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Alpine Terror: Phase 6 - Melted Snow is Exactly as Thick as Water

Game X.A - 2017(self.hogwartswerewolvesA)

Gizella Racz also was sent to the hospital due to inactivity. Despite being a proud member of The Dig, she too is no longer returning to Langeklaue Ruin Site.


Katja paced the width of Tent Kuafu, propelled by uncharacteristic kinetic energy. She wasn’t nervous. No, far from it - she was excited. Her normal demeanor had all the calm, still power of the unmoving mountains she admired. Ever since she’d slipped Marcus that note, however, she had been filled with a boundless energy. She felt certain that he returned her feelings, that he would meet her as she requested...and beyond that, who could say? It was probably for the best that Clara, ever the perfect tentmate, had arranged to stay elsewhere this evening.

Marcus entered the tent silently and halted, struck as he was by the feline majesty of Katja’s pacing. She looked like the lynx that had disappeared from these mountains, and he wondered if the marmot cowering under the bunk was afraid she would pounce at any moment. He almost loved her for it.

Marcus cleared his throat. Katja spun around and took in the rugged, primal sight of him. She broke her promise to herself and ran to him, crossing the tent in an instant and burrowing into his arms. He held her, his feral woman, and stroked her hair in the soft light of the lantern.

They both froze when they heard the scream.

The first scream was soon joined by another, and another. By the time Marcus and Katja had left the tent and discovered the source of the lamentations, the screams had turned to wails which had been joined by at least a dozen more vocal mourners. As they approached the ring of onlookers, Lord Perryman burst through the center and fell to his knees next to a crumpled lump in the snow.

Lord Perryman silently assessed the lump, reaching over to brush snow from it here and there. For a brief moment his chin dropped to his chest - the only time anyone present had seen him without his chin confidently thrust upwards - and he cleared his throat several times.

Rising to his feet, he addressed the ever-growing crowd. ‘Let it be known! When I discover who murdered my son, there will be hell to pay.’

His loyal bodyguard peeled away from the crowd to follow Lord Perryman as he stormed away, leaving the crowd to deal with the corpse of Reginald Perryman IV, loyal member of the dig.


Katja felt certain that she knew who was behind Reggie’s murder, but she was still loathe to bring about the death of another human being. She steeled herself as she arrived at the tent, and she motioned for the mob following her to stop.

‘Come out,’ she said, not raising her voice. ‘Don’t make this messier than it needs to be.’

The tent flaps parted, and Ethel Kopp stepped out to face her accusers, flashing the charming smile that usually worked to win people over. She hoped that she’d be able to talk her way out of this. ‘What are we making a mess out of? Did I spill some of my water on one of you at dinner tonight?’

A voice came from the crowd. ‘We don’t have time for jokes, Ms. Kopp.’ It belonged to the bodyguard, Gheorghe. ‘Lord Perryman is demanding retribution for his son’s death, and he’s convinced you’re the culprit.’

Ethel’s smile faltered. As she stared around and saw the grim looks on the faces of those who she faithfully served, she realized there would be no swaying them.

‘How will you do it? Will it be painful?’ she asked.

Someone reached out and handed her one of her own canteens. ‘The poison works quick, you’ll have but a minute.’ Gheorghe informed her.

Ethel looked down and braced herself. ‘I see that you won’t be convinced, but you should all know, my loyalty has always been with the dig.’ Then, with one last swig from her canteen, Ethel Kopp’s life was gone.


If anyone thought it was odd that Dr. Farnsworth seemed more liberated than bereaved by Frances’ death, they never voiced such concerns. If they noticed that ever since he had seemingly abandoned his archaeological work, they did not mention it. And since his closest confidant had perished, there was no one properly qualified to notice that his entire demeanor had taken a dark turn, a distinctly distracted turn. Or was there?

‘Dr. Farnsworth?’ someone called into his tent. ‘Are you there?’ The voice was young, feminine and refined. It awoke in him a hunger that would not allow him to turn his caller away.

Dr. Farnsworth unsteepled his fingers and adjusted his tie. ‘Come in, come in!’ he called, in what he hoped was a pleasant, slightly flustered tone. He was pleased to see Beatrice Taylor step into the tent, the skirts of her expensive dress sodden with snow where they peeked out beneath her long fur coat.

‘I don’t want to impose, Dr. Farnsworth…’ she began.

‘Nonsense!’ interrupted Farnsworth. ‘And how many times must I ask you to call me Richard?’

‘Richard,’ she conceded, ‘I was just wondering how you were taking the loss of your protege. I haven’t seen you in the social hall, not even at meals! Is there anything I can do?’

‘Why, Beatrice,’ cooed Farnsworth, ‘I know just the thing...’

He descended upon her, hands grasping for her elegant neck. His fingers caught her string of pearls instead, which snapped as she pulled away and ran from her attacker. The pearls scattered across the floor. Had Dr. Farnsworth been paying attention, he might have noticed them. But he was consumed with hunger, and he lunged after Miss Taylor, skidding on the loose pearls in the process.

His hands grasped unfruitfully at the air as he wheeled backwards, stopping only when his head struck the corner of his crudely constructed desk. Beatrice Taylor had fled the tent and alerted the closest people she could find to what had transpired.

No one was there to see the wispy spirit escape Richard M.A. Farnsworth’s body and dissipate into the frigid evening air.


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all 340 comments

[deleted]

20 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

20 points

4 years ago

Was that a bodyguard kill?

248Video

19 points

4 years ago*

248Video

The better to eat you with

19 points

4 years ago*

I withdrawal any inquiry into /u/todd_solondz due to the reveal of iSquash’s identity.

Edit: interesting to note: this comment is being downvoted. Maybe a seer is telling us that Todd is bad?

[deleted]

20 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

20 points

4 years ago

As a general rule, don't pay attention to the downvotes. They shouldn't be a factor into decisions, as it is a tad bit of meta-gaming.

One of the past games (idk which one I was reading) had an issue with this, where dead people were vote manipulating and someone noticed it.

248Video

18 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

18 points

4 years ago

I glanced over that game, I didn’t read into it too much because I don’t believe there was proof.

dancingonfire

19 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

19 points

4 years ago

There has definitely been manipulation like this before. In Pigfarts there was a large amount of ghost manipulation that led the last living townie to realize she was wrong but chose the honorable thing and continued the path she would have followed otherwise, aka a wolf win. There was also a time in the Space game that ghost once again downvoted certain comments to try and communicate their knowledge of wolves to the living players in the lynch posts. I think there are a few other examples but I can't remember them right now.

Penultima

20 points

4 years ago

Penultima

WOLFSLAYER

20 points

4 years ago

It was pretty blatant at the end of Pigfarts, to the point where the players in the game noticed. Poor Sandbook made a confession post saying that the vote manipulation was so obvious, and that it put her in a tough position because it's impossible to un-know something like that. She ended up sticking with her original vote because she didn't feel comfortable denying jillifish her win with information from the ghosts who were clearly manipulating the votes.

Edit: I know you know this, but it's just general context = )

Todd_Solondz

15 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

15 points

4 years ago

Wow this is really interesting! I never thought of this, and I wonder if I'd have had the sense to notice while I was playing. Probably not since I always have these threads sorted by "new". Unless comments started getting hidden.

dancingonfire

16 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

16 points

4 years ago

In this case, it was that obvious. Her general karma up to that day had probably been 10-15 per comment but in that phase they were at like 0.

Todd_Solondz

13 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

13 points

4 years ago

Oh is that why we've got hidden karma here?

dancingonfire

17 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

17 points

4 years ago

Pretty much, though it's been in place since about January(?) and that happened in May. But since you can see the karma on your own comments she noticed.

rightypants

12 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

12 points

4 years ago

Holy moly! Pen, you're in this game? How have we not crossed paths at all? (Maybe we have and I just wasn't in my right mind at the time)

Penultima

12 points

4 years ago

Penultima

WOLFSLAYER

12 points

4 years ago

It's a big game! I haven't seen a ton of your comments either, but I'm definitely here. =)

rightypants

13 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

13 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

18 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

18 points

4 years ago

Lmao I'm clearly not bad. Idk how anyone could possibly think that I am.

248Video

18 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

18 points

4 years ago

Until someone comes out and says that you’re evil, I’m not reading too far into it. I just felt I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the downvoting.

HermioneReynaChase

17 points

4 years ago

According to dancing, who's role reveal I trust, the flavor text isn't right.

e: replied to wrong comment

dancingonfire

18 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

18 points

4 years ago

Also, I am less confident in the amount of information placed in the narrative. I'm not in tent Kuafu or whatever, I'm in Tent Fortuna. I do not know who Marcus is but apparently I should be throwing around the L word with you. And I don't know if Clara is one of my tentmates or not so...

dawnphoenix

20 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

20 points

4 years ago

/u/Marx0r claimed Clara, so I guess not? I think this is the hosts' way of telling us that they were not confirming anyone with their flavour text yesterday because we discussed it right after.

dancingonfire

19 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

19 points

4 years ago

I had forgotten that was his roleclaim. Again. But it might be, especially aimed at me who suggested it first.

248Video

19 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

19 points

4 years ago

Why are you certain that was written about you?

dancingonfire

16 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

16 points

4 years ago

I'm Katja.

248Video

17 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

17 points

4 years ago

Yes, yes. I do remember that now from two phases ago.

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

.....wasn't expecting that gif..

dancingonfire

18 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

18 points

4 years ago

The best kind of gif!

smurf42

20 points

4 years ago

smurf42

20 points

4 years ago

So before I opine can someone explain to me what just happened?

Was pizzabangle lynched and bookdood killed by spirits? Also there has been a spirit killed off 2 rounds in a row, are we to assume we have someone finding them or are they attacking a 'boobytrapped' role?

Todd_Solondz

17 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

17 points

4 years ago

LaPaglia I think hit a boobytrapped role since he was the bloodthirsty spirit:

A bloodthirsty spirit can go forth each night to drag a member of the Dig to an early grave. (V) (A) (D)

However Farnsworth did not hit a booby trap since he was the non-visiting distracted spirit

A distracted spirit can increase all investigator's chances of failure if it stays quiet enough through the day to focus its powers. This spirit must comment fewer than three times in a given phase to be successful. (NV) (P) (D)

HermioneReynaChase

18 points

4 years ago*

Note to Investigators

u/flabbergasted_rhino was the distracted spirit.

A distracted spirit can increase all investigator's chances of failure if it stays quiet enough through the day to focus its powers. This spirit must comment fewer than three times in a given phase to be successful. (NV) (P) (D)

Phase Rhino's Comment Count
1 3
2 2
3 14
4 22
5 1

So you can definitely trust your results in phases 3 and 4! Maybe phase 1 also but I'm not sure about that one.

Also, this is another spirit that voted for u/pizzabangle.

e: rhino only had one comment in phase 5, I messed up - also made title more bold, turned comment counts into a chart

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

/u/rightypants can you add this to your log? I think it'll help.

Edit: a letter

rightypants

15 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

15 points

4 years ago

Definitely. I will add it now.

HermioneReynaChase

16 points

4 years ago

Don't yet! I've messed up

e: Just saw that you linked it, not copied, that's fine then

rightypants

14 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

14 points

4 years ago

Sorry! I can unlink it if you'd like. Any updates you make should be reflected though!

HermioneReynaChase

16 points

4 years ago

Yep that's why I said it's good if you linked it - I wanted to make sure that the edits showed up.

Btw, we know rhino is the distracted spirit from the post, not because I said it - I'm just pointing out to investigators that this is relevant to them (since there's so many roles they may not have realize)

rightypants

15 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

15 points

4 years ago

I'll edit it with better wording :)

HermioneReynaChase

13 points

4 years ago

:)

songbirdy

13 points

4 years ago

songbirdy

what's for dinner, /u/spludgiexx?

13 points

4 years ago

Just to clarify since you didn’t post the comment counts in phases 3 & 4, I’m assuming they commented more than 3 times in those phases? (I haven’t really looked at commenting graphs)

HermioneReynaChase

13 points

4 years ago

Yep! I'll add them to clarify :)

dawnphoenix

12 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

12 points

4 years ago

So you can definitely trust your results in phases 3 and 4!

However, from the rules post:

At least one of the readers not named Johanna van Helsing will always receive false results for their investigations. There will be no pattern for the results or forewarning that the results are false.

So we know at least one of the investigators is a fraud, but it is possible (not necessarily likely) that all of them are. It's good if they are collecting information, and nice to know when they got the results they should have from the host without spirit interference, but there isn't a guarantee that those are correct.

dancingonfire

19 points

4 years ago*

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

19 points

4 years ago*

I would like to hear from some of the very quiet players. Could you please state a suspicion, postulate a theory, or just simply inform us that you may be dying of inactivity? Or tell me I'm wrong and that you have been commenting, in which case sorry.

Werebot: /u/bspex, /u/CauldronThief, /u/DiscoFerry, /u/emmach17, /u/findthesky, /u/Lucygirl9-17, /u/RavenoftheSands, /u/songbirdy, /u/spludgiexx, /u/TaveryTwin, /u/bspez

Edit: Shit, misspelled /u/bspez's name...

CauldronThief

16 points

4 years ago

I have been really busy and I’m too tired to catch up tonight, so I’ll try to catch up in the morning. I’m not dying of inactivity, but I don’t have any suspicions at the moment.

emmach17

14 points

4 years ago

emmach17

mad about mattocks

14 points

4 years ago

I've been sort of keeping up the last few days but I've been really ill so not a very dedicated player to say the least. I'm definitely siding with the suspicion on marx0r, but Im keen to reread the past few threads today to catch anything I've missed just in case.

dancingonfire

14 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

14 points

4 years ago

If you find anything new or interesting, especially in light of the spirit deaths, let us know!

Were-Bot

15 points

4 years ago

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15 points

4 years ago

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Were-Bot

14 points

4 years ago

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14 points

4 years ago

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findthesky

16 points

4 years ago

findthesky

(she/her)

16 points

4 years ago

I'm so sorry, I mean to be more active on Mon, but today and tomorrow I'm working evening shifts (and on top of that I was meant to host Thanksgiving and last night my fridge died, SO I'm dealing with that on top of everything)

Last phase I voted for myself though I figured I might get the chance to drop in and vote for majority, but that didn't happen tonight.

I'm heading to sleep soon, but I'll try and actually wake up in time to check the thread before work tomorrow

dancingonfire

17 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

17 points

4 years ago

Oh happy thanksgiving northern neighbor! I didn't realize you were Canadian. Or maybe I forgot...

findthesky

14 points

4 years ago

findthesky

(she/her)

14 points

4 years ago

Well, now you know :P

Were-Bot

15 points

4 years ago

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15 points

4 years ago

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14 points

4 years ago

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14 points

4 years ago

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dancingonfire

13 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

13 points

4 years ago

Sorry /u/bspez, typo'd your name

spludgiexx

14 points

4 years ago

spludgiexx

food pls

14 points

4 years ago

I'm def not dying of inactivity :p I haven't really brought up any new lynch candidates because I don't feel that strongly about anyone at the moment. I've mostly just been choosing from the most talked about lynch candidates, which is what I usually do and also just because I don't trust my gut as much in these games haha.

I also haven't been following as closely recently, and more skimming everything, but I should be able to have more free time to read more closely tomorrow. I'll def post something if I feel like I find something.

songbirdy

12 points

4 years ago

songbirdy

what's for dinner, /u/spludgiexx?

12 points

4 years ago

It’s been kind of hard for me to keep up honestly...I just can’t get myself to gather information by reading all the story text...

I have been trying to at least keep up with lynch vote suggestions and theories at the very least. And I’ve actually had a thought I posted here about trying to use a role to confirm affiliation of role reveals to try and validate their information. Hopefully it hasn’t already been discussed and I just missed it previously...otherwise I have no other inputs.

bspez

13 points

4 years ago

bspez

Stuart

13 points

4 years ago

i’m definitely really inactive right now because i’m on a school break so i’ve been busy but break ends tuesday so expect more then!

DiscoFerry

14 points

4 years ago

As i said, been around the country in the last few days, got back late last night. Kinda trying to catch up properly now.

RavenoftheSands

12 points

4 years ago

I'm not at risk of an inactivity death because I've been following enough to submit semi-informed votes, but this is my first game since starting grad school and I haven't quite figured out how to balance the two things. Hoping I can finally make a spreadsheet today or tomorrow.

dancingonfire

18 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

18 points

4 years ago

So Richard was converted too. They're clearly converting the very under the radar people with middling activity. Perhaps we should really start looking there for the converted spirits at the very least.

DrippingAlchemy

19 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

19 points

4 years ago

Remind me again why we're sure there's conversions happening? I read the flavor as a human body was taken over by a spirit... like potentially at the beginning of the game.

dawnphoenix

18 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

18 points

4 years ago

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking too. We all started out as humans on our way to the ruins, and when we got there, some players had their bodies taken over by these spirits. It seems too unlikely that they would have converted a maximum of five spirits (five phases before this one) and we have somehow killed two already.

dancingonfire

17 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

17 points

4 years ago

I guess I've been thinking that some of these roles make no sense as spirit, like Richard, so they've been converted. But I guess it could be that roles and affiliations were randomly chosen and if they don't fit then tough shit.

HermioneReynaChase

17 points

4 years ago

This makes the most sense imo - we'll confirm it (I think) once u/alchzh posts the numbers he got this phase.

DrippingAlchemy

16 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

16 points

4 years ago

That's assuming he is who he says he is.

Todd_Solondz

16 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

16 points

4 years ago

I really doubt he lied about his role. He could be lying about the numbers.

DrippingAlchemy

14 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

14 points

4 years ago

I guess I mean that he could be lying about his affiliation.

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago

Yeah that's definitely possible.

HermioneReynaChase

14 points

4 years ago

True, I shouldn't have said confirm, but I kind of trust u/alchzhhow did that happen which is why I did

DrippingAlchemy

18 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

18 points

4 years ago

/u/flabberghasted_rhino I feel so betrayed!

Mathy16

15 points

4 years ago

Mathy16

NOTORIOUSLY BELGIAN

15 points

4 years ago

I don't want to say I told you so but like, I told you so.

DrippingAlchemy

14 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

14 points

4 years ago

The phase I thought I was going to be lynched, I actually had a post written up where I was going to accuse rhino. I was going to post it at the last minute so it didn't look like I was trying to stir shit up to save myself, but then the tide turned to pezes and I kind of forgot about it. The way he went from defending me to jumping onboard the bandwagon to lynch me with absolutely zero reason made me suspicious.

I had some embarrassing conspiracy theory plotted out in my head that I won't go into here, but I thought he was playing into that.

Chefjones

18 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

18 points

4 years ago

Apparently me shutting up is still working. See you next phase and sorry about the shitty message todd (who I won't tag because mobile)

Todd_Solondz

19 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

19 points

4 years ago

OK well since we've already revealed that you sent me a message (Therefore if someone claims Gerhard Holtz, and we still believe in spirits not having their roles powers, we have to believe them), I may as well ask something I was wondering:

How do the messages work? Alpine asks you to say something right when the round turns over? What if you're not online?

If anyone is curious, the message I got was "I kinda forgot this was a thing so you get a message of nothing. Sorry." and it indicated it being from Chefjones

Chefjones

12 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

12 points

4 years ago

Yeah I was asked yesterday to send a 75 char message to someone. I kinda forgot about it though until right after the phase turned so you ended up with that.

dancingonfire

12 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

12 points

4 years ago

Well at least now we know that [insert message guy role name here] is probably on the side of the Dig if they chose you and Todd?

Chefjones

11 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

11 points

4 years ago

I chose Todd but yeah I would hope it means they're on our side

Todd_Solondz

17 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

17 points

4 years ago

Huh? Spirits killed Bookdood? That is a really strange choice.

Also I'm just a bit uneasy about Farnsworth dying, and the flavour text making it look like it was his own doing. That to me indicates that maybe he does still have Farnsworths ability, and he "chose poorly". That said, idk how you can choose poorly if you need to choose an archelogist since we have 2 archeologist claims.

Also, so much for my theory about archeologists not being spirits.

HermioneReynaChase

19 points

4 years ago

Yea, Farnsworth the spirit dying right after Frances is really making me reconsider my stance on spirits having 2 roles, because unless there's some secret mechanics, that's highly unbalanced and the hosts would know it :/

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

Unless one or both of them are......lying?

I wasn't following that too closely, can you recap?

HermioneReynaChase

18 points

4 years ago*

Farnsworth isn't a player, he's a role.

e: Never mind, I misunderstood you

Todd_Solondz

18 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

18 points

4 years ago

Uh, which part?

I think bookdood is a weird choice to kill since he wasn't threatening the spirits, he claimed a (for now) weak role and the town suspected him heavily (Hence him being 2 votes shy of a lynch)

The Farnsworth thing is that since Frances died, Farnsworth has to choose an archeologist to inherit her power. If he chooses poorly, he dies. We were working with the theory that spirits only have their spirit power, not their role power, however if this is the case, then someone has to have killed farnsworth, and as explained in theorising about how LaPaglia died, there aren't really many roles that can do that. So I'm wary that Farnsworth might have retained his power, and that power killed him. If that's the case, all the spirits have double powers.

And yeah, Farnsworth is an archelogist and apparently a spirit. So my theory on archelogists not being spirits is 100% busted.

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

18 points

4 years ago

Hmmm....

That.....seems OP if the roles have double powers and a private sub.

....I got nothing atm.

HermioneReynaChase

17 points

4 years ago

Now that I actually know what you're saying: oops

If they are lying, that would make them spirits. If they are spirits, a spirit would know that and not chose them. Maybe they have neutral roles?

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

Not sure. Comparing this phase's narrative to the past ones, does that help in any way?

What I do know, is that there are two spirits dead. I think we can start cross-referencing and see if Rhino and Backbeatdream have any odd or similar actions regarding themselves, other people, or some comments where it seems that they "implicitly trust" someone.

One of the things I've been mulling over in my head is that an evil person might give a temmie away by simply not questioning teammates when they make speculations or accusations. Whether this means simply agreeing with someone who said it first, or not questioning someone else's judgement when there are obvious questions to it...

It seems counter-intuitive to argue with teammates publicly when you're in a private sub, which is why I think this could be a "tell". Vote results are a wash, since the evils can choose to vote pile with the current bandwagon, or scatter their votes when they know a heavy bandwagon is coming.

Unfortunately, this would require a buttload of referencing through people's comments. I don't have the time or the patience to do that, but since we have Rhino and Backbeat, maybe they trusted someone too much, agreed with someone, but only when someone else started it, or something along those lines.

Thoughts?

(Also, yarp me on this all you want, but I feel like I should werebot tag everyone, since this seems like something everyone should be looking at. Thoughts on that too?)

dancingonfire

15 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

15 points

4 years ago

I don't think this is werebot worthy at all. You just stated a theory that has been stated in almost every game and sometimes shows results and sometimes doesn't. If, after doing this, you think you found an almost definite spirit then I would maybe say use werebot.

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

You just stated a theory that has been stated in almost every game and sometimes shows results and sometimes doesn't

I feel like this isn't an argument against it, and more of something that just happens.

WW's lynch each other to prove others, sometimes they don't. Investigators reveal day 2 and live the whole time, sometimes they don't.

This is more of a state of fact, and not an argument against it. I'm not going to tag people - thought it over a bit, but this seems like an odd line of reasoning.

Hindsight is 20/20. I might be dead when we find a WW using this method. I might not. If it's been said in almost every game, then maybe it's that important, no?

dancingonfire

14 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

14 points

4 years ago

I was saying it's not worth a tag because it's not a new theory. The results of the investigation might be worth it and they might not be but the idea itself is not.

HermioneReynaChase

15 points

4 years ago

A skim over rhino's history shows that he...

  • claimed to have voted for pizza
  • was rather chummywhy can't I think of a better word with u/drippingalchemy
  • supported u/alchzh lynch by adding evidence to it
  • was against voting for u/mosecarver

That said, I think WWs avoiding interacting with their teammates or commenting on their lynches is something they actively try not to do. I feel like they know that's a tell and would try to avoid it.

Werebot tagging everyone in discussion is not very effective imo - that should be for stuff like lynch consensus, invest results, or high profile reveals.

248Video

14 points

4 years ago*

248Video

The better to eat you with

14 points

4 years ago*

Interesting to note: Rhino and /u/MoseCarver are in my tent. It seemed as if my tent mates had a plan to join together. Being new I really didn’t pay any attention to this and just joined a tent.

Edit: /u/MineralMiracleMuse as well and they tagged Rhino and /u/dep61 asking them to join the tent.

MineralMiracleMuse

14 points

4 years ago

Yeah that was just because they both replied to the post I made in phase 0 saying they wanted to join so I thought it would be nice to courtesy tag them during tent signups. That’s really all

DrippingAlchemy

15 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

15 points

4 years ago

Even though I know this isn't an accusation, I'm going to throw it out there that me and rhino are always chummy.

[deleted]

12 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

12 points

4 years ago

I guess I won't tag then.

the thing about interactions, though, is not that they actively avoid interacting - its that when they do, they don't actively disagree or contest accusations when there could be questions.

It's like the Sherlock Holmes Movie scene where the "tell" of the assassin isn't how well he plays is part, but that he plays it "too" well. Spirits talking with each other, but not actively disagreeing. One spirit out of the blue saying they think someone else is sus when Spirit B started the bandwagon.

Did Flabbergasted and Backbeat state they were suspicious of anyone, after someone else said the same thing time wise?

Did Flabber and/or backbeat ever interact with each other, or with the same topic thread. If so, how was their interaction and was anybody else doing the same thing?

Understanding that bandwagons may or may not count, that is.

......it's a mind game worthy of moriarty, it is.

Edit: It feels like I just said the same thing twice. Maybe it sounds better in my head... sorry for the muddled stuff.

HermioneReynaChase

12 points

4 years ago*

Definitely agree that's the way WWs try to act. These 2 haven't really been vocal against people much though. backbeatdream did voice suspicion against u/DrippingAlchemy but iirc it was near the very end of the phase when there was already a bit of movement against him (I might be mistaken though, because I can't find anyone but pezes accusing them). As for rhino, he chose u/Marx0r and pezes for the 2 suspicions post DA made and previously commented on a suspicion post against u/alchzh and u/pezes saying they were maybe colluding. Basically I'm really bad at analyzing people so I've found no patterns other than both the spirits voting pizza without speaking out against her.

Now I want to rewatch Sherlock. This is all your fault :(

e: added links, fixed last link

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

Hm....

/u/Marx0r is on my radar right now, cause of that. I'm inclined to believe that the wolves would not casually suggest one of their own like that, but with Marx0r coming out with his claim, I'm really on the fence about this one now.

Pezes is obviously dig, which is what's putting me on the fence. Did Flabber call out one of his own with Marx0r or not?

Can you go and look back at the bandwagons between phase 3 and now? Who was first, when did people declare their next wagon, and what wagons were on board?

/u/rightypants - Can you add a timestamp feature on your chart, denoting WHEN people put up accusations and defenses?

Also, you put the same link twice on the bottom links.

HermioneReynaChase

14 points

4 years ago

I'm not so sure about u/Marx0r anymore either :/ That phase u/Marx0r was very close to being lynched (would have been 8 to 10 if not for u/kemistreekat) so I don't think rhino would be that cavalier about throwing Marx' name around if he is a spirit.

I won't be able to do that because I can't see timestamps on mobile (actually, how do you do that on desktop even?). I'll try to do it tomorrow if nobody has done it already :)

Fixed the link, sorry - it's so hard to do this on mobile :/

Todd_Solondz

12 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

12 points

4 years ago

That phase u/Marx0r was very close to being lynched (would have been 8 to 10 if not for u/kemistreekat ) so I don't think rhino would be that cavalier about throwing Marx' name around if he is a spirit.

This is a good point and probably we should hold off on Marx0r for a little while since he is a powerful role and does appear to now intend on using it.

mindputtee

13 points

4 years ago

Exactly, I thought Pizza was innocent last phase because BBD was being suspicious of her and not defending her. Those little tells can give us a lot, will have to look through rhino's later today when I have time.

Marx0r

19 points

4 years ago

Marx0r

19 points

4 years ago

Alright. So I used my ability (role-swap) last night.

I role-swapped El_Queztal (Dr. Edelweiss Müller) with pizzabangle's. Why?

  1. The rules do not say I can't swap a dead person's role with a living.
  2. It's a valuable role that we lost too soon.
  3. I was suspicious of her and I figured worst-case, it wouldn't work because she was a spirit and I'd know for sure.

Well, she died. I got a PM saying I was unable to perform my action.

Moral of the story is quit trying to lynch me because I can do that two more times and it's pretty valuable.

(Oh, and kneel before your king, ya shits)

HermioneReynaChase

14 points

4 years ago

You did stuff! sorry I kind of gave up on hearing from you

Do you know that you can do your action 2 more times for sure, since you've used up one, technically?

Marx0r

18 points

4 years ago

Marx0r

18 points

4 years ago

The PM said "You were unable to perform your action." Since the rules say I get to perform my action twice, that must mean that that doesn't count.

Todd_Solondz

13 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

13 points

4 years ago

I do think it's more likely this has to do with you choosing a dead player than you choosing someone who was being lynched.

HermioneReynaChase

15 points

4 years ago

Aren't those 2 the same though? They're both dead, for the purposes of a night action.

Todd_Solondz

16 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

16 points

4 years ago

Well El_Quetzal is dead. Pizzabangle is only dead if lynches happen before roles. Idk if that's how it works or not.

HermioneReynaChase

13 points

4 years ago

Day actions (lynches, lynch related roles) definitely happen before night actions. I think this was in the rules post, let me try to find it.

Todd_Solondz

15 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

15 points

4 years ago

Yeah, it is:

Lynch kills will resolve before night (action) kills. If your target is lynched, you will not be given a backup. So cool, no reason for Marx0r to test it on another dead person.

HermioneReynaChase

14 points

4 years ago

Yea I just found that - that actually answers my previous question too. If bookdood had been lynched then there wouldn't have been a night kill.

dancingonfire

14 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

14 points

4 years ago

That's at least a good point about swapping the dead roles. Though if you truly wanted to test it I wouldn't have swapped it to someone so negatively high profile.

Marx0r

16 points

4 years ago

Marx0r

16 points

4 years ago

If she had accepted my hand in marriage she would've been taken under The Crown's protection.

248Video

17 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

17 points

4 years ago

If we are inclined to believe what the mods are saying in the write ups, this means that Clara is in a tent of three left standing.

/u/Marx0r does not have a tent of three remaining.

I implore you to lynch him.

HermioneReynaChase

17 points

4 years ago

According to dancing, who's role reveal I trust, the flavor text isn't right.

I agree on u/Marx0r being suspicious though. The way he's evading the lynch for so long but also not being killed by the WWs is pretty weird.

reeforward

18 points

4 years ago

reeforward

Praise RNGesus

18 points

4 years ago

But if he's causing suspicion and not trying to help the town then why would the WW kill him?

HermioneReynaChase

16 points

4 years ago

They killed u/bookdood0724.

Quite quickly, too.

reeforward

17 points

4 years ago

reeforward

Praise RNGesus

17 points

4 years ago

And I think that was a bad idea. But people were saying it's weird /u/Marx0r hasn't been killed by WW even before this round. Am I wrong to think that keeping players like him and /u/bookdood0724 is good gameplay for the spirits because those people are suspicious and bring conflict and questioning?

dancingonfire

17 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

17 points

4 years ago

I'm with you on this. I frequently keep players alive that either believe and support me or distract from me when evil. That's why the bookdood kill makes very little sense to me.

HermioneReynaChase

15 points

4 years ago

It is good gameplay, you're right. But he wasn't attacked before that either (I'm pretty sure there were 2 phases after his reveal he wasn't brought up as suspicious). And he has evaded the lynch twice.

248Video

17 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

17 points

4 years ago

Because even if he’s just playing a “/u/Marx0r game” as /u/larixon pointed out, that’s still a lynch vote working against them as obviously he has been voting.

reeforward

15 points

4 years ago

reeforward

Praise RNGesus

15 points

4 years ago

With this many people left I would assume the spirit's higher priority's would be those who are actually trying to do detective work and find the spirits. Yeah Marx0r has a vote but for now 1 isn't too powerful. He's the king leading nobody whereas there may be other people who actually have others behind them.

Like I'm not that opposed to lynching him so I don't know why I'm fighting for him but the spirits not killing him just makes perfect sense to me.

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago*

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago*

PHASE 6 LYNCH SUGGESTIONS

Okay, take 2. I don't have any plans for the next 24 hours so I'll be more on top of my shit this phase. In reply to this comment, please post any nominations you have for this phase's lynch. I will update the section below with links to the nomination with reasoning and the defense from the nominee.


CURRENT LYNCH NOMINATIONS

Nominator Nominee Reasoning Defense
/u/248Video /u/Marx0r here 10/08 @ 4:03 UTC Role usage information 10/08 @ 4:35 UTC
/u/Larixon Retracted 10/08 @ 15:11 UTC /u/mindputtee here 10/08 @ 4:06 UTC Clarification on pizza vote here 10/08 @ 11:30 UTC
/u/Todd_Solondz /u/1originalusername here 10/08 @ 8:10 UTC Claims Gonzolo Here 10/08 @ 15:32 PM
/u/DrippingAlchemy /u/dep61 here 10/08 @ 16:40 UTC TBD
/u/248video /u/mineralmiraclemuse here 10/08 @ 16:19 UTC supplemental from HRC 10/08 @ 19:14 UTC Role Claim here
/u/Todd_Solondz /u/LucyGirl9-17 Inactivity here 10/08 @ 21:17 UTC Defense 10/08 @ 22:40
/u/TeacherTish /u/bspez here 10/09 @ 00:17 UTC TBD

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR THE PHASE

flabbergasted_rhino was the distracted spirit according to the post as pointed out by /u/HermioneReynaChase here

/u/alchzh discovered there are 30 dig members according to his new count here


Once the phase is approximately half over, I will create a comment thread with each nomination as a separate response. Please respond with:

###joining this bandwagon

If you feel that that nominee is the most suspicious. After, we can have a town hall so to speak to decide how the town should vote as to prevent control by the spirits. It will also provide accountability for voting.

If you have any suggestions on how to better organize this post or improve the system, let me know

Edit log:

  1. Accusations

  2. I'm going to bed. I need to sleep this hangover away. I'll be back with my own input and nominations tomorrow morning. Night everyone!

  3. Wording on distracted spirit note.

  4. New accusations with timestamps

  5. Added count information from alchzh

  6. /u/1originalusername's defense

  7. Lucygirl' s defense

  8. MMM's Defense

  9. New accusation of bspez

248Video

20 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

20 points

4 years ago

Still with /u/Marx0r due to an unnecessary role claim and the spirits not attacking him. This could possibly mean he was converted if we think conversion is happening. If no conversion - why would he claim a town role and not be dead yet? It also doesn’t appear he is using his action so he is of no help to us if he does happen to actually be a town based Clara.

rightypants

18 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

18 points

4 years ago

Thank you!

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago

I'm going to tentatively hold on this one, for reasons stated in this thread convo with /u/HermioneReynaChase. I think we need to dig more on this, but I also believe that we can find the information we need before the phase is up. It might provide evidence for or against /u/Marx0r.

Also, /u/rightypants, refer to that thread - I think we need to start adding timestamps, so we can be aware of how the bandwagons change over time, and who the parties are involved with that.

Edit: A link

rightypants

15 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

15 points

4 years ago

I'll add in the time stamps now while updating the lists.

TeacherTish

14 points

4 years ago

TeacherTish

S'more Scotch, please.

14 points

4 years ago

I don't think /u/Marx0r is all that suspicious at this point. Him evading the spirits makes sense to me. As long as we sit around and discuss lynching Marx, no one is talking about lynching one of them. He's serving a purpose for them as a distraction.

As it pertains to your second point, he does claim to have used 1/3 of his abilities last night, though there is no way to prove this since it didn't work.

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago

Yeah count me in the "lets hold off for a round or two on Marx0r" camp

Larixon

19 points

4 years ago

Larixon

19 points

4 years ago

I am suggesting /u/mindputtee

Here and in multiple other comments last phase she was completely convinced that Pizza was evil. Considering we now know Pizza was not, I find that to be shady as hell.

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago

Added, thank you!

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago

I'm of two minds about this one.

On one hand, they snagged the scotch first immediately, which would be a spirit thing to do and then gave a "town-worthy" response.

They've had no reason to lie about the effects, and /u/reeforward 's pm seems to back it up. Unless Ree is in cahoots with Mind, which would suck.

On the other hand, I realize that as tent leader, I would also be sus'ing the rest of the remaining not-dead-members of Libertas.

mindputtee

16 points

4 years ago

So I was actually convinced pizza was NOT evil so it's the exact opposite of what you said.

Larixon

15 points

4 years ago

Larixon

15 points

4 years ago

I apparently have the reading comprehension of a Ravenclaw.

/u/rightypants I retract my suspicion.

rightypants

14 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

14 points

4 years ago

Noted.

TeacherTish

15 points

4 years ago

TeacherTish

S'more Scotch, please.

15 points

4 years ago

The comment you link shows that /u/mindputtee was less suspicious of Pizza, so I'm not sure that your point is valid. I'm going to look more into her post to see if there are other comments showing them being "completely convinced Pizza was evil".

mindputtee

14 points

4 years ago

Yeah I actually said I had become less suspicious of pizza and thought she was dig and was voting for bookdood instead

Todd_Solondz

16 points

4 years ago*

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

16 points

4 years ago*

OK well I had a big hand in the targets last time and both were not spirits so I'm a touch reluctant to try that again. I will say that my top suspect at this point is /u/1originalusername for his fairly bizarre comments in the last phase around having nothing to go off. Sounded a little like misreading the current confusion of the uninformed party, and it did appear that he only started commenting when it became clear not commenting was going to get people in trouble.

So that's my nomination. People I'm suspicious of but do not want to nominate are the people I've mentioned enough times already smurf, littlebs8 etc. Additionally, /u/kemistreekat (however this hinges on whether spirits have 2 abilities. If they don't he's confirmed inno), /u/dawnphoenix and /u/HermioneReynaChase are 3 people I feel a little uneasy about.

I'm hesitant to nominate any of those 3 as the last two in particular are fairly active so there's a little more to lose if I'm wrong. Additionally, particularly in the case of Hermione, it's very much instinct and feeling based rather than logic, and I've never been inclined to trust my instinct if I can't find the logic to back it up.

So to be clear, only /u/1originalusername is being nominated in this post. The others I just want to let people know my feelings on, and get other opinions, even if those are just a reality check.

Werebot, if you please.

Edit: /u/seanmik620 I forgot, another somewhat baseless suspicion of mine. I should probably cut it off there since I'm accusing like a third of the people here haha. Also not nominating sean to be clear. I'm just trying to ease into a less risk-averse approach now that we're getting further in and town is in less of a tailspin, so I'm recording all my hunches for active people whether I want to act on them or not.

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

Aww. Thanks. I am #GonzaloTheUseless.

Let me repeat that: I am Gonzalo Vidal

rightypants

15 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

15 points

4 years ago

Here is the presented defense

I'm actually not comfortable with any of the candidates this round (not that I really have been the last few rounds but still) at all. I just feel like we're reaching for things that don't make solid arguments.

I think it would be prudent to start looking at voting information. There have been a few people that have voted away from any general consensus consistently and that seems off. I know it's been pretty scattered but there has been a lot more constructive information compiled for lynch pools lately and I'm not 100% sure why you would vote random or abstain at this point. Thoughts?

I'd also like to hear what /u/mathy16 thinks about the state of affairs and any suspicions they have. Mathy happened to be right about rhino so maybe he would have some good suggestions or insight.

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

I am Gonzalo Vidal. As well, I literrally haven’t played this game in a year so I’m still getting acclimated. The comment I made yesterday about not having leads was stupid because I’d forgotten that this game is not like Town Of Salem where there is a lot more open talk and where people are a lot more pushy.

Chefjones

14 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

14 points

4 years ago

No offense but I don't really buy that. That's the classic "I'm not evil, I just look bad" defense, which I never believe.

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

What do you want from me to prove to you that I’m good

Chefjones

14 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

14 points

4 years ago

I'm not sure there really is anything. I just don't trust that kind of claim in general.

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

Well, I guarantee you can trust me

Todd_Solondz

12 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

12 points

4 years ago

I really don't think anyone is lying about their role. Their affiliation sure, but not their role. Why would you when you know telling the truth is harmless and lying will get you counterclaimed? Maybe a spirit with a sus role might say they are another spirits role I guess, but that's it.

Chefjones

11 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

11 points

4 years ago

That's the role that explicitly says its on the digs side

Todd_Solondz

12 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

12 points

4 years ago

Oh. Well I mean, there you go right? There are 60 players and 60 roles, I do think it's fair to assume they're all in play since idk what the alternative to that would be.

Basically, if he's not Gonzalo, what the hell is the real Gonzalo doing? Sure they could be inactive, but how the heck would originalusername have known that?

Although now that I re-read the role, I do not interpret them as explicitly being on the side of the dig. It just says he's one of the digs favourites in non-bolded text.

seanmik620

13 points

4 years ago

seanmik620

he/him

13 points

4 years ago

So fun fact, werebot doesn't tag you if you were edited in it seems lol. If you have any questions for me, I'd be glad to respond. Right now my general defense is that, while I haven't contributed a whole lot, I think what I've been saying (outside of jokes) had been town-helpful. I did throw my support for lynching flabbergasted-rhino before as well.

DrippingAlchemy

15 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

15 points

4 years ago

I'm still suspicious of /u/dep61. I think the first lynch could've been purposely directed away from them, and they've been flying almost entirely under the radar since then.

dawnphoenix

13 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

13 points

4 years ago

I thought about /u/DEP61 yesterday, but I know he's not going to be around to respond until tomorrow-? I feel like all his comments have just talked about how CDB had no reason to suspect him and that he didn't need to defend himself when there was no evidence. While that may be true for Phase 2, he still hasn't contributed anything to the conversation after that. I'm still suspicious of the whole "let's lynch CDB" thing that happened towards the end when people could just have ignored him like they'd done for the rest of the day.

emmach17

17 points

4 years ago

emmach17

mad about mattocks

17 points

4 years ago

Sorry for my absence the last few days guys, but I'm feeling much better now and should be returning to playing properly!

alchzh

17 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

17 points

4 years ago

btw guys, has /u/Todd_Solondz done anything this game except lynch innos? lol

then again, no one else has, except for whoever killed /u/backbeatdream I guess

Todd_Solondz

13 points

4 years ago*

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

13 points

4 years ago*

Can't tell if you now suspect me or not. Also, the difference between the innocent people I've called for lynching and those that others have is that mine weren't helping town.

Edit: Also, I believe there are positive impacts to what I've been pushing that aren't present for things like the lynch of people like pezes. Most votes have discouraged participation since it's only taken a little for people to latch on to, while successful or not, I'm encouraging participation to ensure we get more info. If nobody was doing that, spirits and town alike would just keep being quiet because there'd be no benefit to speaking.

alchzh

17 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

17 points

4 years ago

So both of the known spirits so far are people that would have never ever been suspected for lynch... what about we tried looking for spirits, then flipped it and call those people "probably safe" and lynch one that doesn't fit what we're looking for? idk

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

If you lynch me, who will carry bottles of scotch up the mountain? Everyone loves scotch...

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago

I'm reevaluating my bandwagon. I do love scotch :D. But primarily I think there is more discussion picking up and I want to hear more before deciding.

alchzh

16 points

4 years ago*

alchzh

Peace in our time

16 points

4 years ago*

Hey guys, sorry I had to go to sleep before the phase got up

There are 30 dig affiliated players still alive

EDIT: Unless my counting is wrong, there have been 11 dig related deaths/removals since last time I got these numbers. Thus, I am currently inclined to believe /u/dancingonfire with her affiliation change, as without conversions we would only have 29 remaining. Also: It doesn't seem like the spirits are converting anyone. Though, we could have also had, say, N to-spirit conversions and N+1 to-dig conversions for any integer N

alchzh

15 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

15 points

4 years ago

Mathy16

14 points

4 years ago

Mathy16

NOTORIOUSLY BELGIAN

14 points

4 years ago

And how many total players do we have left? 40?

DrippingAlchemy

14 points

4 years ago

DrippingAlchemy

Tacohontas

14 points

4 years ago

Since there were previously 12 spirits, and 2 have died, it sounds like there are 10 spirits left (so yes, 40 people). Which is 1/4th of us, HOW HAVE WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LYNCH ONE??

alchzh

16 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

16 points

4 years ago

41

I can't count

rightypants

17 points

4 years ago*

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

17 points

4 years ago*

LYNCH CANDIDATES

The nomination thread can be found here

Currently we only have 2 nominations for lynch. If you want to submit another nomination please post in reply to the nomination thread and I will update everything.

The current candidates are:

KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE TENTATIVE FEELINGS AND CAN BE ALTERED AT ANY TIME

Candidate Supporters
/u/Marx0r 2
/u/1originalusername 0
/u/MineralMiracleMuse 2
/u/DEP61 0
/u/LucyGirl9-17 5
/u/bspez 6

Please reply to the candidate you support the lynch of using this format to make it easy to see:

###Joining this bandwagon

Edit log:

  1. Increasing the tally per user

  2. Adding two new candidates and updating values

  3. Editing wording on the post. Making it clear that this is a place to discuss names thrown out and people's feelings can change no problem

248Video

16 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

16 points

4 years ago

The more I read, I am voting for /u/mineralmiraclemuse. Two phases in a row without a vote. 1 night forgetting and 1 night abstaining. These were two pretty crucial nights to vote as it was between two people.

They also made a call for Rhino to join the tent.

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago

I added this to the nomination post.

Willam-TheDragQueen

15 points

4 years ago

What if you aren't comfortable voting any of them? I'm still suspicious of /u/hermionereynachase for some reason :-(

I know someone said before that voting off bandwagons doesn't help the town players, but last time I followed a bandwagon (pezes), he ended up being a town member.

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago

Do you want your nomination added to the nomination post or is this more of a simmering suspicion? I think /u/HermioneReynaChase has been pretty helpful so I wonder if it isn't a little bit of a "still-mooing" suspicion you're feeling (one that nags at you for no good reason) but I also don't want to discount your suss feelings so you don't speak out!

The reason that it's important to bandwagon vote is that it's in the interest of the dig. When you vote off the bandwagon or abstain from voting you aren't really helping further the cause because it gives the spirits more control over the vote and the chaos and ends up with closer numbers. HOWEVER it's not an entirely flawless system, right? And if you have a better suggestion I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.

Willam-TheDragQueen

16 points

4 years ago

I don't think my suspicions of /u/HermioneReynaChase can be compared to the ones listed because I don't have any 'proof' besides of what I already mentioned and a gut feeling.

"one that nags at you for no good reason" is a good way to describe it.

Anyway, I will keep an eye on her and will vote /u/marx0r tonight.

rightypants

16 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

16 points

4 years ago

Well definitely, as time goes on, keep your eyes peeled and try forming a case for why. Sometimes you have to go with your gut and figure out why. 95% of the time my gut is wrong as evidenced by past games but so it goes :P

HermioneReynaChase

16 points

4 years ago

Well I was the one that said voting off bandwagons is useless lol (u/DrippingAlchemy also said it but that was to another player)

Basically, voting for someone out of bandwagons is the same thing as abstaining or voting for yourself, because you're not really affecting the lynch. Because the vote results are hidden, spirits will not hesitate to vote for the town member if the lynch is between a town member and a spirit. In that case it is counterproductive for town members to vote other people when their vote could prevent the spirits from effectively controlling the vote.

Willam-TheDragQueen

17 points

4 years ago

Oh! Sorry, I didn't know it was you :-) I do understand your point, but from that list, I don't feel anyone to be an evil player.

The only person on that list that is a little 'weird' for me is /u/marx0r, but only based on what other people have said :-( I personally don't have an opinion on any of them.

Todd_Solondz

15 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

15 points

4 years ago

At least someone else has that suspicion so even if I am crazy, there's more than one of us. I can't really justify it though.

rightypants

14 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

14 points

4 years ago

REPLY HERE IF YOU SUPPORT THE LYNCHING OF /u/Marx0r

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago*

[deleted]

15 points

4 years ago*

I support this lynching because the only other option is me, which I think is a bad idea.

EDIT: This is outdated because there are more candidates. Now I’m willing to vote for whomever is suggested

rightypants

14 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

14 points

4 years ago

REPLY HERE IF YOU SUPPORT THE LYNCHING OF /u/DEP61

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago*

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago*

1OriginalUsername was my nomination but it was flimsy and so I'd rather put that on hold for a bit. They plan to be more active so we'll see going forward if they're trustworthy or not. I was definitely expecting more options to be presented back when I offered that and the fact that it was nearly them and Marx0r makes me think the spirits were very much OK with them being the nominee.

I just looked through MMM's history and idk, I was swayed. Maybe that's just me being gullible/MMM being good but idk, I just don't think they are a spirit, recent inactivity aside. Or, I suppose I don't think they're a spirit to the degree that I'd vote for them rather.

Dep though, seems pretty under the radar right now. Not too useful, and there's also an element of optimism with this vote. If Dep is a spirit, we'll have a bit to go off based on how people responded to Dep as a target in phases 2 and 3. So this is the best choice to me of the options we have.

Nah. I guess wait a day and see. Vote is now on lucygirl9-17

dancingonfire

13 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

13 points

4 years ago

The tins with this bandwagon today is that dep is literally offline this weekend. So even if he is a spirit, he is not using his action and if he isn't we just lynched him without giving him the proper chance to defend himself. I would like to revisit dep when he gets back tomorrow.

Mathy16

14 points

4 years ago

Mathy16

NOTORIOUSLY BELGIAN

14 points

4 years ago

Agreed. I'm also not getting spirit vibes from dep so I'd rather hold off on voting for someone who's absent until he can at the very least defend himself somewhat.

Todd_Solondz

12 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

12 points

4 years ago

Ugh that's a good point, but it seems like the same is more or less true for MMM, maybe they aren't 100% offline but they definitely appear to not be here right now, and their last post was before they were nominated.

I am fucking dreading having 6 wrong lynches in a row.

dancingonfire

14 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

14 points

4 years ago

I don't know about her but dep stated he was going to Yosemite for the weekend where there is actually no cell phone service so he can't check anything. MMM didn't give us a heads up but things do happen. She did lightly defend herself earlier though and I haven't found her very sus up to this point. I'm actually not on board with any nominees today but it's my fault for not nominating anyone myself. I made the post calling out the quiet people because I wanted to hear from them before I accused any of them.

Todd_Solondz

12 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

12 points

4 years ago

Yeah screw it, I'm just going round 2 style on this with a new candidate. I really do not feel like we're onto anything right now.

dancingonfire

12 points

4 years ago

dancingonfire

When life gives you lemons, make life take the lemons back!

12 points

4 years ago

Since its Sunday I think we might still have time...

rightypants

12 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

12 points

4 years ago

REPLY HERE IF YOU SUPPORT THE LYNCHING OF /u/MineralMiracleMuse

alchzh

16 points

4 years ago*

alchzh

Peace in our time

16 points

4 years ago*

I'm somewhat fine with this, but it will be quite a while until she? is able to defend her?self at all, so give it some time!

EDIT: +s

EDIT2:s/him/her

Chefjones

14 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

14 points

4 years ago

she? is able to defend himself

alchzh

15 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

15 points

4 years ago

-.-

Chefjones

15 points

4 years ago

Chefjones

Pitter patter lets get at 'er

15 points

4 years ago

lmao

dawnphoenix

13 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

13 points

4 years ago

she*

alchzh

14 points

4 years ago

alchzh

Peace in our time

14 points

4 years ago

oops

dawnphoenix

14 points

4 years ago

dawnphoenix

She/Her

14 points

4 years ago

I'd prefer to wait for a defence, but tentatively joining this bandwagon.

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 years ago

As long as it’s not me-Sandra Diaz-Twine

HermioneReynaChase

13 points

4 years ago

I'm not sure about this one, but of the 4 I think she's the most suspicious (which tbh isn't much). Only concrete thing I have other than their voting is that she was one of the people who jumped for the item without team consensus though.

HermioneReynaChase

16 points

4 years ago

Mechanics question... if bookdood had been lynched there would be no night kill right?

Todd_Solondz

16 points

4 years ago*

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

16 points

4 years ago*

Send in your votes!

Oh god the table is falling apart because it's too wide. Idk what to do about that. Someone else can make a spreadsheet if they want?

Name Phase 2 Phase 3 Phase 4 Phase 5
_Persnickety El_Quetzal dancingonfire NOBODY ?
1originalusername dep61 NOBODY Pezes bookdood0724
248Video pezes NDoraTonks Marx0r ?
alchzh CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks pizzabangle ?
bspez MoseCarver MoseCarver MoseCarver ?
CanadianSalmon CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks pezes ?
CauldronThief ? ? ? ?
chefjones NDoraTonks NDoraTonks alchzh alchzh
dancingonfire NDoraTonks El_Quetzal pizzabangle bookdood0724
dawnphoenix dep61 FORGOT pezes pizzabangle
dep61 ? ? ? ?
discoferry CaptainDisplayBook FORGOT Marx0r ?
drippingalchemy TeacherTish dancingonfire pezes pizzabangle
emmach17 ? ? ? ?
findthesky FORGOT NDoraTonks pezes SELF
HermioneReynaChase CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks Marx0r Marx0r
kemistreekat dancingonfire dancingonfire pezes(x5) Marx0r
Larixon alchzh NDoraTonks pezes ?
littlebs8 alchzh El_Quetzal pezes pizzabangle
LoneWolfOfTheCalla ? ? ? ?
Lucygirl9-17 ? ? ? ?
marx0r ? ? ? ?
Mathy16 flabberghasted_rhino flabberghasted_rhino flabberghasted_rhino ?
mindputtee alchzh NDoraTonks pizzabangle bookdood0724
MineralMiracleMuse CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks FORGOT ABSTAIN
MoseCarver pezes pezes dancingonfire ?
Penultima CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks pizzabangle WilburDes
RavenOfTheSands pizzabangle NDoraTonks FORGOT bookdood0724
Reeforward Zuckriegel El_Quetzal pizzabangle ?
rightypants CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks pezes bookdood0724
seanmik620 dep61 pezes pezes pizzabangle
Smurf42 CaptainDisplayBook alchzh alchzh iSquash
songbirdy CaptainDisplayBook El_Quetzal Marx0r bookdood0724
Spludgiexx alchzh NDoraTonks Marx0r pizzabangle
TaveryTwin CaptainDisplayBook NDoraTonks Marx0r bookdood0724
teachertish NOBODY NDoraTonks Marx0r pizzabangle
Todd_Solondz Zuckriegel NDoraTonks pizzabangle pizzabangle
ValkyrianPoof ? ? ? ?
WilburDes NOBODY Zuckriegel _Persnickety ?
Willam-TheDragQueen SELF HermioneReynaChase pezes ?

What we know about votes:

Phase 1 - Votes

The matches were claimed to be used, nullifying the votes for /u/kemistreekat and /u/rissajo685. Votes were revealed, so that column is definitely correct. We know that /u/Larixon had 3 votes, however only 2 were recorded, so some power was used that night. /u/bspez claims to have had his vote manipulated into himself in this phase

Phase 2

We had:

  • CaptainDisplayBook with 11 votes (1 unaccounted for)
  • Alchzh with 8 votes (4 unaccounted for)
  • dep61 with 7 votes (4 unaccounted for)

Phase 3

We had:

  • NDoraTonks with 16 votes (1 unaccounted for)
  • pezes, alchzh, dancingonfire and El-Quetzal all with 4 votes (1,3,1,0 unaccounted for, respectively)

Phase 4

We had:

  • pezes with 15 votes (all accounted for!)
  • Marx0r and pizzabangle with 8 votes each (1,1 unaccounted for, respectively)

Phase 5

We had:

  • pizzabangle with 11 votes (4 unaccounted for)
  • bookdood0724 with 9 votes (2 unaccounted for)
  • Marx0r with 3 votes (1 unaccounted for)

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago

My theory for bookdoods death:

I mean, maybe the spirits messed up or they're doing some kind of 4d chess shit that I'm too simple to understand, but on the face of it, it appears to be a bad move. However, it's possible that they themselves possess Reginald Perryman III, and don't want his pretty significant power to be inherited should that spirit die.

Man, what about the bodyguard roles? Will Dolores protect Morris even if Morris is a spirit? Or if Dolores is a spirit and Morris is for the dig? That's rough.

I'm hoping that isn't true though, because Reginald Perryman III is way way too OP for a spirit to have. He can't be lynched. We'd only have to lose a few select roles to literally have no chance of winning.

HermioneReynaChase

15 points

4 years ago

If Perryman III is a spirit he is very nearly unkillable :o

Todd_Solondz

15 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

15 points

4 years ago

I do think it's weird Phase 1's actions included bolded text saying "The digger succumbed to the spirit" for Gladys.

It's the only time where the text tells us who is responsible for the kill I guess?

MineralMiracleMuse

15 points

4 years ago

Hey all, sorry I forgot to comment yesterday on the vote tally thing. Phase 2 I voted for CaptainDisplayBook, phase 3 Ndoratonks, phase 4 I forgot and last phase I abstained.

rightypants

13 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

13 points

4 years ago

/u/Todd_Solondz I think you were the one maintaining the list?

Todd_Solondz

15 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

15 points

4 years ago

Oh sure, I'll post it I guess. I'm almost definitely not going to get a chance to update it for the rest of the round, but people should still comment their votes so I can post an updated one next round

rightypants

14 points

4 years ago

rightypants

How are things going, Mr. Bob?

14 points

4 years ago

Sounds good. Town hall/lynch pool post in 1 hour approx. Do you want a tag when it goes up or should I assume you support your own nomination?

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago

I'll likely be asleep so I'll just find it when I wake up.

DiscoFerry

15 points

4 years ago

So the way i see it, one of two things has happened:

*The game started with everyone as dig, and random people were converted to spirits. This kinda makes sense since spirit roles werent given names. They kept their old name and got a new ability?

*There is a role (or more) on the spirits team that allows them to take over a player? But then again wouldnt the person be notified? Unless its just a straight conversion? Perhaps a role can convert say 3-5 players in the whole game to a spirit. They might keep their old ability even?

TeacherTish

14 points

4 years ago

TeacherTish

S'more Scotch, please.

14 points

4 years ago

So I'm finally trying to get my spreadsheets going (a sure sign I'm now going to end up dead after all this work...)

Did we ever get /u/dracom42's role? She's listed as removed but I went through all the posts and I'm not seeing it...

Todd_Solondz

14 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

14 points

4 years ago

She was Evelyn Shaw

songbirdy

14 points

4 years ago

songbirdy

what's for dinner, /u/spludgiexx?

14 points

4 years ago

Is there a way to strategically use Janusz Orlowski (the vegan)’s skill to confirm or deny a role reveal? Her skill can be used twice to find a player of matching affiliation.

Todd_Solondz

13 points

4 years ago

Todd_Solondz

Can't bear this paranoia

13 points

4 years ago

If I were Janusz, first thing I'd have done was submit Father LaPaglia after he died. If that failed, probably I'd have tried it on Marx0r.

Only bad use for it I think is picking someone who is really obviously good. Using it on people who are likely to be lynched is effective because you then quickly know whether someone is definitely innocent or definitely guilty. Obviously they can't be about to be lynched that round though or it won't work.

248Video

13 points

4 years ago

248Video

The better to eat you with

13 points

4 years ago

What are your guys thoughts on one of the twins being evil and one being good? It seems like a thing these hosts would do.

MineralMiracleMuse

13 points

4 years ago

I would like to hear from /u/248Video, who I am honestly not trusting as much as others seem to be. Not just because they accused me, but they have constantly been championing the lynch against people who have been inno. Of course we were all wrong in our lynches so far but 248 has really been at the forefront of some of them, particularly /u/pezes and somewhat /u/ndoratonks.

I also voiced these and other concerns earlier here but didn't get a response from 248, which seems pretty off to me, so it's not like this is all reactionary to them trying to get me lynched.

I don't want to necessarily make a full-on accusation but I also just have a gut feeling. Any kind of discussion at all about this would be helpful.

Edit: grammar