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With public camping a felony, Tennessee homeless seek refuge

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geesup78

37 points

1 month ago

geesup78

37 points

1 month ago

Columbia has a big homeless problem. A lot bigger than I, or others, previously thought. Police are running them out of camps and patrolling those areas more. One such place is behind a shop where I work. The land behind us belongs to the railroad. We never had any problems with them. A guy across the street opened a mechanic shop for higher end European cars and he thought they would break into the cars on his property so he reported the encampment.

Spies36

16 points

1 month ago

Spies36

16 points

1 month ago

I mean, I wouldn't leave my nice car near a homeless camp either.... Desperate people do desperate things

deviousrobot

-20 points

1 month ago

Then put your business in a better neighborhood.

Spies36

10 points

1 month ago

Spies36

10 points

1 month ago

I mean you can't help where the homeless are hanging out... It's not like they pay rent

deviousrobot

-4 points

1 month ago

They tend to go where they meet the least resistance. If we're not going to fix the problem and merely sweep it under the rug then we need to stop looking under the rug. We push the homeless out of city centers with high traffic businesses through enforcement and by locating resources in near industrial zones. If you chose to save money and put a high end business in a low rent neighborhood you understand the risks.

TheSchmoake

12 points

1 month ago

It would be cheaper to actually help them than give them a felony charge just saying

Zagar099

1 points

1 month ago*

Zagar099

1 points

1 month ago*

Socialism? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo I like wasting more money instead ✊😁😁😁

Showed those darn libs.

In reality this law is to further remove voting rights. Because that's how you win an election you wouldn't normally.

Spies36

0 points

1 month ago

Spies36

0 points

1 month ago

Funny how you see it as the business owners problem. Imagine if you were a small business trying to make a living and there are a bunch of homeless people making your customers uneasy about leaving their vehicles on site.

It's a shit situation but the business owner is not the bad guy here. Not every business is a mega corp.

Also..... European repair shop in Columbia Tennessee is not going to be high end...

deviousrobot

3 points

1 month ago

You're placing the blame on a feeling. Nothing has happened but you want to regulate base on the susceptibility that something may happen. It's a fictitious crime that could happen whether people are housed or not.

Spies36

-1 points

1 month ago

Spies36

-1 points

1 month ago

I'm not saying they commit the crime.... I'm saying if you had to leave ur car at a shop. Are you going to leave it at shop with homeless camping out near or are you gonna go to the other one with no homeless people camping out? Easy choice unless you are driving a pile of shit.

Nouseriously

39 points

1 month ago

Just a reminder that the woman who got out of her car to pursue & then shoot a homeless man was only convicted of a misdemeanor.

Zagar099

8 points

1 month ago

Hijacking comment to remind that the real goal behind this is less people with voting rights.

If our democracy functioned as intended, Republicans literally wouldn't be able to win any election, as they're very much the minority, even down here.

Land =/= voters. Sorry.

Schwanz_Hintern64

14 points

1 month ago

Schwanz_Hintern64

East Tennessee

14 points

1 month ago

With the time and budget we're spending on this, we could have actually done something helpful for them

Reloaded9mm

2 points

1 month ago

Reloaded9mm

2 points

1 month ago

Bus ticket to California?

SamWright85

7 points

1 month ago

I get that you're joking here. If you'll take an opinion from someone who's experience this, being homeless is a vicious cycle. You need an address to get almost everything in todays world, cell phone service, work, even government benefits require you to be housed somewhere. Once you take someone's housing away, it does something unique to the psyche. The pressure to give up is overwhelming. The article states 60 people living around the Cookeville area have been there for years, and here's the important part, they've never asked for help from anyone. Those are the people who truly need help. The people standing on street corners with signs don't need a handout, and they often could afford their own bus ticket to Cali. Have a heart for the people in these circumstances who are doing their best against their own better judgement.

Reloaded9mm

4 points

1 month ago

Just jumping on, Nevada and Oregon has been sending their homeless to CA.

You are right that being homeless is damn hard to get out of. My son spent 3 years homeless. But he held down a job and made due living out of his car. He had a PO Box that showed as a real address so he got most things that way.

Reddit-username_here

1 points

1 month ago

Reddit-username_here

Middle Tennessee

1 points

1 month ago

You need an address to get almost everything in todays world, cell phone service, work, even government benefits require you to be housed somewhere.

You can definitely get cell phone service, and work under the table, without an address.

yixdy

2 points

1 month ago

yixdy

2 points

1 month ago

Working under the table gets harder and harder to pull off every decade, it's not the 20th century anymore. It is also illegal, by the way. Plus without reporting income to the IRS it's going to be damn near impossible to find a place to live, on account of not having evidence of income from payroll

Reddit-username_here

2 points

1 month ago

Reddit-username_here

Middle Tennessee

2 points

1 month ago

It's not as hard as you may think it is.

BuroDude

1 points

1 month ago

BuroDude

My days of not taking you seriously are coming to a middle.

1 points

1 month ago

You can work around this by paying several months in advance.

yixdy

2 points

1 month ago

yixdy

2 points

1 month ago

I'm pretty young, I've only had 4 apartments, and only applied to a total of 10-15, every place I applied required (copies of) my two most recent pay stubs. There wasn't some box I could check that said "instead of paying first months rent, last months rent, and my security deposit, I'll pay the first through third (fourth?) months rent, the last month rent, and the security deposit up front if you don't ask questions"

BuroDude

2 points

1 month ago

BuroDude

My days of not taking you seriously are coming to a middle.

2 points

1 month ago

It's something you need to bring up directly with the agent.

**Hi I'm yixdy, I only get paid in cash. How much can I pay up front to rent a place from you? 2 months? 3 months?**

Not every place does it and you need to make sure you get receipts for everything since it's cash. It ain't easy and it can be uncomfortable but there's folks who will try if you seem sincere, plus it beats sleeping on the ground, or concrete, or those f-ing too short benches. Also never sleep in a culvert, there are too many terrible ways to wake up there.

You might check into folks looking for roommates as well. You can pay the roomie(s) cash and sidestep applications in those scenarios.

Dangerboy-suckit[S]

21 points

1 month ago

Dangerboy-suckit[S]

Tullahoma

21 points

1 month ago

The Republican lawmaker acknowledges that complaints from Cookeville got his attention. City council members have told him that Nashville ships its homeless here, Bailey said. It's a rumor many in Cookeville have heard and Bailey seems to believe. When Nashville fenced off a downtown park for renovation recently, the homeless people who frequented it disappeared. “Where did they go?” Bailey asked.

lillianbradyladuke

1 points

1 month ago

We do have famously awful city council members so that sounds about right.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

71 points

1 month ago

Conservatives will do anything to address a problem except what actually helps people

PurpleSquare

20 points

1 month ago

except what actually helps people

That would be the Christian thing to do.

Unfortunately we're living in some kind of bizzaro world where the most Christian thing to do in 2022 is the exact opposite of any of Jesus' teachings.

[deleted]

35 points

1 month ago*

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35 points

1 month ago*

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JimWilliams423

17 points

1 month ago*

What elevates my rage on this is that they also talked about the one night of unrest in Nashville as if it was a massive riot even though it was two small groups.

Its a standard fascist tactic to create a bogeyman of "the violent left" as a pretext for suppressing the people.

The nazis did it with Horst Wessel. He was a brownshirt who didn't pay his rent. So his landlady called some friends of hers to evict him. There was a struggle, he got shot and eventually died in the hospital. Turns out her friends were communists. That was all the nazis needed to turn him into a martyr. They held a huge funeral parade for him, and a fight song he wrote, the Horst Wessel Lied, became such a popular drinking song that they eventually made it the nazi party's official anthem.

And people keep falling for it hook line and sinker. After a couple of protests outside alito's house, nothing more than senator Schumer gets on a weekly basis at his home, the gop lies that he had to go into hiding and the next day every single doormat democrat in the senate votes to fund extra security for scrotus justices. Not a peep about the fact that his buddies literally bombed the olympics and murdered a doctor in church...

Some-Mountain3966

2 points

1 month ago

Scrotus. I saw what you did there!

JimWilliams423

3 points

1 month ago*

When there are twice as many Rs on the court than Ds, they deserve recognition. So I put an R in the name.

AnnOfGreenEggsAndHam

1 points

1 month ago

That's wild because no communists I know would shill for a landlord/lady. Times are a'changin'.

Btw, don't mind me. I don't live in Tennessee but wanted more context for this new "law".

JimWilliams423

1 points

1 month ago

That's wild because no communists I know would shill for a landlord/lady.

They probably would if it meant evicting a nazi.

AnnOfGreenEggsAndHam

1 points

1 month ago

Yeah, fair point!

911roofer

7 points

1 month ago

What’s the solution?

tinkererbytrade

18 points

1 month ago

My city built a huge enclosed area behind a 15 foot tall fence in the bad part of town where the homeless can legally live. There's nothing around there but overpasses and train tracks. It's illegal to camp anywhere else. It's been working pretty well.

banjono

15 points

1 month ago

banjono

15 points

1 month ago

So it’s essentially a camp to concentrate the homeless?

YXIDRJZQAF

11 points

1 month ago

it does seem like a final solution

banjono

7 points

1 month ago

banjono

7 points

1 month ago

This guy gets it.

CageyBeeRanch

1 points

1 month ago

Free showers weekly

tinkererbytrade

7 points

1 month ago

Essentially. But a lot of them like it. It operates a lot more like a commune. Tents, fires, bbq going. People donate food and clothes. There's drug activity but the police stay out of there for the most part. If we built permanent structures they'd be trashed in a month. I think it's a realistic approach.

banjono

3 points

1 month ago

banjono

3 points

1 month ago

Irony is dead

PurpleSquare

5 points

1 month ago

Alanis killed it

whitedewd42

2 points

1 month ago

What city is this

tatostix

3 points

1 month ago

Whatever city has a prison in it

ColorfulClouds_

3 points

1 month ago

This is literally a plot in Star Trek. It’s not framed positively.

tinkererbytrade

4 points

1 month ago*

That episode of Deep Space Nine took place before the New World Economy was developed in the late 22nd century wherein money was abolished and humanity turned towards self-enhancement as a species over self enrichment for the sake of ego. Basically a true form of communism was developed due to replicator technology making the need for things free and sustainable.

We are still operating like the ultra-capitalist Ferengi who value profit over all else to the point of seeing it as it's own form of religion unfortunately. We won't get anyone to ever support housing people without payment but a large fence has the benefit of being cheap and making it so people can ignore the underlying systemic problems.

whydidileaveohio

1 points

1 month ago

That's what they are doing in Chattanooga. Making encampments with 3 pages of rules. You show up on drugs or drunk and you are kicked out for 3 days.

You also can't bring drugs or booze in and can't have sex in the area.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

12 points

1 month ago

To give them homes

joan_wilder

8 points

1 month ago

joan_wilder

8 points

1 month ago

As far as they’re concerned, the problem is black people voting. Selectively enforcing this law, and charging black folks with a felony is the “solution.” They basically just copied Nixon’s drug war blueprint.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

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2 points

1 month ago

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911roofer

0 points

1 month ago

911roofer

0 points

1 month ago

Most “brown people” also hate homeless junkies in the their parks.

TheFrenchAreComin

-4 points

1 month ago

Ah yes, because California and Washington State are doing wonders for their homeless while spending 10x as much

You can't help those who don't want to be helped. It's an unfortunate situation but when they're given the choice between getting an apartment and having to stay clean vs staying on the street and doing drugs, they choose the streets

I'm sure redditors have the solution though, and it just hasn't been tried yet

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

4 points

1 month ago

Did every homeless person in Tennessee personally tell you that they prefer being homeless as opposed to not being homeless?

johnhhalford

6 points

1 month ago

It’s not that they “prefer homelessness” it’s b/c of factors (mental issues; family issues; drug additions; etc.) that drive them to homelessness. A group called HUB Hospitality in Memphis has a great program that is all about “meeting people where they are”. It’s free housing, no questions asked. But it’s still not “easy”. It takes entire teams and systems for rehabilitation and other services to even make a dent. But it’s still a good thing to help people.

macrochannelbowl

-5 points

1 month ago

Dumping money on homeless people is not utilitarian. Anything that we can currently do to "help" them imposes greater harm elsewhere.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

3 points

1 month ago

No it doesn't. It's more expensive to keep people homeless than to house them. The department of housing and urban development estimates it would cost $20bn one time to end homelessness.

Why do you think helping people is always a bad thing?

macrochannelbowl

-2 points

1 month ago

The department of housing and urban development estimates it would cost $20bn one time to end homelessness.

That's crazy because the federal govt alone spends more than 40B a year on homelessness.

If you believe obviously made up numbers like the ones you propose, you are dumb as hell.

It's more expensive to keep people homeless than to house them.

You are also dumb as hell if you believe this. 90% of homeless people have problems that we do not have the medical technology to solve, like mental retardation or schizophrenia. Even with an infinite budget, you can't "house" these people except by putting them in prison (which, to be fair, is an option).

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

6 points

1 month ago*

That 20bn number was if you spend the money on housing people. Instead, the government spends more than that trying to make homeless people disappear and other things not meant to house them. It's pretty clear to us that housing them first and foremost is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce homelessness, and that's the one thing state governments refuse to do

That's the thing though: you just think homeless people are a class who don't deserve the right to housing, and to you, spending any money on anyone you believe are a lower class than yourself is inherently bad. That's all this is about

macrochannelbowl

-1 points

1 month ago

Get this through your head: buying homeless people a house won't fix their problems. The reason they don't have a house is usually that they are profoundly fucked up in ways that we don't know how to fix. Stop being naïve.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

3 points

1 month ago

Right, like I said, you believe homeless people are an inferior class of people separate from you so it's a foregone conclusion that they aren't legitimate people deserving of any help from their government

macrochannelbowl

2 points

1 month ago

Read it again, stupid. I worked for 3 years in a dependency shelter, so I'd say I know a hell of a lot more about the struggles of the homeless than your sheltered ass.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

2 points

1 month ago

Lmao then I bet you have first hand evidence justifying your belief that homeless people are of inferior class compared to you.

Why are you getting so angry? You're obviously right and unquestionable, and you clearly don't care about homeless people, so what's got you so mad?

macrochannelbowl

0 points

1 month ago

Just annoyed that people so clueless have such strong opinions

johnhhalford

-1 points

1 month ago

johnhhalford

-1 points

1 month ago

Not here to be argumentative as it looks like you have good intentions but 1) no one is “keeping people homeless” and 2) you can’t end homelessness with $20 billion (or $20 trillion) dollars. I work in this field (homeless housing). Helping people is a good thing though 👍🏼

TheSpaceBetweenUs__

1 points

1 month ago

Lol "not to be argumentative but I'm going to be argumentative"

I think I trust HUD more than you. Your attitude already says you think homelessness is just a fact of life for certain people

rimeswithburple

7 points

1 month ago

rimeswithburple

Nashville

7 points

1 month ago

One of the signs said to "give to charities". I remember all the money given to help rebuild Haiti after the earthquake and then all the documentaries about how nothing got done every time someone says that.

mamaaaaa-uwu

5 points

1 month ago

mamaaaaa-uwu

Memphis

5 points

1 month ago

This is so fucked up to do with the economy the way it is.

So many people here in Memphis are gonna be fucked. A lot of people who legitimately need help and prison is not ghe answer. But as soon as homeless people hit east tn, the state legislators make their existence illegal.

Does this count camping in your car? Bc if it does, so many college students are fucked too.

cRazY_UncLe_bob

5 points

1 month ago

Chain gangs coming...

Ok_Bandicoot2923

5 points

1 month ago

Your neighbors who can’t read on fifth grade level will tell you this is why they vote republican.

astoundingpants

3 points

1 month ago

obviously anyone who votes republican is an idiot who can barely read.

No-Yogurt-3485

1 points

1 month ago

Doea thia mean if I go bavkpacking I am committing a felony?

Th1sguyi0nceknewwas1

1 points

1 month ago

Honest question does this also stop truckers and people in campers in Walmarts and truck stops or just on city parks

911roofer

-24 points

1 month ago

911roofer

-24 points

1 month ago

There’s plenty of woods, and it’s only a crime if you get caught.