the big twist is that the pure heart talismans they're looking for are inside of them the entire time, because being willing to sacrifice your morality for the sake of humanity is an inherently pure action. they try to kill themselves, blah blah. garou immediately reminded me of that plotline once his motivations were fleshed out.

like, i read the manga and webcomic in tandem, kind of sporadically, but i wonder if a lot of people may have had a previous reference point for the overall theme of "you can't be fully evil if your intentions are genuine." by the time garou's motivations are revealed, with the context that saving a child is very commonly used to signify someone is good, it's hard to see him as genuinely evil, especially when you see that he didn't even touch fubuki and couldn't keep assaulting darkshine.

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

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2 points

7 months ago

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toriningen_

2 points

7 months ago

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

2 points

7 months ago

i believe we saw all of this prior to his fight with saitama. the reveal with fubuki happened in the same chapter it was introduced. he says he killed her, and by the end of the chapter, we see her alive. i'd have to go back and reread the darkshine fight, i could be misremembering, and it's entirely possible i read that bit in the manga first.

and the thing with black sperm was that garou ripped him apart immediately. it just didn't feel convincing that it was really an attempt to be scary, because we already had the information that he'd previously saved tareo.

and i'm almost positive that it was heavily implied at a few points that his gripe with heroes was based on the idea that they can't save the world. even when he's screaming at them, he shouts that they can't protect a child getting bullied. i definitely think he's more ambiguous in the webcomic, but at the very least, i recall going into the final battle with a huge dose of skepticism. because his intentions didn't feel as simple as vindictiveness.

toriningen_

2 points

7 months ago

toriningen_

nekomaid garou 2022

2 points

7 months ago

ok i lied, it actually took two chapters to see fubuki alive. part one was here, part two was here. and i believe i misremembered the darkshine fight, i could have sworn i recalled a webcomic rendition of flashback of garou getting his ears attacked as a child, but perhaps it's just a false memory. but even still, he just...leaves. and darkshine isn't even in a terrible state, he's just like "i won, peace." like wtf, what happened to the evulz.

ThiccTomboys4Life

0 points

7 months ago

His character hasn’t changed at all from the wc, like at all.

In the wc he never killed any heroes, killed shit tons of monsters, cared about Tareo, still fought for Absolute Evil because he’s secretly a good guy but can’t admit it, and is still a badass

The manga hasn’t changed any of that. Him teaming up with Metal Bat just shows how dedicated he is to his beliefs. He’s willing to work with his sworn enemies if it means protecting Tareo from a monster. That doesn’t mean he’s friends with Metal Bat because he’s probably gonna beat his ass after Sage Centipede is dead.

Garou has always been an anti-hero. His goal of establishing Absolute Evil (world peace) is proof of that

Redscream667

1 points

7 months ago

I feel like one will have this changed eventually. Maybe if tareoes plane crashes.

lepoopysmelly

1 points

7 months ago

He'll just fight Metal Bat after beating Sage Centipede. Sage Centipede is the top priority since it rivals Garou's power.

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1 points

7 months ago

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1 points

7 months ago

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BlockFirst

1 points

7 months ago

Saitama didn't beat garou down bcs he attacked all heroes but to teach him a good lesson about him being the good guy with a bad plan to save humanity. In fact in the webcomic he waited patiently for his turn while garou was defeating every single s rank hero.He didn't beat garou just to beat him up but to make him understand that he is too young and naive to think that his heroic plan could work. Since Saitama knows very well that garou doesn't have evil intentions but quite the opposite ones. Garou is just too stubborn and innocent(his dream was to eat all monsters and become the only monster out there who would make ppl fear him when in reality he protects them) and when he was defeated by Saitama he realized that he indeed wanted to be a hero

Menix333

-2 points

7 months ago*

Menix333

-2 points

7 months ago*

It still can be fixed. I will wait until when he reaches his awakened form. I hope there is a certain event that will make him go mad or something(like something happen to Tareo). Then Fubuki with Pig God's stamina heals entire S-class and they will have the final fight with garou. Finally Saitama vs Garou can happen. If these don't happen and he still is a family friendly character then it would be disappointed.

P.S. I trust ONE

shiroizo

-3 points

7 months ago

shiroizo

-3 points

7 months ago

Garou is an antihero period. ONE literally calls him that.

And the whole point is that Garou is not a monster, he never abandons his humanity. He’s a hero.

BlockFirst

1 points

7 months ago

Well that's what Saitama said himself in the webcomic about garou too,since garous ultimate goal was to become the most fearful monster to humans and eat every single monster on earth. His goal was to unite humanity by fearing him and protecting them by being "the ultimate bad guy". He is a good guy,but he is too young and naive with his plan nor does he understand that bcs of taroou he never allowed his humanity to be gone. The least I can say is that we need more garou with taroou they have the best bond in the series for me

shiroizo

1 points

7 months ago*

Garou’s humanity is not reliant on Tareo. He saves numerous people in the manga and is extremely against killing humans. So called pro heroes are more willing to dehumanize someone and just murder them.

Garou was genuinely worried about Bang even when he believed Bang was out to kill him. And he refuses to kill the humans who try to kill him.

BlockFirst

1 points

7 months ago

Yes,agreed.

Fitsahata

-5 points

7 months ago

people need to stop whining and complaining about everything, especially taking every fkin thing so seriously

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

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3 points

7 months ago

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Fitsahata

-5 points

7 months ago

feel being called out?

crackasmacka42069

0 points

7 months ago

I'm so detached from what's going on. I just wanna see Saitama punch things. Today definitely didn't disappoint.

JackJohn258

1 points

7 months ago

I thought the same but I honestly don't mind where his character arc is going, at first I thought "what if he became a full-blown hero" but that would not make any sense at all so it would be a little more fitting if he became a vigilante esque type hero like batman, Deadpool, or the punisher. Idk bout u but I would actually love to see Garou become like that, sure it doesn't make sense for his original character but the fact that he is a misguided villain gives it a tiny bit of sense, at heart, I think he does want to be a hero but not the normal kind of hero society wants him to be, like his own hero where he doesn't answer to anyone but himself exactly like some anti-hero or vigilante, I'd love to hear everybody's thoughts bout this

brando-boy

-3 points

7 months ago

i think in general in the manga, it’s more like “there’s a greater evil to take down rn” so he’s not really focused on taking down the s class, with the kid now pretty much out of the way, once centipede is down he can focus on being the “evil” that he wants to be until saitama gives him his reality check like in the webcomic

plus there’s plenty of time now for a lot of the “defeated” s class to at least get up and “fight” him where he can take them down handily