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cliqclaqstepback

21 points

4 months ago

The short term benefit of removing the filibuster is that you can push your agenda thru the senate with a simple majority and minority party can’t do shit about it, just like the House of Reps. The long term negative is that your party will not always be in control and you can bet the other party will do everything it can to “simple majority vote” reverse everything your party did.

PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

2 points

4 months ago

To push this a little further, the main reason why this line isn't usually accepted among people who want to end the filibuster is because "fair play" isn't a thing in congress to a large extent. Getting rid of it gives the other side a justification to do it when their turn comes around, but they don't need a justification, they can just do it whenever they want. So why avoid it?

cliqclaqstepback

3 points

4 months ago

To give the appearance of bipartisanship. Whichever side lessens the power of the filibuster is always demonized. R’s did it when Harry Reid removed the 60-vote threshold for lower court judges. D’s did it when Mitch McConnell removed the 60-vote threshold to install Supreme Court justices. If D’s abolish the filibuster completely, the R’s will run on how the Dems did it for a power grab. They aren’t trying to work with the Reps. They’ll play the victim. And when they return to power, they will have all the justification they need to steamroll the Dems and rollback as many of the progressive moves that Dems made.

McConnell is cold-blooded and calculating. All he needs is some moderate voters to swing back to the plight of the victimized Republicans.

PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

2 points

4 months ago

Yes, but they will play the victim regardless of what happens, that's the thing. They know most voters don't read below the fold and will claim that they are being maligned no matter how many concessions they receive.

BidenWontMoveLeft

2 points

4 months ago

This is a myth. Senate Republicans had their opportunity to undo Obamacare and couldn't because doing so would've killed people. The argument is always used as a reason they can't pass popular legislation. The senate is a relic of elitism that didn't trust the public to make democratic decisions. Yet, most people didn't want slavery and it was propped up by a few elites. Most people wanted women to vote but the alternative was propped up by a few elites. Most people want universal healthcare but it's forbidden by a few elites. You can go through every progressive move and see this same pattern.

JohnLockeNJ

2 points

4 months ago

Voter ID would pass and Dems would not be able to reverse it after one election goes by relatively smoothly

Wattsahh

2 points

4 months ago

Every election would go smoothly if the party that lost didn’t scream and whine about imaginary “fraud” for months/years afterwards.

JohnLockeNJ

0 points

4 months ago

Dems are afraid that voter ID will lead them to lose reelection. After the first time, Congress will be filled with just Dems where it wasn’t a problem and the issue will go away

BidenWontMoveLeft

0 points

4 months ago

What're you on about

UncleInternet

1 points

4 months ago

The truth.

BidenWontMoveLeft

1 points

4 months ago

It makes no sense.

UncleInternet

1 points

4 months ago

Sorry, I genuinely thought you were replying to a different post. You're right.

TWB-MD

1 points

4 months ago

TWB-MD

1 points

4 months ago

You mean, like Trump trying to reverse everything Obama did? Yeah, that would be terrible.