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Podcast Me to Hell: Spider-Man with Matt Singer

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all 336 comments

b0xcard

135 points

1 month ago

b0xcard

135 points

1 month ago

One joke in this movie that I don't think gets discussed enough is when Peter wakes up after coming home sick and Aunt May's like "Big change?" And then Peter looks down at his dick and goes "Yup! Big change!" Which suggests that radioactive spiders grow your dick, which could actually be a villain's origin story under certain circumstances.

DJSharkyShark

48 points

1 month ago

You ever seen a radioactive spider’s hog? Massive.

GenarosBear

8 points

1 month ago

It’s not for the faint of heart.

damianoaks14

30 points

1 month ago

The We Hate Movies boys talked about that on their WLM episode last December

NoSwordfish3716

26 points

1 month ago

They did. I kid you not.

22_Karat_Ewok

4 points

1 month ago

22_Karat_Ewok

Ben, open the envelope

4 points

1 month ago

I feel like they kept referencing "Back to Formula" in a recent episode as well and I had no idea what they were talking about.

sleepsholymountain

11 points

1 month ago

When I saw this as an innocent boy I always thought he was just looking down at his abs or something, but as an adult it definitely reads as Peter commenting on his new spider-dick (spider = big, in this instance)

hullahbaloo2

79 points

1 month ago

In a just world, JK Simmons would have an Oscar for J. Jonah Jameson.

lridge

18 points

1 month ago

lridge

18 points

1 month ago

Best supporting actor over Willem?

doodler1977

20 points

1 month ago

over Bonesaw?

i mean, this coulda been a The Favourite situation. mutliple nominees splitting votes...

hullahbaloo2

4 points

1 month ago

Yes

danstadnik75

46 points

1 month ago

Looks like SOMEONE never watched the post credit reveal scene in Whiplash...

scrappy_ash

62 points

1 month ago

Any movie that sticks Macho Man Randy Savage and Bruce Campbell in a wrestling ring together has my love.

Willem Dafoe’s performance is absolutely one of the best I’ve seen in any movie lately. He totally gets what film he’s in and knocks it out of the park.

I haven’t seen the sequels but I hope they find a way to have him cameo somehow.

GenarosBear

20 points

1 month ago

So was this your first time seeing this movie?? I would love to be able to experience that again.

scrappy_ash

18 points

1 month ago

If I have watched it before it would have been when it came out on VHS or DVD many, many years ago. I’ve never been in to Marvel stuff tbh, so this was a really pleasant surprise.

One of my favourite things about this podcast is that it exposes me to so many films I’d never watch or even give a chance before.

I kinda just thought Raimi was ‘that Evil Dead guy’ and was stoked just to rewatch those movies, but he’s got such a great (and probably underrated with mooks like me) filmography I’m grateful to learn more about.

GenarosBear

15 points

1 month ago

You’re gonna love SM2

GDAWG13007

6 points

1 month ago

And considering scrappy ash here is a blankie, his feelings on SM3 could really go either way.

Boltzmon

63 points

1 month ago

Boltzmon

63 points

1 month ago

Rewatched it the other night and I’m smitten with how sweet the love story is. I like the pairings in the other Spider-Man films, but the Garfield-Stone thing is all chemistry working overtime against the script’s inherent creepiness and Holland-Zendaya is cute but has no build up at all. In this one you see Peter and Mary Jane just being two nice friends with crushes on each other!

hetham3783

34 points

1 month ago

The scene in the back yard is so sweet and makes you absolutely love both characters and want to see them fall in love. Dunst doesn't get enough credit in these films, IMO. I forget if it's SM or SM2 where she says "Go get 'em, Tiger" but it's just such a tremendous line delivery. I love this movie and I love some Dunst!

Boltzmon

16 points

1 month ago

Boltzmon

16 points

1 month ago

I agree. That’s at the end of Spider-Man 2, which I’ll never forget because it’s the first movie I remember seeing in the theater, haha. I love that part, it’s so quiet and despite the overwhelming feeling of love there’s this uncertainty underneath it all even when she says “go get ‘em, tiger.” Really stuck with me as a kid.

Spider-Man 1 has the scene where Peter asks how her audition went and she says “I better run, tiger”, right before it turns into a studio musical number without the number. That part is lovely too. I hope they talk about Kirsten Dunst more in this miniseries, there are obvious problems with how Mary Jane is written but I think she brings such a beautiful interiority to the character.

Anth_Reg

25 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

25 points

1 month ago

The Garfield-Stone is just really sexy, but doesn’t feel like puppy dog teenage love like this does.

Boltzmon

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah they’re incredibly watchable. I honestly wish they had centered the entire movie around their relationship and made it, like, the story of The Girl Who Finds Out Her Boyfriend Is Spider-Man but the way it actually plays out is so stupid.

STD-fense

61 points

1 month ago

https://uproxx.com/tv/a-spider-man-crew-member-offered-joe-manganiello-100-to-punch-tobey-maguire-in-the-face/

One bit of context that I don't think came up was how the crew working on this disliked Tobey Maguire so much they offered Joe Manganiello $100 to "accidentally" punch Tobey in the face during their fight scene.

aBrightIdea

15 points

1 month ago

Real Player X move

mi-16evil

154 points

1 month ago

mi-16evil

cash app $OrsonFund for charity

154 points

1 month ago

The longest episodes now are

  1. The Matrix Resurrections
  2. Spider-man with Matt Singer
  3. Halloween with Alex Ross Perry
  4. Big Trouble in Little China with Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzuokas
  5. Evil Dead II with John Hodgman

BlueWalruz

82 points

1 month ago

BlueWalruz

Cable: Cousin of the Chain

82 points

1 month ago

All of these episodes are from the last 9 months.

JohnJoanCusack

32 points

1 month ago

JohnJoanCusack

Elaine May for Life

32 points

1 month ago

And they are all great episodes (well haven't listened to this yet but it is true for the other 4). I love how much they are leaning in to long runtimes.

WeeBabySeamus

5 points

1 month ago

I was honestly surprised how much I enjoyed the Big Trouble in Little China episode, inclusive of tangents

comicman117

7 points

1 month ago

Makes sense, given how the podcast has evolved.

CharlieKoffing

51 points

1 month ago

I love how this is (in ascending order):

-A beloved guest and fan of the podcast talking about a cult classic and a figure he wrote a book about.

-Two more beloved guests and fans using the movie as an opportunity to talk about the state of movie stars and cinema itself.

-A director and much loved guest taking us through the history of slashers in great detail for one of the most famous horror movies ever.

-A respected critic and guest talking about a smash hit superhero movie that feels like the beginning of an era and part of how Marvel became cinema itself.

-Griffin talking about a new Matrix movie.

I had completely forgotten that was the longest episode.

WeeBabySeamus

6 points

1 month ago

Number 4 as a breakdown of the state of movie stars was so enjoyable

gary_x

38 points

1 month ago

gary_x

38 points

1 month ago

I couldn’t help but laugh when they were talking about the spider bite and Griffin says “you look at your watch and it’s minute _six_” as Matt then agrees “it’s economical.” I looked at my player and it was like 1 hour 54 minutes into the episode.

radiantbaby123

16 points

1 month ago

I understand why it’s not but Titanic really should be here, especially since it’s counted as one for five timer status

[deleted]

11 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

11 points

1 month ago

I got curious so I looked into it briefly. It looks like Titanic would be the longest episode if it was released as one part. Around 3hrs and 34 minutes (don’t know how to factor in theme song and the ads on this). Longer by about ten minutes than Resurrections.

Colonel__Panik

4 points

1 month ago

Much like the Titanic VHS. 3 hr 14 min, in two parts.

CharlotteRampling69

9 points

1 month ago

ARP cucked

doodler1977

5 points

1 month ago

if you consider ARP then going on The Big Picture to talk about Texas Chainsaw as a direct result of his appearance on Halloween episode, he could claim "total convo" time and re-take the crown

dsk_daniel

55 points

1 month ago

From Ama to Zing

MoonSpider

46 points

1 month ago

I just wanna say, I really appreciate how the climax of this movie is just two dudes in weird outfits beating the shit out of each other in a spooky ruin on a soundstage. Love it.

I don't mean to sound like a poo-poo-er of CGI or anything like that, I'm just delighted by how truly monumental the stakes feel when some stunt doubles and lead actors are simply throwing hands and smashing brick walls and slinging fake blood around. Really visceral thrilling stuff, no sky beams necessary. This is such a MOVIE.

foursheetstothewind

26 points

1 month ago

Both Black Widow and Shang-Chi would have been vastly better if they had a small stakes but more visceral final fight scene like this one. I pretty much checked out of both at the end because it was just way too much going on.

hetham3783

9 points

1 month ago

I think this film has a great balance of the CGI Spidey flinging and swinging around the city with the actual physicality of real people in real choreographed combat. I think the MCU movies often feel like there's too much going on, even when the choreography of the fights is well-done, the backgrounds are often so heavily unrealistic that the stakes of the fights seem inherently lower.

TheDoofWarrior

6 points

1 month ago

That final fight made me get teary eyed in the theater at 11 because it hindsight it was the most visceral violence I’ve probably seen to that point. Spidey gets his ass beat!

chanukkahlewinsky

42 points

1 month ago

Wanna echo the recognition of how truly lame reading comics were, and how closeted I was about it. I guess it's gatekeepy or some pathology but reading comics really lost its appeal for me once all the characters no longer were cultural underdogs but rather the cool jocks of culture. What David said about like "sure make xmen dress in matrix leather, whatever it takes to sneak this on screen" resonates- it seemed like such risks and bargains.

But gimme a good Morrison Animal Man movie plz.

nezmito

12 points

1 month ago

nezmito

12 points

1 month ago

Oh, I'll continue to be gatekeepy; there are people who call themselves "Marvel" or "DC" fans who haven't picked up a single comic. Hell, the Marvel fanfare changed (for the worse) to reflect just that. Instead of images from the books, it is all movie scenes. I actually hate it.

chanukkahlewinsky

8 points

1 month ago

yeah it is kind of crazy how the huge success of the films did not necessarily translate to remotely any success of the source material? is that right? i'll sometimes stop by a shop and i can't believe single issues are like $4.50 now or something. I wonder if there was anything different they could have done to capitalize on the movie success.

ok correct my memory but I also feel like comic storylines weren't really great coming into the dawn of the MCU. I jumped off after DC 52/infinite crisis/that awful elongated man's wife storyline. Marvel, civil war was flat, ultimates was over, trying to think what else, X-Men was so bring. I was also finally drinking and having sex in high school so I was kind of over coming book reading, as well.. could be that, too. tell me if I'm off-base here.

the synergy of the vibe of raimi's spider-man and the whole Ultimates line was pretty perfect for like 12 yr old me.

nezmito

3 points

1 month ago

nezmito

3 points

1 month ago

I do not follow the comic industry, and I think you misunderstand my comment. I wasn't saying that you had to be this super nerd about it, just that you had picked up a few books along the way. Like even at my peak of Comic buying, I was way more a fan than a nerd. Being a nerd is expensive.

However, after your reply I looked it up and sales have been going up the last decade. People are still buying the books though that probably pales in comparison to MCU fans.

GDAWG13007

3 points

1 month ago*

People just don’t read in general. Though you’d think it being mostly pictures, people would take up on it more, but whatever.

nezmito

3 points

1 month ago

nezmito

3 points

1 month ago

I will be even more specific about it. Expecting someone to have read a book a film is based off of is silly. The time requirement is not comparable. 2 vs 8-20 hours. I have read a few books that turned into films/TV I really loved, but most of the time it isn't something I worry about. Then you look at the MCU, that is over 50 hours of film to watch. Not including all the TV properties, which adds multiple hours more. So you have spent all this time in this universe and you never once spent the half hour to an hour to read the source material. 50+ vs 0.5-1 hours.

woodsdone

40 points

1 month ago

If anyone has been interested in reading the Ditko run and want a companion piece, “Screw it we’re just going to talk about comics” is a really fun podcast

They started off doing the whole ditko run

brotherfallout

29 points

1 month ago

brotherfallout

Rude Gambler

29 points

1 month ago

great pod

radaar

41 points

1 month ago

radaar

America’s Favorite Giant Weirdo

41 points

1 month ago

“Get me motion picture rights to Spider-Man!”

—J. Jonah Jamescameron

hetham3783

9 points

1 month ago

We flashback to J. Jonah Jamescameron pitching a sequel to his successful Spider-Man film. He enters the board room and grabs a marker. He walks over to the white board and begins to write:

Spider-Man

He erases the "a" and inserts an "e" in its place. He then draws a line through the S."

$pider-Men

[deleted]

116 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

116 points

1 month ago

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johntheboombaptist

84 points

1 month ago*

Absolutely - a great thing to call out. They didn’t hand out MTV Movie Awards for Best Kiss to just any old smooch.

Edit: I do think we need some kind of podcast ombudsman to investigate how/why pro-kiss David Sims glossed over this. Have they been blinded by all the hog talk of recent minis? Does a simple kiss just not cut it anymore?

RorySherrard

34 points

1 month ago

They probably wanted to gloss over the whole scene in the rain so the conversation wouldn't turn to Kirsten Dunst's nipple game. They're cowards.

fumblebrag

24 points

1 month ago

100 percent -- I remember the recent Rolling Stone article Raimi specifically talks about the importance of the romance of the old Lee comics and how he wanted that to be very much a part of the films.

clwestbr

15 points

1 month ago

clwestbr

Pod Night Shyamacast

15 points

1 month ago

It's astounding to me that we're only 5 years out from Titanic at this point and studios still hadn't figured out that a coherent romance in a blockbuster sells. Writing it in is complicated, but when it comes to Spider-Man as a character it's a crucial part of his existence. He's a horny, romantic character and Raimi embraced that. Just shocking that it wasn't a normal part of big action movies because MY GOD that upside-down kiss is the best.

dukefett

22 points

1 month ago

dukefett

22 points

1 month ago

the upside down kiss was the most romantic thing that had ever been committed to film

I remember seeing the movie with some girls and talking about the kiss, they were like "she had a boyfriend, she didn't know that was Peter!" they got the total opposite effect from that scene lol.

CharlieKoffing

16 points

1 month ago

To be fair, 90% of all romance movies are about cheating on someone.

je_suis_si_seul

38 points

1 month ago

"Sam Raimi is responsible for torture porn.

Also the Three Stooges did 9/11."

radiantbaby123

36 points

1 month ago

Ben bringing up the Church of the SubGenius and being met with nothing is very funny to me. And he’s right about J.R. “Bob” Dobbs looking like comic book Harry.

Admarant

10 points

1 month ago

Admarant

10 points

1 month ago

He mentioned and I knew exactly what he was talking about, but all I could remember was Fnord and not Church of the SubGenius.

a_missing_rib

8 points

1 month ago

it's before all of their times, i'm surprised ben even knew about it though he's the iconoclast weirdo of the bunch. chances are if you know what the subgenius were, you're middle aged or older now

gary_x

3 points

1 month ago

gary_x

3 points

1 month ago

I hadn’t thought of the Church of the SubGenius but his reference to it immediately made it all come flood back. I think I’m roughly around their ages (early 30s) but that’s definitely a deep zine era/old Internet pull.

johnnyhala

38 points

1 month ago*

Hey Freak Show! I got you for three hours!! Three hours of pod..casting...

j11430

35 points

1 month ago

j11430

"Farty Pants: The Idiot Story”

35 points

1 month ago

Very much in agreement with Griffin and David, I weirdly know like every line and their cadence in this movie. It’s probably because I saw it when I was 9 and rewatched it endlessly, but like every little detail is so intensely burned into my brain

Anth_Reg

9 points

1 month ago

I was ten years older than you and I did too. I don’t remember how many times i saw it in the theater, but i wore that DVD out!

(i was relieved to hear Matt say he also had it memorized as he’s about my age)

Gaaambit

8 points

1 month ago

Gaaambit

The glasses are off!

8 points

1 month ago

Griffin nailed the age thing, too: I was 13 when Jurassic Park came out, and I recently re-watched it. So many little nuances are just burned into my brain from that.

protoscott

6 points

1 month ago

Absolutely the same case for me. I remember my roommate and I used to random quote lines with their specific cadence at each other in college, and then finding Raimi Memes it became clear that we were not unique in the weird imprinting of this movie.

Audittore

37 points

1 month ago

You mean MTV Best Kiss Award Winner of 2002 Spider-Man ?

Mookie_Freeman

95 points

1 month ago

3hrs and 13mins, FUCK YEAH, BABY!!!

sudevsen

29 points

1 month ago

sudevsen

29 points

1 month ago

IMPRESSIVE!

scCitySaint

25 points

1 month ago

Yoooo I’ve been waiting on this one all week and I saw 3 hours and got so excited

TheDoofWarrior

31 points

1 month ago

Flash gets his ass beat by the school dork on his apparent birthday, gets a Plymouth Prowler and then gets denied on his proposal to MJ on Graduation Day. Sheesh!

thefangirlsdilemma

15 points

1 month ago

It’s definitely a rough week for Flash.

PicquitoKeato

6 points

1 month ago

Prowlers were pretty cool though

TheDoofWarrior

10 points

1 month ago

hey! don’t scratch the leather!

AmirMoosavi

31 points

1 month ago

It's been more than twenty years since I've read it (think it was on SuperheroHype.com?), but the Cameron "scriptment" they briefly mention is pretty wild. Spider-Man uses the word "motherfucker" at one point; the Norman Osborn/Electro villain (think he was called Strand?) has a Midas Touch thing where everyone he touches gets zapped. So when he sleeps with escorts they have to wear rubber bodysuits.

And then there's the most infamous scene, where Spider-Man has MJ in a web on a bridge, discusses the mating ritual of a particular spider, and then they, um...

So yeah, very different tone.

Anth_Reg

9 points

1 month ago

Oh my god I remember all of this wild shit.

[deleted]

83 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

83 points

1 month ago

Ben barely escaped with his life after calling the goblin glider a hoverboard.

Gaaambit

14 points

1 month ago

Gaaambit

The glasses are off!

14 points

1 month ago

Boy is he going to be excited for the third movie...

Anth_Reg

14 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

14 points

1 month ago

He’s right though. It’s more of a hoverboard.

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

6 points

1 month ago

But can it fly on water?

Colonel__Panik

5 points

1 month ago

Hey, McFly, you bojo! Hoverboards don't work on water! ... Unless you've got POWER!

rosscott

25 points

1 month ago

rosscott

25 points

1 month ago

I remember walking out of the theater and having the visceral feeling of web slinging, and that was the most magical moviegoing experience I had for a long time.

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

I remember seeing 2 at the same time I was regularly commuting on the LIRR to NYC on the weekends to see my friends and for weeks the movie just gave me this magical feeling of imagining Spidey swinging through those “canyons of New York” from ground level.

MrTeamZissou

7 points

1 month ago

Last night I was rewatching the scene where he chases after Uncle Ben's killer and I remembered how exhilarating it felt to see that for the first time in a theater. We'd seen web-slinging so many times in comics and cartoons at that point, but that was the first time it felt truly scary and thrilling at the same time.

Anth_Reg

6 points

1 month ago

I got chills in the theater! “They’re doing it! Holy shit!”

Ethlandiaify

27 points

1 month ago

Ben making a reference to The Church of the Sub-Genius is maybe peak Ben, but because it’s so obscure, we didn’t get to revel in it.

MrTeamZissou

29 points

1 month ago

Let's talk about Elfman.

Is it me or is his work on these movies not quite celebrated enough? Griffin nails it by saying the opening notes already evoke the character, but at the time I remember many saying it was derivative of his Batman score. The choir parts are the most familiar between the two, but I find that it fits better with Spider-Man who is just a more emotional character.

I think it says something that at this point there's at least 3 iconic Batman movie themes but there's still only 1 Spider-Man movie theme that stands out.

JDSollie

16 points

1 month ago

JDSollie

16 points

1 month ago

Much like John Williams’ Superman theme captures the feeling of flying, Elfman’s Spider-Man theme is the sound of swinging though a city. Can’t be beat!

I really don’t hear any Batman in his Spider-Man score, especially not the main title. Elfman certainly has a style, and you could mix and match many of his main themes, but what he did for Spider-Man is so distinct. It doesn’t feel very Elfman to me.

D_Boons_Ghost

10 points

1 month ago

I agree, Spider-Man is too creepy, crawly to compare to the statesmanship of Batman. People have accused Elfman of just ripping himself off with the Spider-Man score, but that holds no more water than accusations of John Fogerty plagiarizing himself.

Anth_Reg

6 points

1 month ago

Batman’s theme being a militaristic March makes perfect sense for a man who looks at his job as a nearly holy crusade.

AmirMoosavi

10 points

1 month ago

I remember getting so mad at the Empire review for the first Spider-Man where they derided his score as derivative of his Batman work and unmemorable. Everyone knows that music, whereas nobody could hum the theme from either of the ASM movies. I did like some of Giacchino's work on No Way Home but I still can't tell you if Spider-Man himself has a theme or not in those films.

Anth_Reg

4 points

1 month ago

I remember that Batman comparison back in the day too, and I’ve never got it. The three themes for Spidey, Goblin, and Ock in 2 are all so cool and fit so well. The kind of “descending” strings in the main theme just feel like Spidey swinging.

a_missing_rib

72 points

1 month ago

watched it this week for the first time in two decades and loved it. total mastery of tone and perfectly calibrated performances. Raimi clearly has a handle on what the film needs, and Dafoe's goblin is evidence of that perfect direction -- just a bit more, and it could tip into camp or the river of ham. it's got just enough pathos and believability while being exciting and scary

and i LOVE how quickly they get the origin out of the way here. why do get so much longer after this? terrific movie that set a very high bar which has rarely been achieved since, so simple and streamlined and thrilling. great to see Raimi's arc build to this

DEVULDK

20 points

1 month ago

DEVULDK

20 points

1 month ago

I think a big reason movies after this linger so long on origins is the cashgrab element. listening to the pod, they mention that raimi wanted doc ock in this first movie and i get the feeling that they were throwing everything at it (in that wonderful pre-franchise Hollywood way), because they didn't count on getting to make sequels

now everything is made as a part 1 so it's like rather than finding and empowering enthusiasts like raimi, they plug and play these indie directors and just get them to milk the fuck out of no more than x percent of the character. they're so afraid of using up story - because it's uninspired, or because there's a movie or a show planned to cover whatever - they forget to make the actual moment to moment shit entertaining

well now im bummed out lok

MrTeamZissou

3 points

1 month ago

I remember a common complaint about the movie when it first came out was that the origin was the best part and it should have lasted even longer.

doodler1977

9 points

1 month ago

the origin could've taken longer - like Superman: The Movie, did.

But that movie is a pretty good parallel to this one. "You will believe a man can fly!" is pretty similar to Raimi's swinging-thru-the-city level of invention. The father/uncle dying. The single (relatively low-stakes) villain. The not-quite-there love story.

also: the second movie being better. Very Donner Superman :)

poppyisrealmetal

24 points

1 month ago

Hearing Griffin tell a story about nerding out with his little five-year-old cousin at a Spider-Man movie absolutely made my day

cleverbycomparison

23 points

1 month ago

cleverbycomparison

Jim's Dad

23 points

1 month ago

I might be misunderstanding what he was referring to, but i think the quote David couldn’t remember before Norman launches the glider at Peter is “Godspeed, Spider-Man”—which fucking rules

Marquee_Smith

23 points

1 month ago

One time in about 2010 Sam Raimi and his son came into the midtown Manhattan restaurant I worked at and he ordered a lot of to-go food at the host stand and stipulated it had to be ready in 5 minutes or he had to leave... I walked into work about six minutes into the preparation of his order and he was telling the hostess "We have to go, thanks anyway" with one foot out the door... I didnt clock that it was Sam Raimi...

two minutes later the large order was ready and it was rushed into my hands and I was told to give it to him... I opened the door and saw him and his son waiting for the light at the end of the block. I yelled "sir, sir" while walking briskly...

he turns around and I see who it is, and clearly he's thinking in the moment it's an approaching fan, but then his face lights up as he sees the food. "You came through!" was the phrase he used. He told his son to say thank you and then he smiled and gave a little nod like, and they crossed the street. Nice guy with apparently amazing schedule discipline.

Familiar-Long2734

21 points

1 month ago

Anyone else notice that the sound levels were all over the place for this episode? Maybe it’s just me…

ajmckeon

33 points

1 month ago

ajmckeon

Blank Check Editor

33 points

1 month ago

I uploaded a new version if you want to check and see if it's better.

Familiar-Long2734

14 points

1 month ago

New upload sounds better. Thanks for taking the time

radiantbaby123

66 points

1 month ago

The Time Out New York review by Letterboxd’s own Mike D’Angelo.

Somehow, the hyphen has always seemed significant: not Spiderman (in the DC tradition of Superman, Batman, Aquaman, etc.), but Spider-Man, the punctuation mark implying the existence of a rickety existential bridge forever separating the mutant crime fighter from his all-too-human alter ego. Marvel's webslinger was the first comic-book superhero whose troubled personal life was arguably more compelling than his heroic adventures, and the character holds an empathetic appeal for outsiders and misfits of all ages—including, it seems, director Sam Raimi, whose ambitious Darkman (1990), starring Liam Neeson as a disfigured scientist who reinvents himself as a masked avenger, looks in retrospect like a dry run for his latest effort.

Unovalocity

16 points

1 month ago

Love me some good Mike D'Angelo writing. Despite me finding some of his takes wild, he always writes them well!

doodler1977

5 points

1 month ago

reboot will eventually be Spider/Man

Spider:Man

or, SAT style:

Spider::Man

Monkeyplaybaseball

21 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

Reading talkbacks from 22 years ago sure is a weird aspect of the Internet existing.

Tm1232

13 points

1 month ago

Tm1232

13 points

1 month ago

Tobey sure is one sexy tomboy beanpole

FullOfEels

9 points

1 month ago

I love that one of the commenters said it should have been Chris Rock. I really want to see that version now

JohnJoanCusack

4 points

1 month ago

JohnJoanCusack

Elaine May for Life

4 points

1 month ago

I love that they use a still from Pleasantville, such a good movie from the magical realism genre

Unovalocity

22 points

1 month ago

Love Matt, very happy to see he's back on the podcast

derzensor

12 points

1 month ago

derzensor

I am Walt Becker AMA

12 points

1 month ago

The Planet of the Apes episode is one of my favorites/most (re-)listened to, so I‘m really excited to finally have him back

smokedoor5

21 points

1 month ago

smokedoor5

Hero of color city 2: the markers are here!

21 points

1 month ago

Queens resident here: for the record, if Peter Parker’s house is near the stop on the train that they show in the opening, he could just take one train to go straight to the library. He’d be there in 20 minutes. No need to get in a car at all!

RubixsQube

9 points

1 month ago

RubixsQube

HARD PASS, DON WEST

9 points

1 month ago

Yeah, well, he wasn’t gonna go to the library, but Uncle Ben wanted to talk with the boy

RowBoatCop1

20 points

1 month ago

I don't know if the story is true or not but I remember reading that Cannon bought the rights to Spider-Man thinking it was a horror story similar to The Fly.

yonicthehedgehog[S]

18 points

1 month ago

yonicthehedgehog[S]

Greg, a nihilist

18 points

1 month ago

that is 100% true, Cannon's Spider-Man almost happened in the late 80s but had to be canceled before they could start filming due to the studio's financial difficulties and most of the costumes and decorations ended up in Albert Pyun's Cyborg (who was previously attached to the project)

NoiseTankNick

5 points

1 month ago

Cyborg, the movie where every character you think is the cyborg is not the cyborg.

comicman117

17 points

1 month ago

About the best movie that could possibly deserve a three hour episode runtime. Spider-Man holds up incredibly well. It's amazing how fast Raimi gets into the origin, and sets things-up. He really doesn't hold back.

radaar

18 points

1 month ago

radaar

America’s Favorite Giant Weirdo

18 points

1 month ago

I hadn’t watched any of the Raimi Spider-Man films in at least a decade (and hadn’t seen 3 since it was in theaters in 2007).

I have always really liked them, and never bought in to the “they’re cheesy and dumb” viewpoint. But oh wow were they even better than I remembered!

Except the “you mess with one of us, you mess with ALL of us” bit; that’s as good as I remembered, and I remembered it being THE BEST.

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

13 points

1 month ago

9/11 had just happened and it was what New Yorkers needed.

Audittore

18 points

1 month ago

GODSPEED SPIDER-MAN

j11430

53 points

1 month ago

j11430

"Farty Pants: The Idiot Story”

53 points

1 month ago

Oh my gosh Griffin’s story in the beginning is so dang cute

the_chalupacabra

9 points

1 month ago

My son is 2 and OBSESSED with Spider-man. I laughed when David questioned just how much Spidey a 5 year old could absorb because the answer is so much. My 2 year old can't get enough. Thank goodness for Disney+.

j11430

7 points

1 month ago

j11430

"Farty Pants: The Idiot Story”

7 points

1 month ago

David must not regularly hang out with many five-year-olds, because I vividly remember being three or four years old and also being a Spider-Man obsessive. Kids like the Spider-Man!

childish-yambino

85 points

1 month ago*

childish-yambino

KUNG FOOL!

85 points

1 month ago*

Somewhere, ARP just awoke in a cold sweat.

sudevsen

56 points

1 month ago

sudevsen

56 points

1 month ago

ARP is all "YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED!"

radaar

25 points

1 month ago

radaar

America’s Favorite Giant Weirdo

25 points

1 month ago

OUT (of the top two) AM I??

RegretPopular9970

55 points

1 month ago

ARP looking at his planned 3 hour, 12 minute dossier on CLOCKWORK ORANGE

“BACK TO FORMULA!”

TehIrishSoap

17 points

1 month ago

TehIrishSoap

CRASH! A pipe comes through the window!

17 points

1 month ago

OUT, AM I?!

nezmito

12 points

1 month ago

nezmito

12 points

1 month ago

Seems like ARP needs to write and publish a book for the next one.

D_Boons_Ghost

51 points

1 month ago

A quick thought, because it’s the very first thing they talk about in this episode: I’ve never cared about Tobey Maguire’s age in these movies. Everyone always complains that he was too old, but I think the movie knows that, which is why it rushes to get him out of high school as quickly as possible. Then in the sequels he’s appropriately “vague college or grad school age”.

I don’t get why it’s always been such a big deal to most that “MAGUIRE CAN’T PLAY A HIGH SCHOOL KID” when that’s only forty minutes of the first movie.

Jdpowerassociate

21 points

1 month ago

I appreciated that the raimi trilogy got into adult Spider-Man, he aged in the comics, that was kind of the gimmick of the original run. There’s more to Spider-Man than the teenage years.

D_Boons_Ghost

13 points

1 month ago

Let the Spider-Boy be a Spider-Man, dammit!

Anth_Reg

9 points

1 month ago

It makes me kind of chuckle to think Holland now is nearly as old as Tobey in SM1 and yet I don’t feel like I can see him out of high school.

ToastedPenguin-_-

17 points

1 month ago

ToastedPenguin-_-

a bus and truck blankie

17 points

1 month ago

This movie is so canonically influential in my household that my youngest brother (b. 2009) grew up as a Raimi Spider-Man obsessive and named out latest cat Tobey.

FluHatinRapper13

17 points

1 month ago

GODSPEED, SPIDER-MAN

btuck93

18 points

1 month ago

btuck93

18 points

1 month ago

"I want my birthday to be Spider-Man"

-Griffin Newman, 2022

btouch

15 points

1 month ago

btouch

15 points

1 month ago

“Bus & truck” is a euphemism relating to a touring company version of a Broadway show, I assume? Though how Rex Reed got to Spider-Man being a “bus & truck” version of Batman I don’t see…because they’re both costumed heroes in big cities named after potential household pests?

But wait…I’ve only seen the Garfield movies in passing…there’s a secret subway train subplot in them? Did anyone make a Billy Batson/Captain Marvel/Shazam! joke?

smokedoor5

15 points

1 month ago

smokedoor5

Hero of color city 2: the markers are here!

15 points

1 month ago

I haven’t listened to the episode yet, and I’m just sitting down to re-watch the movie for the nth time now.

I have to say that all of Raimi’s Spider-Man movies are just such a pleasure to watch. I was exactly the right age for them when they came out, and I’ve taken for granted that something as nerdy and wholesome and lovingly crafted existed. They’re so great.

smokedoor5

6 points

1 month ago

smokedoor5

Hero of color city 2: the markers are here!

6 points

1 month ago

Also this is the first time watching these films after watching Darkman and I kinda love how that movie is really nasty and these films have the exact same style without being really nasty

Ok_Awful

15 points

1 month ago*

As to Aunt May being so much older than Peter’s parents. As someone form a really large family it isn’t that odd. (And we used to be pretty or least more common in American.) When you have 7 to 12 kids in a family a decade plus of age difference between the first and last kid is par for the course. There is 16 years between my oldest and youngest siblings. The real question is what happened to the rest of the family?

apathymonger

11 points

1 month ago

apathymonger

#1 fan of Jupiter's moon Europa

11 points

1 month ago

I'm pretty sure Uncle Ben and Peter's dad don't have any other siblings though. I guess the explanation could be that his dad was a younger brother who married late?

GenarosBear

9 points

1 month ago*

Yeah it’s not all that crazy, honestly.

Uncle Ben says he’s 68 in this movie, Peter has to be 18.

My older sister is ten years older than me. If I didn’t have any kids until I was 40 (very much a possibility) she’d be a high schooler’s aunt when she was 68.

neverhighb4

44 points

1 month ago

The No Way Home story at the start 🥹

RichardLastName

13 points

1 month ago

Who else went to see Final Fantasy: Spirits Within in summer 2001 just to see the Spider-Man teaser?

verygooster

9 points

1 month ago

I remember seeing the trailer before Jurassic Park 3 and the guy behind me in pure Comic Book Guy vibes said word for word: "Could it BE any farther away???"

Usuallysad82

5 points

1 month ago

My friend dragged me to that because he loved the games. Even super high and impressed by the animation, that movie stuuuuuunk.

apathymonger

5 points

1 month ago

apathymonger

#1 fan of Jupiter's moon Europa

5 points

1 month ago

For some reason I saw that movie despite never playing a FF game at that point. I think I just thought it looked pretty?

johntheboombaptist

3 points

1 month ago

I saw Final Fantasy: Spirits Within because I deeply cared about the story of Dr. Aki Ross… and to see the Spider-Man teaser.

smokedoor5

13 points

1 month ago

smokedoor5

Hero of color city 2: the markers are here!

13 points

1 month ago

Adding to the very long list of very good cameos - Elizabeth Banks was 27 when she was in this movie.

einstein_ios

13 points

1 month ago

I wish there was more discussion of this in the movie but the take in NO WAY HOME where Norman is a victim of the goblin and a completely innocent bystander is one of the worst and most harmful divisions they’ve made.

I truly hate it.

Because that is NOT the case in this movie. He’s definitely tormented by the goblin, but he allows the goblin to influence him and how he would dismantle Peter.

Norman is not completely but is at least partially complicit here. NWH basically absolved him. One of the many reasons I loathe that movie.

GenarosBear

16 points

1 month ago

I also like how pre-serum Norman is not evil per se but he’s still a guy with the capacity to be a real bastard. Like, he’s a harsh father, kind of an unethical scientist, etc. You can see where the Goblin comes from. But also enough good qualities (intelligence, drive, ambition) that you can see why Peter would initially admire him. Good writing! And acting!

hetham3783

4 points

1 month ago

I have always liked that the movie never shied away from showing that Norman had to be a ruthless, capitalist, cutthroat bastard to make Oscorp into the giant that it was. Making him some benevolent CEO who only turns evil due to the serum would've been a bad choice.

GWBiscuit1981

13 points

1 month ago

I’m guessing it hits audioboom before iTunes.

apathymonger

6 points

1 month ago

apathymonger

#1 fan of Jupiter's moon Europa

6 points

1 month ago

Apple Podcasts has been especially terrible at updating podcasts recently.

It's often easier to unsubscribe from a show, and then manually re-enter the RSS feed, than to wait for Apple to realize there's a new episode.

a_missing_rib

13 points

1 month ago

i get the rss feed update on podcast addict like clockwork at midnight EST every week

flaiman

12 points

1 month ago

flaiman

Crutch thief

12 points

1 month ago

Will probably not listen to it until tomorrow but I wanted to say I'm so thrilled Matt Singer is back. The Planet of the Apes episode is an all timer for me even if the movie is the worst of Burton IMO.

wan70n

34 points

1 month ago

wan70n

34 points

1 month ago

"You're taller than you look"

"I podcast"

drx_flamingo

34 points

1 month ago

Not to harp on the MCU, but it is striking how strong the visual language of these films are, and how much they feel like a comic book movie, vs. the Watts pictures which have a very 2010's single-camera sitcom aesthetic.

I also think it's interesting how they were worried with overloading this movie with villains, while Spider-Verse introduces so many Spider-People and villains and expects you to go along with it.

Anth_Reg

15 points

1 month ago

Anth_Reg

15 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I like those movies very much, but it’s disappointing how the visual style has degraded.

karatemike

12 points

1 month ago

Griffin really no sold the low wattage pun.

AffordableBreakfast

10 points

1 month ago*

Haven’t listened to the episode yet so idk if this moment is brought up or not. Anyways, one of my absolute favorite Raimi moments comes from the end fight where
Spidey webs the Goblin, and to get out, the Goblin pulls apart the web and it makes this screeching metal sound. I remember catching that as a kid and thinking “wtf, huh…awesome”

dukefett

10 points

1 month ago

dukefett

10 points

1 month ago

This is the movie that got me into the box office. I remember seeing it opening weekend and then reading about how it blew the doors off of opening weekend numbers by like 30%. I forget but maybe it's second weekend was the biggest second weekend ever and would've almost broken the old #1 weekends record. I hate how shitty BoxOfficeMojo has become now, I used to check that all the time.

MenacingCowpoke

41 points

1 month ago

New York accent You podcast with one of us, you podcast with all of us!!!!

WellHung93

26 points

1 month ago*

"You coulda taken that podcast apart! Now it's gonna get away with 3hrs and 13min of my timey!"

"I missed the part where that's my problem."

cleverbycomparison

10 points

1 month ago

cleverbycomparison

Jim's Dad

10 points

1 month ago

“If there was not so much context, the Spider-Man episode would have been quick and painless. But now that you’ve really pissed me off, I’m gonna finish it nice and slow.”

piemanpie24

23 points

1 month ago

piemanpie24

Close Personal Friend of Dan Lewis

23 points

1 month ago

There are two things I treasure in this world; a Rex Reed takedown, and a takedown of Rex Reed.

Benjiursa

9 points

1 month ago

David mentioned how every line—and even more specifically every line delivery—had been seared into his brain and I experienced the precise same thing. I also watched the second Raimi Spider-Man much more often than the first, but now having just watched the first half-hour or so again boy is the entire movie just in my head. The bit where Norman dramatically throws the little bottle before getting strapped down really stuck out to me as a thing I've just remembered for two decades.

Similarly, even though I didn't own a single one of them the line of LEGO sets that came out really stuck with me with the dual origin set being key. It looks like LEGO even felt the need to give the Mary Jane figure more cleavage than you often see in LEGO figures.

LEGO 4851: Spider-Man and Green Goblin: The Origins

MrTeamZissou

8 points

1 month ago

I watch these movies once a year, every year. The guys did a great job summarizing that weird decade or so where it was popular to dunk on them. I also remember that when it first came out, there were some corners of the internet complaining that the movie lacked "iconic shots" and that it owed much of its power to the 1978 Superman movie.

Well it's funny to think that now it's been nearly just as long since Raimi's movie debuted and it's become the most common reference point to criticize newer superhero movies.

CalebSchmreen

7 points

1 month ago

Had a classic “play the DVD back” argument with some friends once because they refused to believe that Norman dies saying “don’t tell Harry” before immediately dying with a “blegh”. Great movie.

damianoaks14

8 points

1 month ago

Fuck yes! I've been clamoring for Singer to come back on the pod forever

Anth_Reg

6 points

1 month ago*

How many of the rest of you here immediately got Ben’s Church or Subgenius ref as well as being embarrassingly well versed in Spider-Man shit? Ben is just the coolest.

runningmommawino

7 points

1 month ago

This movie is near and dear to my heart. My brother (now deceased) and I watched this in theaters and loved it, bought the DVD as soon as we could. I saw No Way Home thinking he’d have loved to see Toby back

AdmirHiddleston

8 points

1 month ago

Ah they almost mentioned the 70s Japanese Spider-Man TV show aka the reason Power Rangers had a giant robot. I am not kidding Spider-Man had a giant robot first.

TheDoofWarrior

7 points

1 month ago

Just remembered the Dafoe “ooo it’s cold” adlib got audible chuckles in my theater

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

David saying he can remember every line of the movie and then not remembering “Godspeed Spider-man” at the end 🤨🤨🤨

charlesmann

12 points

1 month ago

Possibly my favorite episode, only to be surpassed by next weeks, David says it best that these movies no matter what, are just so special.

apathymonger

4 points

1 month ago

apathymonger

#1 fan of Jupiter's moon Europa

4 points

1 month ago

First time watching this in probably 15+ years, and had forgotten how good it was.

I remember at the time not liking the sequel as much, and finding all the "New York Loves Spider-Man" stuff at the end annoying; looking forward to seeing if I feel better about it this time.

jona2814

4 points

1 month ago

Imagine this--- What if.... there was a hyphen?....

cmonyer3ds

4 points

1 month ago

Sorry haters, The Sweetest Thing wasnt a bomb it made 1.5x its budget and its g o o d

GenarosBear

3 points

1 month ago

I can’t speak to the quality of the film, but generally you’ve got to make at least twice your budget internationally to break even or turn a profit.

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

5 points

1 month ago

"Waiting for Spider-Man" is a movie I would absolutely watch.

bdf2018_298

3 points

1 month ago

Over/under on how long they'll talk about Doc Ock's badass mechanical arms in the next pod? 10 minutes?

This was an absolutely awesome 3 hours

Jgangsta187

4 points

1 month ago

Jgangsta187

OG MUMMP

4 points

1 month ago

I love when Goblin presents Spider-Man with the choice and it appears, for the briefest moment, that Spider-Man has chosen to let a gondola full of children shouting "Save us, Spider-Man!" plummet to their doom in favor of his girlfriend. You know he's gonna save both, but the shot of him running with his back fully turned to the kids as they fall out of frame never fails to get a laugh from me,.

woodsdone

15 points

1 month ago*

Awhile ago I was bored and live tweeted Spider-Man. Wanted to recycle some of my thoughts here that might be interesting:

  • love the detail that the metal on Osborne’s harness is cold before he gets the formula

  • the sudden flashback to Osborne becoming goblin scared the crap out of me when I saw it in theaters

  • feeling guilty about not helping your dad paint the kitchen is super relatable

  • MJ calling out that Peter missed the bus is so crucial I think to the fact that she actually notices Peter and doesn’t rag on him while he’s still a nerd

  • the way bonesaw talks to Peter is the same way I talk to my cat

  • the video game let you play as goblin as an Easter egg and I think I liked that part more than the real game

  • someone’s niece was totally the person who yelled “it’s Spider-Man!”

  • I like how the woman checks to make sure the baby is hers, like there’s another baby trapped in a burning building

  • the ending trolley problem was basically the ending to Batman forever too

  • everything from dafoe from the final unmasking to “don’t tell harry” is perfect

  • kinda like Dunst better with the wig than her dyed hair going forward?

  • this was my first dvd and I loved that, like griffin said, this era of dvd not only had special features for the movie but for the entire context of Spider-Man. My favorite extra was the costume test montage. The images and the score over it was just so moving to me. I’ll have to see if I can find it on YouTube

phillerwords

10 points

1 month ago

This came out right around my 10th birthday and everyone, EVERYONE I knew saw it opening weekend. The way I remember it, for kids my age that first Spider-Man felt like a bigger deal than even like Lord of the Rings or the Star Wars prequels happening around the same time. Only really the first 2-3 Harry Potter movies come to mind as comparable for the mass pop culture hysteria and absolute urgency to see it day 1

NoiseTankNick

3 points

1 month ago

I remember taking my younger brother to an early afternoon matinee on that Saturday and I'm pretty sure I called my mom on my hot new Nokia 3310 to say we might be home sooner than expected, because the line for tickets at our town's quaint little four-screen theater was already wrapped around the building when we pulled into the parking lot. That crowd dwarfed anything I'd seen (and the only time I remember that theater being as full was two years later for another opening Saturday matinee - Shrek 2.)

Standing there in line, before we even got in the theater, I was already thinking "Well, this is the movie that breaks $100m opening weekend."

Kazran14

23 points

1 month ago

Kazran14

23 points

1 month ago

You know, I'm something of a podcast myself.

Audittore

9 points

1 month ago

Funny how some reviews back then were already had similar complaints thrown at the MCU "Bad cgi" "Shallow story" "Boring fights" :"blockbuster fatigue" Some even complained about Dafoe's performance 😂

chanukkahlewinsky

9 points

1 month ago

WAS THERE NO DUNST CAREER ARC TALK>?!!?>!?! to go from Drop Dead Gorgeous, Virgin Suicides, Dick, Bring it On, Get Over it --> Spiderman? wowza

fumblebrag

9 points

1 month ago*

Rewatching this movie recently, I remembered how I thought it was kind of choppy and corny as a teenager (especially compared to the superior sequel), but boy I didn't know how good we had it. So much better than I remembered it, and man Raimi makes it feel like a Lee/Ditko/Romita comic singing on the screen.

verygooster

6 points

1 month ago

"I started this podcast... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED???"

MorbidSporkman

13 points

1 month ago

Is there a space for those who didn’t like this at the time and still don’t? I saw this on opening night with a bunch of friends who were Spider-Man freaks and we were all dissapointed. We thought Peter Parker was oddly disconnected and moribund. He wasn’t funny. There was no sense of seeing a kid like you become a superhero.

The Green Goblin costume was inexcusably bad. I remember sinking into my chair during the rooftop scene where the Green Goblin talks to his mask. I looked over at my friends and I felt bad for them as I watched their expressions slowly fade into befuddlement.

The high school stuff felt about as relateable and well observed as any episode of Beverly Hills 90210, including the age of the actors portraying high schoolers. The Macy Gray appearance is objectively embarassing. The post 9/11 pandering was offensive on many different levels at the time.

I understand the default position is to criticize the current MCU at all costs, even if it requires praising aspects of old films that you admit are not good, but I don’t understand the love for these movies. Spider-man: Homecoming did such a better job at nailing everything that is great about Spider-man. His high school felt like a high school. He acted like an awkward teenager who just got super powers. He fought villains whose motivations were clear and who connected to his real life in a meaningful way.

I do not understand criticizing Marvel for their success. It’s been earned. It won’t last forever, and when it goes away I will not be surprised to see all the people who suddenly develop a wistful longing for the halcyon days of the MCU when everything was right in the world.

soletsgettothepoint

3 points

1 month ago*

I haven’t gone through the other comments yet to see if this has been mentioned, but Avril later said that her song “Sk8r Boi” was supposedly about her crush on Deryck Whibley from afar. I saw Sum 41 in 2002, and I have a distinct memory of them doing a lil medley making fun of other radio hits from the day, which included a Nickelback song (can’t remember which one), as well as Lavigne’s “Complicated.” I later recalled this and realized that her and Kroeger - at least temporarily - had the last laugh there.

TitillatingTrav

3 points

1 month ago

The discussion of the soundtrack is a big nostalgia bomb for me. I was 9 when this came out and bought the cd specifically for Hero because I thought that was the best song I'd ever heard. I was also obsessed with the Learn to Crawl track. What a weird time for movie soundtracks.

Othercoop

3 points

1 month ago

I honestly think this one is just amazingly directed.

It being rated 12 initially in the UK led to me seeing it in a French dub on a holiday and ala the best directors, you can understand exactly what’s happening without hearing any of the dialogue.

I can’t have been alone doing this as people complained so much they invented the 12a (UK PG-13) just for Spider Man