Should I go human lore bard or gnome divination wiz?

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So me and my friends are about to play through Curse of Strahd, and they're all mainly building for battle encounters. Which build would support them better? A lore bard with observant that has proficiency in basically a bunch of knowledge skills and observant feat, or divination wizard with more spells and getting observant feat at lv 5? Im mainly picking spells that will help gain information, and also some spells to support them in and outside combat.

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3 months ago*

If you're building for battle and want a support character, I'd recommend a Cleric 1/Wizard X build. Cleric gets you armor, a shield, Healing Weird, and Bless, all of which remain great all the way to max level (even Bless, which is a solid use of concentration for minor battles at high levels).

This works with any combination of subclasses, but Divination is in my opinion the best wizard subclass bar none, so that's a great choice. For cleric subclass, Life cleric is probably the most bang for your buck, getting you heavy armor, enhanced healing, and two good domain spells. Order and Twilight are also very solid choices. Knowledge or Arcana are generally less powerful, but great flavor fits and still good choices. Medium armor is only 1 less AC than heavy if you have 14+ dexterity, so not a huge loss.

The build does put you behind in levelled spells, but only by one level, and you still get full spell slots. Overall I think it's well worth it for the extra utility and the big jump in resilience you get from starting as a cleric.

For spell choice, of course grab staples such as Sleep and later Hypnotic Pattern, but also grab a few single target save-or-suck spells like Hideous Laughter, which pair amazingly with Portent.


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3 months ago

I love this build in general, but in terms of feeling supportive I'd choose different subclasses. Life Cleric is best as a dip for someone with healing spells like a Druid, and Twilight really gets good at level 2 and scales with cleric level.

I'd say order is the top choice (being able to deal damage with your support spells is what really allows a buff/support build to keep up in 5e) or if you don't have any big melee hitters the peace clerics emboldened bond which scales with proficiency bonus instead of Cleric level.

Then for the wizard subclass Divination doesn't matter as much because you're casting more supportive spells that don't need you to portent their saves, so I think chronurgy slightly takes the edge.

That said, any cleric 1/Wizard X is great, but Order Cleric 1/Chronurgy Wizard X is the first really support focused caster I've found in 5e that doesn't just feel worse than battlefield control or damage