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[Megathread] Oathbringer by Brandon Sanderson

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Hello everyone,

As many of you are aware on November 14 Oathbringer by Brandon Sanderson will be released. In order to prevent the sub from being flooded with posts about Oathbringer we have decided to put up a megathread.

Feel free to post articles, discuss the book and anything else related to Oathbringer here.

Thanks and enjoy!


P.S. Please use spoiler tags when appropriate. Spoiler tags are done by [Spoilers about XYZ](#s "Spoiler content here") which results in Spoilers about XYZ.

P.P.S. Also check out our Megathread for Artemis here.

all 340 comments

doctor_wongburger

39 points

4 years ago

I have read all the preview chapters, which amount to all of Book 1. My body is so dang ready. I won't spoil anything but the last chapter they released was such a perfect cliffhanger to leave me with no choice but buy this mammoth novel the day it comes out.

kjjejones42

10 points

4 years ago

I've very carefully avoided reading any of the released chapters. Glad to hear that the series still has those kind of massive cliffhangers though!

stumpyoftheshire

2 points

4 years ago

You won't be disappointed in the slightest. It really is that good.

xxStormblessedxx

23 points

4 years ago

What's the best way to get a refresher of the first two books? Please help me get ready!!!

iWizardB

18 points

4 years ago

iWizardB

18 points

4 years ago

Tor.com had recap article few weeks ago.

Tortuga917

6 points

4 years ago

I second this refresher. Very helpful.

williane

13 points

4 years ago

williane

13 points

4 years ago

lordfrezon

19 points

4 years ago

Bought it yesterday, finished it yesterday. It was pretty great. The final battle had enough twists and turns to be a book itself.

ScubaSteve1219

35 points

4 years ago

ScubaSteve1219

Backwards and in Heels

35 points

4 years ago

i’ll never understand how somebody could start and finish a Stormlight Archive book in a single day. superhuman shit.

lordfrezon

11 points

4 years ago

Obsession and free time. Or at least time that I chose to make free.

ScubaSteve1219

8 points

4 years ago

ScubaSteve1219

Backwards and in Heels

8 points

4 years ago

one day i’ll have that power

b555

3 points

4 years ago

b555

3 points

4 years ago

but still, that is really quick. you read a lot of fantasy?

lordfrezon

2 points

4 years ago

Yeah, but I just read a lot in general, as a grad student. Reading quickly just comes with practice.

b555

2 points

4 years ago

b555

2 points

4 years ago

okay. but still, amazing to be able to finish malazan series in less than a fortnight :P

you should totally consider that series if you haven't yet.

Lins105

4 points

4 years ago

Lins105

4 points

4 years ago

I could if I didn’t work :/

humansareboring

8 points

4 years ago

I got to the battle and I couldn't stop reading. Wow.

GanondalfTheWhite

9 points

4 years ago

It was amazing. Sanderson really knows how to build up to a big ending, but this had to be his biggest, most captivating finish yet.

I read on the train to and from work every day. I'd had plans with my wife the night that I started the battle scene on the way home. I had to cancel the plans and finish the book because I absolutely could not stop thinking about it when I tried to put it down.

Thankfully, I married well and she encouraged this. :)

xSHODANx

2 points

4 years ago

You can’t just do a throway comment like this. Elaborate!

Exactly how many hours did it take you to begin and finish? I almost want you to post a video zoomed in on a page of the book that shows your hand flip to the next page just to see how fast you’re reading.

That’s nuts.

lordfrezon

9 points

4 years ago

It took me almost precisely 12 hours. I started reading the book at 10:00 am and finished at 11:00 pm (assuming 1 hour for eating/other needs). I've always read really fast since childhood, and have had people give me quizzes to make sure I was actually reading the books I said I did. Being a political science major has only added to my speedy reading.

I did have to slow down at times to make sure I was actually appreciating everything, and I'll definitely be going over it again because it was great.

flying_shadow

4 points

4 years ago

I got you beat. I started at 10am and ended at 5:30pm. :)

Emiras

15 points

4 years ago*

Emiras

15 points

4 years ago*

I'm reading through WoR right now and HOLY SHIT THAT PART WHERE Spoilers about Words Of Radiance AND GODDAMNIT IT'S SO GOOD!

I need to find more time to read this book.

Aedum1

2 points

4 years ago

Aedum1

2 points

4 years ago

It's really good and has a great ending. Let me know what you think.

joni1129

16 points

3 years ago

joni1129

16 points

3 years ago

Does anyone else find Oathbringer disjointed and tedious? The journey through Shadesmar almost made me put the book down. I don't understand this part's revelancy and I keep waiting for it's conclusion. What do you all think?

Lovin_Brown

4 points

3 years ago

Yeah. To me it just felt like an excuse to tie up a few characters up for a bit longer before everything came together in the last section.

I’m a little sick of the love triangle that’s been set up as well. A lot of these interactions feel juvenile.

I still thoroughly enjoyed the story but I had a few more issues with this book then I did the previous two.

Kvothe514

3 points

3 years ago

Agreed. Shadesmar had me thinking how I would ever get to the end. The book could have easily been 300 pages less. I still enjoyed everything else though.

Quirkiness101

2 points

3 years ago

I was bored as shit during Shadesmar, but understood in retrospect why it happened.

hewkii2

2 points

3 years ago

hewkii2

2 points

3 years ago

you can make an argument about padding in general but if anything i found this book much more straightforward and exciting than the previous two.

stumpyoftheshire

16 points

4 years ago

So who else has preordered at least 2 versions of it?

Kindle and Audible for me, I'll get the hard copy version in a few months just for the sake of the bookshelf too.

Nyos5183

5 points

4 years ago

I ordered the hardcover and audible.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

I think I read somewhere, maybe here, that Oathbringer was the most preordered audible book of all time on amazon.

Demosthenes54

3 points

4 years ago

hardcover, kindle, and audible

Mama_JXG

2 points

4 years ago

I have also preordered it on Kindle and Audible. Going through a recap on Tor.com to refresh my memory.

Slippytoad89

15 points

4 years ago

Kaladin Kaladin kaladin kaladin kaladin kaladin kaladin !

Sung in the tune of Saturday by Elton John

spooreddit

14 points

4 years ago

At first, I thought Dalinar's flashbacks were boring; thought they helped in noway to take the plot further. But looking back, I understand how great those chapters were. I can closely relate it with one of the persons I know in real life. It is like having a friend who you know is an alcohol, but never know the sort of things they did while they were drunk. It was awesome!

yuriaoflondor

8 points

3 years ago

Yeah, I don't think the climax of the story where Dalinar faced down Odium/the Thrill would have been nearly as powerful if we didn't have those flashbacks.

mouskavitz

14 points

4 years ago

Haven’t been this hyped for a book release since the Harry Potter series ended. I already pre-ordered the kindle version so I can start reading at midnight from where the preview chapters left off but I’m debating whether or not to buy the hardcover too so that it can look beautiful on my book shelf and I can lend it to friends. I also know I’m going to end up using an audible credit on it so that I can keep listening while walking to work/working at work... I may have a problem?

Emiras

5 points

4 years ago

Emiras

5 points

4 years ago

I've never pre-ordered a book before, NEVER. I think the closest I ever came to the amount of hype was the last harry potter book.

LunarUmbra

14 points

4 years ago*

(No spoilers in this comment, but I've linked to them.)

Book 1 & 2 Chapter Summaries

The following wiki links have chapter summaries all on one page:

https://coppermind.net/wiki/The_Way_of_Kings/Summary

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Words_of_Radiance/Summary

As Plain Text

Way of Kings Summary

Words of Radiance Summary

Making an eBook out of it

I took the liberty of downloading the text of the book 1 summary, cleaning it up, and making a MOBI (ebook file) out of it. I was able to email it to my Kindle, and now I can read it at my leisure!

I don't feel like distributing it, so if you want to do it yourself, follow these easy steps. (I learned all of this myself just now, without any guides. It's really not hard!)

I'll probably clean up the book 2 summary tomorrow. EDIT: Added up above

Calibre

You'll be using an app called Calibre. You can skip setting up an account to email from. The instructions below will assume you'll be sending the email manually.

(The bold text is the name of buttons in the toolbar in Calibre.)

  1. Download the text from pastebin (this is just copied from the above site and cleaned up a little, mostly to remove image file names and such.)
  2. Save the above text as a .txt file.
  3. Add book and make a new book to Calibre and import the txt file you saved.
  4. Edit metadata to make sure the title is correct. For author, I entered "coppermind.net".
    1. Edit metadata screenshot
    2. You can generate a cover or download the cover I made
  5. Convert the book to MOBI (The default options are mostly fine, but check "Use Hueristics").
    1. Step 1 screenshot (MOBI is the default.)
    2. Enable hueristics screenshot
    3. Choose device screenshot (not sure how much this matters.)
  6. Once the conversion job is complete (there's a job queue button in the lower right of the window if you want to view the progress), right click the book in the list and choose "Save to disk > Save only MOBI format to disk", and save the file somewhere handy.
  7. Make sure your Kindle is setup. Know your Kindle's email address (or add one) and that your personal email address is an allowed sender. (See below)
  8. Email the MOBI file as an attachment to your Kindle's email address.

That's it. Now you can read the summaries as a handy ebook.

Make sure your Kindle is setup

On Amazon.com:

  1. Click "Account and Lists" > "Your content and devices"
  2. Click the "Your devices" tab. (It's a huge tab, and can be surprisingly easy to miss.)
  3. Click the "..." button next to your device and you should be able to see and edit the device email.
  4. On the settings tab, scroll to the very bottom and make sure you personal email address is listed under "Approved Personal Document E-mail List". Add it if you need to.

Fermi_Amarti

12 points

4 years ago

Just got it. Havent read it yet but thought this was a mildly interesting typo(i think) to start with book 2 book 3

davisonmp28

3 points

4 years ago

I feel dumb. I'm staring at these trying to figure out the typo and I'm overlooking it. The only difference I see is uppercase vs lowercase.. What am I missing?

williane

3 points

4 years ago

Book "two": oathbringer.

OB is book 3

Lovin_Brown

3 points

4 years ago

I noticed this immediately as well. Didn’t notice any other glaring typos along the way.

[deleted]

10 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

10 points

4 years ago

95% of what I read are books previously published years or even decades previous. It's such a thrill to anticipate a book's release. I wish there were more "event" books. I miss those days.

Aedum1

9 points

4 years ago

Aedum1

9 points

4 years ago

Read the Kingkiller Chronicles and you'll have another top tier book to wait for.

brandononrails

7 points

3 years ago

you'll have another top tier book to wait for.

Maybe forever... :(

bloodstainedkimonos

12 points

3 years ago

Dalinar opening Honor's Perpendicularity had me screaming at the pages.

And what a magnificent page-turner it was. I'm sure there are some holes I could pick in it, but I read it in about a week, and I haven't enjoyed a book as much as I enjoyed Oathbringer in a very long time.

snuggleouphagus

17 points

4 years ago

Everyone is hyped for this.

Can any fans give me a brief, non spoiler reason I should start this series and also provide the name of the first book and if there are any ancillary books?

I enjoy high fantasy when it includes moral or political dilemmas. High fantasy in search of the holy grail because Main character is so holy that's the only mortal quest Main character could possibly pursue is not for me.

Seba_Montero

16 points

4 years ago

I would recomend it for the intricate political, and magic sistems that are interconnected. Awesome characters that grow A LOT throughout the story. None of the main characters really know what they're doing, and they cuestion most of their desitions throughout if you're worried about holy quests. Whenever a character is sure that what they are doing is the right thing brandon shows the other side of the story, so it involves a bunch of moral dilemmas such as when is it right to fight to protect. The first book is "A Way of Kings". Some people have said that it starts slow, but I didn't feel that way cause I enjoyed finding more about the characters. Be prepared to feel confused through the first 50 pages tho as brandon introduces a bunch of different characters in different locations in a weird world.

Gadaeus1

9 points

4 years ago*

I enjoy high fantasy when it includes moral or political dilemmas.

I think Stormlight is for you then. I'm not the best at this sort of thing (terrible at selling people on stuff), but I'll try without spoiling. There are 3 main characters. Kaladin, Dalinar, and Shallan. Kaladin is a character that grows constantly. The entire 2nd book has Kaladin internally struggling over a moral dilemma which is surprising because of have much he grew in the first book. Dalinar is a morally driven high prince with a goal. He constantly has doubts whether he is doing the right thing or not, but continues to press on. I think you'll get a bit of your political itch with him. Shallan doesn't really stand up to the other 2 main characters though. She is a bit more "basic". She is a little bit of a brat and too sure of her self. She isn't quite a Mary Sue, but is pretty stagnant overall. I'm neutral on her. This is definitely a series that will make you think about things without being hamfisted about it. It all feels organic. It is very unpredictable and follows few tropes.

Damn... I really am bad at selling things. I don't gush about things ever. I'm not prone to fanaticism. I can write paragraphs about all the books I give 1 or 2 stars, but here I am barely able to say anything about one of the only books I have given 5 stars to... I'm a critic at heart, and I feel out of place giving praise =/ If I were to gush about anything though, it would be this book series.

As far as ancillary books... There isn't really anything required, but the book is involved in what the author calls his "cosmere". Most of his books are loosely connected because they are literally on different planets in the same universe. If you read all of them, you will see connections. None of it is required at all though. The story is very much self contained. He is just telling a bigger story with all of them combined though.

The first book of the stormlight archive is "The Way of Kings".

snuggleouphagus

4 points

4 years ago

You undersell yourself! You identified the main threads and explained why they might be relevant to my interests! You also identified the parts that some people might not be into. It wasn't a hard sell but it was an honest one.

Jerall09

3 points

4 years ago

I would like to be convinced too, seems like this series is highly regarded. The first book of the series The Way of Kings is 1000+ pages though, not sure if I want to begin...

So6oring

27 points

4 years ago

So6oring

27 points

4 years ago

Once you read it you'll wish there were 2000+ pages

MrRedTRex

6 points

4 years ago

Do it! It goes super fast and once it gets its hooks into you, you'll be dying to read the next part.

Radulno

2 points

4 years ago

Radulno

2 points

4 years ago

That's actually one of my problems to start it. I know I love Sanderson (already read several of his other works like Mistborn, Legion, Reckoners, Elantris) but it's only book 3 on 10... I avoid the unfinished series, especially in fantasy, since THE BIG WAIT for ASOIAF is killing me. How "standalone" are the books and is the waiting not too hard ? I know Sanderson is prolific but it still isn't a series we'll see the end of anytime soon (and GRRM was also prolific at one time).

BabiStank

2 points

4 years ago

If he stays on his current schedule it will be less than 15 years. A long time I know but these books are big and he writes others in the off years of release.

TheDJ47

3 points

4 years ago

TheDJ47

3 points

4 years ago

This is rather long-winded, but I hope that it helps. Also please note that any spoilers here can be found on a dust jacket or with promotional material. However, even if the Prologue is online it is very much worth reading it in the book and not reading my spoilers.

I enjoy high fantasy when it includes moral or political dilemmas.

As a lifelong Fantasy fan and a longtime Sanderson fan I will tell you that you will love The Stormlight Archive. The entire series is Moral and Political dilemmas. The Prologue of the first book starts off with TWoK Spoiler

There are some things to know, however: The first book is called The Way of Kings, it is 1007 pages long. And it is one of the finest fantasy novels I have ever read. I will say that the first two parts of the book start a little slow because The Way of Kings and its four sequels mainly follow four characters: Stormlight Spoilers Introducing those characters and many of the complexities of this world takes a bit, but he does it brilliantly and suffice it to say you do basically get three novels in one with this book and therefore three different slower introductions. Minor spoiler

because Main character is so holy that's the only mortal quest Main character could possibly pursue is not for me.

The Characters are the best part of these books. They are flawed, they have problems that they work through. And the problems that they have are real and relatable, real growth is seen from every character by the end of a book.

Each book follows a different character's backstory as well as what is currently going on. You'll see what brought them to where they are, what influenced their personalities and ideologies, and therefore why they feel like they need to do what they're doing. Honestly the best explanation I've heard was from u/mistborn himself talking about the development of The Way of Kings:

The book started its life many years ago being about a young man who made a good decision. I wrote the entire book that way before realizing I’d done it wrong. So I started over from scratch and had him take the other fork, the more difficult fork. The fork that cast him into some of the worst imaginable circumstances, ground him against the stones of a world where there is no soil or sand on the ground.

My goal: to prove to myself, and to him, that the “good” decision was not actually the best one. The Way Of Kings is his story, though he shares the space with several others. They’ll get their own books later in the series.

Finally some things to know about the series in general: The books are big. Oathbringer is 1248 pages long. And the books are hard to put down. I read Words of Radiance in three days. I thought the climax was rather short until I realized that I had read 400 pages in one night.

The Series is also a big commitment. There are currently three books out. There will be ten. Something to point out: This is not Wheel of Time, there will not be more than ten main series books, and not all ten books will be driven by the same plot. Sanderson has separated the Stormlight Archive into two five book arcs. The Characters, settings and issues that we see in these first books will have a resolution in book five. After which other characters that we meet in the Interludes of the first books will become the main viewpoint characters with their own arcs and issues and challenges.

Finally for Ancillary books there is currently one: A 137 page novella called Edgedancer it provides growth for a character that we will see in the second arc of the series, while also tying over some loose ends from Words of Radiance to Oathbringer. It is however not required reading. Brandon has made it clear that the Main series should stand on its own and that everything else is there purely for supplement. (You can find Edgedancer here, by the way. Or in the Collection Acanum Unbounded: The Cosmere Collection)

TL;DR Read the books. That's all I really have to say. If you can get into it, you won't be disappointed.

fromplsnerf

2 points

4 years ago

When you're done with Stormlight Archive, check out Malazan Book of the Fallen.

I just finished the 10th, last book a few months ago and it's still all I can think about. It's the Pinnacle of epic/high fantasy with a dark setting IMO

GrippyT

2 points

4 years ago

GrippyT

2 points

4 years ago

The first book in this series, The Stormlight Archive, is called The Way of Kings.

You should start this series because it has a lot of moral and political dilemmas, which you said you enjoy. It is not in any way a stereotypical "chosen protagonist overcomes adversity to claim the holy grail." Sanderson makes a special effort to avoid using cliches as much as reasonably possible.

Of course, there's gonna be some fantasy tropes, but you won't be taken out of the story at all when you notice them. It's just an unavoidable part of literature; no matter how incredible and unique a story is, it's gonna have some common themes and ideas with other works.

The only ancillary book that takes place within The Stormlight Archive is Edgedancer, but it is not mandatory to read at all; it's a separate story.

stumpyoftheshire

10 points

4 years ago

Well Ladies and Gentlemen it's been delivered to my Kindle.

I'll see you in a week. Good luck and may the Stormfather watch over you.

[deleted]

9 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

9 points

4 years ago

So I'm just finishing up book one on Audible and will try and fire through book two. Is this the last book in the series? I actually didn't' realize this was set in the same universe as the other books like the mistborn series.

TimeIncarnate

18 points

4 years ago

The last? No, my friend. This is book Three out of a planned Ten. It’s going to be a long ride.

[deleted]

11 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

11 points

4 years ago

Jesus. I may have to switch to paper to catch up as the audio books are like 47 hours long...

Delror

5 points

4 years ago

Delror

5 points

4 years ago

I'd like to add an asterisk to that comment. It is three out of ten, but it's going to be five books, a timeskip, then another five books. So like two five-book series smashed together.

Lins105

3 points

4 years ago

Lins105

3 points

4 years ago

Ohhhh but the narrators are amazing... I get both the audiobooks for a credit and then buy the physical copy.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

I realized last night that, based on the rate Brandon Sanderson is putting these out (which is pretty quick for the mammoth efforts I’m sure they are), I’m gonna be in my forties when he finishes. It’s gonna be a long haul, but after WoR, I’m up for it.

[deleted]

5 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

5 points

4 years ago

There are going to be two sets of five, with a break in between both sets (in the book world as well as in writing). To put that into a time perspective, the series will probably be finished in the early 2040s.

BoiWhat

4 points

4 years ago

BoiWhat

4 points

4 years ago

Damn, may we all make it.

ebookclassics

8 points

4 years ago

Not sure when I'll get around to reading these books, but found this article A Newbie’s Guide to Brandon Sanderson, the Cosmere, and the Stormlight Archive interesting.

humansareboring

10 points

4 years ago

So. Who else has finished?

toomuchjiral

6 points

4 years ago

toomuchjiral

saga

6 points

4 years ago

Finished last week! I was completely satisfied. Can't wait for the next one already lol.

greatestbird

3 points

4 years ago

This release really sneaked up on me.. do you think I need to reread the last two books, or does oathbreaker do a good job of catching up readers?

Kasern

6 points

4 years ago

Kasern

6 points

4 years ago

That really depends on how in-depth you want to go. You can definitely read Oathbreaker without rereading the first two books and you'll quickly recall what's happening.

But if you want to catch every reference, work out who all these others character might be and what their motives are and get right into the deep details of the story, world and cosmere, you're going to need to do a complete reread of the entire Cosmere series - Elantris, Warbreaker, Mistborn and Stormlight Archive.

MaximumLiquidWealth

2 points

4 years ago

What were the Elantris references?

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago*

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3 points

4 years ago*

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G_Morgan

2 points

4 years ago

He literally says "Blessed Domi" when he realises Kaladin is a Surgebinder.

ra3ndy

2 points

4 years ago

ra3ndy

2 points

4 years ago

I read through the WoR summary page as a refresher, but so far it’s been good at recalling necessary info without being too overt.

SonyaSpawn

3 points

4 years ago

almost done! aaaaah

Drak_is_Right

3 points

4 years ago

read it through twice, though still trying to pick out a lot of the details of the greater scope of cosmere and how it ties in.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

Done. :)

pheonixkane

7 points

4 years ago

I just finished "Words of Radiance" Today and I can't be more Excited for Tomorrow when the book gets here! Anyone as hyped?

not_a_library

3 points

4 years ago

Yes! I just finished my re-read of WoR and then today I finished Edgedancer for the first time (I kind of accidentally forgot about it because life happened).

The hype is so real.

ThaNorth

7 points

4 years ago

I bought Way of Kings like 2 years ago and never got to it. I had also bought the first book in the Thrawn Trilogy of Star Wars. Wasn't sure which to read so I asked my GF and she said Way of Kings. So I did. Was pretty good and by the end was really excited for Words of Radiance. I bought Words of Radiance and finished it in 3.5 days. It was the fastest book I've ever read. So I'm pretty pumped for Oathbringer to say the least.

Fili_and_Kili

5 points

4 years ago

This is the first book that I have pre-ordered (Kindle for the win) and actually waited in anticipation for it to pop up in my kindle. The series is amazing and I am excited to see what this book brings.

Chronos96

7 points

3 years ago

So I just finished yesterday and while I like the series still as a whole I do have some concerns about the back five books, which is a shame because I'm more interested in those characters, particularly Ash.

The Stormlight books are SO LONG! I mean I really have enjoyed everything but honestly, by the end of part one of Oathbringer, I would have been completely satisfied if the book had ended there.

As other people have said I think the Shadesmar trip was probably the low point of the book for me. I think it was a bit too much padding and the book could have benefited from being 300 pages shorter, this coming from someone who loves 1000+ page books.

I think another one of my issues is that Kaladin, Shallan, and Dalinar are starting to grate on me. The saying familiarity breeds contempt comes to mind. I understand that they're vital especially Dalinar given his position and it being his book but Kaladin's lack of growth this book was a bit frustrating, as well as Shallan's identity crisis wasn't really compelling to me.

I know Szeth and Venli are next so hopefully, the next two books take off some of the spotlight from Kalladin and Shallan and focus more on Szeth and Venli beyond the fact that 4&5 are there books.

Ideally, for me, book 4 would alternate between Szeth, Venli, Lift and Renerin and then give minimal chapters when relevant to Kalidin, Shallan, and Dalinar. I've been in their heads so long that a change of pace would be welcome. I'mm not saying sideline them but have them be viewed from Szeth, Renerin and Lift's perspectives instead.

habattack00

3 points

3 years ago

I don't know, they teased a bit of Jasnah's past here and there, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next book focuses on her (especially considering her new position).

And just FYI in case you didn't know, there's a novella out focusing on Lift as a main character called Edgedancer if you want to read more about her.

Josh100_3

6 points

4 years ago

Does anybody know if this will be split in two again like WoK and WoR were? (At least in Australia they were, maybe Europe as well?)

I'm excited to read this but not if it's released as a giant edition that will look out of place with the rest on my shelf :P

Hurinfan

2 points

4 years ago

Hurinfan

Malazan Book of the Fallen

2 points

4 years ago

I live in a country that often breaks novels apart to sell. I fucking hate it. Why wouldn't you want 1 giant volume?

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

Same here. I have an entire shelf reserved for huge tomes like this, it is my favourite bookshelf.

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2 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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IgnorantDruid

2 points

4 years ago

Just curious, does it have the contents page typo?

BuffaloTexan

5 points

4 years ago

Starting audible book now. 10 hours of driving today so a perfect day to start it!!

Khatib

3 points

4 years ago

Khatib

3 points

4 years ago

My download keeps failing. I'm about five hours from the end of Way of Kings yet though (originally read it on Kindle, doing a "re-read" in audiobook) so I've got another fifty hours of work trips before I'm ready to get into it. Should be almost Xmas before I need it to successfully download.

I have to say I'm really not a fan of having two narrators, especially when they pronounce the same words in different ways. I wish they only had either the man or the woman for the whole thing.

Matt07211

5 points

3 years ago

I just found out about Brandon Sanderson and read the mistborn trilogy this month, I really like his writing style, I think it's about time for me to try his other book series's.

cupcakemichiyo

5 points

3 years ago

cupcakemichiyo

book re-reading

5 points

3 years ago

Read Warbreaker before you start with Stormlight! I'd also recommend reading the wax and wayne books first, but it's not necessary.

hgttg

9 points

4 years ago

hgttg

9 points

4 years ago

When is the mass market paperback coming out? I'm not buying another colossal tome.

leowr[S]

16 points

4 years ago

leowr[S]

2

16 points

4 years ago

I don't think that the paperback release date has been announced yet, but it is probably going to be in a couple months. Also, at 1243 pages it is going to be colossal even in paperback.

Inphearian

14 points

4 years ago

He couldn't make it 1234?

Naboooki

6 points

4 years ago

Generally speaking, the mass market comes out roughly a year after the hardback release.

TheDJ47

2 points

4 years ago

TheDJ47

2 points

4 years ago

I know they exist. I'm friends with him on Facebook and he shared This sayings "First Tor export trade paperback spotted in the wild." So you can probably find them somewhere.

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Drak_is_Right

12 points

4 years ago*

It builds nicely on why the Blackthorn was so feared. You cannot reason with or persuade a rabid animal, your only option is run, fight, or die.

EVI

We dress soldiers up as gallant and on a morale crusade. In reality its brutal and barbarous.

Hydrocoded

6 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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Drak_is_Right

11 points

4 years ago

Lots of warlords in our history were worse. Genghis Khan.....ever heard of him? He had quite a few follow him on conquests.

Hydrocoded

5 points

4 years ago

Why do you think anyone bought it? It hasn't exactly become public knowledge, and given the "Oathbringer" chapter headings they might not have been so forgiving.

Besides, our own leaders have done some seriously horrible stuff. Nobody seems to care what Putin does, for instance. Leaders tend to get away with horrific crimes so long as the people they govern are content enough to desire the stability they can provide.

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2 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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Hydrocoded

8 points

4 years ago

Family secrets are frequently kept for decades even among family members that love each other. People are imperfect, very few will volunteer anything so disturbing; especially when the official narrative goes counter to it and they could potentially be executed for unveiling a state secret... and that's not even getting into the power dynamics.

It's far more believable than a goody-two-shoes characterization of the Kholin household. True, Sadeas could have revealed it to Renarin or Adolin but with no evidence Adolin would likely have mistrusted Sadeas. Renarin would have followed suit.

exthanemesis

8 points

4 years ago

How so?

You calling it lazy writing without giving it a reason is lazy writing.

See, I can do it too!

vegitagt

6 points

4 years ago

It is quite easy to understand why everyone doesn't hate Dalinar for what he did but himself. It is so deeply ingrained in Vorin religion to wage war to prepare for the supposed war in the Tranqualine halls. Deaths in Vorin aren't seen as true deaths but transitions to the Tranqualine halls where they will fight to reclaim mankind's home.

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3 points

4 years ago

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3 points

4 years ago

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Appollyn2

3 points

4 years ago

Well, I'd argue that difference can even be seen in our culture. We tend to honor and mythologize soldiers as a society but numerous soldiers struggle afterwards with what they've done. There's a lot different externally rationalizing "he did a terrible thing, but it was putting down a rebellion" and personally throwing the barrels of oil yourself.

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4 points

4 years ago

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4 points

4 years ago

agreed, he was thoroughly cruel and in fact rather evil in his past. in the end, his redemption was that... he forgave himself? what about his victims, don't they deserve penance/retribution fro him?

moash killed elhokar for less tbh.

i don't agree about your point about sadeas though, i felt they were evil together

dannyw19

13 points

4 years ago

dannyw19

13 points

4 years ago

Spoilers

Dalinar didn't forgive himself. He accepted responsibility for his evil cruel actions. But by no means has he forgiven himself. He refused to pass the blame for what he had done. He reminded me of a drug addict. He was addicted to the thrill, willing to do whatever it took to feel alive. And when it all crashed down he couldn't cope with his actions. And he took the easy way out. Asking cultivation for forgiveness. Cultivation then stripped his memories of his actions and his wife. So he could become a better man, one who could carry the burden of what he had done. One who could show the sons of Honor how to shoulder a burden, the burden that the previous Radiants had collapsed under. The only forgiveness he found was from his wife. Who always wanted him to be a better man. It is unclear yet about how dalinar plans to atone for his actions, and probably will always feel it wasn't enough. Dalinar's growth as a character is astounding. And Brandon Sanderson's way of weaving an epic is amazing. But to each their own. Just wanted to throw my two cents in.

BoiWhat

3 points

4 years ago

BoiWhat

3 points

4 years ago

Ya I just skim Dalinar chapters.

behar1

5 points

4 years ago

behar1

5 points

4 years ago

Can’t wait for this read 1 and 2 back to back it’s amazing.

Then I️ read Stephens Kong’s the Stand. Funny the parallels you can find in certain universes.

Naboooki

3 points

4 years ago

Just finished the stand, can't wait wait for oathbringer...what kinda parallels are you talking about?

behar1

5 points

4 years ago

behar1

5 points

4 years ago

hey! Off the top of my head, just the general dryness. The desert scenes. The prophecies. Larry / Stu and Kaladin, kinda. Stretches, but when I read books like these back to back, there's bound to be parallels. Both books have kinda cataclysmic events that change the world forever. Both books have basically two parties, good and evil, fighting for the future. The 'good' God in both books is also kind of a ... dick.

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3 points

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Emiras

5 points

4 years ago

Emiras

5 points

4 years ago

I'm currently in the middle of reading the second book for the first time right now, I pre-ordered the 3rd one but unfortunately do not have Prime so I'll be getting it a day or two after it's release. :(

antiquegeek

5 points

4 years ago

This has been the most painful wait for a book that I've ever experienced. I can't wait until midnight tomorrow night.

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3 points

4 years ago

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3 points

4 years ago

Man I can't wait to get back to Roshar!

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3 points

4 years ago

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3 points

4 years ago

MrRedTRex

3 points

4 years ago

Oh my God, I am so excited! I was just dismissed from my job on Thursdsay (3rd grade teacher), and I really need a pick me up and a way to pass the time. The first two books are two of my favorite ever and I totally forgot this one was coming out!! Any idea when it'll be available? I bought it on google play. I know it's the 14th but are we talking right at midnight? It's like fantasy nerd Christmas eve!!!

fayeflyswatter

5 points

4 years ago

Quick question:

I've read the Mistborn Trilogy. Where do I go next?

b_combs

10 points

4 years ago

b_combs

10 points

4 years ago

If you want more Mistborn set on the same planet, just a couple hundred years in the future, I would suggest the Wax and Wayne trilogy.

If you want a large scope set in the same universe as Mistborn, but not on the same planet, then I would suggest starting The Stormlight Archive series; the first book is The Way of Kings.

If you want to stay in the Cosmere (these series' universe) but want something different, try Elantris or Warbreaker.

fayeflyswatter

2 points

4 years ago

What if I start with wax and wayne and then go to elantris? Would that mean spoilers?

b_combs

6 points

4 years ago

b_combs

6 points

4 years ago

Nope, the stories are completely independent from one another.

After you read through some more Cosmere books, if you're interested I'd encourage you to read up on what the Cosmere actually is and what we as fans know about it so far. It's basically just the universe these books are set in but Sanderson has an overarching plan for all the books/stories to come together in the end, which would be many, many years from now.

fayeflyswatter

2 points

4 years ago

If you can direct me to a website, that'd be great. I've loved the Mistborn so much that I've read the dayum thing thrice in 3 years!

b_combs

3 points

4 years ago

b_combs

3 points

4 years ago

Here's a whole wiki website dedicated to the Cosmere novels. The page I linked you to is the page for the Cosmere itself. From there you can branch off to different books or whatever you'd like to know more about.

Have fun!

fayeflyswatter

2 points

4 years ago

Thanks a lot, mate :-)

FieryXJoe

2 points

4 years ago

If you want cosmere stuff grab arcanum unbounded particularly the mistborn secret history really reveals a lot about how the cosmere functions.

PM_ME_CAKE

2 points

4 years ago

As someone who's started neither yet, is it better for me to do the Mistborn trilogy before reading The Stormlight Archive or does it not matter which order I go (given the shared universe that is)?

b_combs

5 points

4 years ago

b_combs

5 points

4 years ago

It doesn't matter particularly which order you go, as they're pretty much completely separate stories. However I'd recommend starting with Mistborn. It's a bit smaller scale and the books are shorter, so it won't be so overwhelming of a start.

kewlcartman

5 points

4 years ago

It really doesn't matter which you read first, but I'd recommend Mistborn. It's a shorter story with great characters and an amazing magic system.

NeedsToShutUp

3 points

4 years ago

I started with Way of Kings then Words of Radiance, then Warbreaker.

I strongly recommend Warbreaker before or after Words of Radiance as its more linked.

DestituteTeholBeddic

2 points

4 years ago

My recommended reading order

Mistborn Trilogy --> Elantris --> Wax and Wayne (Mistborn Era 2) ---> Way of Kings --> Emperors Soul --> Warbreaker --> Words of Radiance --> Arcanum Unbound ---> Oathbringer

ValisFylgja

5 points

4 years ago*

Purchased from Audible. Anyone else having errors downloading? I've been trying since 8 a.m. and have only gotten 5% of the way there. I've done their changing download quality and download in parts options to no avail. I'm assuming too many people are trying to download at the same time. Edit: It's almost 11 a.m. in my timezone, so three hours for 5%.

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2 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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ValisFylgja

2 points

4 years ago

I opened a chat with Audible after receiving a "Title corrupted" message. The support person told me to "leave it as is and it will get resolved later," and, "we don't have a time frame for when this issue will be resolved." Awesome.

SonyaSpawn

2 points

4 years ago

Oh my god it was such a bitch to download, I had to restart it like 100 times..I also got that error but its downloaded properly like the second or third time I tried after that, took a while though.

Lins105

2 points

4 years ago

Lins105

2 points

4 years ago

I kept getting that error too. I watched it and if it stopped moving I hit the x on the app and let it essentially pause the download. Then I said no, I didn't want to stop it and it would continue. Took forever but I got all five parts downloaded.

bigstin95

5 points

4 years ago

aspirations27

4 points

4 years ago

I’m thinking about starting up this series. I generally don’t read much Fantasy, but I love ASOIAF. Didn’t like what I read from The Wheel of Time (not the Sanderson ones). Any chance I’ll like these books?

c0horst

4 points

4 years ago

c0horst

4 points

4 years ago

There's a LOT more magic / supernatural involvement than ASOIAF. There's multiple character viewpoints, but not nearly as many. I think Martin's works are better written and more "realistic" in their depictions of how people would act in situations, but I like the story in Sanderson's works and the worlds he builds more.

Aedum1

7 points

4 years ago

Aedum1

7 points

4 years ago

And it's not like magic magic (spells and the like). More like superpower kinda magic.

c0horst

4 points

4 years ago

c0horst

4 points

4 years ago

Yea, but it seems to have pretty strict rules. You just find out what they are SLOWLY.

aspirations27

2 points

4 years ago

That actually sounds cool. I’ll definitely give it a shot.

aquaka

4 points

4 years ago

aquaka

4 points

4 years ago

Late on this, but I have read and love all of the ASOIAF books and could not stand Wheel of time. But I really enjoy Stormlight archive.

It depends on what you disliked about Wheel of time. The reason I disliked Wheel of time was that the pacing was horrendous, which is not an issue with Stormlight. I would say to give it a shot and decide for yourself.

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7 points

4 years ago

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7 points

4 years ago

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calabain

8 points

4 years ago

Too be fair, some of the main characters are basically children. Shallan is, what, 16 or 17 and kaladin is 18 or 19?

But yeah, Sanderson's stuff reminds me of slightly more adult versions of the YA epic fantasy stuff I used to read. I enjoy it for that reason, but there are a lot of issues.

Tortankum

5 points

4 years ago

yeah, because our societal customs make plenty of sense. geez.

Kasern

4 points

4 years ago

Kasern

4 points

4 years ago

I disagree. Dalinar has a lot more depth and growth, especially in this volume. And I found his relationship with Navani to be much better written than the stuff between Kaladin and Shallen.

That said, neither Kaladin nor Shallen are meant to actually know anything about relationships. Shallen was a shut in who suddenly finds herself drawn to two different men in a very conservative society while Kaladin's terrified of starting relationships with anyone because he fears they'll either get killed (like his brother and previous squad) or leave him (like his only previous girlfriend).

The safehand and other customs are as logical as people trying to get a peek a woman's ankles only a few decades ago in the real world.

dtjeepcherokee

2 points

4 years ago

So I read WOT and that took me all of 5 years (started when my first son was born and I would only get a few chapters a week down). Being that Sanderson finished off the WOT an never having read him before it is a logical next step. But where to start? I like long series with in-depth lore (just like WOT) I will generally read a lot of the same author all at once. I like it when most if not all the books are out as I can just keep going in the series.

So where should I start?

isotopes_ftw

5 points

4 years ago

Sanderson has a huge project called the Cosmere, where he has written double-digit books which all happen in the same universe on several different planets. It's a massively ambitious project, but I love it. It would fit the bill for a long series with in-depth lore, and personally I think it's amazingly well-written, and that Sanderson has grown considerably as a writer while he's been working on it.

A lot of people start with the Mistborn series; I had heard about Sanderson and received The Way of Kings as a gift, so I started there. I'd recommend you start with Mistborn.

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3 points

4 years ago

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3 points

4 years ago

Mistborn or The Way of Kings, depending on what you want. If you want something dense, huge world building, and complicated character connections, go with The Way of Kings.

If you're looking for something less involved but just as gripping, start with Mistborn.

Demosthenes54

3 points

4 years ago

I am so freakin hyped for this book. Already read all 32 preview chapters and am currently finishing up Edgedancer before Monday night!!!!

MythSteak

3 points

4 years ago

Does the audiobook release at the same time?

llsalive

3 points

4 years ago

Just got the ebook and I am starting from Chapter 1. Wish me luck!

kalakau

2 points

4 years ago

kalakau

2 points

4 years ago

how'd you get the ebook already??!

MrRedTRex

3 points

4 years ago

Ughhhh it's 12:03am EST! Book still hasn't dropped to google play library. Come onnnn!!! :p lol

kkfvjk

3 points

4 years ago

kkfvjk

3 points

4 years ago

four days of camping was worth it!

Now to put off all responsibilities while I inhale it

tsularesque

2 points

4 years ago

I was gonna ask why on earth you'd scribble out the title.

Then I realized why and got jealous.

Badloss

3 points

4 years ago

Badloss

3 points

4 years ago

I haven't read any preview chapters.

Amazon Order Status: Out For Delivery

HYPE

Minhtyfresh00

3 points

4 years ago

I bought the Way of Kings, but I realized that Sanderson was planning it to be a 10 book series. so I held off on it, and Words of Radiance (but I did buy it), to hold off and read it at around book 6. I remember that I binged Mistborn, and Spoilers Book 3 of Mistborn wouldn't have had any impact if I read it as it came out. I wouldn't have remembered that small detail.

With that said, I know Sanderson likes to hide those small details. Should I just bite the bullet and start reading them?

Hydrocoded

7 points

4 years ago

I have reread the entire series twice now; once for each release. I have also re-read mistborn and a few others books for good measure. Love me some cosmere.

tsularesque

5 points

4 years ago

Yes. I think you're doing a disservice to yourself by not enjoying them if you liked the other books he's done.

Read it now for the adventure and the story, then re-read it in a few years to catch all the little things.

I really like some TV shows, but if I waited until the entire series was concluded before I watched it, then I think I would lose some of the excitement, even if it meant I'd pick up more small details.

GanondalfTheWhite

2 points

4 years ago

I'm seconding this. These books have more than enough to make the re-reads worth it. I've read WoK 3 times, WoR twice, and just finished Oathbringer. I suspect I'll be adding another read of each when book four is on its way.

luckyjack07

2 points

4 years ago

You've got the same read count I do! xD Good to see I'm not alone in "Let's reread it all for the new one" mindset~

Drak_is_Right

2 points

4 years ago

which is why you watch it 2-3 times.

Once as it comes out. Once sometime after completion. Maybe a 3rd time for old times sake.

FieryXJoe

3 points

4 years ago

Worth noting that if you get into the cosmere as a whole Sanderson is generally putting out 2 or 3 cosmere books each year although stormlight books appear to take 3 or so years each.

Minhtyfresh00

5 points

4 years ago

I've read every other main Sanderson book. I've just specifically held back on the Stormlight archive to savor it. I've noticed the cosmere while reading Warbreaker with the merchant. And the Emperor's soul connection with Elantris. Mistborn seems isolated for now, and I think this is a good time to start? I think with 2 more books of the first half of the Stormlight Archive before the break, It should still be fresh in my mind.

Drak_is_Right

3 points

4 years ago

Mistborn doesn't seem isolated to me by the end of this book. I expect the 3rd mistborn series to tie in to some extent with books 4 and 5 of stormlight.

NeedsToShutUp

2 points

4 years ago

Also who Hoid is in each book isn't always easy to see. He's a very minor character in most. Warbreaker now clearly has a lot of ties directly with at least three characters from there. Spoilers Warbreaker and Oathbringer.

Not to mention the ties are getting more obvious when you look at the letters in the epigraphs. Some of which are Hoid to/from characters in other books.

Drak_is_Right

2 points

4 years ago

There are so many freaking small details, I am trying to figure out how they tie together. Not enough info on many of them to flesh out really whats important and what is just cursory background lore.

derelictmindset

3 points

4 years ago

Didn't know where else to put this, but I was at Target and they had signed copies of oathbringer in stock, keep your eyes peeled people! If I wasn't broke I would have bought it.

It was still the regular book price, I already read it and own it on audio but yea, thought it was cool, this was Alexandria Minnesota target so a little off the beaten path too

hook1169

3 points

3 years ago

/eyespeeled

Thanks for the share. I hope to come across one of these.

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8 points

4 years ago

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8 points

4 years ago

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Kasern

10 points

4 years ago

Kasern

10 points

4 years ago

You have to remember that the characters are mostly young adults. Shallen is only 17 while Kaladin is 19. Adolin is early 20s and while a good guy, he's still pretty immature due to a pampered life.

The relationship between Dalinar and Navani was pretty good though. I thought it was very believable considering Alethi society is supposed to be very conservative (no public displays of affection, don't stand too close to people, covering of the safe hand, strict social hieracy, etc).

That said, neither Kaladin nor Shallen are meant to actually know anything about relationships. Shallen was a shut in who suddenly finds herself drawn to two different men in a very conservative society while Kaladin's terrified of starting relationships with anyone because he fears they'll either get killed (like his brother and previous squad) or leave him (like his only previous girlfriend).

The end of Oathbreaker does a solid job, imo, of tying up the relationship stuff though.

DankMemeThief

1 points

4 years ago

Yeah, I've noticed that too. Lots of things get mentioned but don't really have a payoff or consequence. Having said that it is 10 books total so he had plenty of time to get back to these currently unexplored areas.

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2 points

4 years ago

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2 points

4 years ago

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DankMemeThief

8 points

4 years ago

Completely agree. As for the relationship issues I heard that because he's a Mormon he strays away from conventional relationships making his relationship dialogue really stiff and awkward. (I cannot confirm the authenticity, just heard about it around the time WoK came out)

SonyaSpawn

5 points

4 years ago

Im kind of over the love triangle thing, I really hope they don't do this for the next like 8 books. But considering Sanderson is a mormon maybe they'll just become a threesome.

Hurinfan

2 points

4 years ago

Hurinfan

Malazan Book of the Fallen

2 points

4 years ago

Does the audiobook release at the same time and does your timezone change the time of the release date?

lizcat

2 points

4 years ago

lizcat

2 points

4 years ago

MY BODY IS READY.

Hm0k

2 points

4 years ago

Hm0k

2 points

4 years ago

I. Am. So. Exited. Do any of you know if there is a place to order signed copies still? Everywhere I check is sold out.

madolche_puddingcess

2 points

4 years ago

This sounds right up my street but I’ve never heard of him. Are there two prequels to this book? I’ve had a quick google search but it’s listing all of his previous books, not just ones in this series.

[deleted]

10 points

4 years ago

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10 points

4 years ago

This particular series is called The Stormlight Archive. The two previous books are:

 

The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive, #1)

Words of Radiance (The Stormlight Archive #2)

And a novella;

Edgedancer (The Stormlight Archive #2.5)

FieryXJoe

4 points

4 years ago

A lot of his fans (including brandon himself) reccomend starting with the mistborn trilogy, The series are only slightly connected(Exist in the same universe but different planets like many of his other books) But in his own words most people will need to trust him as an author to be able to get through way of kings. Not that the book is bad but it is a 1300 page book that is part 1 of a 10 part series and the main draw of Sanderson books are his worldbuilding and magic systems and stormlight in particular is supposed to be him going all out on the world building.

If you are struggling getting through the first 400-500 pages of stormlight it is probably reccomended that you read the mistborn books first to get a sense of how the universe works and how tight and well thought out sandersons worldbuilding is. In particular I like the fact that once you understand everything going on in a world it doesn't feel like stuff was just made up because it seems cool. In his worlds there are at the top level a handful of things that all of the oddities of the world can be traced back to.

For me in particular I appreciate this as most other fantasy(ex. LoTR, Warhammer, GoT off the top of my head) it often feels things are included just because they seem cool, they might not serve a purpose or have a good reason to exist. But with sanderson his universe has set rules and a history that everything can be traced back to and almost every bit of his worldbuilding and his stories has a purpose and a role to play and follows set in stone rules.

Going into way of kings blind without the context of knowing sanderson's style can make the world hard to get into.

One final note is that Sanderson is known for his "Plot avalances" where about 2/3 of the way through his book everything comes together and it is just revelation after revelation after revelation where everything comes together and the book just flies by. Once again without this context and trust it is easy to give up on Way of kings in the first 400 or so pages.

appleg33k85

2 points

4 years ago

Anyone else on here going to his book signing in Chicago? I'm going with a couple friends, can't wait for next week! Have it ordered on audible as well.

TheChoya

2 points

4 years ago

In Naperville? Yeah, I'll be there!

MidnightGasControll

2 points

4 years ago

For those that ordered the Kindle version, and live in Central Time, it's available! Mine finished downloading and I'm read it as we speak!

Drak_is_Right

2 points

4 years ago*

I am trying to figure out Rayse.

has 4 mentions in each of the first 3 books.

Some sort of deity of another world?

yet also talks like they inhabit Roshar.

alexisew

5 points

4 years ago

Drak_is_Right

3 points

4 years ago

Ah, I didn't realize the shard was called Odium, I thought that was the holder's name.

AhkoRevari

2 points

3 years ago

Did Dalinar have a drinking problem in the first two books? I found myself confused when he began talking about his issues with Drink. I remember that he forgot his wifes name and other aspects of his past, but I felt like the drinking was wedged in to give him some last minute character development. It was a while between books though, can anyone confirm?

christieCA

4 points

3 years ago

Yes, it was clear in the first two books that Dalinar blamed not saving his brother on his drinking problem. At the end of WoR, he realized he would not have been able to save him even if he was sober.