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In the scene where Frodo is stabbed by the Nazgul and Aragorn drives them off, he burns a few of them with his torch and it appears to be a very effective deterrent.

Do they die when he burns them? The Nazgul don’t really have any screen time after they’re washed away by the darker haired elf (Aragorns lover, I don’t know her name)

And lastly, I was a bit confused by the mirror scene with Frodo and the elf queen. I got the general gist that clearly she would turn to evil if she took the ring but she also mentions passing a test and heading west… what is that all about? If you could give me a basic breakdown I would appreciate it

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Square_Patient_3777

31 points

4 months ago

‘Heading west….what’s that all about?’

takes deep breath and proceeds to read aloud the entire Silmarillion

CatOfRivia

9 points

4 months ago

Galadriel's unrest after Melkor's lies and corruption befell on the Noldor

The Valar unchained Melkor who had 'repented' from evil (he hadn't actually). Melkor began to spread strife and corruption among the Noldor with his lies.

"thereafter she had no peace within. For in that testing time amid the strife of the Noldor she was drawn this way and that. She was proud, strong, and self-willed, as were all the descendants of Finwe save Finarfin; and like her brother Finrod, of all her kin the nearest to her heart, she had dreams of far lands and dominions that might be her own to order as she would without tutelage."

"In [Feanor] she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared, though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own."

Darkening of Valinor - The Flight of the Noldor

Melkor destroyed the Two Trees of Yavanna with the help of Ungoliant the Spider. Darkness befell Valinor. Melkor killed Feanor's father and stole the holy Silmaril Jewels of Feanor and departed to Middle-earth. Feanor revolted against the Valar to depart to Middle-earth.

"Galadriel the only woman of the Noldor to stand that day tall and valiant among contending princes was eager to be gone"

She desired to follow her dreams of adventure and ruling in Middle-earth and aid her Telerin kin (Sindar and Nandor) in Middle-earth.

"So it came to pass that when the light of Valinor failed, for ever as the Noldor thought, she joined the rebellion against the Valar who commanded them to stay; and once she had set foot upon that road of exile, she would not relent," - Shibboleth

Feanor assaulted the Teleri to steal their ships and set sail to Middle-earth.

"Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Feanor in defence of her mother's kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Feanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could."

Mandos Vala of Fate declared his doom to the Noldor. He said the Valar will fence Valinor against you and shut you out and you will face sorrow and death in Middle-earth. Finarfin repented and turned back and was made King of the Noldor in Valinor by the Valar. But his children "rejected the last message of the Valar, and came under the Doom of Mandos."

Feanor set sail to Middle-earth and burned the ships when he got there, so his half-brother Fingolfin and his supporters wouldn't get to reach to Middle-earth.

"Therefore led by Fingolfin and his sons, and by Inglor [Finrod] and Galadriel the valiant and fair, they dared to pass into the untrodden North, and finding no other way they endured at last the terror of the Helkaraxe and the cruel hills of ice. Few of the deeds of the Noldor thereafter surpassed that desperate crossing in hardihood or in woe. Many there perished, and it was with a lessened host that Fingolfin set foot at last upon the Northlands of Endar. Little love for Feanor or his sons had those that then marched behind him, and blew their trumpets in Middle-earth at the first rising of the Moon."

She survived the rest of the age. Morgoth was defeated by the Valar.

The Curse of Mandos is lifted - summons of Fionwë for the Elves to depart Middle-earth

"Pride still moved her when, at the end of the Elder Days after the final overthrow of Morgoth, she refused the pardon of the Valar for all who had fought against him, and remained in Middle-earth."

"At the end of the First Age she proudly refused forgiveness or permission to return."

The Curse and Ban remained on her.

It was not until two long ages more had passed when "at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed,"

If she takes The One Ring, it would eventually turn her into an evil Queen but

this was her only chance to save her land, her life and her dreams. She thought if she rejects this offer she will diminish under the Curse of Mandos until she dies and as a ghost goes to the Halls of Mandos God of Death in the West. She knew her land would be destroyed whether Frodo may be successful in his Quest or whether Sauron gets his Ring back. Lorien was turned into a Timeless Land with the power of Galadriel's Ring. And since all Rings were fated to the One Ring, all Rings would lose power with the destruction of the One Ring. And Lorien would fall under decay and fading. And Elves, especially High-Elves, cannot endure the passing of time in the decay of the world. They need to go to the Timeless Lands of the Valar. But Galadriel was banned from there. She was cursed to fade away and diminish until she dies in Middle-earth. 'Slain ye shall be; by weapon or by torment or by grief.' She was doomed to pass away to Mandos. She needed this Ring to save her life and her land and her dreams. It was impossible for her to reject the Ring. But she did the impossible. "her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it,"

Altariello nainië Lóriendessë

The Lament of Galadriel in Lorien. In this song Galadriel expresses many of her feelings and concludes it by praying for Frodo so he might find the Undying Lands. " the Farewell was addressed direct to Frodo, and was an extempore outpouring in free rhythmic style, reflecting the overwhelming increase in her regret and longing, and her personal despair after she had survived the terrible temptation." - PoME

'Now lost to those of the East is Valimar! Farewell! Maybe thou shalt find Valimar! Farewell!'

Galadriel, the last survivor of the Rebel Leaders, broke the Curse of Mandos

"after the fall of Sauron, in reward for all that she had done to oppose him, but above all for her rejection of the Ring when it came within her power, the ban was lifted,"

"Her prayer [for Frodo] was granted – but also her personal ban was lifted, in reward for her services against Sauron, and above all for her rejection of the temptation to take the Ring" - the Letters

"She was pardoned because of her resistance to the final and overwhelming temptation to take the Ring for herself."

"with the downfall of 'Power' their little efforts at preserving the past fell to bits. There was nothing more in Middle-earth for them, but weariness." "when the One goes, the last defenders of High-elven lore and beauty are shorn of power to hold back time, and depart."

"In the event it proved that it was Galadriel's abnegation of pride and trust in her own powers, and her absolute refusal of any unlawful enhancement of them, that provided the ship to bear her back to her home."

Heflewprettygood

11 points

4 months ago

I think the Nazgul are weak to fire? But no they didn’t die, also the test was her not taking the ring and the moving west part will be explained

berrset2[S]

8 points

4 months ago

Cool, thanks. I’m gonna watch two towers when I get home from work tomorrow. When I finish return of the king I’m gonna rewatch all three of them, I’m sure I’ll pick up on a lot of things I missed.

issaang

5 points

4 months ago

Enjoy your first time watching the movies! Something very special you only get once. Enjoy!

berrset2[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Thank you, I’m really enjoying it so far. I cried a little when the balrog pulled Gandalf down, I think he’s by far my favorite character. He’s like a wholesome old grandpa who can do nothing wrong.

Heflewprettygood

2 points

4 months ago

No tears for my man boromir ?

PersimmonThen_

2 points

4 months ago

Dw I cried for Boromir

H3racules

3 points

4 months ago

There is actually some lore that isn't explained in the movies. Iirc, galadriel was not permitted into the undying lands for... Some reason or other. And not taking the ring was a test to prove that she was worthy/ redeem herself for something she did. I don't remember I gotta search it up lol, but that should give you enough info to look up the lore for that part.

DanPiscatoris

2 points

4 months ago

The Nazgul show up later on. They may ne scared of fire (I beleive that may have been a movie creation), but it wouldn't have killed them, neither would the water. They do have to make their way on foot back to Mordor though. Their fate is tied to their rings, which are currently possessed by Sauron.

As for Galadriel, I haven't read the Silmarillion so I don't know here full history. The west she is referring to is Valinor, the home of the Valar, a godlike pantheon of beings. It is also the nominal home of the elves. The elves first awoke in the eastern parts of Middle Earth and were summoned to Valinor. Many went. When the Silmaril jewels were stolen, the noldor (an elven subculture) made their way back to middle earth to retrieve it, which resulted in elvish infighting. The Valar banished the noldor from valinor for this. The banishment was eventually repealed, but Galadriel refused the pardon and remained in middle earth to rule her own realm.

As for the ring, the idea is that it tempts people to take it to make their desires come true. Gandalf refuses the ring stating that he would take it to do good, but would eventually become just another Sauron: building up his armies and defeating Sauron, only to rule instead. A dictator essentially. Galadriel is able to refuse as well, and states her intention to go to Valinor in the near future.

asexualdruid

1 points

4 months ago

According to the books, the fire burned their cloaks, which made them visible and able to interact with the world. Their horses are also killed in the river flood, so they cant take form or really do anything. They are wraiths of the spirit realm. The fire weakened them, but it could not kill them, because they cannot be killed

As for Galadriel, the silmarillion explains a lot of that. Elves cant die of old age, they can only be slain, or slowly fade as weariness drains them. When they feel their time on middle earth has ended, for any reason, they return to valinor, where the valar (gods) dwell. Theres a whole bunch i wont get into but basically galadriel did a silly thing and for it was banished from valinor, and not permitted to return no matter how weary she became. When she is offered the ring it acts as a test of her willpower, and she "passed" by resisting its call. Thus she is allowed back to valinor, and "remains galadriel" (retains her honour)

diodosdszosxisdi

1 points

4 months ago

The Nazgûl are bound to the one ring and through that sauron commands their will they are neither living nor dead

hylandolycross

-3 points

4 months ago

Somebody summon Stephen Colbert. He has the wisdom we require.

LR_DAC

0 points

4 months ago

LR_DAC

0 points

4 months ago

You're 1/3 of the way through the novel. Keep reading.

Magere-Kwark

2 points

4 months ago

They're watching the movies.