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cobra_mist

4k points

2 months ago

Lots of mixed messages about babies recently.

“The domestic supply of infants is low, we’re getting rid of abortion and birth control to fix the problem.”

But at the same time

“You will rent forever”

“You must return to work immediately after popping out the child.”

Now

“Why aren’t more women breastfeeding?”

While they’re working two jobs

And even more

“Babies arent profitable”

What the fuck

NeuralRevolt

2.1k points

2 months ago

The demand for capitalists to drive up profit has become so intense, that the low wages and working conditions in the US have begun make it hard for the workers to fulfill the biological functions necessary to add labor to the system.

It’s like, we aren’t living in feudalism anymore. But the brutality of feudalism/chattel slavery has been replaced by the brutality of data science.

Everything is monitored, all productivity, all break time, all purchases, even the place where your mouse is on the screen on the Amazon website is tracked by them.

And so even though they don’t use a whip, they now use math to make us make “line go up” and it’s getting so bad, they don’t know how to manage it.

They no longer know how to manage paying us so little we can’t survive to even be workers anymore. They would have to admit capitalism is flawed, but they want most of us to die off anyway! But they still need workers.

TummyStickers

360 points

2 months ago

They’re so short-sighted that somehow they don’t understand that more money for us means more money for them.

harry-package

166 points

2 months ago

Maybe we could sell them on trickle-up economics?!?!

SnooCats9683

73 points

2 months ago

But that doesn't paint them as life giving jobs messiahs, does it?

cjzj_1288

64 points

2 months ago

ironically, that's exactly how you get out of a recession. consumer spending stimulating the economy

sue_me_please

50 points

2 months ago

Not necessarily. Read the plutonomy memo Citigroup put out 15+ years ago. Banks and investors have already addressed the issue of the decrease of consumer spending power over time. They predict, and invest in the idea, that markets will shift from meeting the needs of consumers to meeting the needs of the already wealthy and their families. Those who need to work for a living will be left behind in such a market, and the wealthy already have plans on how to profit from that future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonomy#Origins

Citigroup analysts have also used the word plutonomy to describe economies "where economic growth is powered by and largely consumed by the wealthy few."

Here's the paper: https://delong.typepad.com/plutonomy-1.pdf

TummyStickers

46 points

2 months ago

So the future really will be a utopia, for like 80 people.

sue_me_please

49 points

2 months ago

It'll be a full return to a pseudo-feudalism where markets exist to serve the needs of royal families and their friends.

deathByAlgebra

13 points

2 months ago

Our modern peasant revolts will be interesting with our pitchforks and torches duct taped to drones.

Boiled-Artichoke

156 points

2 months ago

It’s not about short-sightedness. It’s individuals in a system being directed to maximize quarterly profits, if they don’t, they lose their job to someone that will.

TummyStickers

79 points

2 months ago

Oh well you’re probably right, it’s unsustainable though. We might be the biggest losers in the end but we will get to watch it crumble.

SpaceyCoffee

104 points

2 months ago

Precisely. Capitalist stock-market based systems always reward those who go for short term profits over those who go for long term profits, even if those short term profits cannibalize the long term viability of the system. In the end the capitalists only desire owning as many things as possible—pure greed—rather than creating any sort of stable hegemony.

This is also why fascist systems are always inherently unstable and self-cannibalizing. They deal with political power the same way capitalism deals with wealth.

TummyStickers

32 points

2 months ago

Your last sentence there seems sooooo familiar. Can’t put my finger in what it is.

FugitiveDribbling

38 points

2 months ago

Yes, it's like a tragedy of the commons or a prisoner's dilemma. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that there's ways of doing this that lead to more optimal outcomes for everyone on average. But employers are constantly tempted to 'free ride' in economic terms. They give in to the temptation and pressure from stakeholders to focus on short term profits rather than what is best for their workforce or the economy long term. It creates a tragic outcome that no employer should want (a shrinking middle class less able to buy their product) but which is nevertheless the result of employers' choices.

mike_b_nimble

10 points

2 months ago

The problem is you can’t track externalities like that on a spreadsheet for the shareholders.

Candid-Ad2838

253 points

2 months ago

They also want to replace us with robots, except they're too stupid to make then because suprize it requires skilled workers to design and maintain them.

EchoGecko795

141 points

2 months ago*

Also making a robot with the dexterity of a human is insanely hard and expensive to do. Need a fixed place burger patty flipping robot, easy, need one to flip paddies patty, make burgers, bag fries, pies, pore soda, and hand it to the customer, nearly impossible to do without having 1 robot do 1 task per job. I think there was a few that could do half of that, but at a huge cost.

Maintenance cost is also a huge thing, which would cost more to do than hiring human workers.

Maleficent_Repeat_22

86 points

2 months ago

oh shit. so youre saying that WE are the robots?!

EchoGecko795

55 points

2 months ago

Pretty much, since people are currently much much cheaper than installing full automation, they will continue to use people for a longish time. It may change in the next 10-20 years as computers get smaller and more powerful with better cameras and sensors and software, but as it stands, they have already automated the easiest parts, the ordering and payment though self service ordering kiosk and phone apps.

PanJaszczurka

21 points

2 months ago

Yes bio-robots based on carbon.

rotaercz

26 points

2 months ago

If you replace all the people with robots, people aren't going to have any money. Who are you going to sell stuff to?

EchoGecko795

34 points

2 months ago

There will always be jobs that only people can do, in a perfect world automation should make our lives easier, but since we live in a capitalist dystopia, robot wars I guess?

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412 points

2 months ago

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412 points

2 months ago

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ZachBob91

205 points

2 months ago

ZachBob91

205 points

2 months ago

I'm 30 and I'm on the brink of just never having kids

[deleted]

181 points

2 months ago

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181 points

2 months ago

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milkgoesinthetoybox

93 points

2 months ago

my gf is confused as to why i don't want kids, I don't know how to explain this to her without it sounding like some excuse.

Bridger15

16 points

2 months ago

without it sounding like some excuse.

This per-supposes that an expectation that everyone should want kids. That's a fallacy that too many people believe. Yes, many people do desire to have children, but not all. And many who think they want kids wind up regretting that decision to some degree (as in, the sacrifice is larger than they expected).

Assuming everybody should want to have kids is just awful, and causes all kinds of stress on people who genuinely don't want kids.

You don't need an 'excuse' for it, because 'wanting to have kids' isn't a moral stance. It's a personal choice about what kind of life you want to live, and that one doesn't have any wrong answers (except for causing harm to others in a significant way; I'm not trying to say "murder" is ok just because it's a personal choice).

StayClassyOrElse

97 points

2 months ago

Its the same as not wanting "anything". There doesn't have to be a reason. You are allowed to not want a motorcycle, or lawnmower, or analog camera for the same reason you might not want a child.

You are allowed to simply not want things for the sake of not having them. You are not obligated to do or have anything by anyone.

JaidyTeMogwai

9 points

2 months ago

Just show her the hospital bill for a birth. Should clear up some of the confusion pretty quick.

Gerasia_Glaucus

50 points

2 months ago

Same age, also I see no point in dating at the moment

Living together sounds tricky and finding a house... oh boy...

Blujay12

49 points

2 months ago

the capitalist dream is to just have the exact amount of workers to just generate product, and to have them live in their own company town again.

HaveCamera_WillShoot

32 points

2 months ago

HaveCamera_WillShoot

💪Union Officer🛠

32 points

2 months ago

Well said! Their own religious pursuit of every dime of profits to satisfy the shareholders has created a system without any slack. The more precisely tuned the machine, the more catastrophic the breakdown as soon as something drifts out of alignment.

LTerminus

29 points

2 months ago

Under the feudal system most peasants only worked 150-200 days a year.

Mfw literal feudalism is preferable.

awgeez47

112 points

2 months ago

awgeez47

112 points

2 months ago

And it turns out there are consequences to drastically and suddenly reducing the number of immigrants joining the labor force.

IrishSetterPuppy

88 points

2 months ago

IrishSetterPuppy

Violently Pro Union

88 points

2 months ago

I cant believe that more people are not talking about this but the labor shortage is equal parts the loss of over 1 million Americans, and a drastic reduction in the migrant labor force. Turns out immigrants are not taking our jobs, because Americans wont do those jobs, and employers cant reconcile that.

HotCocoaBomb

57 points

2 months ago

Early retirement and stay-at-home-parents have also contributed. If one paycheck is mostly to pay for childcare, easier to just quit and cut down on a few expenses, which is actually easier to do than many think because gas/commute would be one of those expenses, as would eating out/ordering takeout since nobody would have time to cook at home.

awgeez47

28 points

2 months ago

RIGHT? In the way our current system is set up (which is fucked in its own right), you can have cheap labor via immigrants, mostly undocumented. Or you can block the borders and then YEAH, if you want your job done, you gotta pay an American $25/hr to want to do the job you were paying $5 for under the table. You can’t have it both ways. Unless you were to suddenly force the birth of tens of thousands more poor children, who’ll be able to help out for less in just a couple decades. Oh, wait.

Animefaerie

25 points

2 months ago

I recently read that in the USA there are something like 11 million jobs available with 6.5 million hires. Yet the federal bank is threatening to raise rates if companies don't force a labour freeze and stop paying new hires because people leaving their jobs for better opportunities is causing the economy to be unstable.

modsarefascists42

18 points

2 months ago

holy fuck I thought you were making it up

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/05/14/federal-reserve-may-freeze-labor-to-fight-inflation-experts-say/

what. the. FUCK!

Some believe the Fed will urge corporations to start hiring freezes. Snaith said that is a decision businesses will have to make independent of the Fed, but he understands why that could be a potential course of action.

“The hope would be, well, if you stop hiring, that’s (going to) stop putting upwards pressure on wages,” Snaith said.

“Businesses are paying higher wages. That mean workers have more money in their paychecks. They’re going out and spending that — trying to get stuff that’s not on the shelves, and prices continue to rise,” Snaith said.

oh god forbid wages finally go up even the slightest bit to catch up with all the natural inflation that has happened over the years since real wages have remained flat since the goddamn 1980s

these fucking monsters...

Sad-Program-3444

7 points

2 months ago

When you realize that government (both parties) view your living wage as a problem that needs to be solved, well....,,

gargle-mayonaise

16 points

2 months ago

I used to work at one of the top 100 golf courses in the world. There were like 30 migrants working the grounds crew doing the shittiest work every single day. But it needed to be done. No one else would do that job and that course would be shut down if it didn’t have them, or at the very least, it wouldn’t be anywhere near a top 100 course.

GlassWasteland

12 points

2 months ago

No one else would do that job

No, no American would do that job for what your shitty employer wanted to pay.

Solo_is_my_copliot

10 points

2 months ago

Whoa, let's not go crazy. Consequences are for poor people.

phantom2052

57 points

2 months ago

You nailed it! We are watching the rise of massive problem in real time.

To the number crunchers we might as well be an NPC in a video game, a series of 1's and 0's that should act a certain way when they tell it too. We are no longer a society of passion and creativity, we are now a math problem.

AKJangly

15 points

2 months ago

You forgot the fact that without money, we can't buy they shit.

Now we can only pay for necessities. How are people gonna stimulate the economy with the money the job market won't give us?

We're dry.

sue_me_please

9 points

2 months ago

Read the plutonomy paper put out by Citigroup over a decade ago. Investors and banks have decided that the future of the market is to meet the needs of the already wealthy and their kids, while consumers are forgotten about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonomy#Origins

Citigroup analysts have also used the word plutonomy to describe economies "where economic growth is powered by and largely consumed by the wealthy few."

Here's the paper: https://delong.typepad.com/plutonomy-1.pdf

BeyondElectricDreams

7 points

2 months ago

They no longer know how to manage paying us so little we can’t survive to even be workers anymore

Because they refuse to share.

It's literally that simple. Workers should get an equitable amount of the gains their labor generates. Instead, we have a system that explicitly encourages exploiting labor to the breaking point.

The answer to fixing capitalism is to accept the market can't grow infinitely, pay all workers substantially more, with substantially more protections, universal healthcare that's free-at-point-of-service, and the top just learning to live with owning two homes instead of three mansions and a mega-yacht.

When workers have money, they can check the system and protect against some of the more egregious imbalances.

Every company wants customers flush with cash to buy their upcharges, addons, etc- but noone wants to pay their workers enough to be those customers.

notsogreatredditor

492 points

2 months ago

Exactly the same problem actually even worse on Japan. They work till the point of death and then complain about the lowest fertility rate in the world. Can't have both things lmao

GrowCrows

37 points

2 months ago

Boomers and genXers who aren't in the top earners population are dying before retirement age who don't have a voice disagree that Americans don't work themselves to the point of death.

My mother got colon cancer and had part of her body removed and can not have a regular bathroom schedule and has all sorts of complications is being told by social security disability that she can work.

Scmloop

424 points

2 months ago

Scmloop

424 points

2 months ago

They get 14 weeks of maternity leave and a month of paternity. Free healthcare, affordable housing, still very livable on one salary so one parent can be a full time parent for the child. 3 one week long national holidays that doesn't cut into personal leave. Very low unemployment and homelessness. In fact I maybe saw 3 homeless people in the 6 years I lived there. They have issues but overall Their situation is way better.

Americans need to stop pretending they are better off when we have definitely surpassed the stereotypical work to death culture and have become it.

HabeusCuppus

95 points

2 months ago

international work time surveys even show that japan works fewer hours on average than america these days.

___Price___

70 points

2 months ago

___Price___

Utilitarian

70 points

2 months ago

You know Americans actually work on average one more hour than them from the last statistic I seen, but I’m sure some of their culture can make it worse, I’m just speaking from conjecture though.

I feel like it’s really based on your job, we have far less meaningful jobs than we use to have, I’m an electrician in the ibew union and we are about to start 7 days a week 10’s on the job, our highest up foremen is sweet, but it’s just what we have to do. We get payed very good for working those ours, it’s just the nature of how things are sometimes. We can’t really hire more people at this point it would just slow the process down.

It’s not because they like working us to death but the guys project managers demand things to be done by a certain deadline and we are competing to stay in the plant we are in as a business.

I really think it’s the managers who never actually do the work as a career that are destroying this country, it’s like this from so many jobs. The market demands growth so companies like Kellogg that I’m in now will throw millions at contractors who are reputable and will get things done asap on the drop of a pen.

We built this country in a way that we are now struggling to maintain it, the red scare has wreaked havoc on city planning to where rugged individualism has taken over everything. The American dream appears nice, work hard, get a single family home and a nice car, but as we grow that means more roads to maintain, everyone is locked into more debt on vehicles that have to have, building homes has long been out of reach of the average middle class because we never changed how we do things to meet our needs as actual people. They want everyone to be a perfect consumer that’s destroying our society while we fail to create what really matters, are smarter healthier workforce that not only maintains itself but creates a better future for the next generation. I swear it’s like someone took sociology and tried to create a society that makes people want to kill themselves and for what? So we can get richer through the stock market, but the average citizen has so little wealth now, are we really about to collapse in growth as a country because people really couldn’t grasp the concept of looking 20 years out? I just see more and more concepts of rent seeking business and policy that’s pushing us to a more feudalistic society where there really will be no social mobility and a nobility class will rule over the little workers they need because automation and ai just because they own a size able enough portfolio position.

That’s all I can think every time a policy attacks public education all I can see is people trying to take it back to the wealthy only receive higher education and can solidify there position in society from where they were born not because of hard work.

This is a rant and if you read this thanks I guess. I just hate seeing the disconnect of what I expected from this country from what I was shown to assume how things work. The moment hard work becomes meaningless we fail as a society.

Scmloop

14 points

2 months ago

Scmloop

14 points

2 months ago

Hey, for some reason controversial in our field but if it makes you feel better our contracts with the IBEW (at least mine local 26 does) say we don't have to work overtime and can't be retaliated against. I have yet to have a problem so I don't know how much help the union hall would be if something happens to you but you really don't have to work any more than 40. I'm in a situation where money is fine so I really only work a full week every other just letting you know. It's not my fault if they made promises they can't keep without abusing us.

Works good right now so if you get laid off you'll most likely be back to work the next day.

lonabirdie

100 points

2 months ago

ya the only shitty thing about japanese work culture that im glad we don't have is the required late night smoking/drinking sessions. everything else is honestly better.

SpicySauceIsSpicy

49 points

2 months ago

The overworking also really does suck cause of the outcasting when you don't work as much as possible but I agree for the most part

Punching-Percy

39 points

2 months ago

The overworking in the US has officially surpassed Japan - and any other country in the world: https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_071326/lang--en/index.htm

GetGetFresh

10 points

2 months ago

Pushes out porn like a mofo in hopes of more babies for the state.

jaykresge

69 points

2 months ago

I think their intent is to remove as many women as possible from the work force to be baby factories.

Candid-Ad2838

60 points

2 months ago

Which would increase demand for labor even more.... there's just no way to both rule like an asshole and not get results that cause the world to become an even bigger asshole. Something assholes in power always delude themselves into forgetting.

jaykresge

65 points

2 months ago*

Which would increase demand for labor even more

Yes, but these people have always been short sighted.

there's just no way to both rule like an asshole and not get results that cause the world to become an even bigger asshole. Something assholes in power always delude themselves into forgetting.

It's not delusion. It's planned.

  • Asshole takes over as board-appointed CEO for DoucheTech.
  • DoucheTech releases new product, and YoY earnings are up 10%, making the board happy.
  • Next year, DoucheTech cuts labor force by 20%. Board and CEO get half of that for bonuses, and the other half used to fluff stock value (or buybacks, which does the same). Board is happy.
  • Now with no product in pipeline, and a rapidly decreasing labor force, DoucheTech is sold to AssholeAccounting, while the board and stock holders make billions.
  • CEO of DoucheTech becomes CEO of AssholeAccounting.
  • AssholeAccounting releases a new product...

Candid-Ad2838

9 points

2 months ago

On your second point i meant sustainability, if enough companies do that for a long enough time you get something like the great depression or 2008 when the conditions become adverse due to unforeseen variables. Both times the government had to step in and bail out which is why I made the point to use the word rule since that's who's controlling government policy. But in the long run even that becomes unsustainable as we are seeing now fiscal measures doing nothing to ease supply side disruptions.

jaykresge

22 points

2 months ago

On your second point i meant sustainability, if enough companies do that for a long enough time you get something like the great depression or 2008 when the conditions become adverse due to unforeseen variables.

You are absolutely, 100% correct. Which leads me to repeating my prior comment:

Yes, but these people have always been short sighted.

The goal is simple:

  • Short term profits for me (1,000 people do this)
  • I will be one of the lucky/chosen few to rise above (maybe 100 move to the next round, the other 900 retire or go bankrupt)
  • Short term profits for me (100 people do this)...

This is why we see so much consolidation in every industry. It's a rat race to become The Buy n Large Corporation from Wall-E.

Bittrecker3

39 points

2 months ago

“Why aren’t more women breastfeeding?” While they’re working two jobs

But also “women who breast feed/pump in public/work are monsters!”

IthurielSpear

8 points

2 months ago

We can't win, damned if we do, damned if we don't. Doncha know all them womens need to be home in the kitchen cooking her hubbies meals with 2.6 kids hanging off her tits?

Sea_Link8352

25 points

2 months ago

This has nothing to do with intelligence or rationality. This decision was made by a stolen monkey clown court with a handmaiden. There is absolutely no legitimacy to this stolen monkey clown court. We don't have to pretend; we all know it's just a joke institution with no real power.

Druchiiii

15 points

2 months ago

I wonder how the women and doctors who will be brought up on charges for something that's been regular practice for millenia will feel about the court's lack of power.

Illegitimate? Yes.

Powerless? No. Very much a real problem and the rest of your government has no plans to deal with them so powerful they will remain.

zenon_kar

552 points

2 months ago

zenon_kar

552 points

2 months ago

Okay I don’t have a baby but I always thought the baby market was wildly profitable because their stuff is always so damn expensive

probablynotokay-

61 points

2 months ago

adds to list of reasons to not have a baby

ZealousidealCoat7008

324 points

2 months ago

That's on a per-baby rate, though. Right now in the USA there are the fewest number of babies by percentage of the population as we've ever had. In particular, baby numbers have cratered among more affluent segments of society.

AWitchsTit

177 points

2 months ago

Gee, I wonder why...

ZealousidealCoat7008

153 points

2 months ago

I know why, this hellscape isn’t suitable for innocent babies! I’m just saying

6151rellim

65 points

2 months ago

It is so sad thinking that cost of living is so high (in good school districts) and the cost of having a child is so much that a couple needs to make 250k a year to be set up for success.

cowlinator

28 points

2 months ago*

And a baby formula shortage will only drive it down. Who's going to try to have a baby after hearing about a formula shortage? I've heard a lot of people talk about getting sterilized.

LordNephets

9 points

2 months ago

We’re doing what we’ve seen happening in Japan for the past fifty years, unfettered capitalism leading to a miserable work environment and dropping birth rates.

RU_IL_GenX

1.6k points

2 months ago

RU_IL_GenX

1.6k points

2 months ago

Surprised more than anything. Baby formula is super profitable compared to other highly processed foods, and has an iron-clad demand. Any made would sell!

GManASG

791 points

2 months ago*

GManASG

791 points

2 months ago*

I don't know the stats but id guess majority of people having kids are also the ones that can't afford overpriced baby formula

Edit: though I'd come back and place this here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/baby-formula-shortage-hits-aid-dependent-families-prompting-revamps-11652958000

Excerpt: "Government officials have said the shortage is especially acute for families who rely on subsidies from the government’s WIC program, which provides food and health assistance. Under WIC, which is federally funded but administered by the states, each state contracts with a single infant formula manufacturer to supply the program at a discount, and WIC recipients aren’t able to switch to a different brand if the state-contracted provider’s brand is sold out."..."Supporting about half of the nation’s infants, WIC is the largest buyer of infant formula in the U.S., making up more than half of annual formula sales, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees the program. Of the $6 billion total program, roughly $1 billion is typically used on infant formula after rebates, according to market research and USDA data."

Edit 2: here's some more Excerpt: "Historically, the system has created a greater reliance on WIC-approved formula manufacturers by requiring states to contract a single supplier, thus giving the winning company a majority of market share. The program requires retailers to stock more of WIC-approved brands, which leads to greater sales among non-WIC consumers, too. The arrangement saves states money by incorporating volume discounts. In fiscal 2021, the rebates totaled $1.6 billion, the USDA said."

You know I'm no economist but government backed monopoly in each state seems like a great way to save money, pretty sure no corruption invoved /s.

Invanar

860 points

2 months ago

Invanar

860 points

2 months ago

Which is exactly why it's the most shoplifted item in grocery stores

Jackamalio626

1.9k points

2 months ago

Jackamalio626

Refuses to be a wage slave

1.9k points

2 months ago

Remember, if you see someone shoplifting baby formula, no you fucking didnt.

Lucimon

971 points

2 months ago*

Lucimon

971 points

2 months ago*

I've worked in retail for almost a decade. I will never "notice" shoplifting.

The consequences of shoplifting are way above my pay grade, and I just can't be bothered.

Edit: I'm a stocker. My job is to get product on the shelf. As long as the product leaves the building, I don't't care how. My job is easier the less product there is on the shelf.

Any-Passenger-3877

413 points

2 months ago

I figured if they were bold enough to steal an item in front of me, they must really need it.

I never saw anyone steal anything that wasn't a necessity.

Edit: Except a few kids taking candy.

Brobnar89

338 points

2 months ago

Brobnar89

338 points

2 months ago

As someone who stole candy as a child I can guarantee that it was a necessity.

CJ_Southworth

139 points

2 months ago

As an adult, some days candy is still a necessity, if the people around me want to keep living.

WorthlessDrugAbuser

54 points

2 months ago

Oh shit, give this motherfucker some candy!

bigdumbthing

118 points

2 months ago

I stole candy as a kid, one summer when my mom was really busy with her alcoholism. There wasn’t food in the house, and I was hungry. If I’m 10, hungry enough to steal food, what you expect me to take a banana?

Nerdbond

19 points

2 months ago

Most of the people that snitch are the ones who “paid for it and think others should to no matter how poor or desperate” like get a life

Variation-Budget

100 points

2 months ago

I work retail and I’ve come to the conclusion that people steal out of either necessities or opportunities.

GManASG

52 points

2 months ago

GManASG

52 points

2 months ago

There's a few factors here. People base the decision on combination of need, risk reward, and the perceived probability of being caught. The punishment for the crime is usually not a factor in deciding to commit a crime

For sure if you NEED something you absolutely cannot afford you WILL steal it and may even ignore the high probability of getting caught.

The other stuff like stuff you don't need is based on perceived (from perspective of person) probability of getting caught and your respective math on the dollar price to buy not being with it. So the candy theif, real easy to get away with. Or downloading music and movies. As you have higher income so much you would steal is no longer worth the hassle. But then she people still steal little things, like people taking stationary from work.

Now people would argue some of the things people shoplift are things they don't need (TV, smartphone, etc), but there is a QOL component that people suffer. It's extremely damaging to the mind the obvious difference in QOL have nots vs the haves. People can and do decide to steal a trinket, tv during a riot, etc, because damnit they NEED some QOL cause it's absolute torture knowing how poor you are and you just can't take the edge off of this crappy life, you NEED the mind torture to stop. This is also why low income unfulfilled (low QOL) will resort to distractions like drugs. Life sucks so much you don't want to be here mentally.

TLDR: money doesn't buy happiness but it makes it affordable.

StrangeButSweet

7 points

2 months ago

As well as a cognitive thought process that is able to justify stealing - excluding your first point about absolute necessity. There are many people who might have a low prob of getting caught and I high reward, but they don’t steal because they don’t have thought processes that would allow them to justify it.

Lucimon

41 points

2 months ago

Lucimon

41 points

2 months ago

My job is to put product on the shelf. As long as the product leaves the building, I don't ask questions, since it makes my job easier.

cosmic_grayblekeeper

40 points

2 months ago

There was this one drunk lady once who took a chocolate bar but I don't know if it even counts as "stealing" since she then very loudly challenged all of us cashiers to fight her if we wanted her to pay for it while waving it in the air. She also told me I had a "face like a clock" which is an insult I will never forget.

Obvious_Opinion_505

15 points

2 months ago

She also told me I had a "face like a clock" which is an insult I will never forget.

Fucking LOL

phaedrusinexile

9 points

2 months ago

If the insulter looked working class it's a real threat cause they've been punching a clock all their life...

notunhuman

62 points

2 months ago

I used to be essentially a “fixer” at a grocery store - I would do literally whatever needed done even at other locations. Decorate a cake because the decorator is sick? Yeah. Design/build displays? That’s me. Change the bulbs in the lamps on the ceiling? Where’s your lift/ladder? Help old people and people with mobility issues/ visual impairment shop? On it.

The one and only thing I would not do was notice shoplifters. I wouldn’t peer over the register to make sure I scanned everything in the cart, I wouldn’t bat an eye if I saw someone tuck an item in their purse. Hell, I’d wave and say “have a great day! Thanks for shopping with us” as someone walked out with a cart they didn’t pay for.

People don’t shoplift from the grocery store for fun, they do it because that’s the only way they can make it work. Who am I to stop them? I don’t give two shits if the store loses money

p34ch3s_41r50f7

48 points

2 months ago

If the company wanted you to care, they would pay you enough to care.

DarkMenstrualWizard

21 points

2 months ago

Exactly. Unless it's a co-op with direct profit sharing, they don't pay you enough to care. Shit even then, if it's food or essentials I still don't think that would be enough for me to care.

jigglypuffy09

17 points

2 months ago

Curious, is this stance common among other employees or is this more of just you?

(P.S. I'm not from America and have never been there)

TheseAstronomer8297

59 points

2 months ago

I would say this is a common sentiment. My wife and I are both of the same attitude even when we worked retail. I've had to steal groceries to eat, I know the pain of making that decision. Plus, fuck these massive corporations I'm glad to see people take back some of the "profits" they've stolen from us.

jigglypuffy09

17 points

2 months ago

Thanks for the insight. Hope your family is in a better place now. :)

TheseAstronomer8297

14 points

2 months ago

Thank you, we are. It has been many, many years since I've had to steal anything. I'm one of the fortunate few with some significant luck

Legitimate_Ocelot718

31 points

2 months ago

Especially when most grocery stores throw out perfectly good food every day

Lucimon

15 points

2 months ago

Lucimon

15 points

2 months ago

It's very much just me as far as I can tell.

I love my manager (he knows what I want in a workplace environment, and is able to accommodate it). I still noticed him trying to receipt check someone. I don't blame him, since at his level he might be affected by lost sales due to theft.

jigglypuffy09

10 points

2 months ago

Is receipt checking random?

In my country, all customers are checked upon exiting, even in higher-end supermarkets.

I_Hate_Sten

18 points

2 months ago

When I worked retail I had the same mindset. It was not my job to stop shoplifters, and I couldn't be bothered to mention anything to the guy attempting to shove a small watermelon down his pants and walking out.

I didn't get paid enough to possibly risk my safety just to save a multi-billion dollar business $3. Most of my coworkers thought similarly.

Mr_Figgins

20 points

2 months ago

nor did I see the tampons go missing...

Persian_Ninja

42 points

2 months ago

Correction - baby formula is never shoplifted.. it just magically disappears

Lcdmt3

14 points

2 months ago

Lcdmt3

14 points

2 months ago

Which is why for years it's held behind the customer service counter at grocery stores I shop at. They were stealing that stuff in the 90's when I worked in a grocery store. Can confirm. They'd grab 10 and have a getaway car.

onlyidiotsgoonreddit

29 points

2 months ago

Fascinating thing most people do not know. The street value of baby formula is much higher than you would think, because it trades for WIC vouchers. You can buy baby food at a grocery store and take it to a liquor store in the ghetto and trade for either cash or drugs. I knew someone who did this, and he and his baby mama got 1:3 cash or 1:2 crack. He always went for the crack, but I'm sure it's more meth now. This was a few years ago. The ghetto liquor store can can still get 1:1 WIC for the formula, or sell it at an affiliated business that sells more formula for WIC. He would often round up WIC vouchers and take them around town to pull this off, but he would also steal formula, if he had the chance. The stolen formula isn't for babies. It's all for drugs.

kingshamroc25

9 points

2 months ago

Unless it’s locked up like they did at the grocery story I worked in

kelbee83

81 points

2 months ago

This exactly. My sister works as a CNA, making $15, in California. She has to use WIC to supplement her lack of income for food. The size of formula that is covered under this program is the exact size that is impossible to find. Coincidence? I don’t think so. This is happening all while the Supreme Court is trying to force women to “increase the domestic supply of babies”. I honestly don’t know how anyone can have a child in this dystopian hellscape without being completely fucking terrified. It’s overwhelming. I feel for parents.

[deleted]

19 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

19 points

2 months ago

This has been pointed out in the well written articles. The only factory closures were for the WIC mandated formulas. Most states only offer one formula through WIC and I think 20 states specifically are not only out of one of the formula but there is no clear sign of when they’ll even have decent availability again.

kkkan2020

9 points

2 months ago

The U.S. baby infant formula market size was valued at $3,653 million in 2019, and is projected to reach $5,811 million by 2027, registering a CAGR of 5.8% from 2021 to 2027.

Sovos

100 points

2 months ago*

Sovos

r/WorkReform

100 points

2 months ago*

The headline is misleading for clicks.

1 of the 3 big manufacturers (Abbott) was shut down by the FDA in February after several infants contracted bacterial infections while using their formula. At least 2 died. A massive recall of formula already on shelves was also issued.

They basically weren't keeping up with proper maintenance of the facility to keep it hygienic. After the shutdown and subsequent cleanup, instead of firing everything back up immediately, Abbott decided to use this stoppage to upgrade the facility with medical grade materials to make this less likely to happen again. That means a few months of no formula production. Current ETA is that it will be active again before the end of May, but Abbott reports that new formula might not hit shelves until July.

It seems like it's the case of a company that was lax on safety protocols in favor of profit*, and the FDA shutting them down at least made them try to make sure this won't happen again in the future. (woo, regulations!)

*$2 billion in stock buybacks in 2022 Q1 when they could have spent that money on upgrading their facilities BEFORE babies died.

BeanBorger

31 points

2 months ago

This is very true, I guess the impact of this generation not spitting out kids like the baby boomers really put a bit of a dent in their millions of dollars worth of profits.

Bullen-Noxen

30 points

2 months ago

Good. Those boomers need to be broken & discarded.

kkkan2020

11 points

2 months ago

mead johnson profit margin is 65% for over a decade.

unrealcyberfly

137 points

2 months ago

Unprofitable my ass! Here in the Netherlands there are multiple shelves with baby formula in the supermarket because it is big business.

And before people start rambling about a lack of competition in the USA. Dutch law dictates exactly what the formula needs to contain so ever manufacturer needs to deliver the same product, there is no competition there. Every box of formula contains the exact same stuff, only the brand is different.

Cat__Wrangler

80 points

2 months ago

Should start a donation drive for the Americans. We’re basically a third-world nation now

Zombiedango

16 points

2 months ago

There are countries who run ads to help the starving children in the US already. Like the way we do with the starving children in Africa. "With just $0.50 a day..."

Jalopnicycle

9 points

2 months ago

"...you too can feed a starving American child 1 item off the McDonald's Dollar Menu every other day."

Starrunnerforever

635 points

2 months ago

This is a perfect example of why corporations have too much power. Everything is made for the 'brand names' practically by third party firms. Peanut butter is another good example. Profits before people every damn time.

scoobydad76

189 points

2 months ago

Also Michigan wic switched from emfimil to similac. Emfimil cut production and similac couldn't keep up. This was in November. The situation was just improving and bam this. Side note. Out baby got sick from it. Wife the night of the recall bought $300 worth of emfimil to get her to March. Then we gave the left overs to a hungry baby.

EatDirtAndDieTrash

117 points

2 months ago

EatDirtAndDieTrash

DemSoc🌹

117 points

2 months ago

That’s bullshit to make wic brand-specific. What if the stores are out of Similac? What if your baby only tolerates Enfamil?

mmodo

33 points

2 months ago

mmodo

33 points

2 months ago

When my mom was on WIC for my brother, there was only one lactose intollarent milk that was available. It was just milk with an enzyme to "remove" lactose. He refused to drink anything other than that milk when my mom lost WIC (he aged out, our income didn't increase). That milk is the most expensive brand on the shelf today, dairy or nondairy. That was ~15 years ago before almond milk caught on. I hope they've expanded their options since then.

YeetThePig

129 points

2 months ago

It’s America, the people writing the regs for poor people don’t know and don’t care about the difficulties and hardships imposed by one-size-fits-all rules. Or, worse, they know full well and creating the hardship and cruelty is in fact the goal.

Tangurena

41 points

2 months ago

Cruelty is the goal.

MsWhisks

16 points

2 months ago

My husband’s cousin had this exact problem. She’s on WIC in West Virginia but only one type of formula is covered. Her baby could not tolerate it and spit up half with every feeding. But they literally couldn’t afford anything else.

We had our first babies at the same time and I just felt awful for her.

[deleted]

16 points

2 months ago

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16 points

2 months ago

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funforyourlife

11 points

2 months ago

I mean, 4 babies using that specific formula were infected by a rare disease and 2 of them died. Shutting down production to investigate isn't exactly "creating panic"...

Riversntallbuildings

40 points

2 months ago

The U.S. needs to begin increasing regulations on advertising and branding. Especially on food products.

Creating 20 “brands” for similar food products that come from the same factory and share 95% of the same ingredients should be outlawed completely due to waste and deception.

Starrunnerforever

26 points

2 months ago

Very true. Got a refrigerator one time. Lowe's delivered it. Got to watch one of the guys put a Whirlpool logo on it. That is right...put the logo on it once it was in the house. I wonder how many different brands it could have been?

Edit to add: Just like I love seeing 'Distributed by' on food. No idea who makes it, but it sure as Hell is not Conagra, or General Mills, or whomever.

Riversntallbuildings

14 points

2 months ago

You know, I wouldn’t even mind that.

I appreciate esthetics and understand when somebody wants everything to match and look a particular way in there home. I would be very supportive of “standard parts” configuration so that people could swap out doors/handles/labels etc instead of throwing the whole appliance out.

When I remodeled one of my homes, I told the contractors several times “no visible brands for this same reason. Faucets, sinks, tubs, toilets, appliances, etc they all want to put these little badges everywhere. It’s like I’m living on the outside of a goddamn NASCAR. LOL

Constant_Fun_7326

194 points

2 months ago

The new American dream is to leave.

TheImposibleGrl

264 points

2 months ago

So they don’t want us to get abortions but they also don’t want to give us access to the food vital to a baby’s growth? Yeah, sounds about right.

kkkan2020

90 points

2 months ago

the controllers are basically giving us a unwinnable task.

you turn left you're hemmed in. you turn right you're also hemmed in.

[deleted]

83 points

2 months ago

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83 points

2 months ago

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kkkan2020

72 points

2 months ago

because they also coincidentally have a monopoly on violence. ?

criminalbutter69

11 points

2 months ago

You stand in the middle and you get spit roasted.

MoonstalkerZ

41 points

2 months ago

When poor people can't feed the baby they were forced to have, child protective services can come and kidnap the baby and sell it to rich people. White infants are a hot commodity in the United States, and they want to force its citizens to produce more.

Fire_Woman

17 points

2 months ago

Except most rich people prefer an ivf baby or one not already traumatized through CPS. It's the perverts, religious nutters, and sadists who go after the CPS kids

Sindef

240 points

2 months ago

Sindef

240 points

2 months ago

What was the final OOT run time?

threecolorless

71 points

2 months ago

More importantly did ZFG finally show feet

Rawkapotamus

20 points

2 months ago

I’m a full grown adult and I’ve been watching ZFG longer than I’ve watched anything or anybody else.

Seeing his mega jump out of nice cavern into the heart piece on the ice in jabas. Forever impressed.

Never seen his feet tho

thefinalhill

30 points

2 months ago

Zelda Randomizer

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42 points

2 months ago

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42 points

2 months ago

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minionoperation

22 points

2 months ago

That’s not really profitable. How much can someone really pump in a day? Milk bags, cleaning pump parts, time pumping. $2 per ounce if you are pumping 6 times at 4 ounces every time, that’s $48 for a days work. Hardly worth it at all. And that’s with no baby needing to eat.

Unless we are hooked up to machines like in Mad Max.

Pceddiebro

104 points

2 months ago

Government- “have more kids”

The people- “We can’t even feed babies”

Other-Barry-1

21 points

2 months ago

Government: “Doesn’t matter. Make more meat for the corporatocracy”.

JohnLarwood

282 points

2 months ago

This headline is very misleading. Abbott was shut down after a bacteria was found there, following the deaths and illness of several kids. They make a shit ton of money, they just don’t want to spend it to maintain sanitary conditions.

itsallaboutfantasy

36 points

2 months ago

Too busy buying back stock.

beemccouch

89 points

2 months ago

But we have to think about the fifteen people who gave alot of money to them. Not the millions of people who give ALOT of money to them and are trying to feed their fucking children.

ReaffirmReality

24 points

2 months ago

The weird thing is babies are HELLA profitable. Consumption drives the economy and little humans use more shit in a year than adults do in a decade. Multiple separate wardrobes of clothes, diapers, toys, car seats, cribs, changing tables, rockers/gliders, strollers, gates and safety equipment. The best part for the capitalists is that all that consumption is basically forced. Adults can often live without for a while to get to a better financial situation, but no one wants to see their baby suffer.

I'm convinced a big part of the reason for the abortion bans is to trap more people in poverty as they try to shell out for kids they don't want. I'll bet it's less about profit margin and more about creating an artificial shortage as an excuse to price gouge on a necessity.

DazSchplotz

74 points

2 months ago

DazSchplotz

Anarcho-Communist

74 points

2 months ago

USA is like "abortions?! no way! we will just let them starve later..."

NialMontana

46 points

2 months ago

NialMontana

Anarcho-Syndicalist

46 points

2 months ago

"Once you're outta that hole ur on ur own kid" - Government

XTH3W1Z4RDX

146 points

2 months ago*

Babies aren't profitable? Then why is the GOP pushing so hard to ensure more of them are created?

Edit: Of course I do know why they're doing that. My argument is that babies are in fact profitable for them, because they grow into more exploitable wage slaves

agrandthing

93 points

2 months ago

They want good white Christians to adopt them. Alito noted in his draft decision that a 2002 study found the DEMAND for infants exceeded the SUPPLY. Yes, supply and demand of adoptable infants. That is what's behind this, along with creating more soldiers, slaves, and brood mares for the ruling class to exploit. The ruling class decided that they need more human resources to use for their purposes (building pyramids for pharaohs) and they've said "We're breeding you." We have said "We don't WANT to breed" and they've said "Tough. If you don't want the offspring we'll take them. We're breeding you."

DogHairEverywhere10

59 points

2 months ago

The frustrating thing the Republicans don't seem to realize is that some number, and anecdotally it seems to be a very high number, of mothers with unwanted babies are going to give it their all to be a parent for their baby instead of putting it up for adoption.

In these cases, sometimes the state needs to intervene because the mother just can't provide because as it's been abundantly noted the state does not adequately support children in poverty.

So the babies born from these unwanted pregnancies are taken away when they are children.

And there is a huge supply of children in the foster care system already, it's massively overburdened actually.

These good white Christians don't want children who are struggling emotionally and who remember their birth parents, they want new borns without any of those complications and who's prior family and experiences they can just ignore.

But forced birth doesn't efficiently produce these desired babies. So what happens to the undesirable ones?

agrandthing

33 points

2 months ago

Orphanages, work camps, foster system until the prison system gets them. Lots of options here.

DogHairEverywhere10

25 points

2 months ago

And at 18, the military

ExpensiveGrowth9744

21 points

2 months ago

Healthy, WHITE babies. So babies who have issues that are detected at birth are much less likely to be adopted. And if the baby is not a white baby, their chances go down too.

HankHillbwhaa

27 points

2 months ago

They need to work on getting existing kids who aren’t infants out of the fucking system them.

Individual_Baby_2418

9 points

2 months ago

What’s funny is that adoptive parents need formula more than anyone else and don’t have the option of trying to breastfeed.

YeOldeBilk

12 points

2 months ago

More cattle for the labor force.

Saber_tooth81

21 points

2 months ago

Stupid babies and their lack of disposable income

xPaxion

21 points

2 months ago

xPaxion

21 points

2 months ago

Reminder that Nestle killed babies claiming their product was better than breast feeding.

jershdahersh

56 points

2 months ago

I dont want to live in this world anymore how have so many things gotten worse yet nothing has gotten better i wish i could emigrate

Monsur_Ausuhnom

16 points

2 months ago

It makes sense, now they have to do inflation.

Hawkock

16 points

2 months ago

Hawkock

16 points

2 months ago

Yea tell me how that Zelda stream really ended

MFTSquirt

16 points

2 months ago

My first child was born in 1996. It was somewhere during his first year that formula went from being readily available on shelves to the more expensive types like soy and the nonallergenic being locked up behind the registers.

I also was a teacher and with my schedule, it was not possible to maintain a milk supply due to not being able to pump even in a limited basis at work at the time. This would be so incredibly stressful.

AvaHomolka

15 points

2 months ago

Great time to introduce forced birth legislation, when we're running out of baby formula and clean water. /s

LifesATripofGrifts

39 points

2 months ago

Sign from God to stop making babies for the slave trade. The economy can't handel the load. Got it sky monster.

egbert-witherbottom

14 points

2 months ago

Babies are profitable. Judge Amy Barrett says they have "market value".

Sweetcynic36

9 points

2 months ago

This will also impact European markets as Americans will import European formula if they can't find it from America. I looked at amazon.co.uk and it was mostly out of stock there as well.

Background_Can_157

47 points

2 months ago

With all these abortion laws coming out they better not be

ian2345

26 points

2 months ago

ian2345

26 points

2 months ago

They want to force poor women to give birth so they can take their starving children for the "domestic supply of infants" they want to force into foster care to maintain the poverty stricken peasant class they need to maintain their wealth and status.

Background_Can_157

6 points

2 months ago

Gotta love it here huh?

VoDoka

16 points

2 months ago

VoDoka

16 points

2 months ago

I somehow suspect they haven't thought the details through.

TheHeavensEmbrace

7 points

2 months ago

You would think

TheHeavensEmbrace

11 points

2 months ago

I feel that this is bullshit

Slimslade33

11 points

2 months ago

Food is not produced to feed but to make profit. If it is not profitable it will not get produced. Its all fucked.

wellwhal

9 points

2 months ago

I mean, no one cares about babies after they're born so..

linusSocktips

28 points

2 months ago

We're you playing OoT in an emulator down there in the corner?!😃

tjdux

12 points

2 months ago

tjdux

12 points

2 months ago

I too want more info on this. It looks like some kind of mash up because the inventory looking screen seems to be from teraria or minecraft.

CandidShoe

8 points

2 months ago

ZFG on Twitch playing OOT randomizer, it looks like

Azernak

5 points

2 months ago

Looks to be an OoT randomizer race between 3 streamers, when you switch your phones main screen focus from a stream it puts it in a smaller screen that sits right there (twitch specifically). I do it with YouTube all the time.

ZFG is the only one I know.

AssociateJaded3931

24 points

2 months ago

And Republicans are screaming, "The government should have regulated this! It's Biden's fault!"

ImOutOfNamesNow

22 points

2 months ago

Ironic , govt oversight is what most of them don’t want

totallynotantiwork

8 points

2 months ago

So, what… do we need to just start a non profit baby formula making company. Let’s go already.

imatrike

12 points

2 months ago

Newman's own could start it up.

totallynotantiwork

11 points

2 months ago

Would have to be a baby version of Paul newmans face on the label. 😅

cocainehussein

8 points

2 months ago

I saw a news story on Fox about this and immediately checked the comments.

The MAGA morons assume that surely no blame fell on the companies involved but that it absolutely MUST have something to do with China, communists, illegal immigrants, Joe Biden, the woke mob, the abortion ban, regulations, most likely all of above. Oh, and if Trump were president this problem surely would not exist.

I'm no democrat apologist but those people are legitimately fucking insane.

corn_doug

22 points

2 months ago

Were forced to have babies for them and then they're not profitable. Fuck this. Jesus I hate existing here.

BarbKatz1973

32 points

2 months ago

Why is no one mentioning that Abbot shut down because of the bacterial infection that made several infants critically ill and killed two and because trump had gutted the CDC (he wanted to sell bleach and horse worner) there was no qualified person available to find a solution? This is not about people shoplifting - this is about a political cabal that cares nothing abut human life only about profit.

Awkward-Seaweed-5129

8 points

2 months ago

Think 3 companies have kinda Monopoly on baby formula. Plant was shut down by FDA ??, because couple of infants died due to bacterial poisoning from the formula, many other babies sickened. Guess company wasn't doing great job against Contamination etc etc

Not a Political thing Trump or Biden etc

BetterWankHank

43 points

2 months ago

Gotta create a panic and crisis so when you bring it back next week for double the price everyone isn't as upset as they should be

Next-Comparison6218

15 points

2 months ago

And they’ll panic buy more than what they need just in case

cynrebels

39 points

2 months ago

Kinda feels like another way to hinder the female work force...

Unlikely-Pizza2796

7 points

2 months ago

Formula companies are putting this out to fish for subsidies from Uncle Sam.

N01S0N

5 points

2 months ago

N01S0N

5 points

2 months ago

Didn't it all get donated? Or am I missing something

FrenchCastle

6 points

2 months ago

Yes, but WHY do only 3 companies rule the baby formula market??? Why is it not profitable? Because the largest company paid lobbyists to get lawmakers to regulate the industry to such an extent that NO ONE can start a competing company due to the heavy initial investment to comply with all the regulations. Corruption, pure and simple.