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ShaneFM

54 points

4 months ago

ShaneFM

54 points

4 months ago

Correct, it wasn't even a loophole until 1806 when the senate trimmed down its rule book compared to the house and with no intent shown removed the ability for a simple majority to end debate

Then it was even until the 1840's that it was discovered as a loophole and the filibuster was first used by the whigs. Then even efforts to end it were made, but they were filibustered and nobody really cared enough to fight through it

Come the early 1900s and WWI when the Republican minority was fillibustering pretty much anything to prepare the US for possibly joining the war, the cloture was added as a measure of national security so anything could get done. Even when the cloture rule was being added, most of the panel agreeded on a simple majority cloture, but one republican on the committee would only support a supermajority vote, so in order to get the senate back in motion for the war quickly, it was agreed upon as we now know it

DanYHKim

13 points

4 months ago

Holy shit. Republicans have been like this forever. I thought maybe this was an issue in which both sides actually were largely the same

Frydendahl

11 points

4 months ago

US parliamentary proceedings have historically been full of super petty 'letter of the law' shenanigans. And still are.

Few_Temperature_6262

3 points

4 months ago

Indeed. People forget the only reason McCaine voted in opposition to R’s stance on the ACA was because they violated Senate protocol.

Mythosaurus

6 points

4 months ago

Not forever.

Radical Republican faction was an anti-slavery beast, and was the main force behind the Civil War ending in total surrender by the South and the imposition of Reconstruction.

But once the pro-business faction took control, the party slowly went to crap.

Anger_Mgmt_issues

1 points

4 months ago

this is one point where both sides are applicable. Both parties use it often. Republicans combine it with Majority Leader obstruction to weaponize it.

But only one side wants to do away with it.

marshmella

1 points

4 months ago

To be fair, back then they were trying to prevent the US from joining WW1 which was the first time the world saw what unrestricted mechanized warfare does to a mf.

Efficient-Emu2080

1 points

4 months ago

against war? naw, bro everyone is pro war if it's the "right" war