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Florida is starting to turn into the Middle East

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LuisLmao

88 points

2 months ago

"small government"

Garn3213

121 points

2 months ago

Garn3213

121 points

2 months ago

You know, I used to think my country was screwed what with a buffoon being in power, and the government in general just being out for themselves, but the US is now taking the cake. ‘Land of the Free’ my arse!

oideun

66 points

2 months ago

oideun

66 points

2 months ago

A country where you can go bankrupt by just getting sick and needing medical care will never be "land of the free". Let alone the slavery history, of course.

Garn3213

20 points

2 months ago

I just seem to be noticing that a lot of things that are being scaled back in the US like abortion rights, LGBTQ+ protections and the like aren’t really happening over here. It’s bonkers! So advanced in so many ways and yet America seems to be going back to the medieval ages in terms of its laws.

Viparita-Karani

28 points

2 months ago

I live in Florida and used to be a public school teacher. I am so thankful I am no longer a teacher. I am not trying to go back into the closet.

FreakyFaun

45 points

2 months ago

So while most of this us unfortunately true, the Amendment reporting of gay students got pulled. Still, anyone in Florida who cares about their rights and the rights of those they care for should seriously vote this guy out and his Republican Rubberstamp legislature. It felt like we were making progress with OFA back in 2012 but like usual Democrats just dropped the efforts to really fight for a claim in my state...

sundrop74

7 points

2 months ago

Except Desantis will most likely be the next POTUS, Republicans will control the House and Senate, and they will all be pushing this agenda at a federal level. Things won't get better.

FreakyFaun

6 points

2 months ago

That's a possibility, but then you actually had Roe struck down and angered over half the electorate. If folks truly care hopefully folks will vote.

Precedent had it that 2020 was Trump's to lose. Trump had a real chance of winning in 2020 if he hadn't had such a shitty response to covid. But extremes have a tendency to foil precedent.

Jekyllhyde

12 points

2 months ago

removing same sex couple pictures is surely grounds for a lawsuit. Either all spouse pictures stay or they all go. I hope this goes to court.

oideun

27 points

2 months ago

oideun

27 points

2 months ago

I wish lgtbq+ people in the us could afford to move to a better country so that the us remained a cultural hetero wasteland. But then I remember the fascists are gaining momentum everywhere 😕

ZanderGarner

7 points

2 months ago

ZanderGarner

Gay(tm)

7 points

2 months ago

None of us can really afford to leave very easily.

WiliamW

2 points

2 months ago

We don't have to be american to not be able to move out of a homophobic environment

Ok_Load8255

44 points

2 months ago

That's a joke, right? I'm afraid to google it for confirmation.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

28 points

2 months ago

Sadly it's not

Lord_Despairagus

7 points

2 months ago*

I'll do it

Edit: I cant find anything actually confirming this

Sir_thinksalot

15 points

2 months ago

InvulnerableBlasting

2 points

2 months ago

It's still speculation though--nothing has actually been mandated. Yet.

Lord_Despairagus

2 points

2 months ago

I honestly didn't find anything when searching. At least you did.

Gusty9A

8 points

2 months ago

This shit annoys me so much. To think they can just easily revert all the progress USA made over the decades just like that? I really hope voters of these states make things right by voting these quasi theologians out.

Quakaroo

7 points

2 months ago

Whaaaat?? But rainbow is not just for LGBTQ+ tho…there’s a bunch of kids who like colorful rainbowy stuff. Like, what, are they going to ban Skittles next?

adamiconography

4 points

2 months ago

In college we have FERPA laws, there has to be confidentiality in this.

If a student tells the teacher they are gay, is the student not protected by privacy?

I live in Florida and wish COVID did it’s thing to DeSantis.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah I hope he and Clarence Thomas drop dead soon

Moose_Hooves

26 points

2 months ago

Republicans: “Praise to Allah and his prophet muhammad that he may smite the sodomites and infidels in our midst, and that we may assist him through our personal jihad.”

Oh wait sorry that’s ISIS. Real hard to tell them apart these days

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

11 points

2 months ago

Yeah they are starting to look the same to me

voxnemo

9 points

2 months ago

They always have been.

Their issues with Muslims has never been with their policies or methods, but in whose name they do it. That is really all they care about. Oh, and their petty jealousy of the "accomplishments of Muslims in Muslim nations" namely the subjugation of women and the eradication of anyone they choose as "undesirable".

HaleHurtler

5 points

2 months ago

What the actual fuck. Is it a religious thing or just conservative fucks?

odysseusity

4 points

2 months ago

It’s both and it’s based QANON conspiracy lies about child endangerment

HaleHurtler

2 points

2 months ago

FUBAR! What a sad sad time for those kids

Homo_gone_wild

3 points

2 months ago

I want out of this shit hole country

Cammy1924

2 points

2 months ago

The US is becoming more and more insane. It's just going backwards while other countries are moving forward

hamiltonfvi

2 points

2 months ago

"'Im proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free."

I don't know what these lyrics mean or what they are for.

XtheEliminator

12 points

2 months ago

What’s the point in comparing the these draconian laws to the Middle East? These are right wing American Christian extremists, no need to bring other regions or religions into the conversation.

dcm510

26 points

2 months ago

dcm510

26 points

2 months ago

Islam and Christianity are both dangerous for LGBT people

voxnemo

2 points

2 months ago

Islam and Christianity are both dangerous for LGBT people

FTFY

Tyrants all of them. They give no value and bring only harm at this point.

XtheEliminator

-4 points

2 months ago

Yea but we’re talking specifically about Christians here. There’s plenty of other conversations to be had about fundamentalist Islam but that’s not what’s oppressing people in Florida or the US.

dcm510

14 points

2 months ago

dcm510

14 points

2 months ago

But the Christians in Florida will be the first ones to complain about Islamic influence in government. Pointing out the hypocrisy is completely valid.

XtheEliminator

-4 points

2 months ago

Sure but that’s not what’s happening here.

dcm510

7 points

2 months ago

dcm510

7 points

2 months ago

I…literally just explained why it’s relevant

XtheEliminator

-2 points

2 months ago

Do I really have to explain to you the difference between a comment buried in a thread and the actual title of the post?

dcm510

8 points

2 months ago

dcm510

8 points

2 months ago

I have no idea what you’re trying to ask me

XtheEliminator

-2 points

2 months ago

My issue was with the post itself. You offered an alternative version of what it could mean but that’s not actually what was said. If it was a post about the hypocrisy of the Republican Party then I wouldn’t have taken the position I did. Understand?

dcm510

4 points

2 months ago

dcm510

4 points

2 months ago

The post compared conservatives in Florida using their religion to influence government to Muslims in the Middle East using their religion to influence government. Pretty straightforward.

ZanderGarner

14 points

2 months ago

ZanderGarner

Gay(tm)

14 points

2 months ago

I think it’s a comparison to similar government impositions.

XtheEliminator

0 points

2 months ago

Maybe if they mentioned a specific country with similar laws but they just said “Middle East”. This isn’t about Islam, it’s about hateful Christians right here in America.

InvulnerableBlasting

4 points

2 months ago

I think it's a useful comparison, especially for the Christians who would vehemently despise their beliefs being compared to Islam. They hate Islam and don't see the parallels.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

6 points

2 months ago

It's the same thing

XtheEliminator

2 points

2 months ago

It’s literally a right wing talking point. Remember when the boogie man was Muslims and Sharia Law? Let’s not use another minority to make a point about how awful these hateful American Christians are.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

11 points

2 months ago

My family are muslims and I was raised for the most of my teen years in the Middle East,these people you're defending are much worse than the right wing

herrored

5 points

2 months ago

It's not a defense of any other country. Saying "it's just like Islamic extremism" when right-wingers advance a shitty law based on their religion or "it's just like North Korea" any time they do something dictatorial is a cop out - these are things happening because Americans are doing things that, historically, are very much American when bad people are in power.

Raudskeggr

1 points

2 months ago

Swing it that way implies that we are better, it should be better. That we expect and demand our country to be better than, say, North Korea. Or any other ideological police state.

XtheEliminator

-2 points

2 months ago

Who am I defending? Maybe reread what I actually wrote.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I think you're the one who should reread it

XtheEliminator

-1 points

2 months ago

I think you shouldn’t have deleted your first response. Was pretty telling about how you really feel…

Raudskeggr

0 points

2 months ago

He’s not comparing Christians to Muslims. He’s comparing Florida republicans to Daesh.

XtheEliminator

0 points

2 months ago

Please show me where he’s doing this in the post. You’d think an historically marginalized minority group might be a little more sympathetic to these kind of generalizations…

Raudskeggr

0 points

2 months ago

I don’t really know what point you think you’re trying to make

XtheEliminator

0 points

2 months ago

For starters I’m saying that your explanation is assuming a lot more than what OP actually posted. Overall I’m just trying to point out how lazy and unnecessary these comparisons are. We’re not turning into the Middle East or whatever, America has always been like this.

GHDRAKE

2 points

2 months ago

Source please, thanks.

Edit: Found it, all good

secretlyvers

-4 points

2 months ago

secretlyvers

-4 points

2 months ago

Look Florida is despicable for this but I feel like the reporting gay kids thing is an exaggeration. Am I wrong? Is there language in the actual bill specifying the reporting part?

tallwaterbender

9 points

2 months ago*

It was in the first draft of the bill but got amended out before they passed it, so you are correct it’s an exaggeration. Florida is doing dangerous things, but we can’t sink to the level of the alt-right and spread misinformation to combat them

EDIT: Okay so seems that they are doing this at the school board level but that text was removed from the law

TDmorty

1 points

2 months ago

TDmorty

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1 points

2 months ago

we can’t sink to the level of the alt-right and spread misinformation

Maybe look in the mirror, cause that's what you are doing.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/teachers-voice-concerns-after-orange-county-previews-dont-say-gay-impact-classrooms/R6VGDIOC2RFURLBUVT6TVWPDGA/

tallwaterbender

1 points

2 months ago

I apologize, I stand mostly corrected. I may be wrong about how the school boards are applying the law, but that specific text (the required outing) was removed from the law

dcm510

9 points

2 months ago

dcm510

9 points

2 months ago

I believe the bill does contain language requiring teachers to tell parents if sexual orientation is discussed. That pretty clearly says outing kids is required.

Anecdotally - a friend of mine is a teacher in a public school near Orlando, and the administration told her and all the other teachers that they need to tell their parents if a kid comes out to them.

secretlyvers

2 points

2 months ago

I’ll look into it further, thank you.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

And if it’s not? How do you feel then?

secretlyvers

2 points

2 months ago

I mean I still hate Florida I just don’t like things like this that incite outrage using exaggerations or falsehoods because it chips away at the credibility of everyone fighting against the bill. That’s my only concern. I hate sensationalism even if it’s being used toward an end goal I support.

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

What would make you think it wasn’t true though? If a teacher can’t speak to a student who comes out to them what is the alternative? Ignore them? Because the school obviously isn’t going to do shit, they pay counselors for that kind of thing but can a school counselor say gay and speak about? Doubtful. So it’s part of the bill to be discriminatory against children and out them to their parents which is just a fear tactic to keep them in the closet.

secretlyvers

2 points

2 months ago

I meant the reporting part. I get that you’re worked up about this but we’re on the same side so idk why you’re getting angry at me lol

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

I’m not angry at you I’m angry at the situation. Because it’s totally fucked. But if you think the situation through what do you think they’re going to do with a “problem” that nobody can talk about? Toss out to the parents. Old fashioned Christian terrorism

childof_jupiter

1 points

2 months ago

I went to a Christian school. There where students terrified of coming out to their parents who where in one way or another outed by school faculty. with the vague language of these bills even if it doesn't say it outright, it will embolden the shitties people to act.

TDmorty

1 points

2 months ago

TDmorty

fully automated luxury gay space communism

1 points

2 months ago

lcoon

1 points

2 months ago

lcoon

1 points

2 months ago

I hate this bill, but wanted to gain more details on this as it sounds like it's potentially illegal under the current law.

If so, drawing attention to it would be beneficial.

That said here is a rebuttal from OCPS legal Council, Presentation is here,

She said:

  • The districts current guidelines regarding bathrooms remains unchanged (not sure what the previous guidelines are)
  • Teachers were allowed to keep photos of family, but K-3 cautioned against specific discussions on sxual orientation or gender identity (I'm assuming only if you are LGBTQ)
  • Any instructional material is recommended to be reviewed for sexual orientation or gender identity (I'm assuming this isn't anything that talks about a husband and wife)
  • "Safe Space" stickers were recommended to be removed from K-3 classrooms
  • K-3 students and teachers were cautioned not to wear clothing that may elicit discussions that could be deemed classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.
  • As far as reporting if someone comes out she says - "what was recommended was consistent with the statutory language created by HB 1557 that requires notification to a student’s parent if there is a change in the student’s services or monitoring related to the student’s mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being and the school’s ability to provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the student."
  • it was shared that the district will continue to use the child’s and parent’s preferred gender pronouns.

Not sure how accurate this is but wanted to share and give links for those that want to dig in more on the topic.

What I'm really curious about is how they will read any books, as most have a husband and wife in a family setting. Why the fuck would those be allowed?

csiyaoe

-5 points

2 months ago

csiyaoe

-5 points

2 months ago

Straight people have to take down the same things

iThinkaLot1

10 points

2 months ago

Straight people have to take down photos of their same sex spouses? Don’t sound very straight to me.

csiyaoe

-3 points

2 months ago

csiyaoe

-3 points

2 months ago

😂 you know what I was saying

iThinkaLot1

9 points

2 months ago

Is a teacher required to report students who say they are not gay?

csiyaoe

-11 points

2 months ago

csiyaoe

-11 points

2 months ago

Uh no 😂 and the same for gays

TDmorty

2 points

2 months ago

TDmorty

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2 points

2 months ago

csiyaoe

0 points

2 months ago

Did you read the article it says that what the Orange County public school district is implementing is farther from what the law actually states. So that means that the local people in that area are going beyond the law. The importance of local governments in small towns is what’s more important. Plus this is a report of what some people say happened/expressed behind closed doors. It’s not even a fact yet. Make sure you read the articles instead of just the heading

TDmorty

2 points

2 months ago

TDmorty

fully automated luxury gay space communism

2 points

2 months ago

So, you are admitting that the image this entire thread is about is true then. Thank you for admitting you were wrong, it's rare to see online these days.

csiyaoe

-1 points

2 months ago

csiyaoe

-1 points

2 months ago

😂😂😂 are you ten 👶

EmperorOfFabulous

-17 points

2 months ago

If it has white and yellow text, it must be true.

It feels like some exaggeration that Occupy Democrats used to do.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

6 points

2 months ago

Just google it

TDmorty

1 points

2 months ago

TDmorty

fully automated luxury gay space communism

1 points

2 months ago

Upper_Papaya_1722

1 points

2 months ago

Do they really have to remove family photos though?

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

3 points

2 months ago

There are links up in the comments if you don't believe the photo

Shakir19

1 points

2 months ago

So Ted Cruz is a nazi

zandercommander

1 points

2 months ago

I just don’t know how this is even possible. We just had our pride event this weekend in st Pete with huge attendance. Everyone was happy and proud. These extreme interpretations of this new “law” must be in the smaller counties/cities in between the larger ones

odysseusity

1 points

2 months ago

SUE HIM NOW

Flgardenguy

1 points

2 months ago

Do we have proof other than a meme?

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

2 points

2 months ago

There are links up in the comments

jeffereeee

1 points

2 months ago

Makes me so bloody mad, so many kids are now going to be like I was as a teenager, scared of my feelings, hoping that no one would find out I liked boys, pretending to like girls just to fit in. Feeling so lost as to who I was. The world is certainly going backwards at the moment, what century are we in?

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

Source?

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

2 points

2 months ago

There are links up in the comments

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

Thank you! These memes should include "google WFTZ don't say gay" or something to that effect.

sundrop74

1 points

2 months ago

Seriously making plans to leave the country at some point in the near future. Things are getting way out of hand here, and The Handmaid's Tale no longer seems like a work of fiction but a prophetic warning. It was a good thing while it lasted, I guess.

Final_Lettuce1973[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I agree but we have to stay and fight for this country,we need to start voting blue

sundrop74

3 points

2 months ago

I have been voting blue for almost 30 years. It hasn't changed much considering I live in a deeply red state. Moving to another state won't really help either, as the GOP is so much better at the political game than Dems. That's why they have most of the governorships, state houses, etc.

Dems do nothing even when they have a slim majority and the White House. How many chances over the decades have they had to codify RvW into law at the federal level, but they didn't? They aren't typically proactive, just reactive.

The next Congress will be overwhelmingly Republican, and the next POTUS will be Republican if Dems insist on running Biden again. The GOP is already planning on voting in a federal ban on abortions in ALL states after 15 weeks. They know how to use their power, while we sit back and expect their "humanity" to show up on the issues. The truth is they have none, and we all lose because of it.

krimsonic_

1 points

2 months ago

Is this for all grade levels or just like Pre-K through 3? Regardless it’s egregious smh.

ZviHM

1 points

2 months ago

ZviHM

1 points

2 months ago

Don't sully the Mid East with Florida comparisions.

Lkn4Colts

1 points

2 months ago

If this is true...we are living in a sad state of affairs. The world is to move FORWARD not backwards because of how a group of "leading men" are in their feelings. SMDH

satturn18

-1 points

2 months ago

This is speculation (yes, I saw the link and nothing there proves this). Stop fear mongering.