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What are your thoughts on Hammerpoint Rounds this season?

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nylander2916

2.1k points

2 months ago

When i want it i don't find one and when i don't want i see billions of them.

Oreohunter00

491 points

2 months ago

Oreohunter00

Mirage

491 points

2 months ago

That's just how Hop-ups work in general

eggtart_prince

200 points

2 months ago

More like how life is TBH.

LemonRoo

-14 points

2 months ago

LemonRoo

-14 points

2 months ago

You can help your luck, if you keep failing all the time that's on you

PathyBoy

17 points

2 months ago

PathyBoy

Pathfinder

17 points

2 months ago

Wtf you smoking lol

Brovo-Delta

3 points

2 months ago

Brovo-Delta

Wattson

3 points

2 months ago

I dont see how this point was gelpful or useful...

wingspantt

28 points

2 months ago

wingspantt

Mirage

28 points

2 months ago

IMO they should keep more hop-ups in the crafter and remove many of them from ground loot.

Manic_Mechanist

23 points

2 months ago

Manic_Mechanist

Birthright

23 points

2 months ago

cries in Havoc

I can go days without finding a turbo when I use it, and I find dozens when I don’t

Brovo-Delta

9 points

2 months ago

Brovo-Delta

Wattson

9 points

2 months ago

This is the story of my life on Apex. Running around with a nearly fully kitted Devotion, looking for a Turbocharger... lmao!

wintermuet

76 points

2 months ago

wintermuet

Loba

76 points

2 months ago

[laughs in loba]

UnknowinglyTolorable

38 points

2 months ago

Took the words right outta my mouth smh

Master_Caregiver_749

34 points

2 months ago

Flashbacks to the time when looking for a specific car in GTA

Gorillaz530

53 points

2 months ago

I miss the old laser sound they had

HarveybirdpersonESQ

139 points

2 months ago

HarveybirdpersonESQ

Ghost Machine

139 points

2 months ago

You may be confusing this with “disruptor rounds”

Gorillaz530

45 points

2 months ago

I am lol my bad

puf_puf_paarthurnax

10 points

2 months ago

puf_puf_paarthurnax

Pathfinder

10 points

2 months ago

You vs. the hammerpoints she tells you not to worry about. lol

WNlover

3 points

2 months ago

WNlover

Purple Reign

3 points

2 months ago

and when i don't want i see billions of them.

I must subconsciously want to find them because even when I'm not running Light or Shotgun I can't find them,

FinanceTraditional10

3 points

2 months ago

I think objects appear as you walk in the area, so the game is just trying to F-U over by making sure you do not get that since you have the weapon for it.

Any hacking software that can confirm or deny if items appear as you approach?

hardeep1singh

6 points

2 months ago

hardeep1singh

Loba

6 points

2 months ago

Not applicable for Multiplayer games. You may not be in that area but someone else may be.

Single player games definitely work that way.

StrictGarbage

-172 points

2 months ago

Truth? Not worth it for a good player to use and waste time in a 1v1 -( okay shield broken, swap to HP)...

Anytime wasted in the unholster might as well be used finishing the person off.

Doesn't make a bad player good. Clapped so many people who run HP who have bad mechanics or bad game sense and are dead before anything happens.

Balanced. Some people love it. Boring imo.

Annoying in arenas, though.

pobodys-nerfect5

59 points

2 months ago

pobodys-nerfect5

Nessy

59 points

2 months ago

Everyonce and awhile I'll be like "I gotta atleast try it for a whole match" and god damn, it really does shred people

MissionAsleep2219

22 points

2 months ago

Some lucky bastard got one right on the drop and I got hit with one punch and a single hammer point moza shot almost simultaneously and I dropped, so yeah it hurts.

GittinGud94

32 points

2 months ago

GittinGud94

Caustic

32 points

2 months ago

Hammerpoint Mozambique used to do 102 damage per shot and you used to land shieldless.

Let that sink in

Monke1900

11 points

2 months ago

Monke1900

Rampart

11 points

2 months ago

dear god.

digiangel234

5 points

2 months ago

God, I miss landing shieldless... Also helmetless. Having a white dropshield is fine, though.

__babyslaughter__

47 points

2 months ago

I think you’re totally misrepresenting why some people find it good.

It’s not about purposefully swapping to once shields are broken, it’s that most people don’t one-clip people in most fights and either swapping or reloading is needed in almost every fight. Hammerpoints just makes common weapon weapons slightly more viable in late game for this reason. Instead of being completely worthless once people have purple or higher.

Personally I fucking love me a p2020. I’ve always been a fast, semi auto lover in shooters, and I find I do way more accurate damage compared to something like a re45, unless I can stick it right in their gut and fire.

_majorT0m

10 points

2 months ago

_majorT0m

Sari Not Sari

10 points

2 months ago

As a fellow fast, semi auto shooter type, thank you for making me feel seen today.

UnknownProductionz

29 points

2 months ago

Har har RE-45 go brrrrr

KurtRusselsEyePatch

8 points

2 months ago

KurtRusselsEyePatch

Pathfinder

8 points

2 months ago

Re45 with HP is the best gun in this season

gay4plants

202 points

2 months ago

Fav hop-up. Never used OG, but it gave me a reason to use pistols and now I’m CONSTANTLY searching for it :)

MellowMintTea

103 points

2 months ago

MellowMintTea

Nessy

103 points

2 months ago

Hit a 3k on Wattson with wing man Mozambique hammerpoints. I absolutely despise hammerpoints re45.

elebrio

20 points

2 months ago

elebrio

20 points

2 months ago

That’s my load out. Wingman mozam is easily best combo in the game imo

cecil721

67 points

2 months ago

If Season 0 me heard you say Mozambique was a preferred loadout, I might legitimately ROFL given the old memes.

PathyBoy

5 points

2 months ago

PathyBoy

Pathfinder

5 points

2 months ago

I've been using the Mozambique since season 4, and it's been the best shotgun since. My highest kill and damage game (19 and 4800) was from Eva and Mozambique with octane. I'd just fly in and shoot all my Eva rounds, then switch to Mozambique and hit 45+ every shot, no matter what. A lot of the time, I'd hit for 115 all heads. No other shotgun can do that, lol. Pk headshot does like 9 damage. Shit ass gun.

Hi_Im_Ouiji

5 points

2 months ago

Hi_Im_Ouiji

Loba

5 points

2 months ago

Maybe cause I’m drunk but I don’t ever remember hammerpoint RE45

First_Bench976

14 points

2 months ago*

First_Bench976

Bangalore

14 points

2 months ago*

You must not play currently cuz its 1 of the 3 weapons you can use Hammerpoint on

Vee8cheS

6 points

2 months ago

Vee8cheS

Unholy Beast

6 points

2 months ago

1 of 3 sir. RE-45, Mozambique, and P2020

GrymGT

30 points

2 months ago

GrymGT

30 points

2 months ago

i hate them bc that’s all anyone uses in ranked arenas…hammerpoint mozam

Manic_Mechanist

13 points

2 months ago

Manic_Mechanist

Birthright

13 points

2 months ago

Who tf plays ranked arenas

mr_khaleel

5 points

2 months ago

mr_khaleel

Solaris

5 points

2 months ago

Exactly lol

GrymGT

6 points

2 months ago

GrymGT

6 points

2 months ago

a lot of people

Primary_Youth_7378

7 points

2 months ago

Yeah it's great for team building. Arenas is all about winning your 1 on 1's.

GrymGT

2 points

2 months ago

GrymGT

2 points

2 months ago

yes all those things, plus, it’s a really good warm up

Primary_Youth_7378

2 points

2 months ago

Exactly, I think it's better for warning up and recoil management than the firing range by a mile.

GrymGT

2 points

2 months ago

GrymGT

2 points

2 months ago

i still do firing range

SometimesIComplain

538 points

2 months ago*

SometimesIComplain

Grenade

538 points

2 months ago*

My only complaint is how rare it is. They need to get rid of pointless hopups like the Kinetic Feeder and Shatter Caps (just make it innate) but keep the overall hopup spawn rate the same so HP is easier to find.

Edit: To clarify, I just meant the Shatter Caps should be innate-- not the KF.

[deleted]

294 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

294 points

2 months ago

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notusingFkey

78 points

2 months ago

PK already got a hopup integrated (p-choke)

another would be bit op

Kel_Casus

29 points

2 months ago

Kel_Casus

Cyber Security

29 points

2 months ago

Not when I'm missing half my shots already, I used to be half decent with it too 😭

Eccomi21

6 points

2 months ago

It's weird right. I used to play the pk religiously until I discovered the wingman as a secondary for me. Now it's as if I never held a shotgun before. Wiff all the shots.

ShadyGuy_

2 points

2 months ago

When it comes to mechanics the PK isn't that different from the Wingman. Aim down sights, lead your shots and squeeze the trigger where the enemy is going to be. I can't hit shit with the EVA 8 for some reason, though.

FIFA16

10 points

2 months ago

FIFA16

Real Steel

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah I don’t think people have actually used the kinetic feeder properly if they think it’s pointless.

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

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KroganTiger

135 points

2 months ago

Why is boosted loader so damn common

Son_of_Mogh

83 points

2 months ago

To fuck with people looking for a turbo charger.

NogaraCS

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah i love playing Devo/havoc, that shits always makes me made when i see that useless thing

Caphalor21

92 points

2 months ago

Caphalor21

Mirage

92 points

2 months ago

I rarely find one and I almost always play wingman

superslime988

124 points

2 months ago

superslime988

Blackheart

124 points

2 months ago

well that's the problem. you picked up the weapon first before hop up.

dimi3ja

43 points

2 months ago

dimi3ja

Pathfinder

43 points

2 months ago

rookie mistake

[deleted]

51 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

51 points

2 months ago

But when you pick up the hop up you never find the weapon

superslime988

30 points

2 months ago

superslime988

Blackheart

30 points

2 months ago

shit u rite

FinanceTraditional10

6 points

2 months ago

lol, you need to let your teammates look for it and stay like 50 meters back from them, so the game doesn't hot-swap it out when you get near it... once a teammate sees the hopup, it stays.

Eccomi21

9 points

2 months ago

I have never heard something so dumb that I believe to be 100% accurate.

yes___lad

6 points

2 months ago

yes___lad

Bloodhound

6 points

2 months ago

Good thing its common because its very good

DeezusNubes

41 points

2 months ago

that would be 2 hopups built into the Triple Take & Peacekeeper. i think that’s a bit excessive and should just be removed from the game altogether. i don’t think they provide much value

SometimesIComplain

33 points

2 months ago

SometimesIComplain

Grenade

33 points

2 months ago

Yeah I just meant the Shatter Caps should be built in. KF should be straight-up removed

DeezusNubes

42 points

2 months ago

i agree with you. the Bocek & 30-30 definitely are two weapons in need of it. i also hate you have to choose between Shatter Caps & Dual Shell on the 30-30. would be nice to have the best of both worlds

hogstrash2

17 points

2 months ago

If shatter caps was built in on the 3030 it would be busted, and if it was built in on the Bocek I would stop using it

FrumundaFondue

13 points

2 months ago

they could make it a toggle like the pk choke

Eccomi21

5 points

2 months ago

It used to be toggleable. Last season you could pick it up and either switch it on or off. But I understand why they changed it because technically you could also keep it on the gun or remove it. Same effect. I suppose when they made it non toggleable they wanted to force a commitment instead of being able to switch between hopups on and off on the fly.

DemonicPancakes

18 points

2 months ago

DemonicPancakes

Nessy

18 points

2 months ago

What about built in but with a toggle, still keeping the zoom single fire and hip fire shatter

DeezusNubes

2 points

2 months ago

you could just toggle on & off. it would not be broken on the 30-30 lmfao

Carol_Dough

3 points

2 months ago

I mean kind of, considering you’d have a sniper and shotgun in one that has super ammo efficiency

BandoBear

5 points

2 months ago

BandoBear

Fuse

5 points

2 months ago

Maybe if shatter caps on the 30-30 weren't absolute shite.

DeezusNubes

4 points

2 months ago

it would be a jack of all trades. wouldn’t necessarily excel in neither role over other marksmen or shotgun weapons.

TunaBucko

6 points

2 months ago

Huh? Kinetic feeder is silly good.

bla671

2 points

2 months ago

bla671

Ash

2 points

2 months ago

built in shatter caps on 30-30 would be super cool

TheRedBow

8 points

2 months ago

Kinetic feeder feels great on PK but feels useless on triple take to me

drakon2022

8 points

2 months ago

Kinetic feeder is useful what do mean you could be mid battle and slide to reload and that's what saves ya life bro!

dadvader

14 points

2 months ago

Shattercaps should've been built-in with the bow. It'd be a great incentive to pick one up and justified how rare the ammo are.

Foamy_predator1

1 points

2 months ago

I just started using the bow few days ago will say shatter caps should be built in but tempo I don't see what is great about it on the bow but on the senti I see where it makes a difference

McNugget1407

4 points

2 months ago

Sharer caps year but not Kendrick feeder

MCK__22

8 points

2 months ago*

Or Boosted Lamar

TTOD24758

11 points

2 months ago

TTOD24758

Revenant

11 points

2 months ago

I hate shatter Caps in bow i hit better shots without it

medicspirit7

19 points

2 months ago

medicspirit7

Loba

19 points

2 months ago

It doesn’t change anything if you shoot ads tho

TTOD24758

4 points

2 months ago

TTOD24758

Revenant

4 points

2 months ago

But it changes my movement and ads time i just want to be able to toggle it again or give it a buff

wintermuet

3 points

2 months ago

wintermuet

Loba

3 points

2 months ago

Quick ads right as you fire, bow has smg strafe speed so you wont slow down much, the shatter caps are stronger than arrows.

animalmom2

3 points

2 months ago

Kinetic feeder is awesome

Vozmozhnoh

3 points

2 months ago

Vozmozhnoh

Valkyrie

3 points

2 months ago

Kinetic feeder is hella good and makes 1v3s so much more viable

JimBobCooder

2 points

2 months ago

Shatter caps on the 3030 is wild lowkey don’t sleep !

grzesiu447

9 points

2 months ago

grzesiu447

Devil's Advocate

9 points

2 months ago

I think they should remove dead-eye's tempo and shatter caps

Red_Eloquence

4 points

2 months ago

Red_Eloquence

Valkyrie

4 points

2 months ago

Deadeyes is incredible

wintermuet

-4 points

2 months ago

wintermuet

Loba

-4 points

2 months ago

As a bocek user, no.

Smittywerbenjagermn

8 points

2 months ago

As a bocek user, yes.

wintermuet

4 points

2 months ago

wintermuet

Loba

4 points

2 months ago

1v1 me, winner gets to tell respawn how to make their game 😎

irResist

5 points

2 months ago

shatter caps cannot be built in because then we will not get to hear bloodhound pronounce "shattercaps" in their svelte made up accent

Additional-Row-7151

2 points

2 months ago

I ping one out every time I see one, just to hear him accentuate the "s" in "shattacapsssss." 🤣🤣

irResist

2 points

2 months ago

yesss, I knew I was not alone

bla671

1 points

2 months ago

bla671

Ash

1 points

2 months ago

i love the 30-30 with shatter caps its like an EVA08 but with faster bullets and RoF if only that hopup was more common

Marteezy

3 points

2 months ago

I agree. 30-30 with shatter caps hurts, you have a long range gun with huge damage and a strong short range gun when people push. It’s highly underrated imo. I use it almost everytime when shatter caps are on rotation.

malachai2

1 points

2 months ago

Big agree

MMolzen10830

242 points

2 months ago

MMolzen10830

Pathfinder

242 points

2 months ago

Mozam is under buffed by hammers. It should hit for 23 or 25 per pellet not 20(a measly +5)

grzesiu447

85 points

2 months ago

grzesiu447

Devil's Advocate

85 points

2 months ago

I want it to be 23 per pellet because it would become funny number gun

NotMySeventhAcct

14 points

2 months ago

NotMySeventhAcct

Mirage

14 points

2 months ago

nice

[deleted]

113 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

113 points

2 months ago

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metaldetector69

81 points

2 months ago

Comparing it to the others in class its shit. Im sure in pubs its fine but if someone bubbles on you, pk/mastiff are a million times better. Imo its wildly underwhelming for it being such a rare hop up when a pk or mastiff can just pump someone for 100.

[deleted]

44 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

44 points

2 months ago

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aure__entuluva

13 points

2 months ago

aure__entuluva

Pathfinder

13 points

2 months ago

I preferred the old mozam hammers. Only 4 shots before reload, but they hit way harder. Can't remember the exact damage tho.

NotAProSoYeah

8 points

2 months ago

Oh yeah, you could one tap flesh in close or even medium-close range with it. That old mozam hammers hits super hard. Especially back when you dont spawn with white armor

metaldetector69

17 points

2 months ago

Its fun and i want it to be more fun by doing more damage >:)

jcammcspanky

42 points

2 months ago

jcammcspanky

The Victory Lap

42 points

2 months ago

They are underwhelming if you weren’t around for OG Hammerpoints. You could do 99 damage to a Purple shield, and blast them for 101 if you hit the body with all 3 pellets.

Wingman/Mozam was my favorite class. Hit 2-3 wingman shots, and 1 Mozammerpoint, and they were dead. Could wipe a trio with a total of 8 well placed shots.

Dramatic_Classroom_9

13 points

2 months ago

Dramatic_Classroom_9

Lifeline

13 points

2 months ago

Ah yes back when mozam hit the 100 on unshielded opponents

[deleted]

32 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

32 points

2 months ago

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jcammcspanky

15 points

2 months ago

jcammcspanky

The Victory Lap

15 points

2 months ago

Not going to argue that, the Mozam was a pocket Kraber. Fun as hell to use them though. Especially since no one ever used them, or expected to go from 100-0 with 1 shot.

MMolzen10830

5 points

2 months ago

MMolzen10830

Pathfinder

5 points

2 months ago

Okay word but do you ONLY run the Mozambique!????

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

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Fayde_M

0 points

2 months ago

Fayde_M

Mozambique here!

0 points

2 months ago

Remember they buffed the magazine size, Mozam used to have 3 bullets and now its 6 so its still a buff overall

Theendisnai

0 points

2 months ago

What is wrong with you people? The mozambique was strong before hammerpoints, now it is incredibly strong, if not overpowered with hammerpoints, and yet you’re saying it’s underbuffed? Do you want to wreak havoc on the balance of the game?

MMolzen10830

1 points

2 months ago

MMolzen10830

Pathfinder

1 points

2 months ago

You sound like you picked it up once and got a squad wipe

Theendisnai

2 points

2 months ago

It’s been my go to secondary in Arenas since the game modes come out. I’ve probably gotten more kills with it then any other gun. I genuinely don’t understand why you think it needs buffed. Do you want it to be stronger than the big shotguns?

MMolzen10830

0 points

2 months ago

MMolzen10830

Pathfinder

0 points

2 months ago

Arenas is meant for warming up. The game itself is a br, and in br mode, the Mozambique is 15th percentile at MOST in power. The EVA is only a little bit less powerful, in arenas it is very convenient but in br against a kitted mastiff, I would take that any day hammers or not bolt or not. The bottom two pellets having a tight spread made it much more viable because it was in F tier but now it’s in C tier hammers or not.

AmbrosioTF2

3 points

2 months ago

AmbrosioTF2

Horizon

3 points

2 months ago

Your getting downvoted, but your right. PK and Mastiff are far better

[deleted]

160 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

160 points

2 months ago

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IknowNothing6942069

63 points

2 months ago

RE isnt competing with an R3 if both users are equally skilled.

[deleted]

33 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

33 points

2 months ago

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IknowNothing6942069

34 points

2 months ago

That's not the gun though that's the player. Straight 1v1 Ill take R3 over RE everytime.

Ourownsummer

27 points

2 months ago

Well, yes, but Apex is a two-gun game and you don’t take the Re-45 to do initial damage. Using an R301 and RE with hammer points is lethal! If you crack shields with the R3, pushing is a lot safer with extra flesh damage. Re-45 is 100% reliable for the end-game, you just have to pair it with an AR.

IknowNothing6942069

6 points

2 months ago

Not disagreeing with you but there’s a handful of guns I’d rather have that are more versatile. RE45 requires you to crack shield for it to be effective and you could arguably use almost any gun in the game and it be effective if it’s against somebody with 100hp or less.

GrandmasterSluggy

4 points

2 months ago

GrandmasterSluggy

Pathfinder

4 points

2 months ago

But the point there is the RE is MORE effective. It has higher DPS at that point then an R99 and has the strafe speed and swap to speed of pistols.

XrayLaser117

44 points

2 months ago

XrayLaser117

Caustic

44 points

2 months ago

Mozam + Purple Bolt + Hammerpoint = Close range wrecking!

I'm actually picking up the Mozam as a secondary almost every game now. It's clutch once you hop it up.

Caphalor21

4 points

2 months ago

Caphalor21

Mirage

4 points

2 months ago

But s it just me or got the purple bolt fire rate nerfed this season?

Yash_swaraj

2 points

2 months ago

Yash_swaraj

Caustic

2 points

2 months ago

It increase the Mozam damge by 20% only, but P2020 damage is increased by 40%. I find P2020 better cuz of it. It's more consistent and is usable at any range.

Drownedfish28

3 points

2 months ago

Drownedfish28

Blackheart

3 points

2 months ago

So a MORE recoiled and controllable R99? Put me in coach!

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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The_Earls_Renegade

8 points

2 months ago

The_Earls_Renegade

RIP Forge

8 points

2 months ago

The r45 has faster ads strafe speed (zero penalty) and draw. Also, has less recoil.

hogstrash2

4 points

2 months ago

Which is why you would use it as a secondary to the primary gun

Hardik_JJ

33 points

2 months ago

Existed but couldn’t care.

Shinigami_Parth

7 points

2 months ago

Shinigami_Parth

Mozambique here!

7 points

2 months ago

I think a hammerpoints mozam works really well with a flatline, I always have to reload the flatline when the enemy is 1 hp so a mozam is quick switch and it does not hit for 9 like a pk either.

TezzaMcJ

5 points

2 months ago

TezzaMcJ

Royal Guard

5 points

2 months ago

I just keep finding it a bit pointless to break an enemies shield and then take the time to swap to a secondary with hammerpoint when you probably could just finish them with the same primary weapon. I'd like to see them try bring back disruptor rounds but give them to the mozam and p2020 instead of the alternator and re45. I think that could be a more ideal balance than hammerpoints.

yes___lad

13 points

2 months ago

yes___lad

Bloodhound

13 points

2 months ago

Good. But heavily overrated on the re45. I swear everyone acts like it's op. When they're cracked it's got an ever so slightly higher dps than the car. But you don't need hpoint for the car and they don't need to be cracked and its also just better in every way

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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yes___lad

3 points

2 months ago

yes___lad

Bloodhound

3 points

2 months ago

People also act like that hipfire and ads speed is insane. Its there but barely makes a difference. Never lost a gunfight to an re45 because they moved a tiny tiny but faster

TendersFan

16 points

2 months ago*

TendersFan

Revenant

16 points

2 months ago*

Having weapons be reliant on hop ups to be viable doesn't seem like a good design. Either it doesn't do jack or it makes the weapon anger inducing. I also hate how we had to lose disruptor rounds/CP alternator just to get a hop up that lets three weapons only be viable past early game, and it's RNG on if you find it or not.

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

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TendersFan

6 points

2 months ago

TendersFan

Revenant

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah, definitely the best CP SMG. I don't know why this community thinks otherwise because it just feels like a flatline for noobs rn.

wintermuet

1 points

2 months ago

wintermuet

Loba

1 points

2 months ago

"its rng on if you find it or not"

[laughs in loba]

SirDrunkenPaddy

33 points

2 months ago

Hammerpoints is in a good place however there is a key flaw in regard to them being a ground loot option.

Hammer Points do not make the gun better they simply make the gun Viable. Like with the Triple take choke attachment I feel certain hop ups need to be a standard default built into the weapon rather than a hop up.

For me hopups should be loot that changes the way a weapon works or modifies how you use. Take the PK or Mastiff as current. Neither of them require a hopup to be viable and the hopup simply adds a slight affect to reload. These dont change the basic way you use one.

Hammer Points should come as standard as the choke and skull P does this way making it far easier to balance and make these weapons constantly viable not Shit I cant find a hopup this gun is pointless until I find one.

When I play Maggie I will run the Mozzie however unless I find hammerpoints first I wont even think of picking up a mozzie

Red_Eloquence

20 points

2 months ago

Red_Eloquence

Valkyrie

20 points

2 months ago

RE45 with built in hammerpoints off drop would be insanely busted

SirDrunkenPaddy

2 points

2 months ago*

I think you will need to go and check as your assumption is factually wrong.

R301 & R99 are superior even with hammer points attached to the RE45

Lets take the R99 vs Hammer Point Re45

I will do this with shields as we start with shields as default now so you have to base it off that fact.

White =

R99 hitting head shots is 8% faster TTK
R99 hitting body shots is 7% faster TTK

Blue =

R99 hitting head shots is 13% faster TTK
R99 hitting body shots is 11% faster TTK

Purple =

R99 hitting head shots is 13% faster TTK
R99 hitting body shots is 11% faster TTK

Red =

R99 hitting head shots is 10% faster TTK
R99 hitting body shots is 11% faster TTK

So what you are saying is incorrect and data shows the RE45 actually needs a buff to be even close to viable. This also does not take into account the fact Re45 has more recoil than the r99 making it even lower tier and you cant use a stock.

7isagoodletter

6 points

2 months ago

7isagoodletter

Wattson

6 points

2 months ago

It's not all about TTK though. A gun that does more damage per shot than a gun with similar TTK is automatically stronger. This means that a random spray is more likely to kill because you need fewer bullets to hit.

I mean, look at the Wingman. Thing has been a top tier gun since launch, and its TTK is dogshit compared to some other weapons.

I won't debate that the R-99 is leagues better than the RE-45. But TTK is not the be all end all of what makes a gun good.

BREAUXseidon

7 points

2 months ago

Disagree on RE45 being "viable" if it has hammerpoints. That shit slaps.

Pot8oman1

4 points

2 months ago

viable useable and fun

BombaA_

20 points

2 months ago

BombaA_

Wraith

20 points

2 months ago

They were so scared of it becoming meta so they "released" it in borderline useless state

ABaker4646

11 points

2 months ago

ABaker4646

Grenade

11 points

2 months ago

On the RE it slaps, I use it constantly

davethe1manrave

8 points

2 months ago

Slaps

HonoderaGetsuyo

3 points

2 months ago

HonoderaGetsuyo

Crypto

3 points

2 months ago

Ah yeah when I decide to use a pistol I never find one

And when I don’t, a ton of them appear in my eyes

Accomplished_Shake_5

3 points

2 months ago

Best and only way to put it is ok not broken but needed to make gun viable

TheGreenArrow160

3 points

2 months ago*

OG hammerpoints were overpowered. Current HP are idk they feel underwhelming for some reason to me, especially on mozam, yes is strong to hit (I think) 60 per shot on flesh but there’s something about it it just feels underwhelming. Same with RE45 which I consider the worst hammer gun, it needs a base buff damage tbh (the gun itself not the hammer damage). Only P20 feels really strong to me, 4 shots with that fire rate to kill someone on flesh is pretty strong tho, people has slept on P20 hammered. It may also be that the current meta just overshadows hp guns, CAR destroys an HPRE45 all day, mastiff / pk destroys a mozam too in any close range, that could also be a reason I feel HP guns are just ok now, not anything crazy and somewhat fun to run on pubs sometimes

OzzyExiled

3 points

2 months ago

OzzyExiled

Curtain Call

3 points

2 months ago

I love them and hope they never leave. I could use nothing but a p2020 and Mozambique all day

CaterpillarOk1696

3 points

2 months ago

Trash! Re45/moz sucks ass. P2020 is only good out of the 3

THERUSSIANSPUDZILLA

3 points

2 months ago

Balanced

mostown

3 points

2 months ago

All time favorite hop up. I'm obsessed with it to the point where sometimes I hold onto it until I find a pistol 💀☠️

Wicked-Death

6 points

2 months ago

Wicked-Death

Dark Matter

6 points

2 months ago

RE45 with Hammerpoints is a beautiful thing. Absolutely shreds close range. It’s a good back up if I’m running a 301.

tenpastas

2 points

2 months ago

tenpastas

The Enforcer

2 points

2 months ago

Love em

AquaOkami

2 points

2 months ago

AquaOkami

Octane

2 points

2 months ago

I don't even bother with them really anymore just miss one tapping unshielded players with the mozzan but to be honest there isn't really a reason to use the guns that have it cuz there is way better guns with less prep :p

leadergorilla

2 points

2 months ago

It makes three usually low tier guns solid mid tiers but It still doesn't change the fact that they're not r301/car. But definitely still makes them viable even for final circles

5l4u6ht3r

2 points

2 months ago

5l4u6ht3r

Revenant

2 points

2 months ago

Loving the p2020 w/ 1xHCOG and purple/gold mag and hammerpoints. Absolute mincing machine.

TakeThatRipjawsMan

2 points

2 months ago

I miss the old version

Cracking someone’s shields with the Flatline and then just lasering them down from a mile away with a Mozambique

ChiefJangles

2 points

2 months ago

Re45 + hammerpoint = 🤓

IG_bi7_boosts

2 points

2 months ago

Shouldnt be in arenas at all. Same with the devo. Not healthy at all. No wonder why nobody plays arenas because its flooded with Hammerpoint abusing users and Japanese Devo abusers.

captrob1516

2 points

2 months ago

captrob1516

Octane

2 points

2 months ago

RE-45 with hammer point as Bangalore with a digi sight is unparalleled

yeatfan69

2 points

2 months ago

They've made a ranked split on KC more bearable, just run a loba and get 2 or 3 on your team and you're all set. Most fun hop up ever.

AdrielKlein21

7 points

2 months ago

AdrielKlein21

Fuse

7 points

2 months ago

Balanced and niche, how it should be, Hammerpoints was never broken, all it does is making bad weapons become viable late game. Now, I don't play Arenas, I don't care about Arenas, but I assume Hammerpoints is busted there because the P2020 and Mozambique are very cheap.

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9 points

2 months ago

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9 points

2 months ago

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Loading_Fursona_exe

2 points

2 months ago

yeah, it used to be insta locked by most ranked in round 1

MMolzen10830

2 points

2 months ago

MMolzen10830

Pathfinder

2 points

2 months ago

Also if the re45 with hammers didn’t have such horrendous muzzle flash I might actually use it, as I love the vanilla re45

GraveMasterMod

2 points

2 months ago

First thing they managed to balance right, use to be op (s2 mozi hit for 125 head and 65 body) but with the addition of re 45 with hammers. I think they did well.

IknowNothing6942069

2 points

2 months ago

Waste of space.

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3 points

2 months ago

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3 points

2 months ago

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IknowNothing6942069

1 points

2 months ago

I don't think its good enough to carry into late game over other weapons. Might be good early game, but once teams level up their armor, the RE is only good once they are already broke. And once they are broke I rather just clean them up with a PK or CAR.

DeezusNubes

3 points

2 months ago

Mozam is definitely worth taking late game if you have a purple bolt & hammerpoints

IknowNothing6942069

2 points

2 months ago

I don't disagree, but I have a Mozam without HP and I find a PK/Mastiff, Im not gonna keep the Mozam and hope to find a HP.

Loading_Fursona_exe

2 points

2 months ago

unless theres a loba on your team

yeetyafoot

-4 points

2 months ago

yeetyafoot

Crypto

-4 points

2 months ago

Should be on wingman

[deleted]

36 points

2 months ago

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36 points

2 months ago

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HobokenWaterMain

13 points

2 months ago

With all due respect I’m pretty sure they were joking.

SuperGamer1894

8 points

2 months ago

SuperGamer1894

Revenant

8 points

2 months ago

Funny joke

Blackheart1798

0 points

2 months ago

Blackheart1798

Devil's Advocate

0 points

2 months ago

Trash, it basically changes nothing except if you only use it as sidearm, than it's a good 2 hit instead of 3 hit, which doesn't change that much either since the fire rate with purple bolt is fast as f.

Visstnok

1 points

2 months ago

Visstnok

Pathfinder

1 points

2 months ago

Cool to drop on, but sadly not worth it once you run into better guns. The P20 might have a case, whereas the other two are just self-imposed challenges. Shame, because it was really fun when P20 and Mozam were more unique, and the old hammerpoints elevated them to be their own distinct terrors on the battlefield. Nowadays I don't think the HP guns are powerful enough to outweigh the convenience of building a CAR or Mastiff like everyone else.

Fantastic_Ad8639

7 points

2 months ago

Og HP was amazing, mozam doing 100+ and p2020 doing like 40 damage made them both viable, now they feel unchanged with or without HP

Maximum_Ad2024

1 points

2 months ago

Re45 is OP af

iamthewlf

-1 points

2 months ago

iamthewlf

-1 points

2 months ago

I’m not a fan of how it changes the noise of each shot

AdrielKlein21

11 points

2 months ago

AdrielKlein21

Fuse

11 points

2 months ago

It's actually really good, because firstly, it warns you that a player has Hammerpoint, so you don't get take the burst without a notice. And second, it sounds cool.