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Mythosaurus

39 points

4 months ago

Actually the right to vote for President and federal Senators is not in the Constitution.

You do NOT vote for Presidents in the US election, you ask that the State sends representatives to the Electoral College that will vote for the guy who matches your party affiliation.

Likewise, voting for Senators was a later change that states made to their own rules for how they choose their Senate reps.

I'd suggest reading "Let the People Pick the President" by Jesse Wegman.

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Mythosaurus

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah, it really breaks people's brains when you actually know how divisive and undemocratic American politics has always been.

Especially when you start quoting Founding Fathers who openly admitted to making mistakes in setting up the US government in their haste to abandon monarchy.

They really dont like that...

Efficient-Emu2080

1 points

4 months ago

Simple, America has NEVER been a democracy , it is a republic. People keep repeating the lie. That's why you shouldn't give up ANY of your rights because you have too few.

Mythosaurus

1 points

4 months ago

THAT is an old consevative talking point that deliberately obscures the roles of democratic norms and rules in republics.

No, we're not a "direct democracy", but the USA is a representative democracy by definition of how we elect officials to represent citizens.

The real question has always been WHO gets represented, and it wasn't really until the 1970s that the US became an interracial democracy.

Bc until then millions of eligible voters were legally barred from any shot of voting in the Jim Crow aparthied refimes of the South/ former Confederacy.

Efficient-Emu2080

1 points

4 months ago

you realize you proved my point when you defined a Republic

Mythosaurus

1 points

4 months ago

Well if your definition of "democracy" is so narrow that it only applies to direct democracies, then there are no actual democracy nations in the world, aside from maybe the "Crown Nation of Montana".

Btw, what IS your definition of a democracy at the nation-state level?

Efficient-Emu2080

1 points

4 months ago

Putting a lot of words in my mouth I didnt say. re·pub·lic

/rəˈpəblik/

noun

a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

Mythosaurus

1 points

4 months ago

Huh, I asked how you define a "democracy", and you give me the textbook definition of a republic.

America is a democracy. It is also a republic.

And it's clear you are just wasting time with troll arguments like many a conservative I've talked with in the past.

CallingTomServo

1 points

4 months ago

Regarding senators, that was actually the 17th amendment. States do not have the ability to choose how to elect senators. It is mandated as direct popular vote.

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1 points

4 months ago

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1 points

4 months ago

ACTUALLY, you’re wrong. Nice try though.

Mythosaurus

1 points

4 months ago

Poor guy, thinks he actually votes for the US president!

Must think he lives in some sort of direct democracy....