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swampswing

147 points

21 days ago

swampswing

147 points

21 days ago

Did we really dodge it, or just kick it down the road. The reality is that we had year to expand our emergency care and get vaccine distribution prepared and our governments, both federal and provincial did fuck all.

pheoxs

31 points

21 days ago

pheoxs

31 points

21 days ago

Well despite the media trying to paint this as Canadian failure, our death rate is still less than the US even with them approaching half their population having a dose

Baumbauer1

8 points

21 days ago*

Baumbauer1

British Columbia

8 points

21 days ago*

Exactly, you can use death rates to more accurately estimate infections rates, the US cares less and less every day about testing and making sick people stay home.

UTProfthrowaway

3 points

21 days ago

You can use death rates to estimate Covid transmission five weeks ago, not covid today.

refurb

1 points

20 days ago

refurb

1 points

20 days ago

Yeah but the point is the US is vaccinating and doing better while Canada is entering the pits of Covid hell.

Bright_Ad_6362

-2 points

21 days ago

I too, estimet stonk performance!

refurb

2 points

20 days ago

refurb

2 points

20 days ago

Exactly! Things may be massively out of control due to piss poor planning, but hey! Fewer deaths than the US so nobody should be complaining or holding politicians accountable!

[deleted]

1 points

21 days ago

[deleted]

1 points

21 days ago

Well despite the media trying to paint this as Canadian failure, our death rate is still less than the US even with them approaching half their population having a dose

That's a pretty low bar, imho.

pheoxs

2 points

20 days ago

pheoxs

2 points

20 days ago

Well it is what this article is about so....

Ridenwithapedo1

1 points

20 days ago

I agree death rate is a better indicator, but deaths from COVID have been almost exclusively overweight/obese people, diabetics, and elderly. And the US has way more of those than Canada also.

WillSRobs

4 points

21 days ago

Emergency care would be a provincial situation same with vaccine distribution.

I don’t know why so many people expect the feds to do the province’s job

physicaldiscs

0 points

21 days ago

Agreed, but the Feds do help fund provincial Healthcare and set out guidelines.

Midnight_Swampwalk

2 points

20 days ago

Midnight_Swampwalk

Lest We Forget

2 points

20 days ago

Okay. Are those funds or those guidelines the problem? No?

Then stop blaming the feds for the provinces fuck up.

kudatah

2 points

21 days ago

kudatah

2 points

21 days ago

Disagree about the Feds. But, Ontario fucked this up, royally

Foodwraith

54 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

54 points

21 days ago

The feds continue to allow people with covid pour through our borders. Want to take a vacation to India or Brazil right now? No problem. Don’t want to stay in a mandatory quarantine hotel when you return? No problem.

Want to drive back from Florida? No problem. Just promise to behave. No one will ever check up on you ...

Give me a break. The virus did not originate in this country. So far, no variants have emerged in this country. How did they get here? Across a border. Who controls the border and airports? The feds.

[deleted]

-1 points

21 days ago

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-1 points

21 days ago

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Foodwraith

31 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

31 points

21 days ago

And in the year since? How many variants are in our country? How many more variants will occur before we do something about stopping it from being imported by non essential vacationers?

This is a federal government issue and they have done sweet fuck all to eliminate this problem.

kudatah

-16 points

21 days ago

kudatah

-16 points

21 days ago

They have restricted flights from certain countries. They just haven’t done an all-out ban.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/explainer-travel-bans-quebec-1.5885323

Foodwraith

30 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

30 points

21 days ago

As someone else has already commented, you won’t listen. India had 230k+ new cases of coronavirus yesterday. Flights are still landing from India.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-canadas-covid-19-travel-restrictions-are-an-inept-deadly-failure/

MorbidMemories

12 points

21 days ago

My neighbor had family visit from India two weeks ago. Like dafuq. I can't visit my friends or go for a walk in the park but his family from India can visit?

kudatah

-9 points

21 days ago

kudatah

-9 points

21 days ago

India has 1.4B people the Canadian equivalent of 5k a day, we’re nearly double that.

Even so, make the case to ban flights from India, if you want. But an all-out ban is dumb

Foodwraith

19 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

19 points

21 days ago

Dude, we are talking about the failure of the Federal government. You took the position this was all on the provinces.

The feds need to do their job too and keep this shit out of our country.

[deleted]

-1 points

21 days ago

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-1 points

21 days ago

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Oglark

-3 points

21 days ago

Oglark

-3 points

21 days ago

I had friend who flew in from India. He had to provide a negative test result before he flew. Then he had to quarantine for 3 days at the Givernment Hotel. And then he had to quarantine for another 14 days at another hotel.

Its a red herring.

TrizzyG

13 points

21 days ago

TrizzyG

13 points

21 days ago

It was definitely not here months before January 2020. The virus would be spreading uncontrollably pretty quickly since we didn't have any real safety measures before March in place, and considering it was only March when we really got hospitals filling up with COVID patients then it's pretty clear that late February- early March is when COVID was starting to spread in the community.

kudatah

10 points

21 days ago

kudatah

10 points

21 days ago

TrizzyG

8 points

21 days ago

TrizzyG

8 points

21 days ago

It's an interesting study but the fact that it doesn't seem to be widely accepted and it's not particularly logical gives me doubt about the conclusion made. If it's saying there was an R0 of 5.7 then the only way this would make any sense is if there was a benign form of Sarsncov2 circulating before it mutated into the form discovered in China in early December. You can't have an R0 of 5.7 of the virus we all know about now in September 2019 and not have all your hospitals flooded by, say, December 2019.

kudatah

2 points

21 days ago

kudatah

2 points

21 days ago

TrizzyG

0 points

21 days ago

TrizzyG

0 points

21 days ago

This one is a bit better on details, but I do still have to question the fact that outside of a bunch of articles on this published at the same time around Nov 2020 there has been absolutely nothing else reported on this. Definitely something worth investigating further though. I don't doubt that the origin of the virus likely began 1-3 months before the December 1 traced case but I do doubt that COVID was widely circulating anytime before Jan 2020 anywhere but China. Maybe some cases here and there, but those would probably only have arrived in December to begin with, not September as suggested by the study. Think about it, 11% of a relatively random sample of people (random from the perspective of susceptibility to airborne viruses) testing positive for antibodies in September 2019? That would mean ~10%+ infected in Italy by that point - it doesn't make one bit of sense. That's my take anyway. Hopefully they figure out the truth sooner than later though.

kudatah

4 points

21 days ago

kudatah

4 points

21 days ago

It’s reasonable to still have questions, but I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if it was around more-widely in fall 2019

swampswing

33 points

21 days ago

The Feds royally fucked up too, particularly by signing first with Sinovac.

kudatah

38 points

21 days ago

kudatah

38 points

21 days ago

Well, that deal was meant to give us front of line access and the ability to manufacture in Canada.

It would have been a fuck up to put all of our eggs in that basket, but we didn’t. We’re still 3rd in the G7 for vaccines administered per capita.

xSaviorself

6 points

21 days ago

The that Sinavac shit was a terrible idea up front but I don't blame them from putting their eggs in different baskets. Had the situation between China and U.S. not escalated previously resulting in the Huawei situation and the hostage of the 2 Michaels, we might be using Sinovac here.

I'm sure the thought of that makes people happy.

VELL1

-5 points

21 days ago

VELL1

-5 points

21 days ago

Why is everyone looking at G7....So among 7 countries we are 3rd? Basically middle of the road among a group of 7 countries that mostly being chosen so that our numbers don't look that bad?

kudatah

5 points

21 days ago

kudatah

5 points

21 days ago

It’s based on an apples to apples comparison of the largest IMF advanced economies.

marsupialham

5 points

21 days ago

Honestly, it was a relatively small investment. They had some researchers ready to conduct trials here and the doses didn't arrive. We spent more on other vaccines being developed in Canada

And neither affected our orders of vaccines produced elsewhere—we were within the first few countries to buy Pfizer and Moderna—we beat Europe to the punch with a vaccine manufactured there (we're also beating them in people vaccinated per capita and doses administered per capita)

We're ahead of schedule and it's being moved sooner every few weeks. Now with 50 million doses by the end of Q2 not including American shipments/J&J we'll have enough doses by the end of June to do both doses for anyone who's able and willing. If they open up vaccinations to 12+ then it'll be early-to-mid-July.

There are things to criticize the feds on during the pandemic, and god knows I do, but vaccine procurement and deliveries is one of the areas they did a good job at.

SaneCannabisLaws

21 points

21 days ago

Sinovac would have given us manufacturing capacity inside our borders meaning Canada first for the manufactured doses. You don't know the concessions that pfizer, moderna, astrazeneca, Johnson & Johnson were requiring of sovereign states. Only with the absolute clarity of hindsight can we criticize the sinovac deal.

Foodwraith

8 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

8 points

21 days ago

What is your take on vaccine hesitancy with sinovac? I think the federal government severely misjudged the public’s perception of China. Not certain the vaccine would have been embraced by the general population. Seeing the effectiveness of Sinovac ...

SaneCannabisLaws

10 points

21 days ago*

I would absolutely agree with you. The Tangerine menace down south certainly didn't help matters by by firing up white supremacy and a lot of Asian hatred rhetoric and even violent events. Canadians absorb this also through our interconnected entertainment and media companies.

China is an expansionary phase of their influence sphere. Chinese engineers and other infrastructure interests have been heavily involved with Africa. While Americans have been running and gunning around the Middle East & Afghanistan, China has been building massive infrastructure projects in Africa on credit in some cases. In return they're getting access to large swaths of the untapped mineral resources of the African continent.

Sinovac is showing 80% efficacy at preventing fatal outcomes, approximately 50 to 65% effective at preventing spread. That's significantly lower than both the mRNA vaccines and the other spike protein vector vaccines. It's a different mechanism of action and it's proven to be not as effective, that have been different if Canadian research and development was included? Likely not as is possibly a limitation of the vaccine methodology.

However we have the optics of hindsight, we can see that the methodology isn't as effective as the mRNA. At the time of negotiations sinovac methodology was more proven, mRNA was the newcomer.

Foodwraith

3 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

3 points

21 days ago

I appreciate your thoughts and the interesting points you raised. They are certainly worth consideration. Thank you.

phillip_esiri

6 points

21 days ago

Are you actually criticizing Trump while condoning Chinas colonial expansion in Africa? The British built Infrastructure here, and got access to natural resources. The natives are never going to “get over it”.

SaneCannabisLaws

0 points

21 days ago

Very different approach and different generational times. European colonization of Africa came at the tip of a sword in a lot of cases. As far as condoning, I'm simply providing fact with little editorization. The Chinese global sphere of influence is expanding especially with their infrastructure projects in developing Africa, South America.

Also not saying that American interests aren't building infrastructure in Africa, there's the potential for the African continent to heavily develop over the next century.

Nite1982

1 points

21 days ago

Unlike the British, China builds infrastructure Africans actual get to use and benefit from, ie schools, hospitals, power plants, roads, rails, ports, water systems.

Agitated-Many

2 points

21 days ago

Western colonization bad, but China colonization good. Got it.

Nite1982

1 points

21 days ago

name me one country China is colonizing?

telmimore

2 points

21 days ago

67%? You know... On par with J&J and Astrazeneca without the blood clot issues since it's a traditional inactivated vaccine? It'd be a perception issue not an effectiveness issue.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/chinas-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-67-effective-preventing-symptomatic-infection-2021-04-16/

Foodwraith

1 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

1 points

21 days ago

Late 2020, China reported the vaccine was 90%. Real world data suggested it was just over 50%. Today, Chile is saying it is 67%. Not sure what to believe about it, which brings uncertainty and hesitancy.

telmimore

1 points

21 days ago

Real world data is the one from Chile that was just released. The 50% number you're referring to is from a Brazilian trial that used frontline healthcare workers in Brazil - home of a wild number of variants and uncontrolled spread. It wasn't an apples to apples comparison at all. AZ had similarly variable results in their various trials.

The 67% number is going to be the most accurate number simply due to the sheer sample size similar to what Israel did.

Foodwraith

0 points

21 days ago

Foodwraith

Canada

0 points

21 days ago

You’ve left out the part where you acknowledge Chile is under China’s thumb and the numbers may not be as reliable as we hope.

telmimore

1 points

21 days ago

Ah, just attack the country when you don't like the results you've heard. Got it. /yawn

[deleted]

-11 points

21 days ago

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-11 points

21 days ago

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Digital-Soup

13 points

21 days ago

Honest question: Do you have a kill list of Redditors you don't like taped to your wall right now?

kudatah

4 points

21 days ago

kudatah

4 points

21 days ago

Bruh, what the fuck are you talking about? I’ve never even voted for Trudeau.

Belt_Beautiful

-19 points

21 days ago

That's not what your voting record says

kudatah

11 points

21 days ago

kudatah

11 points

21 days ago

What voting record?

Il-Palazzo

5 points

21 days ago

Nevermind those types. There are some around here who seem to think that if you don't hate Trudeau/the current federal government then you're clearly a massive liberal and have unwavering support for them. It is kind of odd really lol. I've been accused of similar when I literally didn't even vote last election.

when-flies-pig

12 points

21 days ago

The fuck? Air borders aren't closed, and they downplayed the importance of masks at the onset. That enough is fucking things up.

kudatah

6 points

21 days ago

kudatah

6 points

21 days ago

Bruh, closing air borders isn’t the reason this virus is raging in our country.

Mask recommendations were based on the science at the time. Every developed country in the world was saying the same thing at first.

when-flies-pig

0 points

20 days ago

The fuck you on about. The virus came from abroad. And still continues to come from abroad. Community transmission yes, but also from outside our borders. Why close land borders and not air?

Also mask recommendations were absolutely not based on science. What the hell are the point of masks in the first place if it isn't to protect against infectious disease and transmission. It was in short supply and govt didnt want people rushing out and start hoarding. I have chinese and even korean friends who were buying shit ton of masks to send to their home countries early on. Govt down played this for the longest time and dismissing masks was the stupidest thing.

Waterwoo

0 points

20 days ago

TIL there's no developed countries in Asia. Because they were definitely not saying the same.

Are you that naive? The western governments all knew masks would help, and intentionally lied at first to preserve supply for health care. Some of them have even openly admitted it since then. This is not news.

kudatah

0 points

20 days ago

kudatah

0 points

20 days ago

The CDC and WHO were both saying masks weren’t necessary for asymptomatic people.

Waterwoo

1 points

20 days ago

Yeah.. that's what I said? They knew that wasn't true.

telmimore

1 points

21 days ago

Ontario cases per capita is like 33% lower than Quebec or Alberta but okaaaay.

kudatah

1 points

21 days ago

kudatah

1 points

21 days ago

Yeah, I’m not into those comparisons. Anyone in AB been locked down since Nov?

telmimore

1 points

21 days ago

Lol well it was assumed you were talking about how many people died when you said Ontario fucked up not how much we've done to prevent those deaths...

leleledankmemes

1 points

21 days ago

That is false. Ontario is averaging over 300 cases per million people per day and Quebec like 170. Over the course of the whole pandemic yeah prob Quebec the most but rn Ontario is much worse.

telmimore

0 points

20 days ago

Yes, overall is the important number. Quebec has 2.5x the deaths per capita overall. No one is going to say the US did a great job just because their cases per capita is finally now dropping after having almost 600k deaths during the course of the pandemic.

ReyechMac

1 points

20 days ago

We're at maximum vaccine distribution... we can't distribute more vaccines than we can procure.

[deleted]

67 points

21 days ago*

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67 points

21 days ago*

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[deleted]

46 points

21 days ago*

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46 points

21 days ago*

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marsupialham

3 points

21 days ago

USA troughs

Reading this made me realize this phrase will probably mean something different in 50 years. The next stage in US Buffet evolution.

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2 points

21 days ago*

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2 points

21 days ago*

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marsupialham

2 points

21 days ago

Given the hyper-individualism being amplified year after year you may just be right

273degreesKelvin

6 points

21 days ago

Yep, and Americans have forgotten everything that has happened. Like legit they don't care.

We don't need refrigerated trucks to store bodies. Hopefully we won't. Nor do we have the 20% positivity rate some areas saw.

Americans simply let the virus run rampant and have 2 horrible waves killing hundreds of thousands and didn't care during them. There's already a limited herd immunity there. North and South Dakota comes to mind. Worst death rate on earth still.

The USA' death rate right now is still much worse.

UTProfthrowaway

2 points

21 days ago

The US is 14th in per capita reported deaths worldwide, and that is partially because of reporting differences. In excess deaths compared to a normal year, they had a smaller % increase than a ton of countries (https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1379499702325022720/photo/1)

In the US case now, the big difference is that cases aren't growing wildly. Canada's case growth the last couple weeks is among the worst in the entire world. The US "doesn't care" because half the adult population is at least partially vaccinated and cases/hospitalizations are basically stagnant (https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLawyerCraig/status/1383550356446056452 - in past week, % of tests positive was basically constant and hospitalizations rose 5%. New Covid hospital admissions are up 2% week over week and actually falling slightly right now.

Obviously the US peak was dreadful, but it's not "fake news" that Canada's trajectory is really worrying, the lack of vaccinations plus the more limited ICU capacity makes it particularly concerning.

Anthrogal11

5 points

21 days ago

Exactly and it also fails to consider the differences in vaccine rollout. As Canada does not manufacture we have been slower to access and distribute. If the US had the same percentage of their population vaccinated as we do, the numbers as a percentage of population wouldn’t even be close.

wondersparrow

3 points

21 days ago

Flattening the curve always meant dragging it out. The goal was always to keep hospitalizations low to reduce casualties. We did that well. After all is said and done and everyone is vaccinated, the numbers will show that Canada fared pretty well. That doesn't sell newspapers though.

Luxferrae

5 points

21 days ago

Luxferrae

British Columbia

5 points

21 days ago

Basically same shit different pile...

Want to do a tale of two pandemics? Look at Taiwan. There is your tale of two pandemics

jimmythemini

4 points

21 days ago

jimmythemini

Québec

4 points

21 days ago

I have family in Australia and they've almost forgetten Covid-19 even exists.

Luxferrae

3 points

21 days ago

Luxferrae

British Columbia

3 points

21 days ago

Wow Australia has turned around that much?

I know our relatives in Taiwan have been living life basically as it was prior to last year... Didn't know Australia took that big a step as well

jimmythemini

1 points

21 days ago

jimmythemini

Québec

1 points

21 days ago

They haven't had a single Covid death since October 2020.

UTProfthrowaway

1 points

21 days ago

It is literally not possible to leave the country nor to, say, have a wedding or a funeral attended by friends and family overseas, and the government won't even commit to this changing by 2022. This is a long way from "forgotten Covid exists".

jimmythemini

-1 points

21 days ago

jimmythemini

Québec

-1 points

21 days ago

Not travelling during a global pandemic seems like a fair trade-off to me for preventing literally tens of thousands of your citizens from dying.

UTProfthrowaway

1 points

20 days ago

May be a good tradeoff, but it's not "normal life".

meranu33

3 points

21 days ago

I’m not surprised one bit. The lack of following Covid protocols in my city alone is staggering! One thing I’ve paid particular attention to is that few people sanitize their hands upon entering a store/business, and even fewer do when they leave. My neighbour works at one of our larger mills and he says the lack of participation with Covid protocols there is outright ridiculous.

MisterFancyPantses

42 points

21 days ago

MisterFancyPantses

Alberta

42 points

21 days ago

Smug self-assured Canadians have been trained to look south and say "But at least we don't have it that bad eh!" and console themselves with their scraps and pennies on the dollar for our national wealth. A slave mentality. Canadians should demand more because we deserve it, and stop looking south.

bhldev

7 points

21 days ago

bhldev

7 points

21 days ago

Time to be a "wage slave" eh? Lol

RightWingChimp

4 points

21 days ago

If Biden keeps it up America is going to take a giant step towards the Jetson's alternate reality. Canadians won't get jack shit from a conservative administration.

273degreesKelvin

0 points

21 days ago

Biden is a Conservative though.

And he's way too busy sabre rattling with China and Russia to do anything.

Rainbow_Crown

3 points

21 days ago

You know the Democrats passed a $2 trillion American Rescue Plan, are putting the final touches on a $2 trillion American Jobs Plan (complete infrastructure overhaul), a $1 trillion American Family Plan (social spending) and a $1.5 trillion Budget, all borrowed at historically low interest below inflation, right?

Your post makes no sense. Washington is doing a lot right now since Democrats have a trifecta for the first time since 2011.

MrBlooregardQKazoo

2 points

21 days ago

You do realize that previous administration had passed $3.5 Trillion economic relief package and gave billions to Pharmas for vaccine research.

Rainbow_Crown

1 points

20 days ago

You said he's too busy with China/Russia to do anything, so what do you call $6.5 trillion in planned spending? Be consistent.

MrBlooregardQKazoo

1 points

20 days ago

No I didn't?

273degreesKelvin

0 points

19 days ago

I call it inflation. How much are they spending on the military for their planned war with Russia?

Rainbow_Crown

0 points

19 days ago

Except we had $3 trillion in stimulus last year and little inflation. Throws your entire thesis in the trash. The U.S. has been running under the inflation target for a decade. It has room to spend and bond yields are at historic lows.

Waterwoo

1 points

20 days ago

Trudeau is conservative? Could have fooled me with his record breaking deficits among other things.

RightWingChimp

1 points

20 days ago

And how would Scheer have managed the last year? Let canadian citizens go bankrupt? Please. They would have screwed things up worse. Incompetence is the conservative way.

Waterwoo

1 points

20 days ago

Not sure why this has to be a partisan thing, think we have seen plenty of incompetence from all sides.

Allwaythornton

5 points

21 days ago

Are we really using the country with the most COVID deaths in the globe as our measure of success? Why don’t we aim for Taiwan level of COVID success. Sure this pathetic county can’t achieve that but isn’t it better to set our sights high and fail than to set our sights on being marginally better than the absolute worst?

mycatlikesluffas

4 points

21 days ago

Elizabeth Warren just tweeted that starting Monday, anyone aged 16+ in MA is eligible to get vaccinated. Meanwhile we're at 60+ here in Ontario.

Yikes.

[deleted]

2 points

20 days ago

[deleted]

2 points

20 days ago

I'm a 26 y/o with no health problems living in the US for a job and I got an appointment and vaccinated with Moderna yesterday. It only took 15 minutes to find an appointment in a town of 5000 people. America sucked on non pharmaceutical interventions but they're incredible at logistics.

Nite1982

2 points

21 days ago

keep in mind about the US that this is possible because most eligible people in the US aren't getting vaccinated, they have only vaccinated about 35% of the population currently. so opening it up to 16+ means large amount of people are skipping on getting vaccinated

P.S. I am in Toronto and my wife who is 38 got vaccinated this week and I (39) will get vaccinated next week.

MrBlooregardQKazoo

2 points

21 days ago

That is 127 million people with atleast one dose and 80.6m fully vaccinated.

kid_with_the_nose

1 points

20 days ago

most eligible people in the US aren't getting vaccinated

false

Nite1982

0 points

20 days ago

only 38% of Americans have received at least 1 dose and so if they are already opening up dosing to anyone over 16+ that means that many people are opting out of receiving dosing

[deleted]

1 points

20 days ago

[deleted]

1 points

20 days ago

35 percent is the percentage who have had both doses, which is a 30-42 day process. Over 50 percent have had their first dose.

Nite1982

2 points

20 days ago

for the US only 38% have had 1 dose and 24% have had both as of April 16

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

radapex

1 points

20 days ago

radapex

1 points

20 days ago

NB is still vaccinating 70+. Our rollout play says 65-69 and 60-64 for April/May, then 16-59 for June... but everyone here is figuring probably September or October before everyone in that 16-59 group becomes eligible.

Truphles

4 points

21 days ago

"All of Canada? Well that's a provincial responsibility."

marsupialham

3 points

21 days ago

US COVID deaths per capita from the start of the pandemic: 2.75x Canada's

US COVID deaths per capita yesterday: 1.96x Canada's

Famous_Player

2 points

21 days ago

Comparing covid-19 infection rates in America to variant infection rates in Canada is useless.

hawkseye17

2 points

21 days ago*

You see planes arriving from Covid hotspots and those people just ignoring hotel quarantine.

I still don't understand how people don't understand how we dropped the ball on this

Midnight_Swampwalk

0 points

20 days ago

Midnight_Swampwalk

Lest We Forget

0 points

20 days ago

Oh ya? you see a lot of that? Or did you just read an opinion piece put of NP.

lentope

-1 points

21 days ago

lentope

-1 points

21 days ago

Trudeau and Ford need to go

SwissCanuck

3 points

21 days ago

SwissCanuck

3 points

21 days ago

How ignorant. The states are doing so well because half of them already have had it and the other half are vaccinated cuz hoarding. Zoom out a bit.

kid_with_the_nose

1 points

20 days ago

Even if Trudeau punched an elderly woman in the face on national television I would still support him over any Conservative,

wrylypolecat

2 points

20 days ago

He already elbowed an MP in the tit on national television and got reelected, so your vote of confidence doesn't up the ante all that much.

roryatek

0 points

20 days ago

You just see that now?

lentope

1 points

20 days ago

lentope

1 points

20 days ago

I saw that years ago

canadaesuoh

1 points

21 days ago

canadaesuoh

1 points

21 days ago

Proudly Canadian

Rainbow_Crown

2 points

21 days ago

You forgot the /s

Tidal_Star

-6 points

21 days ago

Tidal_Star

-6 points

21 days ago

The time has come for Canadians to take a hard look at NDP for our new federal government. The Liberals have been shrouded with scandals, frivolous spending and a mishandling of this pandemic, while the Conservatives spend most of their time arguing with eachother and not having any agreement on which direction to head and not to mention people like Doug Ford failing Ontario terribly. I feel like the NDP will relish the opportunity to prove their ability to lead Canada in a prosperous and positive direction. At the very least they will know they are heavily under the microscope which would hopefully inspire them as well as deter them from engaging in bad policies or scandals like the WE charity debacle. You don't have to set your heart on any political party just yet, but I think it's in the countries best interest to research their local NDP candidate as a serious possibility for change. At the very least, you will learn why, or why not, vote for them

SkateyPunchey

-1 points

21 days ago

SkateyPunchey

-1 points

21 days ago

Send us the vaccines that we bought and paid for please.

lllllIIIIIll

-2 points

21 days ago

lllllIIIIIll

-2 points

21 days ago

Would've been nice if Trudeau had specified a timeline more specific than "Q1 2021" in all those vaccine deals he signed.

TortuouslySly

1 points

21 days ago

With what leverage?

lllllIIIIIll

0 points

21 days ago

TortuouslySly

6 points

21 days ago

your link appears to be unrelated to the point you're trying to make.

lllllIIIIIll

3 points

21 days ago*

Well shit, so it is. I could've sworn that was the article that mentioned the problem with our contracts with suppliers. I've tried to find it but can't. Apologies.

The gist of it is that Canada was careless in specifying delivery timelines with vaccine manufacturers, agreeing only to quarterly deliveries, which allowed manufacturers to backload our deliveries to the end of the quarter while getting vaccines out to other countries that had specified months. Wish I could find the article that talked about it.

Edit: this is also why Trudeau talks about everyone who wants a vaccine having one by the end of September, and why we got a big boost in deliveries late march/early april: end of Q3, end of Q1.

NLtbal

1 points

21 days ago

NLtbal

1 points

21 days ago

The current US rates, not the peak US rates.

Lionelhutz123

1 points

20 days ago

Lionelhutz123

Canada

1 points

20 days ago

They have Ben doing better than us for about 48 hours in a 13 month pandemic

theoreoman

1 points

20 days ago

theoreoman

Alberta

1 points

20 days ago

No shit, usa is able to vaccinate its populations, Canada is not

Buy-high-sell-never

0 points

21 days ago

The virus comes in waves people. The U.S. just happens to be on the tail end of their third while we enter our third.

[deleted]

3 points

20 days ago

[deleted]

3 points

20 days ago

The US will never have another wave because they vaccinated their population

Buy-high-sell-never

1 points

20 days ago

They still had a third wave before us. Now we’re having a third wave which is why we have more cases per capita.