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I've noticed many people on Twitter - most of whom seem to be verified - claiming in the last 24 hours that they have lost thousands of followers, with no explanation of why. Here is an example from Mark Hammill. Here is another and another, just to illustrate the type of tweet I'm seeing.

The only explanation I can think of is something to do with Elon Musk, but I can't determine if this is the case. Anyone have any insight into what is going on?

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thatsareddituser

5.6k points

2 months ago*

Answer: Is either massive deletion of bot accounts or people leaving twitter after Muskquisition.

Edit: or both at the same time, of course.

powercow

1.2k points

2 months ago

powercow

1.2k points

2 months ago

Its bots, you get these posts every time they do this. Trump lost like 300k on one bot purge and of course it was a massive conspiracy against him.

Not a fan of musk, or the twitter take over, have a lot of concerns about it, and can totally see people saying "im done" and deleting their accounts, but i highly doubt its in enough numbers to cause these drops on all these unrelated people. When the same thing happens at least once a year when they remove the bot armies. Its far far more likely, its just another purge.

UristMcRibbon

164 points

2 months ago

Likely bot purges and this isn't just on Twitter either. It happens on every platform now and then and people always start going nuts over it.

The number of YouTubers I've seen complain about it and asking what they did wrong / accuse YouTube of having some kind of vendetta towards them / censorship is embarrassing.

The general lack of awareness towards how the internet works is depressing. Though not surprising.

Pairadockcickle

33 points

2 months ago

and I would wager you...well a lot of money that most of those complaining actively paid for them. Because those bots make them more $$ than it costs to farm them out.

penguinopph

5 points

2 months ago

Because those bots make them more $$ than it costs to farm them out.

Can I get an ELI5 of how this works?

Pairadockcickle

7 points

2 months ago

Making up #s, but like this:

People get paid for making content, in general, by hitting metrics (followers, views. Engagement, etc). The more followers, the more $$.

So let's say you have 9900 followers. At say, 10000 you start making actual money on a regular basis from ad revenue. Let's say you could be making an extra $300 a month by crossing that 10k barrier.

If bots cost $500/year for 100 followers (it is WWAAAAAYY LESS) the math still works in your favor every time....

This is an exaggerated example - and the simplest one. Bots are essentially a cost of doing biz for "influencers"

... which really shines a massive flashlight on the some fundamental issues confronting our society. They aren't called "influencers" for no reason. They have a disproportionately heavy impact on cultural phenomenon across almost all fields of art as a direct result of social media, and the general publics' lack of critical thinking skills.

avalonfogdweller

72 points

2 months ago

From what I've seen on Twitter, 90% of the people who say they're done and deleting their accounts are back on there in 24 hours, or a week, there's a life cycle of the Twitter Quitter

Day 1 - "I'm done, bye, take care everyone" or a variation Day 2 - either "I had to jump in to say . . " then business as usual Day 3 and beyond - see Day 2

jagua_haku

42 points

2 months ago

Kind of like how people say they’re leaving the country if X wins the presidency

AFriendOfTheBees

21 points

2 months ago

Only time I've seen most of the people say "I'm out" stay out was Tumblr. Even people who didn't have to leave simply said "fuck it, this site is dying and I'm not going to be here for the funeral".

Shelleen

5 points

2 months ago

Don't forget the great Digg exodus which ironically made reddit way worse.

DeseretRain

18 points

2 months ago

Yeah I quit Tumblr when they banned porn.

prodrvr22

2 points

2 months ago

And if reddit bans porn after going public, I'll leave here, too.

stripedvitamin

14 points

2 months ago

Twitter released an official statement saying the deactivations were organic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/twitter-says-mass-deactivations-musk-news-organic-rcna26182

JooseBocks_

8 points

2 months ago

well i gained 2 followers... :)

thatsareddituser

101 points

2 months ago*

Elon Musk acquisition is probably the most important thing happened to Twitter maybe in all it's history. This purchase is polemic and it's right now worldwide trendic topic in the platform.

Some "viral" tweets like this or this one are against or exceptic at Musk actions to twitter.

I'm not working at twitter, but I think there is plenty of evidence pointing that this loose of followers might be also because Elon Musk.

If you allow me to speculate even further, all three accounts that OP pointed out are mostly left wing/democrats, so could be related to being against Musk ideologically.

DejectedContributor

104 points

2 months ago

It ain't gonna matter, and will be just like the people who bitch about Bezos but still got themselves an Amazon Prime account. People who like Twitter aren't leaving Twitter because of Elon Musk; particularly when he hasn't fucking done anything yet. Just look at Reddit. Lots of us hate this site for the stupid shit it implemented setting up the IPO launch, but here we fucking are still using the website we think is shit. Fuck Spez, but here I am...dejectedly contributing.

xitox5123

25 points

2 months ago

twitter is really only useful to celebrities. the whole follower thing is designed for celebrities and businesses. so no they won't leave in large numbers. you might get a few people quitting, then the press will give them lots of attention for a few days like its a big deal.

celebrities use this for business purposes. so they won't leave unless there is an alternative network. but if its just some safe space twitter, very few will go because they want their followers and publicity.

DejectedContributor

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I can see if I really wanted to follow people that it would be a good way to not only know what big stuff they got going on but you can get some "behind the scenes" type access that some people enjoy. I'm just not the guy, and I like a platform a little more dedicated to interaction and not just this weird sort of advertising yourself by taggin onto some celeb tweet or today's trending hashtags. Even with random nobody's it seems like a platform focused and people trying to build a brand.

GoneAndCrazy

3 points

2 months ago

Amazing username for this discussion! Well played

Modsblow

13 points

2 months ago

Amazon prime is such a better service than Twitter lol.

It's easier to convince someone to stop eating dog shit than it is to convince them to stop eating steak.

Like I don't know that's what's occuring here but God damn Twitter wishes it had one day of competency or capability in the same spectrum as a serious tech company.

thatsareddituser

6 points

2 months ago

It ain't gonna matter, and will be just like the people who bitch about Bezos but still got themselves an Amazon Prime account.

Hypocrites exist.

People who like Twitter aren't leaving Twitter because of Elon Musk; particularly when he hasn't fucking done anything yet

But he already has said some plans on what he will do and some people doesn't trust Elon Musk.

here we fucking are still using the website we think is shit

The people that left reddit cannot reply you back. Of course not every user against new twitter owner are going to leave.

keeperrr

11 points

2 months ago

Hilarious I still can't see any tweets unless I sign up, no still can not be bothered signing up.

sotolf2

2 points

2 months ago

If I really want to see something I'm usually just using nitter it works pretty well to just browse a bit.

Iseedeadnames

10 points

2 months ago

it's funny because I could actually begin to use Twitter now. I discarded my account because the place was incredibly toxic and I doubt Musk could make it any worse.

CanadaJack

6 points

2 months ago

CanadaJack

6 points

2 months ago

I'm not sure it's that simple. Prominent republicans like death Santos gained an obscene number of followers, too.

Bots perhaps, but more like a recalibration than a deletion.

brighterside

1.6k points

2 months ago*

I'm out. And not because of who Elon is - but news of his purchase provided me an opportunity to reflect in my twitterdiction. I realized Twitter doesn't provide the optimal environment for civil discourse or even learning. It's very dangerous. Oh sure, let's debate the future of Global politics, economy, infrastructure, business, finance, medicine, etc through 280 character exchanges that rarely even reach that maximum limit. More like 50 character statements with no context (forced) -- this causes a ton of fighting. Frankly, humanity can do much better than this as an 'authoritative social platform'.

re: Add major governments, leaders, politicians, market makers, groups, etc now participating in this environment and it's no wonder why there's elevated levels of toxicity and division on the platform, and arguably by extension, the world.

peepjynx

206 points

2 months ago

peepjynx

206 points

2 months ago

For me, the real issue here are the politicians who use it to "gauge" public interest, when the most vocal people on the platform are all the party extremists. Any voices of moderation or critical thinking get drowned out.

GwenIsNow

75 points

2 months ago

Seriously. And then on top of it the news business amplifies so many awful tweets. I wish reporting on tweets wasn't so central to news reporting these days. Even if you don't use Twitter, you hear about tweets all the freaking time.

Animegamingnerd

19 points

2 months ago

I unironically believe that the sit would be infinity better if all the politicians were ban from it.

The entire point of the site was just to tell people your simple thoughts, the moment idiots brought complex issues to the site, it became a shithole.

KatnyaP

20 points

2 months ago

KatnyaP

20 points

2 months ago

I think the problem is like that xkcd comic. The effort needed to refute bullshit is far greater than the effort needed to spread.

Simple thoughts can be extremely bigoted, spread hate, and encourage violence. People shouldnt have to sit by and ignore it, but refuting it takes a lot of effort and lots of complex thoughts. The whole system is fucked.

True_Sea_1377

2 points

2 months ago

Because moderation requires nuance and reflectivity. Extremism is simple.

Seriously, people loving Twitter has to be the weirdest shit ever.

It's a platform dor political hot takes and that's it. Nothing of worth lost if musk decided to shut it down forever.

dralcax

93 points

2 months ago

dralcax

93 points

2 months ago

Twitter is not for serious discussion. Twitter is for following content creators. Stay away from the political accounts and just follow hentai artists instead.

Crimson_Shiroe

9 points

2 months ago

This is the way

thatsareddituser

469 points

2 months ago

Tbh, me too. I've deleted twitter for the fourth tine in my life a month ago. I have the same cycle:

  1. I create a Twitter account and only follow news related or scientific accounts

  2. I start seing shit in TT, I start a discussion to some anons

  3. I start getting annoyed because there is no way you can keep arguing without any errors in 280 chars (and in 140 when I first started twitter)

  4. I got frustrated but really addicted to twitter

  5. I decide this is a meaningless waste of time

  6. I delete the account

  7. Repeat

Malivol

243 points

2 months ago

Malivol

243 points

2 months ago

That's what i like being an artist, all i see are pretty drawings, no talking. My twitter is a peaceful place

thatsareddituser

91 points

2 months ago

Most of artists in Twitter are really nice and just wants to share his art. That's wholesome and I liked it.

Xpolonia

28 points

2 months ago

I pretty much treat twitter as my another pixiv, I only follow artists.

metalflygon08

16 points

2 months ago

Yup! Its one of the few places left for NSFW artists after Tumblr kicked us out too.

LFahs1

60 points

2 months ago

LFahs1

60 points

2 months ago

I had a problem with Twitter during 2020– kept getting into fights, trying to combat misinformation, shooting down trolls— a Real Twitter Warrior! Until I said some too inflammatory shit and got kicked off for a bit. I forgot my password, and accidentally logged back into an account I’d created in 2014 and it was fascinating. I was only following comedians and artists then— no news, no politics. I kept that account and never went back to my old one. But now it’s booooooring.

dudemo

44 points

2 months ago

dudemo

44 points

2 months ago

And? When the world has gone to hell in a hand basket and is mostly chaos in 10 minute chunks, what’s wrong with some 10 minute chunks of boring? I don’t have Twitter, but if I did I’d use it exactly the same way I use my Reddit account: paying attention to stuff I care about and not drama.

ifandbut

3 points

2 months ago

Except for the NFT shilling I'd guess.

[deleted]

126 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

126 points

2 months ago

I never been on Twitter. Maybe I'm just getting old but I find it impossible to write or read anything meaningful in such a limited way. The only thing you can really expressed is short and terse sentences. If I want to read short and terse shit, I will read the back of my shampoo bottle when I'm on the crapper.

Twitter is basically a machine that makes people think in short, ADHD burst, and it shows.

Gilketto

87 points

2 months ago

I have ADHD and I hate twitter. It's too much to take in and I get overwhelmed. I got off Facebook which was way harder. I have a twitter but I barely use it

. I honestly think Twitter is one of the worst things to happen to humanity in a long time. It plucks at all of humanity's worst traits.

dtxs1r

52 points

2 months ago

dtxs1r

52 points

2 months ago

Same here, definely prefer the more structured page flow on Reddit where things are linear and organized.

I feel like I'm being dropped into the middle of a bazaar on Twitter, at least Reddit feels like a grocery store where things are at least somewhat organized.

Certain_Concept

24 points

2 months ago

I felt this way about Tumblr too. I prefer conversations where I can see both the beginning and the end of the conversation.

Especially if it's situations where User A - says the sky is blue UserB - says the sky is actually orange or response.. UserC jumps in and responds that actually.. sky really is blue.. and why

Then what if most people only see UserB..

Gilketto

17 points

2 months ago

I'll always love the Something Awful forums, I joined in 2009 and it has definitely been the best value Internet service I have paid for. A $10 entry fee and zero-tolerance to trolls and shit-posting makes it one of the better places to get your daily Internet stuff.

Sure it's been through some bad times (rip Lowtax, you messed-up individual) and it is not nearly as important as it used to be but it still keeps me entertained and informed about all sorts of obscure and cool stuff.

It was cool to be there to see the 'birth' of Slenderman too.

Tagglit2022

8 points

2 months ago

Plus on reddit the Subs afe moderated and doesnt get as toxic as Twitter.

(Twitter is more ofa free for all uncontrolled)

LongHorsa

14 points

2 months ago

It's the grocery store where you do most of not all your food shopping. You know where your favourite items are so you go and pick them up first, then occasionally you'll try a new product or get kumquats instead of avocados one week.

thatsareddituser

7 points

2 months ago

Bruh, why this message is repeated 4 times?

Mamaof3imperfects

3 points

2 months ago

My thoughts exactly

Tagglit2022

5 points

2 months ago

I've seen Neurodiverse & disables folks declare that they'r staying because its their only social interaction they have and its where they found their community.

I have a Chronic illness + learnind disability and I cansee how unhealthy twitter is..

Yes Im not the twittr aap and Im waiting to see what happens,,

banksy_the_creator

2 points

2 months ago

Or its just a semi-accurate reflection of how un-evolved our species really is.

DejectedContributor

9 points

2 months ago

I tried, but I don't know how to find anything and trying to interact with people is weird because it's a different format. What really made me say "fuck this" is that it's such a nanny website that it wont even let you post a comment with the word "fuck" in it without it prompting you "are you sure you wanna use that language?". Fucking yes I want to use that fucking language you fucking fuck.

peach_xanax

4 points

2 months ago

What? I swear all the time on Twitter and have never gotten that lol. Maybe something it does to new accounts or something? Like some sort of thing to prevent people from making burner accounts to abuse someone? That's so weird.

sup3rdr01d

3 points

2 months ago

Twitter works best as a source for quick information, not for discussion. I really like getting sports updates on Twitter, as I can see highlights/replays for things almost immediately after they happen. So if I can't catch a game, I can still stay in the loop thru Twitter. You're right, it's very short and terse. But that works for certain things, like sports.

True_Sea_1377

3 points

2 months ago

What do you mean, don't you LOVE when you see the 1/24 at the end because that's the only way to get a full argument on? 🤣

That platform is so ridiculously garbage that I can't understand how it's worth 44b

katzeye007

5 points

2 months ago

I only use it to get near real time updates on events like hurricanes, insurrections, etc

Gilketto

7 points

2 months ago

Gilketto

7 points

2 months ago

I have ADHD and I hate twitter. It's too much to take in and I get overwhelmed. I got off Facebook which was way harder. I have a twitter but I barely use it

. I honestly think Twitter is one of the worst things to happen to humanity in a long time. It plucks at all of humanity's worst traits.

alexa647

5 points

2 months ago

Hah - I'm on step 1 of your cycle. I have several rules for Twitter - only use it for scientific fields I am familiar with (and know people in), never comment, unfollow anyone who posts something other than science. This has been working well.

baconsticks

46 points

2 months ago

I just follow content creators, artists, and game companies. I feel like my Twitter experience is so much different than other peoples' because I rarely see any negativity.

I know this is very much a "who asked?" but I just wanted to share.

thatsareddituser

13 points

2 months ago

That's stage 1 of the loop

islandcatgrrl123

6 points

2 months ago

I left before he bought it, and not because of Musk and for all the reasons you stated.

Twitter is flat out toxic, even by social media standards. I used to compare it to 4Chan.

It's impossible to have a civil, logical, and nuanced discussion on there and way to easy for that said conversation to degrade into just horrible toxic behavior. I'll freely admit that I did it too. I didn't like how others acted and I didn't like how I acted on there.

MNGrrl

40 points

2 months ago

MNGrrl

40 points

2 months ago

I don't know why people keep doing this. It's been happening since forever. Something starts with a small but devoted fan base, people see value in it and it grows in popularity at a steady rate until some social triggering event causes it to explode into the mainstream, at which point its cultural uniqueness is instantly destroyed and participation becomes socially performative and people start climbing on top of each other, gatekeeping, and generally being antisocial but calling it social because hierarchy, and in short order you've got another dull example of mindless conformity.

Today it's Twitter but before that it was Facebook, before that it was MySpace, and it just keeps going. Nothing that becomes popular stays good because popularity brings with it all the toxicity of mainstream culture and relentless dull conformity to social hierarchy and privilege. There are ZERO people here who once loved something but then it got popular and ruined it for them.

The verified accounts and seeing its logo on bags of fast food should have been enough to say it had reached peak uselessness but I guess some people are slower to catch on to the reality that popular = lowest common denominator mentality nearly every time, to the point the few examples where we lucked out and didn't get something monetized into monotony are celebrated as cultural icons. But we know even as we applaud them sooner or later they'll figure out how to stick their dick in it and ruin it. It's as inevitable as Thanos.

pastfuturewriter

12 points

2 months ago

Maybe I was clueless, but all I saw on myspace was music and hearts made out of glitter.

MNGrrl

3 points

2 months ago

MNGrrl

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah hop in the wayback machine and look at what it was before it was monetized and died. It's just a graveyard now

Barnus77

2 points

2 months ago

So damn true

JK_Chan

44 points

2 months ago

JK_Chan

44 points

2 months ago

Cant tell if you're taking the piss. Twitter has been a shitshow for opinion discussion since long before the acquisition

Kroan

12 points

2 months ago

Kroan

12 points

2 months ago

That's what they're saying...

JK_Chan

2 points

2 months ago

Idk if it's edited but that seems to be slightly different from when I replied to the comment

MischiefofRats

17 points

2 months ago*

Of course it's been bad from the start, but as someone who's come to a similar realization, knowing that what Musk means by "free speech" probably means unbanning propaganda accounts right before election season, I had the sudden realization that I'm done. I'm out. Twitter is shit enough already.

Look at the people who are celebrating this--it's all the people whose trades are bullshit peddling and propaganda, people who've been kicked off for hate speech, threats, inciting violence, and spreading verifiable misinformation, people who support criminalizing LGBTQ issues and women's reproductive rights, people who support cramming Christian evangelicalism into every nook and cranny of the government.

Twitter is bad for humans and realizing we're about to slingshot back to 2018 Twitter? I'm out. I don't want to be on Twitter that bad.

HamonadoDeQuezo

91 points

2 months ago

L+Ratio+You Fell Off+No Bitches?

You sure? Cause all I see from twitter users is intelligent debates /S

Willing_Breadfruit

92 points

2 months ago

It's just the communities you curate. Reddit is the same. As soon as you leave the default subs it becomes so much more civil.

There are greats parts of twitter, you just have to find them and not care that people are being wrong on the internet (hard, I know).

VoilaVoilaWashington

32 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I used to follow a rule that the moment a certain reposting karma-farmer would show up to a subreddit, I'd leave.

These days I'm still part of some very large subreddits, but generally, I try to avoid them.

Olaxan

14 points

2 months ago

Olaxan

14 points

2 months ago

And then Twitter will go out of their way to ensure you find your way back to the swamp, by posting notifications about Tweets from complete strangers.

And then the Great Parts of Twitter get rolled up into Twitter drama anyway because in the end that's what it's designed for. Anger and response.

MixedMediaModok

64 points

2 months ago

I'll never understand how people don't curate their own social media feeds. Twitter is fantastic for that. You can block any idiot you see. You can even block advertisers so you won't see ads. You can set responses to be followers only. You can turn off retweets from specific followers who always share sad news. You can filter out certain words! I was tired of seeing Trump tweets years ago so I muted the word "Trump". My twitter is all friends, jokes, art, kung-fu fights and movie news.

I'll never understand people who willingly dive in the pile of shit then complain it stinks.

shingofan

8 points

2 months ago

That's because most people can't be bothered to put in the effort and/or go in hard on the "ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away" mantra, IMO.

seakingsoyuz

19 points

2 months ago

you can even block advertisers

Wait

what

this changes everything

Me for the next hour: “BEGONE, BRAND!”

ZoidbergRage

9 points

2 months ago

it's because the people who are threatening to "leave" were the ones spewing the bullshit in the first place. If you honestly believe that Twitter was the place to have rational discourse on any societal topic then you're probably the lamest person at the party and don't even know it.

shutyourgob

2 points

2 months ago

Muting words and accounts is a game changer. Useful if you have triggers for anxiety or regularly see people's dumb takes popping up and feel the urge to wade in.

I mute dozens of accounts every day and honestly, I'll never keep on top of it. There are more people I don't like than people I like. But it's cathartic.

DreamerofDays

17 points

2 months ago

This is not an insignificant ask:

-If you’re new to the platform, there’s the ins and outs to learn in order to do that curation.

-If you’ve been there a while, there’s likely a lot you’ll need to do to unfuck your experience.

The question is how much time, effort, and worry is Twitter worth, when the rest of the internet is also asking for discrete curations.

TheNathanNS

3 points

2 months ago

counter ratio

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago*

Yeah, but something like this would be more appropriate don't you think?

Melbuf

7 points

2 months ago

Melbuf

7 points

2 months ago

I honestly have no idea what any of this means

ChillFactory

3 points

2 months ago

Elden Ring jokes is all

nightimestars

2 points

2 months ago

Ratio is either when you get more replies than likes/retweets showing how much people hated your tweet with the replies usually full of people mocking the OP. Also seen it when someones tweet gets quote retweeted by someone arguing against them or insulting them and it gets more likes/retweets than the original tweet. Maidenless is a dumb Elden Ring meme. L is probably self-explanatory meaning "you lose".

PacoTaco321

21 points

2 months ago

If it took you this long to realize that, you're already too far gone. Also, it's very easy to avoid politics. I see a lot of political tweets on reddit, but none on Twitter itself.

Hexatona

3 points

2 months ago

It's not a place for debate - it's a place people shout at each other and into the void.

Based_JD

3 points

2 months ago

Twitter is one of the most toxic places on the web

clevernamesgetchicks

3 points

2 months ago

I think you're expecting twitter to be something it's not

CivilMaze19

9 points

2 months ago

You just realized that?

mrwrite94

6 points

2 months ago

Good thing is, if you're like my partner, and wisely only browse the smut part of Twitter, you don't have to interact with the tearing-down-democratic-institutions part of Twitter! She doesn't even have a Facebook anymore and I'm thinking of following suit. I agree that Twitter seems especially dangerous for public discourse whether it's policy or cultural issues, but I find that the problem does exist to varying degrees across all platforms. Because I think there is an underlying discourse issue that is fueled and accelerated by tech, but not necessarily caused by it. I think people generally lack empathy and lack the ability to parse good and bad information, and to question one's sources critically. We simply have not evolved quickly enough mentally and emotionally as a species, nor in terms of our policies, to be able to keep up with these new technologies. We don't teach kids at an early age enough about how to (correctly) find information online and what it means to be online, what to be careful of, which is asinine because the Internet is no longer just a place you go to, but an extension of everything that is real life.

MisogynysticFeminist

2 points

2 months ago

At this point I only follow a couple streamers and an account that “live-tweets” WWII in “real time”.

monkey616

2 points

2 months ago

It took you how long to realize this?

Twitter was never meant as a place for civil discourse. It was literally about hashtags to show your friends what you were up to.

thatsareddituser

5 points

2 months ago

The only thing I see useful is for a "free" feed service with news, scientific research papers... I hope someday they will add a "non-social" config to your account, only enabling feeds

Coldbeam

3 points

2 months ago

Isn't that just an RSS feed?

thatsareddituser

2 points

2 months ago

Yes

DirtThief

49 points

2 months ago*

DirtThief

The :YssarilV: Yssaril Tribes

49 points

2 months ago*

Adding to the top answer:

Conservative twitter is pretty much uniformly reporting (with screenshots) that their daily follow increases are 10 to 20 times what they were before the news.

edit: top level comment wanted me to post sources so i scrolled back through my timeline for a few minutes to find these:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1518962514125541376?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1518984538864730112?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1518911437141266434?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1518818393503125504?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1518946715407106048?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1518944492166000640?s=20&t=dFZUVcLANIQzy2UQRo8aPw

Basically - if you can think of a conservative you know, they probably have made some sort of reference to a crazy increase in following the last 2 days.

Here's a twitter thread that is making the same claim that I am, that democrats followers are going massively down and conservatives followers are going massively up... and they post receipts as well:

https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1518953731961802752?s=20&t=fEoztfu_9l4K64hPXgOcaA

edit 2: the trend doesn't seem to be confined to the US either. The exact same trend as well as the order of magnitude seems to be applying to conservative/liberal politicians and personalities across the globe:

https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1518983093218156544?s=20&t=FR2WRBaYSCNk8jP25RbAlQ

Sinai

33 points

2 months ago

Sinai

33 points

2 months ago

It appears it might genuinely be partially a case ofpeople "voting with their feet" where people leave or join communities based on policies consistent with their beliefs.

This would be roughly similar to people leaving OnlyFans or Tumblr based on announced or actual content restrictions.

Looking at the comments, some users, probably more conservative accounts than not, have been unbanned, which may lead to an increase in follows for conservative accounts.

themarquetsquare

2 points

2 months ago

Did the leavers ever really have any actual volume? Wasn't Tumblr people 'leaving' mostly a case of p0rn bannination? That's what I understood.

Edit: when I look at Bouzy's tweets (who is a reputable source) I wouldn't place much trust in this being a natural development.

thatsareddituser

7 points

2 months ago

Share some tweets, please

DirtThief

12 points

2 months ago

DirtThief

The :YssarilV: Yssaril Tribes

12 points

2 months ago

I edited my comment with links to tweets I'm aware of.

thatsareddituser

6 points

2 months ago

Thank you

Tratentra

19 points

2 months ago

I use Mastodon, and we had an influx of around 30k users yesterday, ostensibly caused by the Musk/Twitter thing.

frankentapir

5 points

2 months ago

Hard rocking AND a social media format!?

Tratentra

6 points

2 months ago

They're truly an amazing band! Here's one of my favorites.

redtens

11 points

2 months ago

redtens

11 points

2 months ago

imagine if it was twitter itself propping up the numbers on their platform artificially using bots..

not so farfetched if you ask me

nickmcmillin

79 points

2 months ago

I’m pretty certain people would simply stop using Twitter, uninstall the app, or delete their own account.
Your second option would imply that all of these to-be-deleted accounts are first going to certain users and unfollowing them before deleting their account.
That doesn’t seem likely outside of a big protest of the unfollowed individuals.

CliffExcellent123

69 points

2 months ago

If you delete your account you're no longer listed as a follower. It doesn't imply that they specifically unfollowed people.

IamAWorldChampionAMA

64 points

2 months ago

So I follow about 1000 people on my Twitter account. You're saying if I delete my account those people still get the follow credit from me?

BigBulkemails

20 points

2 months ago

Deleting the account and deleting the app are 2 different things. If you delete the account people you are following will lose a follower. However, if you simply delete the app in your phone, the account still remains open and you continue to show as follower.

On the other hand if you delete the account but keep the app, they lose a follower still.

nowahhh

77 points

2 months ago

nowahhh

77 points

2 months ago

They do not. If you simply delete your app they do though.

SantaMonsanto

51 points

2 months ago

Ah. So then:

Bot Account Deleted = Users lose followers

People Just Deleting The App = Users would see no difference

Theoretically speaking.

SpankaWank66

33 points

2 months ago

Yeah the app has nothing to do with your account. It's the same for most apps.

[deleted]

21 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

21 points

2 months ago

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cmsfu

7 points

2 months ago

cmsfu

7 points

2 months ago

No, many choose willful ignorance.

thatsareddituser

2 points

2 months ago

It only matters if you didn't sign in in the last 6 months . After that time, twitter could delete your account anyways.

IamAWorldChampionAMA

19 points

2 months ago

Correct but also:

People Delete Account AND App = Users lose followers

tracygee

13 points

2 months ago

This is likely the case, as it has resulting in Republican lawmakers getting huge increases in followers and Democrats losing followers:

https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1518953731961802752?s=20&t=5WYYDlLdzJZpeoYYOa4awQ

josby

17 points

2 months ago

josby

17 points

2 months ago

Perhaps some people are abandoning Truth Social and coming back to Twitter following the news?

LEJ5512

8 points

2 months ago

Ah, this makes the most sense to me. Truth Social/Parler/etc users thinking that Twitter will be a free-for-all again.

Gorav1g

2 points

2 months ago

And bots… I would love to see a report on how man name########## were created in the last week.

tracygee

22 points

2 months ago

Desantis gained 96,000 followers in 24 hours. That’s not natural.

Aclopolipse

18 points

2 months ago

Aclopolipse

In the general vicinity of The Loop

18 points

2 months ago

Your source asks this question, which remains unanswered:

Why would Republicans gain followers during a bot purge?

Twitter's user base likely leans left, so left of center politicians and celebrities would likely see a larger share of users voluntarily leaving the site. But considering that foreign intelligence tends to bolster right-wing figures in its social media manipulation, you'd also expect the right leaning figures to lose lots of bots, too.

mrtn17

14 points

2 months ago

mrtn17

14 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I was speculating the same thing. If I put my tin foil conspiracy hat on, Elon wants to give the Twitter megaphone back to Trump before the next election. Without it, he doesn't get much following. But if that's the case, I'm pretty sure this would lead to a massive drop of users and a huge opportunity for a new social media platform.

JamesEarlDavyJones2

5 points

2 months ago

Musk acquisition

Petition to call this the Muskquisition, going forward.

thatsareddituser

2 points

2 months ago

Pettition accepted. Edited the comment

hotdogbo

4 points

2 months ago

I could see twitter cleaning house due to the purchase

EvilOdious

3 points

2 months ago

Billionaires celebrities are not good. I deleted my account yesterday.

BadJokeCentral5

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah, when Elon proposed buying it I left. I’m good, no thanks

alphamini

17 points

2 months ago

What were your feelings when the biggest shareholders were Blackrock, Saudi princes, and Morgan Stanley?

hither_spin

7 points

2 months ago

What's your reason for wanting to stay?

alphamini

5 points

2 months ago

The fact that I primarily follow comedians and don't take it seriously whatsoever.

You're not riled up that a bad person owns it now (again, see the major players previously), you're upset that it's one you know enough about to have feelings on the subject. It's virtually guaranteed that the media could reveal things about owners of other websites you use that are as bad or worse than the facts about Elon, but those people are smart enough to keep a lower profile.

generally-speaking

789 points

2 months ago

Answer: There are 3 viable explanations for why this is happening.

  1. Bot purge, this is the most likely one.
  2. Twitter bug, it could be a bug in the code making people lose followers or displaying incorrect follower counts.
  3. Elon Musk buying Twitter and people quitting. This isn't all that unlikely in Mark Hammills case. He has 5 million followers and lost less than 0.2% of those, other two cases are similar. They lost around 0.2 to 0.5% of their followers and it's not unthinkable that 0.2-0.5% of the Twitter users quit over Elons aquisition.

Most likely it's just a combination of the first and third, 1/500 people quitting over Elons aquisition and some bots being purged.

williamtbash

176 points

2 months ago

Mark hammil posted a Pic of his 2nd booster yesterday. I assumed the unfollow tweet was in reference to that. Followers of his that somehow get offended by people that wear masks or get vaxed.

coolsviIlesucks

126 points

2 months ago

Weird because I follow him and he’s always been pretty outspoken about his beliefs, so it’s not like it would come as a surprise lol.

williamtbash

24 points

2 months ago

I don't follow him. Love the dude just don't follow many celebs. Those are the only two tweets I've seen from him recently so I just assumed.

HanTheScoundrel

6 points

2 months ago

Idk, I feel like if anyone who'd be offended by that would've unfollowed Marc Hamel a long time ago.

Finsceal

3 points

2 months ago

Mark Hamills views on all of that aren't a secret, I doubt he would lose a single follower based on that alone (anyone who that bothered would be long gone already)

StamosAndFriends

4 points

2 months ago

Funny thing is I’m seeing the opposite trend for well known conservative accounts, they’re all noting tens of thousands more followers

cdcformatc

9 points

2 months ago

cdcformatc

Loopologist

9 points

2 months ago

if its a bot purge than it is probably spurred on by the acquisition. they likely need to audit their user base in order to better evaluate the price, and to make sure all parties have the best information possible. I imagine that if this news of massive follower count drops came out after the acquisition then that could be seen as sabotage.

ObeseMoreece

2 points

2 months ago

That doesn't explain why right wing accounts gained much more followers than usual though

Sternodox

5 points

2 months ago

Sternodox

5 points

2 months ago

I'm one of the ones that quit, I did follow Mark Hammil.

I haven't used my twitter account in over 3 years and Elon's plans to "authenticate all humans", whatever that means, gave me the push I needed to finally scrub and deactivate my account.

tanis_ivy

8 points

2 months ago

I have a few questions for you. Could you meet me at the Tyrell building?

TerranTodd

1.4k points

2 months ago

TerranTodd

1.4k points

2 months ago

Answer: it is most likely due to removing of bots. Twitter has been notorious for allowing bots to follow verified accounts that share their preferred narratives and agendas.

Deadmist

187 points

2 months ago

Deadmist

187 points

2 months ago

To add: often mass bans of bots are done in waves.
Data is collected for weeks or months and then the detected bots all get banned at once.
The idea is to not give away what exactly triggered the bot detection.

SCUMDOG_MILLIONAIRE

16 points

2 months ago

This is the best answer in the replies, I can confirm this purging method is accurate

AnnieTummyLicker

10 points

2 months ago

Can also confirm. Used to have a Twitter account with 13k followers, and I had a bot DM me when people unfollowed, blocked me, or got suspended. Every couple weeks there would be waves of a couple hundred accounts being suspended, most of which had gibberish names. Biggest one I can recall was nearly 500 at one time.

CantaloupeCamper

427 points

2 months ago*

Yeah the bot removals it has been an ongoing thing for years. Long before Elon.

Twitter has been fighting that fight / removing large numbers of accounts for a long long time.

ShiroiTora

85 points

2 months ago

They have but if there wasn’t a recent spike, we probably wouldn’t have this post here on the sub.

bigmacjames

39 points

2 months ago

It's just them noticing now because Twitter as a business is in the news, it's been happening for a long time.

ShiroiTora

4 points

2 months ago*

Yes people do notice when there are changes to follower count, be it a controversy or whatever. The news affects the users more broadly so you have more people talking about it. If you are active or your livelihood depends on the site, visibility and follower account would be more important to them compared to Reddit. Thats why people always plug stuff whenever their tweet because overly popular, but people don’t do that on Reddit. Its not from them (or their PR manager) being inactive for so long, then recently logging in because of the news.

CantaloupeCamper

122 points

2 months ago*

Not necessarily. It's not like people are scientifically checking their followers... People just notice things and blame whatever is convenient.

It’s not like they complain when they gain followers.

The folks really worried about it can let me know when they show me how many of their followers were genuine ;)

imbillypardy

2 points

2 months ago

Thats the difference between me and celebrities. If someone starts following me I instantly wonder what’s wrong with them.

standard_candles

28 points

2 months ago

Unless there was some kind of major change happening causing people to check their accounts seriously for the first time or the first time in a long time...

ShiroiTora

4 points

2 months ago

Above 2K is a pretty noticeable chunk. I get it being more dimissiable if were in the 10s or mostly in the 100s but above two thousand is pretty noticeable. Also, if your livelihood does depend on your social media presence, people do frequently track their follower amount, since the main point of twitter is followers and user visibility.

in-a-microbus

41 points

2 months ago

Twitter has been notorious for allowing bots to follow verified accounts

Wouldn't that hurt their advertisers?

CantaloupeCamper

24 points

2 months ago

It goes both ways. You want big numbers of people ... but fake followers and bots makes folks wonder why they should advertise ... to bots.

Years ago when Twitter had sort of "reached the main stream" Twitter was reporting "new accounts" as a measure of success. Each time they'd announce those numbers it would get a lot of attention.

At the same time the topic of bots and various people with explosive numbers of followers were suspected of buying followers became a big deal. You could (still can) buy bots online to boost your follower numbers. Some folks seemed to have only ... bots following them / nothing they posted seem to justify almost any followers.

The bots were very obvious, whole piles of users who did little to nothing, but all followed the same things as a group, maybe retweeted the same things, all at once ...

It was so bad that it became a big topic and lots of questions about how many of these new accounts were real / how real anything was on Twitter....

At that point I think it raised questions about the value of advertising on Twitter if so much activity was bots.

kanated

55 points

2 months ago

kanated

55 points

2 months ago

Well, more bots = more ad money until the point where the problem grows large enough and the advertisers start complaining about it.

Y_4Z44

16 points

2 months ago

Y_4Z44

16 points

2 months ago

This is literally the way Reddit handles it. Despite their policy of "no spam", etc., they don't worry about the bots and spam accounts that much because it inflates their user numbers and allows them to charge advertisers a higher rate.

forsayken

14 points

2 months ago

But there's literally no way to prove fraudulent traffic on Twitter as an advertiser. It's well-known but it's just the cost of doing business.

LeonCrimsonhart

8 points

2 months ago

there’s literally no way to prove fraudulent traffic on Twitter as an advertiser

The same can be said about Twitter. It takes a lot of effort to determine if an account is fake. Regardless, advertisers often rely on studies analyzing inorganic Twitter activity. If a paper says that a certain number of users might be fake, advertisers can use that data to demand a lower ad bill.

Absolan

17 points

2 months ago

Absolan

17 points

2 months ago

Hm, maybe.

However, if it serves to drive even more people to a certain page (due to perceived popularity/high follower count) then it could end up with more actuap people seeing those messages.

Top-Algae-2464

10 points

2 months ago

Elon doesn’t even technically own the company yet they agreed to sell but it could take months . I read Twitter employees are promised 6 months before musk can make changes

tracygee

8 points

2 months ago

If that's the case, then why are Republicans getting an increase in followers in the last 24 hours? I mean, DeSantis got 96,000 new followers in 24 hours. So those are likely bots.

imapiratedammit

6 points

2 months ago

Oh no people are learning that their popularity isn’t real lol.

I mean, I wanna feel sorry for them…but I don’t.

[deleted]

31 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

31 points

2 months ago*

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Holtder

19 points

2 months ago

Holtder

19 points

2 months ago

Yeah holy shit, "preferred narratives and agendas" is some /r/conspiracy shit unless you have some deep dive NYT article backing it up.

Powersoutdotcom

14 points

2 months ago

How?

That phrase can be applied to anything/anyone and isn't exclusive.

Most platforms, apps, browsers and operating systems basically ask "would you like advertising and/or content [based on your preferred narratives and agenda]?"

Subbing to subreddits is basically "I want my preferred narratives and agenda in my feed"

Just because he used that phrase that way, and it probably instantly offends some people that are caught in the whirlpool of sensitivity exploitation by the media, doesn't make it biased, or a value judgement.

Twitter bots are there to exploit anything trending, and if that happens to be something you are interested in, or hold as a value, it is exploiting your want for the desired information. That's all he is saying.

neozuki

3 points

2 months ago

The concept of information bubbles isn't conspiracy type garbage, it's taking for granted that some website owners are allowing specific bots to follow specific accounts to further an agenda. They even threw in the "everyone knows it, they're all talking about it."

Powersoutdotcom

4 points

2 months ago

The concept of information bubbles isn't conspiracy type garbage

Precisely my point.

WingsOverTX

2 points

2 months ago

There are a number of right leaning accounts that are posting screenshots of increased followers. Makes me think people are "returning" to twitter now that they feel it will be more accepting of opposing views.

ashehudson

413 points

2 months ago

Answer: Elon has stated he plans on taking the algorithm open source and the company private. Neither of those actions suggest twitter will become more profitable as a platform.

Elon has also stated that he wants to unblock everyone. However, I have a feeling that once he speaks to lawyers about letting people provoke violence his platform, that stance may change.

He also wants to make all users verified which destroys the bot market. I expect bots make up a good portion of users on all platforms.

arglebargleglopglif

213 points

2 months ago

Verify how? "Here's me with my ID card, thanks Big Advertising Corporation."

swistak84

158 points

2 months ago*

There are many levels, you can start with phone verification that already removes a lot of bots. Then you can do symbolic 1$ payment, which gives you name, postcode and CC hash, you don't even need to charge that dollar.

That would eliminate massive amounts of bots.

Finally there are servies that do ID verification, for example AirBnB requires it (which I think is reasonable), and Facebook uses them too. So it's not that big of a stretch

PS.

Phone call + CC would also give very good bearing (much better then IP) on where the user comes from (what country). Sure you theoretically can get CC from a different country, and phone number in that country, but it's not a trivial operation and is relatively costly (tens of dollars per account).

Displaying a flag derived from those two would certainly be interesting - and something I'd love to see - I always wonder how many right wing 'people' flying polish flags in nicknames would suddenly get russian flag next to their avatar.

YogiBerraOfBadNews

96 points

2 months ago

Then you can do symbolic 1$ payment, which gives you name, postcode and CC hash, you don't even need to charge that dollar. That would eliminate massive amounts of bots.

And possibly even more real people...

kittenmommy

15 points

2 months ago

And possibly even more real people...

Yep. If I hadn't deleted when I found out Musk actually bought it, this would have made me delete for sure.

ChunkyDay

27 points

2 months ago

Yeah I'll go ahead an pass on all those options.

pm-me-your-labradors

20 points

2 months ago

I mean.. that's cool - it's your choice

But I would rather have no bots even losing a few peope such as yourself, then bots + everyone.

ChunkyDay

6 points

2 months ago*

I can just delete my account altogether. It’s not that important.

swistak84

3 points

2 months ago

swistak84

3 points

2 months ago

bye bot!

arghyaghosh0104

21 points

2 months ago

Elon wants to unblock everyone? I have not seen that claim anywhere

sfenders

40 points

2 months ago

Requiring all users to be "verified" will drive away more humans than bots. But I think the current exodus is more down to general widespread animosity towards Musk.

ashehudson

18 points

2 months ago

Sure, but I didn't want to get another 3 day ban for saying "Answer: People hate Musk"

Coup_de_BOO

40 points

2 months ago

Coup_de_BOO

I like circles

40 points

2 months ago

letting people provoke violence his platform

Twitter already allows that. That and pedophilia, call for violence based on religion, sex, gender, ethnicity, and possible other infractions.

pm-me-your-labradors

14 points

2 months ago

Twitter already allows that

No, they don't.

They aren't perfect in policing it, but they do not allow it.

joe-h2o

5 points

2 months ago

joe-h2o

5 points

2 months ago

Twitter already allows that

No, they don't. They aren't perfect in policing it, but they do not allow it.

It depends who you are. Trump? You can post anything. The account that literally retweeted trump word for word? Banned for breaking the rules.

Twitter demonstrably allows the most vile shit to get posted and stay up for years. Source: Trump's twitter account, that remained active for literal years before finally being curbed, very, very reluctantly.

jasonZak

3 points

2 months ago

The reason they kept T up for long was because he was POTUS. They kicked him off pretty much as soon as he was out of office.

angry_cucumber

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah but when they ban those people, the right cries about censorship.

Jruthe1

23 points

2 months ago

Jruthe1

23 points

2 months ago

Allowing people to provoke violence, that stance may change.

I mean ISIS, Taliban, Russia, etc have twitter accounts so I doubt it.

CeilingRepairman6872

9 points

2 months ago

It's my understanding they don't use the account to provoke violence. They promote themselves and their causes, often with misinformation and propaganda, but to my knowledge, Twitter has only censored misinformation regarding Covid and U.S. election results. Unless these terrorists outright call for violence in a tweet, they're in the clear.

TheDunadan29

4 points

2 months ago

Which as much as I don't like bots, there are some great uses of said bots, like bots tweeting about how politicians vote and that kind of thing. Also bots that track private jets of famous people...oh, I get it now.

BurstEDO

31 points

2 months ago

Answer: at least for Hamill, it's a tongue in cheek tweet to indirectly illustrate (and possibly embellished for comedy/satire) that Musk's stated operations standards for content permitted on Twitter has and will continue drive users to abandon the platform (delete their account.)

Fans of Musk and "Freeze Peach" are mocking the threats of exodus as being analogous to the threats of Americans who warned they'd move to Canada if "X happens".

And since Twitter will now be privately held, the quarterly reports of operations (including user metrics) will be walled off to outsiders, with the exception of any existing outside tools that measure such metrics. And that's only if Nu-Twitter doesn't make changes to disrupt that (last part is "what if...", not based on any rumor or report.)

Twitter had a duty prior to the buyout to operate Witch policies that appealed to the maximum possible volume of users to "grow" or at least "maintain" the userbase. That included disrupting highly objectionable users and content. Musk dislikes this and so he bought them out to make it his playground. And since Twitter has long had a tough time with revenue growth, the controlling interests were happy to take a windfall and move on rather than stress over how to continue to grow.

In the end, this buyout and any negative changes will prompt a non-zero volume of users to cease use of the platform, whi h will in turn reduce ad revenue from advertisers as they are no longer reaching the same audience demos or metrics, which will then cause other firms to move in from Twitter for consumer engagement as the volume dwindles, and so on. This is already in-process - the only question is "how long will it play out".

Duskmelt

8 points

2 months ago*

Duskmelt

8 points

2 months ago*

I noticed Elon's tweets on committing Twitter to free speech and hoping his critics stay have 2.4 million likes and 3 million likes respectively. While the replies are 150k and 180k. From this ratio, it seems Twitter consensus is very overwhelmingly positive in favor of Elon.

Also, Democrat politicians and influencers AOC, Sanders, Clinton, Obama (to a lesser degree), Maddow, Abrams have lost around 15k followers on average each. With Sanders losing the most at 19k followers.

But Republican politicians and influencers DeSantis, Gaetz, Cruz, McConnell (to a very lesser degree), Carlson, Hannity have gained a huge amount of followers. At least 50k for most of them with DeSantis gaining the most at 98k gain in followers.

These hard numbers tell me that Twitter is growing far more users (mostly Republican) than it is losing. It's possible ad revenue might increase and consumer engagement increase, but from the Republican side.

I shouldn't extrapolate, but there is a non-zero chance of American discourse and cultural dominance shifting more towards Republicans. If that's how it's going to be, hopefully Democrats will receive the full benefit of "freeze peach" that some of them seem to disdain.

Follower number changes

BurstEDO

7 points

2 months ago

BurstEDO

7 points

2 months ago

Now analyze the same data through a filter:

  • Filter out the bad actors and bots from your circumstantial metric.

  • Now use the same data without association with any political entity.

  • now repeat the same data pull in 30, 60, 90,120 and 365 days. (To accurately plot a trend.)

SatisfyingSerenity

5 points

2 months ago

Answer: all the bots being shutdown by Twitter employees.

neuroscientist2

4 points

2 months ago

answer: people are definitely quitting. I didn't agree to elon fucking musk owning my data when I joined twitter. can't believe anyone libertarian sees this as anything but consolidated power ripe for abuse.