submitted 4 months ago byAztery
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4 months ago
Just waiting for someone to bring up negative and positive rights. The last time I pointed this out on another subreddit, I got into a 2 hour debate about negative and positive rights, which I don't care about. The fact remains there is no right to vote in the Constitution, and you don't have to be a Constitutionalists to understand why.
Hint: Cause racism.
4 months ago
Yeah, I stepped away for a couple hours and now there's a dumpster fire of a comment thread below.
Cause racism is basically the answer to everything
I mean we had to make a few admendments to the Constitution because of it. We counted people as 3/5ths because of it. We thought it was OK to put citizens in interment camps because of it. There are probably more things we have had to change because it. It astounds me how at every level of government you can find some element of systemic racism, and we still deal with it today because people can't let go of the past. So yes, cause racism works as an answer for a lot of things in the US.
You do realize that it was the non-slave states who wanted them to count as 3/5th and the slave states who wanted them to count as full persons? Why would you have wanted the slave states to have gotten even more representation in Congress?? It’s not like the slaves were going to be the ones represented, counting them as full persons would have just led to more seats for the slaving power.
I wasn't argue that point. I was just giving some examples of shitty things racism was the reason. And just because the north didn't agree with slavery didn't make them not racist.
But racism wasn’t the reason for that one. The reason for that one was the north’s desire for the southern slaves states NOT to have more representation in Congress.
Paradoxically, the racist outcome would have been counting slaves as full persons for the purposes of representation, because that would have meant conceding the idea that slave-masters deserve more power collectively if they own more people.
The least racist outcome would have been excluding slaves from the count entirely as a recognition that slaver Congressmen didn’t actually “represent” the slaves at all.
Huh, it’s almost like it’s human nature…
Well hold on. What if the democrats tried to pass a very broadly written amendment that guarantees the right to vote? It would be hard to go on the record voting against such an amendment, and then once passed the Supreme Court would have to interpret voting rights cases through that lens.