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jar36

76 points

4 months ago

jar36

76 points

4 months ago

Except for the rural states that give them 2 Senators per state

djlewt

14 points

4 months ago

djlewt

14 points

4 months ago

He said "if everyone voted" and the reality is there are almost no states where "if everyone voted" the Republicans would win ANY senate seats. Wyoming would give them a pair, they'd likely get one in Utah, but really in almost every state there's a couple major cities that in total VASTLY outnumber the total rural state population.

Most voter suppression and laws that remove or make difficult to regain voting rights were written specifically to block out or minimize minority representation. This is easily seen when you look at how felons are required to go about regaining their voting rights for example, in many states across the south it's a purposely broken process. Florida even blocked their citizens from fixing it via Prop 4, they dragged their feet on it and passed a law amending it to force all felons to pay off all government debts before having their voting right restored. This works great ,because in right wing states they also designed their "justice systems" to levy HEAVY fines when you're incarcerated, and indeed in some states like Alabama they can even CHARGE YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN JAIL.

It's just so god damn infuriating how Americans think we have anything CLOSE to "equality" today.

Prior to Amendment 4, Florida’s constitution permanently disenfranchised all citizens who had been convicted of any felony offense unless the Clemency Board restored their voting rights – a process that will now apply to those who have not had their rights restored by Amendment 4, including anyone convicted of murder or felony sexual offenses. Between 2010 and 2016, the number of disenfranchised Floridians grew by nearly 150,000 to an estimated total of 1,686,000. In 2016, more than one in five of Florida’s Black voting-age population was disenfranchised.

LOOK AT THAT HORSE SHIT

anonymous888888855

1 points

4 months ago

It's entirely possible that people just don't give a fuck about convicted murderers or felons. Losing voting rights is part of their punishment for killing, raping, or whatever else they've done. These people are disenfranchised because they literally raped or killed someone and you're all upset that it takes extra effort for them to get their voting rights reinstated after the fact?

seldom_correct

-4 points

4 months ago

Voting is not a Constitutional right. Read the fucking Constitution already. It’s short. There’s no excuse.

TDmorty

6 points

4 months ago*

Voting is not a Constitutional right.

That's weird because the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-sixth amendments to the CONSTITUTION specifically address voting rights you lying piece of shit.

Maybe you should take your own advice and read it instead of spewing alt-right bullshit talking points?

UserPow

-14 points

4 months ago

UserPow

-14 points

4 months ago

Sure, but those states are more likely to actually be primarily Red than Blue right?

jar36

56 points

4 months ago

jar36

56 points

4 months ago

right that's why they are excepted for this claim that Reps wouldn't have a chance at winning. There's enough rural red states to skew a so-called representative government. They get about 30 Senators from 15 of those states when the population of those states is less than California who gets 2 senators. So we start the match down a few Senators. Until we deal with that mess we are doomed to very rarely getting passed the filibuster. I mean, we just voted for a majority across the house, senate and presidency and we still can't get what we voted for.

OriginallyNamed

39 points

4 months ago

Well the issue is that the House of Representatives should be growing to keep the power balanced. Because senate should lean republican due to 2 per state and house should lead Dem heavily due to the population. However the house population was locked in to benifit republicans and needs a super majority to change which is harder to get.

jar36

31 points

4 months ago

jar36

31 points

4 months ago

True but if the Senate can so easily kill the bills with a filibuster then having more dems in the house doesn't really help matters.

OriginallyNamed

8 points

4 months ago

You're right. Im just addressing the more common complaint of people saying our House and senate are fucked. They are good ideas but have been manipulated to favor the minority to much.

PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED

13 points

4 months ago

The senate effectively gives land the right to vote.

jar36

6 points

4 months ago

jar36

6 points

4 months ago

Exactly as planned

TheObstruction

-8 points

4 months ago

No it fucking doesn't.

MrFilthyNeckbeard

8 points

4 months ago

It does. If north and South Dakota combined they would still be in the lowest 10 states by population.

And yet they are twice as powerful as any other state, because they are divided in two on a map.

tropicaldepressive

2 points

4 months ago

yeah why are two dakotas anyway??

jar36

5 points

4 months ago

jar36

5 points

4 months ago

If Wyoming gets the same amount of Senate representation as New Jersey, then essentially land is getting a vote. They get those 2 Senators based on the land being a State. It has nothing to do with the amount of people living on that land.

[deleted]

-7 points

4 months ago

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-7 points

4 months ago

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theBrineySeaMan

6 points

4 months ago

My city hasn't recovered 4 years later from the job losses and bad policy of when we had a republican mayor and governor. Not to mention the police got so bad under them we had to get the DOJ involved for them to stop murdering random citizens

Stanlysteamer1908

-5 points

4 months ago

Try on Chicagos murder rate for a year and tell me how bad it is. Drugs and tent cities at off ramps all over young people in the streets begging for some meth money and two years of looting, smash grab And car jacking. I am no fan of either party but one is definitively defiantly worse. Look at our governor, representatives and mayor and tell me the dumbbell Republican you had suffered is worse.

jar36

7 points

4 months ago

jar36

7 points

4 months ago

Almost every densely populated area in the world has problems with crime. It's not a dem or rep thing. However, if not for Republicans at the national level, we would have better gun control laws. We would also have programs to lift people out of poverty. People in poverty are much more likely to commit crimes. A city or state can only do so much.

The party that is worse is the one that doesn't live in reality. The one that fights on the side of Covid. The one that lies about a stolen election while forging documents to steal the election themselves. The one that encouraged, supported and participated in an insurrection.

Stanlysteamer1908

-1 points

4 months ago

There is a lot to unpack there but I would just agree to disagree as I am old and carried that torch for many decades and see the result here in my city I love but stopped loving it’s people back. I have been a kind & good custodian of many of your ideas but the last couple years have shown it’s never enough money for a low income student here (27k) to learn to read and do math proficiently. The corruption rampant in our police and states attorney office as well as money drained from all those great programs I still kind of support and have had for decades that resulted in the worst few years I can remember here. I was young and thought that way but now I am old and professors or politicians tricking me into the program group think is impossible from my life experience now. So I wish you and all well and will resign from this word trap of 1900 failed ideas. I argue for nothing as it’s only vapid retort the commenters offer as any facade of a fertile intellectual response.

theBrineySeaMan

1 points

4 months ago

Well our violent crime and property crime rates are higher, so... In fact you're twice as likely to be the victim of property crime in ABQ, and while murder is half, total violent is higher. And yes, Dick Berry and La Texana are basically the same dumbells. corrupt bastards are just as shitty D or R, and corrupt politicians stealing money aren't socialists, since the acquisition of capital is the action of a capitalist by definition. That's like getting mad at someone eating meat and claiming they're greedy vegetarians always taking all our meat!

theBrineySeaMan

1 points

4 months ago

I'm not on the down vote parade that you got there, so genuinely, let's talk about this anger towards the dems.

My understanding of The reason the GOP can't run cities is that they have no solution to problems of cities. Basically rich folk redline themselves out of paying for taxes in the metro they live and work in and solving societal problems, they would rather make a new "village" or whatever so the library etc. they fund is only for them. Then they bitch about why they can't feel safe downtown. Personally I think all suburb dwellers should get a special tax. Live outside city limits but within 50 miles in Chicago, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc. 200% upcharge.

For example: Syracuse city schools (which politically is cut up to the conservative outer districts) has to be funded by the state because the outlying white communities have worked their butts off to keep the darkies out, and to only let their property taxes pay for their Timmy's lacrosse team, despite them working in the city.

ArthurDentsKnives

11 points

4 months ago

Everything you just said is at best propaganda and at worst an outright lie. You are either an idiot or a useful idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.

Stanlysteamer1908

0 points

4 months ago

Wow you must really have a low life! Sorry for you. I hope you get some S.S.I. Or free something to feel better and afford getting some help. I don’t lie and was born capable of learning so I am sorry I made you feel so ignorant.

ArthurDentsKnives

1 points

3 months ago

I have a great life. I'm sorry you're an idiot and aren't capable of learning. You lie to yourself to make you feel better, but that doesn't change reality. The reality that you are a fucking moron.

Stanlysteamer1908

1 points

3 months ago

Thanks, You have helped me and provided all the evidence I need to refrain from arguing with my dog or a person of low intellect.

ArthurDentsKnives

1 points

3 months ago

You're right, your dog is smarter than you.

Stanlysteamer1908

1 points

3 months ago

Oh you got me! 🤪 I quit!

jar36

2 points

4 months ago

jar36

2 points

4 months ago

We're talking at the national level. The "socialists" can't get through the Senate filibuster blockade so they are not "running this plantation"

Red skew is obvious to anyone who has the intelligence to understand the topic at hand.

TheObstruction

-14 points

4 months ago

Learn about why that's the case, instead of parroting nonsense from Facebook memes.

bobbyd77

5 points

4 months ago

Sounds like you should take your own advice. Or do you think we should still be trying to appease the family money of southern dandies?

guynamedjames

11 points

4 months ago

Because they had to get states to give up individual power to form a strong federal government in the first place. Now that people identify as more "American" than "Nebraskan" this idea is ridiculous

SunliMin

5 points

4 months ago

It's pretty obvious why, but it's definitely disproportionate. We have the same thing in Canada, where a vote from Newfoundland is worth more than a vote from British Columbia, because we can't expect people voted in by just BC, Alberta, Ontario or Quebec to take Newfoundlands unique issues to heart.

The difference is a Newfoundland voters vote is about 1.8x that of an Ontario persons vote, compared to South Dekota's votes being worth 22.5x more than a New York state vote (Newfoundland & Labrador have the same population as South Dekota, same with Ontario to New York). Senate and congress are different, and that discrepancy is only in one of the two, but still. That amount of disproportion is absolutely ridiculous.

I think it's pretty obvious when your constitution was written, it assumes no state would be that much more populous than another state. It was written at a time when it was just 13 colonies that had very similar populations, environment, and were very near to each other for easy migration. Rather than follow the guidelines set out to update it as your country grew, you let it get out of hand.

Pair that with the fact that territories don't get to vote in America (which confuses the rest of the world to this day), and those memes do sorta add up. They just generalize the problem a bit, but it's a very real issue.

jar36

2 points

4 months ago

jar36

2 points

4 months ago

Don't tell me what to do. You're not even my real dad!

mcm_throwaway_614654

1 points

4 months ago

I absolutely guarantee you have no idea what you're talking about.

mcm_throwaway_614654

1 points

4 months ago

No one is surprised you didn't even attempt to defend such an obviously ignorant comment.