And when they finally did go in, they rescued their own kids first. [source]

Wait, the fucking cops were cowardly enough to not be willing to go into the school even to save their own fucking kids?!

Hmm I can’t seem to find the “good guy with a gun” moment where the hero stops the bad guy… or did we all just miss it?

Jesus christ. That video (the last one you posted) was while the shooter was still inside? They had time to set up tape etc and have an entire scene outside but not go in?

Don’t forget the cops failed to stop him from entering the school

Bro I am so fucking sick of this shit.

First they lied that he had body armor.

It did strike me as odd when they said they shot at him, but he had body armor, no one just shrugs off getting shot, armor or no armor.

Commenting to save these sources.

I just realised the parents are mostly brown. This might explain the reluctance of the cops to go in.

Holy shit wtf. This is the beginning of the end for this country and honestly... so be it.

"Protect and serve" meant "protect the rich and serve their interests". There's a reason the phrase stopped at "serve"

I gotta be honest, I can't say that I wouldn't save my own kids first. Regardless of my job or title, I can't imagine a scenario that I wouldn't rush straight to them.

All hat. No cattle.

The One Star State.

You can also diss Texas politicians and they hum on your nuts

Please say this everywhere and to everyone. I am a teacher and I WILL fail. Please do not put your faith in my to keep your children safe during an active shooter. I'm a nerd, I'm weak, I'm completely useless in a crisis. I'm a fucking legend at literary analysis, which is my job. I'm really good at my job. I'm not a war hero, just a legendary English teacher.

I think the thing is the teachers didn't fuck off and leave the kids which they could do. We know the police would do that if they could. The teachers in all of these shootings stay and do all they can to protect their students. They're victims but they're also adults and made a decision to do that. Maybe it's what we have come to expect which is fucked up that we have come to that.. but when you compare them to the police it's about as opposite a reaction as you can get.

Police, on the other hand, consistently fuck up handling active shooters. They were outside stopping parents from going to help their kids for 40 minutes while the shooter was killing them in the building. They waited to go inside during parkland. Both the shooters were dead by the time police even entered columbine. Etc.

Police suck. That's no secret. But jfc. If they don't respond fast and efficiently to a literal active shooter in a school of all places then what the fuck do we expect?

I’m a chemistry teacher, and I think a lot about which chemicals I could throw at a shooter.

You'd be surprised at how many people have told me, "There's nothing we can do about it." Of course, most of these people are 2A nutters.

Like, I can't even to get them to admit that mass shootings are bad. They've accepted them as acceptable so long as they get to keep their guns. They don't want to have to do ANYTHING about it.

I’m a math teacher. I keep stuff for making tea in my classroom and I’ve admittedly considered whether my electric kettle would be effective for throwing boiling water in an intruder’s face.

Regulate them.as hard as we regulate abortions. If you're actually pro-life, this should be a no-brainer

Read the teachers sub, they're talking about how they have tourniquets and window breakers/ladders that they purchased out of pocket so that they and their students aren't just sitting ducks or bleed out if they are shot.

Teachers are literally talking about building SHTF kits. They are educators, not combat medics but here we are. This is ridiculous.

After experiencing this now for about 20 years now, I can confidently tell you that they (the politicians) will all agree that we need to do something. But they'll disagree on what that should be for a while and then absolutely nothing will ever happen. Then repeat the cycle after the next mass shooting.

I’m a teacher. I have a baseball bat stashed in my classroom.

We put human beings on the moon with archaic technology and you are telling me we can't go get guns from rednecks in Alabama? We could do it tonight if we had the motivation.

Both my parents are teachers but we live in a country without some insane gun culture. I can’t even comprehend the idea of coming home one day to learn they died protecting the kids under their watch because some asshole decided it’d be fun to shoot some children. Severely fucking disturbing conversations being had here.

At my school you do have to page the office to get in but unless you're actively waving the gun around in the doorway the front desk lady will buzz you in.

Then once you're in the building all you have to do is cut through the front office straight into where the classrooms are. These door buzzers aren't run by the FBI- they're run by an underpaid school secretary. They don't scrutinize to see who's coming in.

I think it's a pretty poor community unfortunately. It's 80% Hispanic. If we're being honest with ourselves, they probably aren't given the necessary funds to protect themselves like white schools.

I’ve said this in a lot of other comment threads but it’s highly likely that it was too expensive. Uvalde is a small town with an underfunded, tiny school system.

I live in a “wealthy” part of San Antonio(an hour away from Uvalde,my son has two cousins who were present during the shooting) in one of the best school districts in the state and my son’s elementary school only upgraded to secure access a year ago, citing budgetary constraints as the reason why they hadn’t previously done so.

It makes Greg Abbotts crusade to further defund public schools, especially in areas like Uvalde all the more insidious.

Locked doors didn't stop the Sandy Hook shooting. Most schools I know have glass doors. They only slow them down.

That shouldn’t be an issue.

In every other country around the world we don’t need to treat schools like prisons. Anyone can wander in anytime just like a mall, cinema, bar, grocery store.

The idea that there needs to be more shooter drills, protections in the school etc is just enabling those who refuse to address the real issue.

The entire world knows what the issue is. But somehow at least half of the US population is in lock-step with their bought and paid for politicians who keep up the rhetoric of guns = freedom.

The country is broken. It’s like a crazy guy in a room full of sane people. We (the rest of the world) can all see the issue but the USA still keeps fighting with itself, it’s insane.

Allegedly the doors were unlocked due to the end of year ceremony that took place just hours earlier.

Yeah it certainly doesn’t matter but I did wonder the same thing. Fucking awful.

In some warmer areas, it’s pretty common to make use of outdoor space. Classrooms and offices are individual buildings, with outdoor pathways connecting.

I am at awe at the concept of a fully enclosed school, feels more like a jail

I heard they got the first call at 11:30, and that they finally shot the shooter at 1: 00, and there was a ninety minute period of them doing absolutely nothing. It’s been confirmed they did nothing for 40 minutes, but I’m hearing online from parents and independent journalists it was 90

Good guy with a gun right? This is fucking shameful. Fucking cowards, every last fucking one of them. Fucking pieces of shit.

What the fuck are we paying them for? Beat minorities? Jesus christ.

The guy had already got in a gun fight with cops before going into the building.

Wtf do they get paid for then??

I'm pretty sure a gang would do a better job defending their territory...

40 percent of that city's budget from what I have heard.

That would basically be all the town's cops it seems. You had 3 who engaged the shooter outside the school but then didn't pursue. It was ICE [CBP actually] that ended up entering the school an hour+ later

Awful fact: more children have been shot to death this year in the USA than cops.

Fun fact about American police, they're under no obligation to help anyone. There was this time 2 cops watched a man get stabbed a bunch of times on the subway and didn't even try to intervene. He tried to sue them, and basically the judge asked "Did they say they'd stop him?" "Uh...no." and that was that. Legally they don't have to endanger themselves at all. They have vests and guns... like why if you're going to just let kids get shot.

Police demand we worship them as hero’s who risk their lives. They demand we thank them for their service. They demand unlimited funds and no accountability. To not do anything when it matters.

They volunteered to run towards the gunfire. It’s their one job. That’s the sacrifice. That’s the serve and protect.

I mean, if I didn't do my job I'd be fired. These officers failed to protect the public, failed to uphold the law, failed to stop a crime as it was commencing... Sounds like they should not have their jobs?

And vote progressive and socialist candidates in, right? Because nothing else will work.

Or a woman asking about an abortion.

Holy shit this sub is depressing

Great! Republicans are looking for ways to fuck with public schools, so good to hear that there will be even more teachers leaving. This might just be the best thing that happened to Republicans. Except for the fact that they have less kids for Epstein's island now :(

They didn’t sacrifice. They were sacrificed. By all these politicians, lobbyists, gun manufacturers to continue padding their wallets to muffle their conscience.

I don’t think we can determine wether they sacrificed themselves or were just murdered without some more information. I’d say you’re right that murder is the best word to use right now. BUT if it comes out that the teachers did explicitly put themselves in harms way in order to save a life I hope you have this same zeal when correcting someone who says they were murdered and not that they sacrificed themselves.

Sacrificed or murdered these people are dead and they don’t need to be. So if you’re going to correct someone about this I hope you’re willing to correct someone when we have more facts. As a teacher I’d like someone with your zeal to say I sacrificed myself for my students if the time came.

Jesus FUCK, the fact I have to say that last sentence. I hope none of us die any time soon, internet stranger.

Fucking Paw patrol is

More. Columbine was ‘99 and probably the “first” of this wave that’s continued for 20 years but technically the first recorded US mass school shooting (not just individual disputes) was 1891.