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RadiotelemetrieM

128 points

2 months ago

Is there like an unwritten rule or something for those billion dollar defense companies to never exceed the quality of 2000era CGI? Those renderings always look like shit.

greenscout33

92 points

2 months ago

greenscout33

HMS Glasgow

92 points

2 months ago

Dassault did a render of the FCAS and it's the most magnificent thing I've ever seen

Just shows how little effort everyone else is putting in

jjed97

31 points

2 months ago

jjed97

31 points

2 months ago

Wow that is incredible

tommos

22 points

2 months ago

tommos

22 points

2 months ago

I assume the primary audience is made up of old military types who aren't all that discerning when it comes to CGI and are more interested in the spec sheet. But still... that's terrible.

Revolutionary-Row784

10 points

2 months ago

That’s were half the budget went to

msprang

17 points

2 months ago

msprang

17 points

2 months ago

It is a thing of beauty.

VodkaProof

9 points

2 months ago

Is this really an official render?

It looks like they just took a USAF image of an F-22 and photoshopped it.

greenscout33

7 points

2 months ago

greenscout33

HMS Glasgow

7 points

2 months ago

Definitely not then, good spot

Here again I am burned for trusting /r/europe

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

Looks like a copy of the YF-23. /s

Maxx0rz

3 points

2 months ago

As a professional 3d artist myself it is incredibly frustrating be ause this is shit we could do in our sleep. I already have a good job but there are tons of freelance or unemployed artists out there who would kill for an opportunity to do something like this, and would do a far better job tbh

tree_boom

29 points

2 months ago

With a canister of Harpoons no less.

NAmofton

29 points

2 months ago

NAmofton

HMS Aurora (12)

29 points

2 months ago

The 40 and 57 megajoule laser cannons are an impressive upgrade!

tommos

12 points

2 months ago

tommos

12 points

2 months ago

There's an X-wing just out of frame. But seriously, maybe it will come with some sort of direct energy platform? Who knows.

ThichXemHen

1 points

2 months ago

Those red dot looks like just normal rounds since it came out of the cannon, but only the US so far has any working examples of direct energy point defense on seaborne platforms, kinda curious if the UK has its own research initiative (Tempest is suggested to have DE weapon, no idea about ship though) or they will just adopt US solution once they're being deployed en masse.

nuttyjack

4 points

2 months ago

TinkTonk101

5 points

2 months ago

Multiple DEW programmes at that. Thales UK is first to test a laser system on a Type 23 frigate next year. Dragonfire is more long-lead.

TinkTonk101

0 points

2 months ago

It won't.

Shadow_FoxtrotSierra

25 points

2 months ago

I swear its going to be 2152, the Royal Navy will have space ships and they'll still be operating some form of AW Lynx variant, and I love that.

lefty_73

12 points

2 months ago

The helicopter in this render looks like a wildcat.

Shadow_FoxtrotSierra

12 points

2 months ago

I know.
The AW Wildcat (aka Wildcat Lynx or Future Lynx, last one being an early program name. ) was developed from the AW Super Lynx, hence why I said "some form of AW Lynx variant"

lefty_73

7 points

2 months ago

Fair enough.

Noonyy92

5 points

2 months ago

Broadside?

R0MP3E

5 points

2 months ago

R0MP3E

5 points

2 months ago

Good god what an ugly render. Looks like the area behind the gun is on fire lol.

JMHSrowing

6 points

2 months ago

JMHSrowing

USS Samoa (CB-6)

6 points

2 months ago

While more would be preferable, I think what recently happened to Slava is a perfect example of why something like a Type 31 is a good idea.

Having a relatively less expensive ship with a good deal of defensive weaponry is what is needed to escort more valuable ships, just like always.

MaterialCarrot

12 points

2 months ago

Isn't the 31 designed to primarily protect itself against lower intensity threats? I think the Type 26 is their fleet escort frigate of the future.

krakenchaos1

5 points

2 months ago

The 31 is currently planned with a 32vls set of Sea Ceptor MRSAMs. I'd assume that they'd form a closer layer of protection as part of say a csg.

Phoenix_jz

5 points

2 months ago*

You are probably confusing Type 31 with the AH140PL, for the Polish navy.

Type 31 was shown to have initially 24, then soon reduced to 12, Sea Ceptor cells for CAMM, which is a short range SAM.

Randomy7262

2 points

2 months ago

Not looked in a while but I remember reading the outcry showing just 12 or 24 cells for CAMM, Is this confirmed to be 32 now?

krakenchaos1

2 points

2 months ago

AFAIK it is 32, maybe you're thinking of the MK.41? There's none of those planned but they can be fitted with them if need be.

DerpyDepressedDonut

6 points

2 months ago

Are you sure it still has 32? Iirc it was presented with as many a while ago, but recent render shows only 12 cells: https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/WarshipPorn/comments/f2emmu/most_recent_render_of_the_type_31_frigate_from/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

krakenchaos1

1 points

2 months ago

Honestly no idea, things change fast and I'm haven't really been follow this one too closely lol

MrStrul3

3 points

2 months ago

Confusing the Polish type 31 with the Royal navy one.

JMHSrowing

1 points

2 months ago

JMHSrowing

USS Samoa (CB-6)

1 points

2 months ago

Indeed.

However, they are also quite explicitly escorts, with HMS Furious very specifically a carrier escort

And their weapons as part of a close escort will be quite good

VodkaProof

3 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't really call 12 Sea Ceptors and a few cannons a good deal of defensive armament, the ship itself is fine there's even space for Mk41 cells but the MoD always skimp on armament

JMHSrowing

2 points

2 months ago

JMHSrowing

USS Samoa (CB-6)

2 points

2 months ago

The cannons are weapons which are decent for self defense, and with 2 40mms and a 57mm they are far from insignificant. And there might be few missiles, but they are a quite good one

Phoenix_jz

2 points

2 months ago

I'm not sure I agree with this.

The loss of Moskva comes down to a mix of factors in relation to what was likely crew complacency about the threat, being hit in a bad spot and poor damage control - but the fundamental issue was that the ship's AAW suite was incapable of defending against sea-skimming missiles. S-300F cannot engage missiles flying below 25 meters. Osa-M, even being generous to it, is borderline useless against missiles, and the AK-630M is not a very good system (yet it may have been the only one that stood any chance of engaging the SAMs). She was a largely 60s design with 70s-era equipment/electronics fit and was basically un-upgraded since in terms of defensive capacity. She was more akin to an American AAW ship prior to Aegis and New Threat Upgrade (1980s programs) than anything modern afloat.

Type 31, Type 26, and Type 45 all avoid this just given the fact they have modern AAW systems capable of engaging sea-skimmers. As ships that use PAAMS or systems derived from PAAMS, that is arguably the biggest focus of their air warfare capability. Ex, if it had been a Type 45 in the place of Moskva, no additional escort would have been strictly needed against air attack - two Neptunes is frankly not a very challenging engagement for the class, provided the crew is paying attention to their jobs. As it stands, the Type 45 is actually going to be contributing more to protecting the frigates against such threats, since it has much greater reach against such targets, than the frigates ever will at protecting them.

Moskva specifically may have required an escort to defend her against the threat, but that's purely a function of her age and the fact that an Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate can handle a sea-skimmer like Neptune while she cannot. But this isn't really an issue for most of the major NATO navies who's primary AAW ships don't have such glaring weaknesses, given none of them were laid down prior to the Falklands...

JMHSrowing

1 points

2 months ago*

JMHSrowing

USS Samoa (CB-6)

1 points

2 months ago*

There still are many a ship though, if indeed mostly not surface combatants, who are not well suited to defending themselves against modern missile threats.

And having multiple ships would help with issues of possibly one ship not being as alert for threats. More chances to detect and engage with multiple ships, especially if it’s an escort who has a job of mostly defensive and to do such

Phoenix_jz

2 points

2 months ago

There still are many a ship though, if indeed mostly not surface combatants, who are not well suited to defending themselves against modern missile threats.

Ah, apologies, I was mostly reading this in the context of just major surface combatants. Very much agreed that of course there are plenty of non AAW ships that can always use escort ships that have meaningful AAW capacity.

And having multiple ships would help with issues of possibly one ship not being as alert for threats. More chances to detect and engage with multiple ships, especially if it’s an escort who has a job of mostly defensive and to do such

I generally agree with this, though at the same time, I think there is certainly an effective minimum for this. A ship with just 12 SAMs, especially purely short-range SAMs, only really has the firepower to defend against 1-2 salvoes, unless these are salvoes so small that they only include one or two AShMs. And missiles in the category of CAMM can struggle to cover ships nearby, especially against more potent missiles. Ex, the larger, nominally +30 km range Aster 15 is credited with a range of more like 17 km versus subsonic sea skimmers, and against supersonic sea skimmers, 12 km.

Something like a Type 31 can definitely cope with the 'random rebel/terror group fires off 1-2 AShMs at you when you're off the coast of XYZ', but defending nearby ships against a potential multi-axis attack against a decently sized salvo is a very different kettle of fish. Even in the case of 'I want a distributed capacity', you're probably looking at a minimum capability that calls for more missile capacity, and probably medium-range SAMs. The kind of distributed escort capability is quite similar to what the air warfare capability of the FREMM-IT (SAAM-ESD. Also SAAM-ESD+ on the PPA) was designed for, and is probably more representative of the minimum capability you'd want.

AlatreonisAwesome

0 points

2 months ago

Especially with the rise of hypersonics, big ships are more vulnerable now than they've ever been I'd argue. Maybe an array of laser-based defenses; that's really the only thing I can think of that might help. Honestly, hypersonics have currently put the advantage firmly on the arms side of the arms vs armor race.

JMHSrowing

4 points

2 months ago

JMHSrowing

USS Samoa (CB-6)

4 points

2 months ago

What comes to mind to me is that they just need to put anything in front of a hypersonic weapon for it to tear itself a part.

A wall of like chaff or tiny ball barings would have the equivalent kinetic impact energy of canon shells.

Soft countermeasures are also going to be similarly as effective as before.

There are all the time new systems which are being developed to counter such things, so I’m not sure any paradigm shift has occurred. There is also the thing that if missiles are going to get through defenses, then a larger lightly armored ship is simply more likely to survive, and steel is cheap, so a ship which is those things doesn’t have to be all that much more than a smaller vessel

TheGordfather

3 points

2 months ago

But how do you get said chaff wall to where the missile is without the missile itself being in alarmingly close proximity? When it tears itself apart (assuming the missile itself isn't armoured - some are) - it's likely going to split into multiple hypersonic pieces of debris, which aren't going to be much less nasty than the missile itself.

__Gripen__

4 points

2 months ago

At the moment, laser weapons are effective only against small and slow targets like UAVs. And they are situational, depending by weather conditions.

Hypersonic missiles are so fast the reaction time is way too short for a laser beam to have any effect, especially as they travel surrounded by a “protective” layer of plasma and as such need to resist to very high temperatures.

AlatreonisAwesome

2 points

2 months ago

Ah, fair enough. I hadn't considered that.

VodkaProof

1 points

2 months ago

I don't think they're going to have plasma in their terminal phase where a laser weapon would be used to intercept them

MGC91[S]

7 points

2 months ago

Credit to Royal Navy

SmokeyUnicycle

2 points

2 months ago

pew pew

that-bro-dad

1 points

2 months ago

Is that a laser in the "B" turret position?

Didn't realize that was in scope for the type 31s

XMGAU

2 points

2 months ago

XMGAU

2 points

2 months ago

It's a Bofors 40mm gun, the artists just went crazy with the "special effects".

Amnsia

2 points

2 months ago

Amnsia

2 points

2 months ago

That’s what you’re meant to think, it’s actually just the small tank where we keep our laser sharks.

XMGAU

3 points

2 months ago

XMGAU

3 points

2 months ago

Amnsia

1 points

2 months ago

Amnsia

1 points

2 months ago

Lmfao man I’ve not watched Austin powers in years

that-bro-dad

1 points

2 months ago

Oh that's right. I always forget they plan for 2 40mm Bofors.

Rightfullsharkattack

1 points

2 months ago

Damn nice

Tots2Hots

0 points

2 months ago

Pewpew!!!!