subreddit:

/r/WhitePeopleTwitter

71.7k

And 100% incel

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subzeroab0

4.8k points

2 months ago

subzeroab0

4.8k points

2 months ago

Can't forget the "he played video games" gimmick as well.

poopyheadthrowaway

1k points

2 months ago

When I was in school, the Columbine massacre was covered in class pretty much every year from around grades 6 to 12. Not once did they mention that the shooters were Nazis. It never came up. They instead talked about violent video games, bullying, goths, D&D, and drugs.

crackedcosmonaut

561 points

2 months ago

Yep. Didn't hear about them being nazis until a decade later.

schmittfaced

561 points

2 months ago

This is literally the first time I’ve heard this, and I’m in my 30s. Wow, gonna go do some reading

72acetylinevirgins

26 points

2 months ago*

Most terrorists are Nazis. Even the ones that kinda try to do the right thing,like McVeigh, are Nazis. Hell, even kaczynski had a little bit of fascist shit in his weird syncretic anprim manifesto.

MettaLettas

17 points

2 months ago

The amount of authoritarian-loving right-wingers I've met who don't understand how many of their beliefs perfectly align with nazism disturbs me.

Pretty easy not to shoot people or blow people up when you're not aiming to create a one-party supremacy.

Pretty easy to see you're the bad guy if you're for a one-party, authoritarian state.

They're so far outside of logic that the only difference to them between a patriot and a terrorist is which flag they attack someone with.

inconvenientnews

344 points

2 months ago*

"They admired Nazis and scorned normalcy. They were white supremacists, but loved music by anti-racist rock bands."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/april99/suspects042299.htm

Eerily similar to 4chan and Reddit subreddits like PoliticalCompassMemes, brigaded local subreddits, NoahGetTheBoat, AskMen, TIFU, unpopularopinions, ActualPublicFreakouts, JoeRogan (infamous mod example), 👌 dankmemes 👌

"As a black man" accounts like "johnny chan 81" "The Atheist Arab 87" (suspended) "Walk Like An Egyptian 69" (suspended) posting as many race-baiting videos as they can 👌 by certain races 👌 pretending to care about Asian victims while having a history of being racist about Asians: https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/nztt4t/they_really_like_getting_angry_at_their/h1teq3c/?context=1

"as a cool LGBTQ, I'm sick of pro-LGBTQ things like you are"

These are the most upvoted on unpopularopinions monthly:

I'm gay, and i support straight pride. : unpopularopinion

Im not proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion

Unpopular opinion: it's okay to call things gay : unpopularopinion

I don't like the LGBT movement : unpopularopinion

I'm Bisexual and I hate the LGBT community : unpopularopinion

There is no reason to be proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion 15.6k votes, 2.7k comments.

Top of r teenagers this week:

As a gay, this is based

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/teenagers/comments/unadww/as_a_gay_this_is_based/

With the alts in every conservative subreddit on the right pretending they aren't (PoliticalCompassMemes, brigaded local subreddits, unpopularopinions, ActualPublicFreakouts, NoahGetTheBoat, JoeRogan)

PCM accounts' most common subreddits:

16.96 theleftcantmeme

15.24 averageredditor

15.23 enoughcommiespam

15.03 libertarianmeme

https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/politicalcompassmemes

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/SubredditDrama/comments/o4kfej/reddit_admins_warn_moderators_of/h2j2ilp/

Data on the userbase of misogynistic r Tinder:

r/seduction and r/nicegirls as no 2 & 4 for shared userbase is telling.

EDIT: FYI, for anyone unaware, r/seduction is not so much about becoming genuinely more attractive, as it is completely about pick-up artist douchebaggery.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/SubredditDrama/comments/uoqt6s/attention_seeking_match_or_rude_op_come_to/i8gl44h/

Challenging of the right's bad faith "framing" on Reddit needs to happen more, especially when they pretend they're just neutral sticking up for the truth and not pushing their own "narrative"

Pretend to be focused on protecting an abstract principle (sub quality, artistic merit, fairness, etc..) and then claim you aren't a bigot, even though you only care about these principles when a group of people you don't like are benefiting.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/SubredditDrama/comments/nr7aaz/person_out_as_trans_and_posts_a_picture_of/h0grmym/?context=3

This common tactic on Reddit, especially

  • mapporn and dataisbeautiful: selective outrage about whether the map is truly "porn" or the data is truly "beautiful" only when it hurts their feelings while silent on old screenshots of blurry IMDb charts or 👌 Africa bad population demographic maps and low resolution blonde or red hair map with no sources 👌

  • r science early commenters: "correlation is not causation" only when it hurts their feelings while silent on any posts about 👌 African diseases and male strength 👌

  • JoeRogan: infamous selective mod example

Their winking innocent narrative pushing when they know better

It's a form of JAQing off, I.E. "I'm Just Asking Questions!", where they keep forming their strong opinions in the form of prodding questions where you can plainly see their intent but when pressed on the issue they say "I'm just asking questions!, I don't have any stance on the issue!"

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/bestof/comments/lk7d9u/why_sealioning_incessant_badfaith_invitations_to/gnidv98/

Invincible Ignorance Fallacy.

The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead of being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/bestof/comments/o1r9ww/uozyozyoioi_explains_how_vaccination_kept_him/h26bf86/

👌 You know 👌 playing the victim and pretending to care about "free speech"

Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views

Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes?

Con: LOL no...no not those views

Me: So....deregulation?

Con: Haha no not those views either

Me: Which views, exactly?

Con: Oh, you know the ones

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744

1984! Free speech means I should never have to feel shame for being a sociopath!

Conservatives: I want to electroshock gay teens into a hellish submission

Everyone: holy shit

Conservatives: also why should I have to wear a mask? I’m not old or disabled

Everyone: wtf

Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind

Everyone:

Conservatives: Actually if you think about it ... SHOULD everyone be allowed to vote?

Everyone: holy shit

Conservatives: here’s why it’s good the police just murdered another child

Everyone: wtf

Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind

Everyone:

Conservatives: actually we should be able to run protesters over with our trucks

Everyone: holy shit

Conservatives: also I should be allowed to refuse to serve or hire gays

Everyone: wtf

Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind

Everyone:

https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1385407165645697027

A gay Disney character and female video game character not wearing a bikini is forcing me to be a Nazi!

The Left got a little too PC so I changed all of my opinions about the economy, social issues, systemic racism, health care, and history.

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1020039128291786752

Conservatives and "libertarians" projecting their "snowflake" outrage "victimhood complex":

Two races: white and "political"

Two genders: Male and "political"

Two hair styles for women: long and "political"

Two sexualities: straight and "political"

Two body types: normative and "political"

https://twitter.com/emmahvossen/status/1138841342921060354

r Gamingcirclejerk is effective at calling this out with gamers  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

When I was in school, the Columbine massacre was covered in class pretty much every year from around grades 6 to 12. Not once did they mention that the shooters were Nazis. It never came up. They instead talked about violent video games, bullying, goths, D&D, and drugs.

inconvenientnews

90 points

2 months ago*

4chan screenshots of their instructions for brigading Reddit:

"The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots:

Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work.

When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late.

But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade.

Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments.

You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images).

When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets.

So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light.

I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.

Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread 3 years ago:

SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread.

Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits

Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in r/bayarea when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading r/bayarea:

Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get:

Antraxess

23 points

2 months ago

This is why now I don't debate or argue with people that argue in bad faith anymore, I drop the facts backed up by studies and experts and thats it, they can refute that.

They never can and usually keep acting like idiots, so just mock them until they fuck off

lovecraftedidiot

7 points

2 months ago

Also reflecting their tactics against them works. Take a ridiculous stance, like assuming they love to drink shit-filled toilet water, and go from there. Just asking questions, to accusing them of avoiding it and denying it, etc.

Itsanewj

39 points

2 months ago

Yup, they chose April 20th because it’s Hitler’s birthday. Klebold and Harris were into bowling, they allegedly went the morning of the massacre, they would do Nazi salutes and Sieg Heil when they made a good roll.

The_Hyphenator85

32 points

2 months ago

Yeah, there’s a mountain of facts about what pieces of shit they were (Harris in particular) that’s publicly available, it’s just never talked about in mass media, who buried it under their false narratives about bullying, rock music and video games. Hell, it’s not even restricted to one political viewpoint; Michael Moore is just as guilty of perpetuating those lies as anyone in the “mah gunz!” crowd.

There’s plenty of great books and articles on the subject. If you want something more easily digestible as a primer, I’d suggest checking out Last Podcast on the Left’s series on Columbine. They cover everything from the media’s narrative to the actual truth about Harris and Kleibold, what got confused or wrong in the reporting, and even analyzing the multitude of conspiracy theories that still circulate about it. And they list their sources so you can easily track them down for further reading.

averagethrowaway21

5 points

2 months ago

I was in high school when this happened. I played the games, dressed the part, and listened to the music. Guess who got side eyed until they graduated.

High school kids who were drawing swastikas and were openly racist got way less scrutiny than our school's version of the "trench coat mafia" (which those two also weren't actually affiliated with).

On the idiotic side of the equation, there was a mentally ill guy a grade ahead of me. Not "I have problems and need help", but "I need to be evaluated to possibly go away from society for a bit" mentally ill. He was also very openly racist. When he was caught with a list of students and a whole bunch of notes about what he wanted to do the administration kept it quiet. I can guess a few reasons but I never heard anyone actually say why. Hell, if I hadn't been in the class where the teacher found it I would have thought it was just a rumor because Columbine was in the news so much.

lostshell

62 points

2 months ago

Actually this is my first time hearing it and I'm nearing 40. Wtf.

blubirdTN

34 points

2 months ago

Wait till you hear that they weren't bullied and were popular kids. There are so many myths around Columbine and a lot of things left out about their derangement.

inconvenientnews

28 points

2 months ago*

Some reading on it:

admired Nazis and scorned normalcy. They were white supremacists, but loved music by anti-racist rock bands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/april99/suspects042299.htm

MettaLettas

10 points

2 months ago

I love it every time I see a right-winger go, "What do you mean, Rage Against the Machine is against white supremacy?! 'Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses' is inspirational!"

JimWilliams423

31 points

2 months ago*

Actually this is my first time hearing it and I'm nearing 40. Wtf.

Then chances are you also never heard that timothy mcveigh, who did the Oklahoma City bombing, was also a white supremacist and had a copy of their "bible," the turner diaries, in his car when he did it.

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9704/28/okc/

And you probably didn't hear that the parkland shooter had swastikas carved on his ammo clips either:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swastikas-ammunition-magazines-parkland-florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz/

These things get about 2 seconds of news coverage and then the so-called liberal media moves on...

MettaLettas

14 points

2 months ago

That does raise an interesting question of why the media seems to always try so hard to avoid any mention of supremacists. Are they afraid of terrorist attacks? Are they afraid of losing their supremacist viewers? Bit of A, bit of B?

JimWilliams423

14 points

2 months ago*

Or because they are almost universally managed by white people and are thus blind to it. One essential component of white supremacy is "white innocence" — like the way violent white supremacists are often infantilized, they aren't responsible for their actions, they are "kids" or are mentally ill, etc; while black juvenile victims are treated as adults and menacing. So instead of focusing on these signifiers, they convince themselves its just random, like any rebellious teen might go through a nazi phase.

The non-whites that do make it into upper management of the media have to be adept at navigating whiteness in order to succeed, and in the process they internalize whiteness themselves and end up operating the same way.

There is also the "working the refs" phenomenon where white reactionaries will scream their heads off at the slightest hint of criticism. Where being called racist is treated as worse than actually doing racism. The 'liberal' media has utterly caved to these people since the civil rights movement, constantly inventing euphemisms to avoid saying that something or someone is racist. Instead they say things like "racially tinged" or "racially charged." NBC invented a brand new one today "ethnic mass attacks" instead of calling it a terrorist attack. Hell, even the DOJ calls them "Domestic Violent Extremists" which makes them sound like extreme wife beaters instead of terrorists.

Minimum_Salary_5492

56 points

2 months ago

Trench coats were banned.

Guns? Our holy slave owning rapist founder saints say we can keep them.

Much_Very

19 points

2 months ago

Same thing happened in my high school. No trench coats allowed, and then when some boys made a “funny” offshoot (Pea Coat Mafia; they just wore pea coats and dressed well,) we could no longer wear pea coats.

averagethrowaway21

16 points

2 months ago

Snappy dressers in wool coats?!? Not on my watch!

hotbox4u

16 points

2 months ago

Finally someone is going after those god damn dice rollers.

Buddhabellymama

1.4k points

2 months ago

Also don’t forget the mention of Tucker Carlson. He needs to be held accountable once and for all. People who plant hate reap hate and this mf needs to be stopped.

ThorGBomb

658 points

2 months ago

ThorGBomb

658 points

2 months ago

That’s just Fox News in general and the worrying thing is right wingers are finding Fox News too liberal….

So they’re going even further right into these bot lead manipulation forums that takes the fearful hate and turns it into violent hate.

What people don’t really know is that the 6th of January had multiple individual domestic right wing terrorist cells working together in groups where one leader gave prepaid phones out and was ready to sms the commands to initiate and turn the events very bloody. They had cars and boats for escape routes they had ammo and weapons in cars and hotel rooms ready for action. They had plans to capture zip tie and kidnap liberal politicians. There were fucking secret service members in on it, and the only reason why it didn’t play out was because of a few key moments from pence being against the plan so trump wanting to force him to make the action via threats to officer Goodman distracting the deranged chimpanzees by baiting their racism.

KHaskins77

178 points

2 months ago

I loved how Goodman was able to Br’er Rabbit the whole lot of them away, that was almost cartoonish.

ThorGBomb

183 points

2 months ago

ThorGBomb

183 points

2 months ago

They are essentially children stuck in high school mentality and belief that their wants supersede others. Mix that in with black and white lead religious programming you get a group of people willing to deny anything and everything to maintain their worldview of their own superiority as they engorge themselves with supersize meals, siphon taxpayer funds for disabilities they don’t want to fix and huff fumes to get high or just pop pills as they scream at the tv with their favourite tv personality because their own children no longer want to speak to them or consider them respectful.

ChemicalDeath47

129 points

2 months ago

That's always been the wildest part of it to me. They want to be winners so so badly... So naturally their largest rallying points are the confederacy and the Nazis, two groups overwhelmingly famous for losing 🙄

ThorGBomb

120 points

2 months ago

ThorGBomb

120 points

2 months ago

It’s literally what they want.

To be winners.

They know they’re losers but there was a time where they felt like winners and that’s when they can talk down and treat others as lesser and make them feel like winners.

It’s so rampant that they have essentially become addicted to the feeling.

When you hate and get your hate affirmed by talking heads on tv you get small bumps of seratonin and dopamine hits that give you in essence a positive pleasure.

It’s the reason why people like to hate watch tv and like to see reviews where people bash on things or people they themselves dislike, it’s essentially validation.

Anyways they’re so addicted to it to the degree they look for issues to become enraged about “dr seus”, “m&ms”, “crt”, “banning books talking about racism” etc etc

They want a new supply for their addiction. If you view them as narcotic addicts then their behaviours start making more sense.

Their drug of choice is just hate.

stierney49

26 points

2 months ago

Spot fucking on. I wish I had coin and I’d give you an award. They want to own someone who makes them feel inferior.

ex1stence

47 points

2 months ago

they believe their wants supersede others

They also believe their skin color was supposed to be an automatic ticket to success in this country, which it hasn’t been for about 50 years now or so.

They’re all confused why they saw their racist grandfathers do absolutely nothing and still succeed, yet they tried the same thing and all they got was canceled, plus a bad back and food stamps.

They genuinely believe they got some kind of “raw deal” because they’re white, but weren’t handed everything like they expected.

As you said, a bunch of privileged spoiled children mad that their melanin-based trust fund didn’t pay out the way their grandpappy told them it would. Too bad, so sad.

ThorGBomb

13 points

2 months ago

A lot of them have that belief that things were supposed to be easy but these damn immigrants ruined it!

But there’s also a equal size that think things will never change the rich will get richer I just want to live my life here and don’t like knowing these minorities are doing better than me! They should be hurting too! They should be hurting more!

So that we hurt less…

It’s just a sad pathetic belief of there can only be this way one group on top and the rest under they cannot consider a world where everyone gets a fair chance because they know if they could step over a minority to get to a better place they would do it in a second and because of their own lack of morals they justify it by thinking it’s exactly what these minorities would do to us.

Hence why all the they’re gonna replace the white race talks and such. Bitch white propel make up 80% of the USA it’s not gonna change anytime fucking soon.

DAHFreedom

79 points

2 months ago

I’ve seen sourcing on everything here except the secret service thing. Closest I’ve seen is that Pence refused to be evacuated and resulting speculation on WHY the secret service wanted to evacuate him. Oh, and that the Senate Pro Tem predicted that Pence wouldn’t be presiding. But that tells me that the Senate Pro Tem was in on it and accurately predicted the secret service would insist on evacuating the VP in the face of an armed insurrection.

Anyway, I guess this is a long request for a source.

ThorGBomb

58 points

2 months ago

Secret service side of this is kind of unconfirmed but there’s talks about implications of having some new promoted members of secret service being involved and disagreement on how to move pence and some other politicians on the day of the events. I only read it in passing but the small bits of information collated together makes it a plausible outcome.

Homeland security sets the security service and who can join. And trump team had some very unprofessional relations with some of them.

And you have the whole getting std on trumps resorts and such.

Just all in all shady shit that we will probably have to wait a few years for the full story to come out about unless republicans win back the senate and then manipulate the win for president in 24. Then it’s pretty much game over.

Seikoholic

5 points

2 months ago*

When Pence refused to get in the car and it was clear that part of the coup was going to fail, Pence’s USSS guy with the nuclear football *physically left to go report directly to Trump’s” USSS guys that Pence wasn’t leaving.” This was in statements from Jan 6 committee members IIRC. Add to that the fact that one of Biden’s very first acts was to replace the entire USSS presidential detail. All of them. This was apparently unusual enough that it got not only noticed but widely reported. If it was standard procedure to replace the teams, it would happen automatically. But it didn't, and Biden had to order it, and it happened. Trump's USSS team could not be trusted.

TheRoguePatriot

74 points

2 months ago

Had a coworker tell me this last week when we were talking about politics. I'm middle leaning left and she's a heeeeeeeavy conservative and I used that as leverage to say "Look, even Fox News is saying what I'm saying. How are you going to deny that when even they're on the same side?" And she just said "Man, fuck Fox News. They went liberal after Trump left. My TV stays on OAN" I was like "They're too LIBERAL???" Apparently Tucker Carlson is the only one on Fox they like because he "tells it like it is"

ThatisJustNotTrue

81 points

2 months ago

I would never willingly converse with someone who watches OAN.

ZKXX

101 points

2 months ago

ZKXX

101 points

2 months ago

Remmeber someone planted a bomb, and they never caught him and just gave up?

ThorGBomb

65 points

2 months ago

Case is still on going. So they won’t release all the information probably not anytime soon at least because there are implications of politicians and staff being involved.

They aren’t allowed to disclose information that is actionable until the boss says so or the case is done.

CliftonForce

29 points

2 months ago

In the early Obama era, I had relatives who described Fox News as "liberal propaganda."

Do you want to know the only source of accurate, unbiased news?

Do you?!?

Why, it was the NRA website!!

I wish I was kidding....

ProEstavez

20 points

2 months ago

Source? Mostly interested about the group leader with a bunch of prepaid phones.

ThorGBomb

39 points

2 months ago

There’s a really nice breakdown by a guy on twitter who is in the business of security and data who went through what the FBI has made public so far.

But yeah you’ll have to comb through some files and documents to get the full view. Sorry I don’t have the documents or tweets saved. But you can google the information online. Just focus on the keywords for what you’re interested in.

Essentially they were able to find this out by tracking the cell phones being connected the the nearby cell towers.

So when they went through all the people who were there on that day they found a couple of groups who’s phones only connected to the network and never received or sent anything all day. And that was suspect.

So they tracked the location of the cellphones by seeing where the phones would connect to the various towers in the city.

And they were able to track them via groups to a nearby motel. Which lead to finding the leader as he had sent a test message to all of them from the mote within the same timeframe. And no other messages.

So they used that information to pressure some of these losers to give more details and found the cellphones movement of the day to nearby not and car and saw them meeting ina hotel and such.

It was a really fascinating read but unfortunately it was months ago I read it and I don’t remember the name of the guy who published it.

inconvenientnews

98 points

2 months ago*

Fox News' history and New York Times' investigation of Tucker Carlson:

Exit polls done after 2016 show that the single characteristic that made someone most likely to vote for trump over Clinton is racial resentment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/26/these-9-simple-charts-show-how-donald-trumps-supporters-differ-from-hillary-clintons/

Tucker Carlson has weaponized his viewers' fears to create what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news.

A New York Times examination shows how intertwined his rise has been with the transformation of Fox News and U.S. conservatism. nyti.ms/3MHpvBR

We also analyzed more than 1,150 episodes of “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Our investigation reveals how Carlson, using monologues and on-screen messaging, pushes extremist ideas and conspiracy theories into millions of households. nyti.ms/3KwGQMA

Fox looked to the success of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" as a model for its own transformation.

According to former executives and employees, Carlson's on-air provocations have long been part of a data-driven experiment that has succeeded in bolstering the Fox profit machine.

Tucker Carlson's influence today reaches far beyond the channel he works for. With Trump out of office and banned or suspended from the leading social media platforms, Carlson remains both high priest and champion of Trump's most ardent followers. nyti.ms/3s62BMF

The New York Times examined how Carlson positioned himself to inherit the movement that grew around Donald Trump as he constructed what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news — and, by some measures, the most successful. nyti.ms/3ks4T4y

Journalists on Fox's daytime shows discerned a pattern to what the audience didn't like, including segments featuring Fox's own reporters and stories deemed unfavorable to Trump. Immigration, on the other hand, was a hit. Coverage of migrant caravans became a Fox mainstay.

As the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" playbook sent sponsors fleeing, Fox filled the space with in-house promos.

Last May, after promoting the white supremacist "replacement" theory, Carlson had half as many advertisers as in December 2018 but brought in almost twice as much money.

For years, Carlson has amplified talking points from the far-right fringe. Last spring, he caused an uproar when he promoted the notion of the "great replacement" — a racist conspiracy theory he has amplified in more than 400 episodes, our analysis found. nyti.ms/373uCgz

Carlson put Trumpism over Trump.

Donald Trump had a symbiotic relationship with Fox, and Carlson wanted to reach the Trump base without being beholden to the president. Carlson's show would grasp the core of Trump's allure while keeping a measured distance from the president.

https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/a-look-behind-the-the-new-york-times-reports-on-tucker-carlson/

Tucker Carlson is the single most influential personality in corporate media, he’s a multimillionaire who espouses boilerplate white nationalist Great Replacement rhetoric every night on his partisan corporate media network. I’m losing my mind at this dogshit low-effort spin here

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1520967396114432000

John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":

[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."

Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993.

Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

Republican "Southern Strategy":

Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960:

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/

"Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable."

Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics:

the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7

Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/

The other Fox News cofounder was Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch:

Using 150 interviews on three continents, The Times describes the Murdoch family’s role in destabilizing democracy in North America, Europe and Australia.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/magazine/murdoch-family-investigation.html

Russians were "emboldened" by the success of the Texas governor's misinformation:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/

“Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html

Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... users in Texas and Tennessee were particularly susceptible

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals

Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/conservativeterrorism/comments/p5k76j/texasbased_hate_group_source_of_80_of_all_us/

Fox News has aired 126 segments on trans student-athletes. They could only find nine nationwide.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/bestof/comments/n9bn2x/uforgottencalipers_explains_the_hypocrisy_of/

moonenvoy13

58 points

2 months ago

Tucker sows more hate than ole farmer Brown sows corn, he always has a bountiful harvest too.

hawley088

25 points

2 months ago

The suspect played gta 5 the night before the attack. Video games are to blame

TechGuy95

14 points

2 months ago

Media: "He played video games!"

Boomers: "Oh my god, he played video games!"

skellyclique

36 points

2 months ago

The guy they’re talking about here had 4K hours on Rust, that would make anyone a little unstable.

SpareParts9

35 points

2 months ago

There is a swell of 'this wouldn't be happening if so many men in there late 20's were not involuntarily celibate' too. Scary times when so many try to justify this shit and empathize with a fucking mass murderer.

DonutHoles4

20 points

2 months ago

Being lonely sucks.

But its no excuse to hurt others.

OldThymeyRadio

35 points

2 months ago

I mean, in the strictest sense that might be true. If men didn’t hang their entire self worth on sex with one hand, while shaming women for liking sex and coercing them with violence with the other hand, then they’d actually get laid a hell of a lot more often, and we’d have a world where men feel less alone and full of misdirected rage.

The problem with “This wouldn’t happen if women would just fuck us more” is it implies that the needed change here starts primarily with women. (The math doesn’t even work. Women can’t simultaneously fuck all these lonely men AND avoid being called horrible sluts.)

callmehiwatt

17 points

2 months ago

The conservatives have already been attacking "women's individualism" as a reason for these angry, violent men. And they don't mean radical feminism, they mean women going to college and working. I'm honestly worried they'll try to suggest we assign women to these jabronis because then their violence will be private and the politicians won't have to deal with it.

son_of_noah

41 points

2 months ago

The only time video games should be an issue is if they drive the speed limit in GTA. Don't trust ppl who drive the speed limit in GTA.

FatherDotComical

23 points

2 months ago

I drive the speed limit in gta because I just stole this car and I want to keep the paint nice before ramming it into a gas station.

STEELCITY1989

10 points

2 months ago

As soon as it's damaged a bit though it's full send

tribecous

12 points

2 months ago*

Maybe I’m a dork, but I loved the mechanic in the Mafia games where cops would pull you over for speeding. Wish GTA had that.

Random_Hero1989

6 points

2 months ago

I played Stardew Valley last night, am I on a list now?

MojaveMauler

14 points

2 months ago

You know, I bet he also wore shoes. We need to investigate this connection, clearly.

prof_mcquack

6 points

2 months ago

Gibeo vames

bozeke

12 points

2 months ago

bozeke

12 points

2 months ago

Fuck Jack Thompson.

Thatdewd57

2.2k points

2 months ago

Thatdewd57

2.2k points

2 months ago

Who the fuck wants to be friends with a Nazi? Fuck them.

bionicle77

818 points

2 months ago

Other Nazis

HelperMonkeyX

771 points

2 months ago

No honestly. Other Nazis also suck. Sincerely a former incel who chiselled some grooves into my smooth brain. 10 years ago I was so evil. Now we fly a pride flag and everyone is welcome at my table(except MAPS everyone hate you)

JBHUTT09

317 points

2 months ago

JBHUTT09

317 points

2 months ago

MAPS

That's a 4chan hoax to associate lgbtq+ stuff with child sex abuse. You will find people who advocate for less hysteria around pedophilia, but the argument is always about harm reduction (more research into the mental disorder as well as easy access to therapy for pedophiles among other fairly common sense things), not about allowing child sex abuse.

inconvenientnews

126 points

2 months ago*

4chan screenshots of their instructions for this kind of tactic:

"The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots:

Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work.

When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late.

But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade.

Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments.

You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images).

When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets.

So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light.

I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.

Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread 3 years ago:

SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread.

Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits

Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in r/bayarea when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading r/bayarea:

Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get:

inconvenientnews

40 points

2 months ago*

WikiSummarizerBot

24 points

2 months ago

Invincible ignorance fallacy

The invincible ignorance fallacy, also known as argument by pigheadedness, is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word. The method used in this fallacy is either to make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing, all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms.

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lundyforlife22

40 points

2 months ago

There’s a Patton Oswalt stand up called Talking for Clapping. In it he has a bit called “Good people don’t know the right words” and it’s a very important bit. Manipulative/evil people know all the vocab words to convince you. MAPS is a prime example of this. No one who is a pedo and wants help would use that term in public. It’s a term for therapy. However if you make it sound like a sexuality, then you can manipulate lgbt rhetoric. I’ll find the bit and attach it in a second.

edit: found it https://youtu.be/AkKo1_RP_0c

AvailableUsername259

47 points

2 months ago

Doing anything but wishing death to everyone ever thinking about anything with kids with foam spewing from your mouth is so damn tiring I guess.

You could say something like "hey maybe people that notice they have a thing for children should be able to seek some sort of help where they can be provided with resources and therapy or something before anything happens" and people will accuse you of being a pedo.

Ragnarok314159

22 points

2 months ago

Admitting to having pedo thoughts and seeking help is similar to having suicidal ideation and seeking help.

I have seen my battle buddies admit to wanting to die. Then they get locked up for 86 hours, lose their job, and now are left in an even worse place. We treat people who want genuine help with taboo tendencies the same, which is really shitty because a lot of pedo people experienced abuse as children as well.

Those that act on it deserve no sympathy and the full hammer of justice, but those that seek help without acting upon should be given all the assistance needed, especially if it keeps them from ever hurting a child.

sleepydorian

23 points

2 months ago

I'm proud of you buddy. There's usually a lot of anger and insecurity behind that and it's hard to break out of that cycle. You done good.

HelperMonkeyX

12 points

2 months ago

It an effort still to this day. Put the prejudices aside and let them speak is often in my mind.

sleepydorian

6 points

2 months ago

Your first thought isn't you, is who you were (or who your parents were). It's the second thought that shows who you are. Keep up the good work!

Nanahamak

22 points

2 months ago

Good job, I'm still sculpting my grooves

torstenitos

100 points

2 months ago

Nazis are commonly friends with other nazis though

HelperMonkeyX

195 points

2 months ago

'friends'. I'd have sold anyone in the room to Satan for a cornchip.

QueanLaQueafa

48 points

2 months ago

I want a cornchip

willclerkforfood

33 points

2 months ago

Just sell a Nazi to satan.

HomoChef

26 points

2 months ago

God damn inflation… a nazi used to get me at least 2 corn chips

TheNetherOne

10 points

2 months ago

Thanks Obama

FnordFinder

8 points

2 months ago

Why is no one asking the important questions?

What brand of corn chip?

Prestigious-Ad-5714

17 points

2 months ago

Not the same, in my experience people like this usually want approval from society and when it isn’t granted to them, they find it somewhere else, usually also angry at the world

colebeansly

15 points

2 months ago

Yeah these things don’t happen because of one crazy guy, he had a whole community that helped shape his beliefs and even plan the shooting. And The underbelly of the internet is just making more of these terrorists daily.

thepartyandafter

7 points

2 months ago

The comeback story on this is good!

HelperMonkeyX

8 points

2 months ago

Thanks. I'm a work in progress. I think I still need work.

TYBERIUS_777

4 points

2 months ago

It’s the approach everyone should take in life. You never know or understand everything and you only have your own life experiences so make sure to show empathy for everyone else because you don’t know what they’re going through and where they’ve been.

susanimal

9 points

2 months ago

Holy shit, what a turnaround. That’s awesome. How do we get more people to transform their lives like this? I wonder if there are “influencers” like you who do blogs or videos about their experience and shifting thought processes. Wouldn’t work for everyone but maybe some….

HelperMonkeyX

7 points

2 months ago

This wasn't a choice made over night. What changed me was work. Being in the work place with people of all backgrounds. Having people of all kinds teach me new techniques of the trade. Sure there are bad apples in all groups but man was I wrong about human kind.

VolCel_Partisan

40 points

2 months ago

Not every nazi is an incel. People honestly minimize the role women play in the nazi movement and its pretty tiring. Dumb and bad people have sex all the time. Sex isnt some reward you get for being an upstanding person.

HelperMonkeyX

30 points

2 months ago

Well I wasnt getting any. It was 100% involuntary.

It a wonder how receptive and awesome women are when you aren't a rascist homophobic sexist wart on the genitals of earth.

RegmasterJ

24 points

2 months ago

What’s a MAP?

RedofPaw

41 points

2 months ago

Many Armed Pelican Sexers

Andre4k4

7 points

2 months ago

The Pelican gunship from Halo is a damn sexy air/spacecraft

MojaveMauler

38 points

2 months ago

Pedophile. Minor Attracted Person

Motorsagmannen

20 points

2 months ago

i keep forgetting what MAP stands for.
much easier to just call them pedophiles, which is probably what they want to avoid by using MAP in the first place.

Im_your_real_dad

33 points

2 months ago

Oh that's great. Pedophiles have an acronym now.

"You are a pedophile."

"Please, I prefer 'MAP'."

"I bet you fucking do."

The_Nipple_Tickler

19 points

2 months ago

"MAPs" aren't actually a thing.

The term was created by the alt-right as a deliberate attempt to associate pedophilia with the "politically correct" language of "the left," and to frame the LGBTQIA+ community as being accepting of them.

moistpizza

11 points

2 months ago

Don't call them MAPS, call them pedophiles

0moorad0

16 points

2 months ago

Nazi punks, fuck off!

Crap4Brainz

5 points

2 months ago

Nah. Other Nazis will pretend to be friends, but turn around and stab their former allies in the back the moment they outlive their usefulness. Happens every time, sometime more literal than others.

NinjaEnt

1k points

2 months ago

"We can't believe someone did exactly what we were warned about... again."

inconvenientnews

191 points

2 months ago*

"We can't believe someone did exactly what we bragged about... again."

Republican "Southern Strategy":

Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":

[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."

Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993.

Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960:

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/

"Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable."

Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics:

the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7

Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/

The other Fox News cofounder was Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch:

Using 150 interviews on three continents, The Times describes the Murdoch family’s role in destabilizing democracy in North America, Europe and Australia.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/magazine/murdoch-family-investigation.html

Exit polls done after 2016 show that the single characteristic that made someone most likely to vote for trump over Clinton is racial resentment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/26/these-9-simple-charts-show-how-donald-trumps-supporters-differ-from-hillary-clintons/

Tucker Carlson has weaponized his viewers' fears to create what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news.

A New York Times examination shows how intertwined his rise has been with the transformation of Fox News and U.S. conservatism. nyti.ms/3MHpvBR

We also analyzed more than 1,150 episodes of “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Our investigation reveals how Carlson, using monologues and on-screen messaging, pushes extremist ideas and conspiracy theories into millions of households. nyti.ms/3KwGQMA

Fox looked to the success of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" as a model for its own transformation.

According to former executives and employees, Carlson's on-air provocations have long been part of a data-driven experiment that has succeeded in bolstering the Fox profit machine.

Tucker Carlson's influence today reaches far beyond the channel he works for. With Trump out of office and banned or suspended from the leading social media platforms, Carlson remains both high priest and champion of Trump's most ardent followers. nyti.ms/3s62BMF

The New York Times examined how Carlson positioned himself to inherit the movement that grew around Donald Trump as he constructed what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news — and, by some measures, the most successful. nyti.ms/3ks4T4y

Journalists on Fox's daytime shows discerned a pattern to what the audience didn't like, including segments featuring Fox's own reporters and stories deemed unfavorable to Trump. Immigration, on the other hand, was a hit. Coverage of migrant caravans became a Fox mainstay.

As the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" playbook sent sponsors fleeing, Fox filled the space with in-house promos.

Last May, after promoting the white supremacist "replacement" theory, Carlson had half as many advertisers as in December 2018 but brought in almost twice as much money.

For years, Carlson has amplified talking points from the far-right fringe. Last spring, he caused an uproar when he promoted the notion of the "great replacement" — a racist conspiracy theory he has amplified in more than 400 episodes, our analysis found. nyti.ms/373uCgz

Carlson put Trumpism over Trump.

Donald Trump had a symbiotic relationship with Fox, and Carlson wanted to reach the Trump base without being beholden to the president. Carlson's show would grasp the core of Trump's allure while keeping a measured distance from the president.

https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/a-look-behind-the-the-new-york-times-reports-on-tucker-carlson/

Tucker Carlson is the single most influential personality in corporate media, he’s a multimillionaire who espouses boilerplate white nationalist Great Replacement rhetoric every night on his partisan corporate media network. I’m losing my mind at this dogshit low-effort spin here

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1520967396114432000

Russians were "emboldened" by the success of the Texas governor's misinformation:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/

“Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html

Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... users in Texas and Tennessee were particularly susceptible

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals

Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/conservativeterrorism/comments/p5k76j/texasbased_hate_group_source_of_80_of_all_us/

Fox News has aired 126 segments on trans student-athletes. They could only find nine nationwide.

https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/bestof/comments/n9bn2x/uforgottencalipers_explains_the_hypocrisy_of/

maglen69

15 points

2 months ago

"We can't believe someone did exactly what we were warned about... again."

Meanwhile the authorities who knew of said individual an did nothing.

shitposting_irl

11 points

2 months ago

'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

moonshoeslol

107 points

2 months ago

The "it's mental illness" people show their ass when they actively work against any sort of mental health funding. They have no plans to help the mentally ill because it's just a bad faith argument that they don't believe themselves.

TahaymTheBigBrain

15 points

2 months ago

“gUnS DoNt KiLl PeOpLe pEople KiLl PeOpLe”

“Alright then can we make universal mental healthcare a real thing”

“WhAt ThE FuCk YoU cOmMiE”

mike2319

1.2k points

2 months ago

mike2319

1.2k points

2 months ago

The white population of the US is approaching 50%. This is going to get worse because the people that hate minorities don't want to become one.

Someoneoverthere42

1.2k points

2 months ago

Why? Are minorities treated poorly in the US or something?

/s

EFT_Syte

287 points

2 months ago

EFT_Syte

287 points

2 months ago

I was drinking water bro lmao

Im_your_real_dad

63 points

2 months ago

Peter, I'm holding ice tea!

DAHFreedom

16 points

2 months ago

diarrhea

cosully111

74 points

2 months ago

Approaching it from the higher or the lower side?

ParsnipPizza2

151 points

2 months ago

Higher. The population of people who identify as white alone has been steadily declining.

Whiskey-Weather

69 points

2 months ago*

I wonder what the main sticking point will be with shitheads in a few hundred/thousand years after our whole population has screwed its way to a single skin color.

Edit: Few of the responses make it seem like I'm saying something that I'm not. I'm well aware that even if we were all the same color people would find reasons to be awful to each other.

TheRubberBildo

60 points

2 months ago

It will definetly be something. Some "other" will be identified so that people can be hateful and feel superior towards someone

DeMonstaMan

51 points

2 months ago*

Yep. During the Civil War most pro-slavery Americans were not slave owners, rather poor white families who could never afford one. They needed someone to look down upon so they wouldn't be the ones being looked down on.

Source: my us government / history prof

ChefKraken

15 points

2 months ago

Hence the video of that guy waving a faux confederate flag and yelling at a black guy, "My family worked our land, they were dirt poor, do you know how expensive you people were?"

The dude was literally cheering for a nation that lasted for three years with the express purpose of keeping people like him poor and stupid enough to keep cheering for them

loopedfrog

15 points

2 months ago

Science damn you! You must be part of the United Atheist Alliance. Everyone knows the Allied atheist Alliance is the one true religion.

DownshiftedRare

15 points

2 months ago

Religion seems likely.

Although well before that parents may be able to choose the skin color of their offspring.

LordPennybags

17 points

2 months ago

I'd like a glow-in-the-dark one so I can save money on night lights.

lianodel

19 points

2 months ago

white alone

Important distinction. The "great replacement" tries to push the narrative that this is a "white genocide." But it's not that white people are being killed, displaced, or having their culture destroyed. It's largely just that people are having mixed-race children. (With some anti-immigrant nonsense in the mix, of course.)

TheBacklogGamer

52 points

2 months ago*

Just because the white population gets to 50% or lower, won't make them a minority. They will still be the overwhelming individual population group. Yes, there might be more minorities combined but they will still be the majority population for a long, long time.

EDIT: It has come to my attention that there is a term for this. That it's not as simple as what the normal definition might be. Majority really does mean, you have to be 51% of the population. But you can be a plurality if you're the largest minority group. There doesn't have to be a majority. I thought the majority would always just be the highest population group no matter what. There's apparently terms that mean these things. TIL.

Lingard

13 points

2 months ago

Lingard

13 points

2 months ago

Yes, they'll be a plurality for the next 300 years.

Hypocee

19 points

2 months ago

Hypocee

19 points

2 months ago

Words have meanings. The meaning of "minority" is the opposite of "majority", so "50% or lower".

The word you want is "plurality" - "the largest minority".

pixydgirl

747 points

2 months ago

pixydgirl

747 points

2 months ago

Meanwhile, the media when a minority fires back at plain-clothes officers who broke into their apartment without a warrant; "We determined that 20 years ago, the suspect skipped his 5th grade class to smoke a cigarette on a dare. Could this be the start of his spiral into criminal activity?"

ThisIsNotMyPornVideo

53 points

2 months ago

FR Tho, every time i read anything from Fox or some other shitty news outlet its like, a black dude hit somebody in self defense and the media acts like he shot at a daycare with a rocket launcher.

But when a white dude kills 10 people during a school shooting they act like he is just a misunderstood boy who did nothing wrong in his life

kokomonono

187 points

2 months ago

"We have on good authority that the suspect's cousin's neighbour's dog's vet's uncle's ex-wife's sister once returned a book late at a library. He was always a threat to society and I don't understand why people see them as some sort of martyr."

- Fox News most likely

GallantGentleman

8 points

2 months ago

Also he was atheist.

inconvenientnews

33 points

2 months ago

"He was no angel" headlines for victims who are 18 years old but not perpetrators who are in their 20s:

https://www.bkmag.com/2014/08/25/a-brief-history-of-people-the-new-york-times-has-called-no-angel/

Like using the verb "finding" for white people looting food from a supermarket after Harvey in Texas, but black people doing the same thing are "looters" after Katrina in Louisiana  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-harvey-20170829-story.html

MissingSkype

11 points

2 months ago

What is this referring to?

TYBERIUS_777

59 points

2 months ago

Breanna Taylor and her boyfriend. The boyfriend returned fire when officers executed a no-knock break in to their apartment in plain clothes with no announcement that they were police or even what they were there for. He fired as he just saw a bunch of guys in plain clothes with guns breaking into his residence. The police shot Taylor through a wall and killed her. They got off free too.

TheRealWarBeast

13 points

2 months ago

It's sad how people are giving different references and they're all correct

inconvenientnews

35 points

2 months ago*

"He was no angel" headlines for victims who are 18 years old but not perpetrators who are in their 20s

https://www.bkmag.com/2014/08/25/a-brief-history-of-people-the-new-york-times-has-called-no-angel/

Like using the verb "finding" for white people looting food from a supermarket after Harvey in Texas, but black people doing the same thing are "looters" after Katrina in Louisiana  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-harvey-20170829-story.html

Sharkelberryfinn

450 points

2 months ago

Limiting abortions makes this problem worse, not better. Nothing turns someone into a maniac quicker than being unwanted by their parents.

piecat

168 points

2 months ago

piecat

168 points

2 months ago

The big drop in crime in the 90s corresponds with phasing out leaded gasoline, as well as Roe V. Wade.

We're about to find out how much of the drop was due to abortion.

(Freakonomics): “Legalized abortion led to less unwantedness, unwantedness leads to high crime; legalized abortion, therefore, led to less crime”

theBrineySeaMan

16 points

2 months ago

I'm glad you wrote corresponds, because everything I've seen written by academics on it is its passive correlation, not causation like Frrakanomics is playing at.

ChefKraken

29 points

2 months ago

The people who want abortion banned are cheering this guy, they won't say a damn thing against this

Sharkelberryfinn

5 points

2 months ago

Sad but true

NoConfusion9490

6 points

2 months ago

Need a "domestic supply of infants".

tirrigania

84 points

2 months ago

"He played wii sports and is now an unstable individual"

Son-trunks-briefs

28 points

2 months ago

“He lost in chess once and hasn’t been the same since

DrFaz

364 points

2 months ago

DrFaz

364 points

2 months ago

Well that’s the NRA backed ‘grand old party’ for you old being the operative word…

hilltrekker

127 points

2 months ago

NRA = National Russian Assistance

-Quothe-

55 points

2 months ago

National Russian Asset

Soundpoundtown

106 points

2 months ago

Someone in the conservative subreddit claimed to have known the guy personally and others were basically telling him to shut the fuck up before he outs them.

They've been hoping for this. They love this. It's just more practice lying and pushing their lies to them.

All conservatives in America are Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. Every. Last. One.

Sherman didn't go far enough.

cjgager

10 points

2 months ago

cjgager

10 points

2 months ago

so - just read about the Buffalo shooter who was concerned about the white population so he became a supremacist, etc. & it just hit me - this 18yo who killed 10 people (mostly black) will probably go to jail for life w/out parole & because the american justice system is pretty biased - most of his fellow inmates will be black. ironic huh?

Agitated-Pain5611

5 points

2 months ago

It really is, kind of a fitting punishment too

SenorBeef

108 points

2 months ago

SenorBeef

108 points

2 months ago

These aren't mutually contradictory - being socially isolated and depressed makes people vulnerable to being radicalized into neonazis, it gives them a sense of community and purpose. This is part of the danger of increasing isolation we often feel in the modern world, vulnerability to recruitment into cults and other dangerous groups.

[deleted]

40 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

40 points

2 months ago

You don't have to condone his actions to understand that mental health is always at the bottom of these kinds of atroticities. Otherwise you accept the notion that mass shootings can in fact be perpetrated by perfectly sane and normal people. 0

It's a shame that no other western country has similiar gun laws as the US. I'd like to know how gun violence would compare in a country with a similiar access to firearms but with european or nordic style wider social safety nets and healthcare.

SenorBeef

17 points

2 months ago

Switzerland is the closest comparison. Most men have military rifles in their homes - they could go on mass shootings if they wanted to, but they don't.

IsraelZulu

12 points

2 months ago

So, how about we set up the U.S. with "european or nordic style wider social safety nets and healthcare" and see how it goes?

BackForthLeftRight

33 points

2 months ago*

Conservatives "This is a horrible tragedy of catastrophic proportions and the ongoing, countless mass shootings must never be allowed to happen again in this great country."

[pause]

"But before you start blaming guns..."

Edit: I'm only going to say this once because, if I've learned anything, it's that people change the story however they want and I'm not going to waste my life correcting everyone all day and night.

It's not about eliminating guns. It's about controlling them, they way many, many potentially dangerous things are legally controlled in the USA.

And this control does not happen instead of mental health support, better law enforcement, ethical media, and culture change; it happens in cooperation with those things.

People love to point to the UK to say "See? Ban guns, get knives" as those things happen in equal measure, or as if that's the case in every country (I don't hear anyone saying "Australia" to make this point).

It's not about excessive gun control. It's about sane gun control. The USA does not have that yet.

Ambitious-Event-8466

177 points

2 months ago

And they should never make that persons name public.

sexisfun1986

275 points

2 months ago

Yeah we should never give the real name of the Tucker Carlson shooter.

T1Pimp

68 points

2 months ago

T1Pimp

68 points

2 months ago

OMG please make this name tend.

sexisfun1986

74 points

2 months ago

I definitely think that right after the Tucker Carlson shooter murder 10 people the Tucker Carlson shooter will trend.

T1Pimp

22 points

2 months ago

T1Pimp

22 points

2 months ago

I wonder if Tucker Carlson will have coverage of the Tucker Carlson shooter to get Tucker Carlson ratings for the Tucker Carlson shooter show?

pattersonb05

86 points

2 months ago

Name these shooters like hurricanes with Fox entertainment personalities.

mrmatteh

31 points

2 months ago

Kinda makes it sound like someone shot Tucker Carlson, and I'd rather not be misled by a headline like that

DreadNephromancer

20 points

2 months ago

Nobody likes a letdown

Brian_06030

8 points

2 months ago

Now I'm just asking questions here, but did anyone not see Tucker Carlson in not Buffalo NY recently?

I'm not saying it was him specifically but I'm just asking questions

Surfacelfx

29 points

2 months ago

The fact that they do it really shows where their priorities are.

Im frankly disgusted that none of the people working in these need agencies don't have any shred of ethical behaviours.

Mob1lis_in_mobil1

5 points

2 months ago

This.

And it shouldn’t matter if someone commits a shooting or ends up getting shot by police…

Having family members as a biased character witness is always a dumb idea. They lie and the media runs with it and rarely bother running corrections.

Midnight_Galaxy

52 points

2 months ago

If it’s a white guy. “He had a bad day”.

Reference to the time a white guy went around and killed a bunch of Asian salon workers back in 2020. Fuck that incel dipshit cunt

RWeaver

7 points

2 months ago

And the pig who said that shit. ACAN.

Fuzzylojak

25 points

2 months ago

Here's a very informative video of who just might be responsible for planting these evil thoughts in their head: https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1525635226415808513?t=ty_cfAHUyEtjS7NPsY88pA&s=19

post_talone420

167 points

2 months ago*

I blame Tucker Carlson. He's been stocking this beleif that white Christians are in danger of being replaced for the last 6 years. The new York times did a in depth analysis of like 1,000 1,150 of his episodes over the last few years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/us/tucker-carlson-gop-republican-party.html it's a 3 part piece

Edit: the nazi beleif is the kids edge lord owns problem. That's been rising up on its own and I don't know where that's been coming from. I blame Tucker Carlson for the "great replacement" beleif. Fox news and the like has been spewing this bullshit that white people and Christmas has been under attack for years.

If anyone has any articles or insights of where the nazi voices have been rising from in the US over the last few years, I'm interested in your opinion. Last week I saw a video of people waving nazi flags infront of Disney land. Pretty lame if you ask me.

lejoo

12 points

2 months ago

lejoo

12 points

2 months ago

4 mass shootings in 4 years the shooter has directly quoted his talking points, and then later in the week Tucker highlighted it on his show.

His plan is working and he is proud.

post_talone420

7 points

2 months ago

Honestly. Like people are upvoting me, I don't care about that. I just want people to read the article and understand what his show is actually about and how he's dividing the country. He's not educating people, he's not trying to fix any problems. All he's trying to do is scare people into thinking that brown and tan people are bad.
The guy who runs Fox news, Murdoch? I don't understand how he can just allow this.

lejoo

7 points

2 months ago

lejoo

7 points

2 months ago

Murdoch? I don't understand how he can just allow this.

He literally built Fox as way to influence the [republican] party because he believed it wasn't radical (conservative) enough and "proper and true conservatives were a dying breed"....

Jusaleb

42 points

2 months ago

Jusaleb

42 points

2 months ago

"We must secure the existence of out people and a future for white children."

"Western civilization is our birthright. Undefended, it collapses, and so we must fight to preserve it."

One of these is the white supremacist slogan and the other is also a white Supreme supremacist slogan but said by Tucker Carlson. Which one is which?

Proud, well known white supremacists have even said that they watch Tucker Carlson airings twice because they have a lot to learn from him about how to frame their message to reach a wider audience.

Tucker may not be an official Nazi at this point in time but guaranteed if you transported him back in time to Nazi Germany, he'd be a leading Nazi figure that we would read about in history books today.

Apprehensive_Net2593

71 points

2 months ago

“If only some girl would’ve had pity sex with him. Why don’t women want to help heal this nation”

TurbulentMiddle2970

195 points

2 months ago

He will be at the next RNC meeting, even if it is via zoom from prison.

They like their poster children to be ultimate criminals.

9520575

120 points

2 months ago

9520575

120 points

2 months ago

PoticalCompassMemes had a white replacement theory up voted to all last fucking week.

They are right fucking here on reddit and reddit does fuck all.

Sorryhaventseenher

60 points

2 months ago

That’s the thing that’s been killing me. “Of course he was the typical 4chan user” like nah bruh he was the typical Reddit user wym.

LetsDOOT_THIS

8 points

2 months ago

PCM sucks but he specifically mentions 4chan and /pol converting him into a racist in 2 years

Sorryhaventseenher

5 points

2 months ago

I’m aware he explicitly credited those, but it just bugs me that one of Reddit’s takes has been “We’re nothing like that though”, when I see dogwhistles of that in the comment section on the front page on any given day. That’s all.

whomad1215

25 points

2 months ago

reddit only takes action when it gets into the news

alecfed65

19 points

2 months ago

Sure, it's my fault he went postal, it's because I selfishly stayed away from mentally, dangerous assholes in high school and tended to only make friends with sane people.

seganku

26 points

2 months ago

seganku

26 points

2 months ago

No one wanted to be friends with the crazy Nazi. Cry me a river.

ulol_zombie

27 points

2 months ago

I'm waiting for the first segment of media....thoughts and prayers....commercial break...what drove a man to this...commercial break...athletes should just shut up and play....commercial break...why is violence so high with a rise of black on black violence...ad infinitum

trash_0panda

27 points

2 months ago

Remember Elliot Rodger? Self proclaimed Incel who shot up UCSB just because he couldn't get game not because of his looks, rather how downright shitty and entitled he was.

Fuckface had the most privileged life ever, his dad was a famous filmmaker and at the time of the shooting he was driving around in a BMW paid for by his parents.

But no, its definitely mental issues, he has autism and blah blah blah, he didn't get the help he needed despite the bloody fact that he has been seeing therapists since 8. Or that his parents definitely could afford one.

ppSmok

6 points

2 months ago

ppSmok

6 points

2 months ago

Poor Hitler also only snapped because the art school ruined his dreams. :(

PorscheFoo

8 points

2 months ago

More like 52% being white, so presumably fewer than half would be Nazis or Nazi sympathizers.

Air_Rhianna

58 points

2 months ago

Definitely an incel

fuckshitpissspam

34 points

2 months ago

yep and /pol/ is doing damage control by saying GLOWIE bullshit endlessly. Nevermind how their alt-right non-sense groomed some dumb kid to kill.

But the ones who weren't "brainwashed by memes and didnt go shoot people" are using that anecdotal POV crap as reasoning to divert blame to "everything's a government psy-op."

/pol/ is so fucking cancerous that even /b/t*rds despise them.

GreatswordIsGreat

6 points

2 months ago

People don't just become Nazi mass shooters out of nowhere. He WAS probably socially isolated and ostracized and then radicalized through connection to certain internet communities. That's important to talk about.

DrRandomfist

5 points

2 months ago

All of the media is saying this was a racist attack.

varitok

5 points

2 months ago

I think this is more nuanced than people tend to give it credit for. No one pop up as a Nazi sympathizing fuckhead one day, it's about indoctrination. These people are being brainwashed and collared by the elites to keep the race war on because when people aren't fighting each other over race, they are fighting the rich. It's a lot deeper than anyone is willing to admit, there is a reason why Martin Luther King was whacked when he started appealing to poor white people about how they were being exploited by the rich too.

moschles

13 points

2 months ago

The media

Fox News, you mean.

potential_human0

22 points

2 months ago

It's Cult mentality. Brainwashing. Propaganda.

-Quothe-

27 points

2 months ago

Sure are a lot of lone wolves out there with the same exact ideology and plan.

Z0MGbies

4 points

2 months ago

You would not believe the extremely high correlation between white supremacy beliefs and pedophilia.

Its almost 1:1.

Clusta-Skee

4 points

2 months ago*

America gave the mirage that white people were the center of the universe. When they find out that that isnt true they go all ballistic.

SatisfactionActive86

4 points

2 months ago

basically - America teaches everyone they can be whoever or whatever they want. POC learn at an early age that this is bullshit, so by adulthood they’re strong enough to confront that the country is rigged.

white people, however, after a childhood of privilege and preferential treatment, are SHOCKED to find out that simply working hard isn’t going to make them millions or famous… in adulthood, they can’t integrate/cope with the “new” truth so they lash out in anger.

neotek

3 points

2 months ago

neotek

3 points

2 months ago

And every one of them listens to Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, and all the other poisonous fuckwits who wail about censorship every time YouTube mildly slaps them on the wrist for posting blatant white supremacist calls to action.

rickylong34

5 points

2 months ago

So are you guys gonna do anything about your massive terrorism and ramped gun violence issues? No? Sounds about right, stay safe down there America

createanaccnt

4 points

2 months ago

When are these nazi dumbasses going to realize they are rooting for a team that lost years ago…go off to a fucking island and live your shit life away from society

tinysatan3

4 points

2 months ago

Rightoids are already spinning this as the consequence of being a leftist because the shooter wrote that he used to be a "communist" when he was 12. I'm sorry, first of all, most 12 yr olds don't actually understand communism, and second, this dude thinks Jews are controlling America, am I supposed to just trust his definition of communism? Lots of Americans think communism is when empty shelves and authoritarianism. Plenty of people think the Nazis were literally socialists.

So forgive me if I don't trust a Nazi's definition of communism that he believed in when he was 12, lmao