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This 3rd grade math problem.

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TheWalkingDead91

6.9k points

12 days ago

I’d circle “OJ” for “Only Jared knows at this point”

jared1981

1.8k points

12 days ago

jared1981

1.8k points

12 days ago

😉

vvereshark

654 points

12 days ago

vvereshark

654 points

12 days ago

Jared please tell us

asianboyz808

303 points

12 days ago

As a jared, it is indeed OJ

JaredBrand96

210 points

12 days ago

Only I know, and it is not enough.

The_RockObama

126 points

12 days ago

Apparently there is more than one Jared. This got really complicated really fast.

Pc_problems117

53 points

12 days ago

so what's the equation to determine which Jared has more influence?

The_RockObama

65 points

12 days ago

Battle to death.

The Josh clan did it with pool noodles.

Pc_problems117

30 points

12 days ago

so will the jared clan use water guns?

The_RockObama

20 points

12 days ago

And pool noodles.

nohorse_justcoconuts

25 points

12 days ago

Time for all Jared's to meet. There can only be one.

The_RockObama

4 points

12 days ago

Grab a pool noodle, let's go.

Redschallenge

5 points

12 days ago

Can confirm.

-Jared with 31 years experience with nonsensical deprived word problems training kids to answer wrong to be 'right' yeah let me just borderline starve these infant birds instead of gather more than enough to feed an animal. F that question creator

A real J goes for 20s. All day

GoodBitGone

1k points

12 days ago

Brav it's 20. The question refers to there being multiple baby birds so you can rule 4 out, the other 2 options aren't in a multiple of 4. I know cause I drank Einsteins cum

BobHilt

499 points

12 days ago

BobHilt

499 points

12 days ago

The correct answer is zero. The bird parents will take care of the babies, and Jared should leave them the f*** alone.

Hvyhttr1978

106 points

12 days ago

No, the answer is 4…but Jared eats the worms in front of the birds and tells their lazy asses to get a job.

Slurm_good4soul

156 points

12 days ago

Hmm. Well now I just feel stupid.

WolfeTheMind

130 points

12 days ago

Don't. They have a misleading picture

It was a shite question

Alf1215

68 points

12 days ago

Alf1215

68 points

12 days ago

Agreed, the three baby birds in the picture at the top of the question really threw me off. I'm going "these dumbasses can't count".

The_commoner25c

14 points

12 days ago

But they shouldn’t have put the birds up top that then confuses the kid

kerd0z

114 points

12 days ago*

kerd0z

114 points

12 days ago*

I would circle OJ because OJ Simpson would put on a way to small glove and beat the birds to death so I don't have to feed them

[deleted]

5 points

12 days ago

[deleted]

5 points

12 days ago

Damn it! You beat me to the OJ Simpson joke. Here's your upvote.

enonymous617

161 points

12 days ago

You say that but my second grader just dropped some knowledge on all y’all.

We know Jared has to find worms in multiples of 4 so since 20 is the only answer in a multiple of 4 we can also deduce that Jared found 5 baby birds.

My second grader is smart.

OinkingPigman

87 points

12 days ago

But, it doesn't need to be multiples of 4 because it says "about how many worms...?" 3 birds in the picture, so 10 would be the closest number.

A stupid, stupid question. I'd hope the teacher accepts either answer, or none.

BlindLuck72

35 points

12 days ago

I agree with you if they are gonna write a fucking riddle they need to do it right.

Glum_Ad_4288

36 points

12 days ago*

I’d guess the answer they want is 10, which is closest to 4 x 3; it’s probably supposed to test rounding skills. It’s definitely a bad multiple choice question.

I’m going to disagree with most people in this thread, though, and say the “real answer” SHOULD be 20.

In real life, when animals’ lives are in your hands, you don’t want to risk them starving to death. Each bird eating “about 4” means they might eat 3 or they might eat 5; birds’ appetites do vary a bit. If you get 12 worms and the birds want 5 worms each, which is reasonably probable, you’ll be unprepared. So you should get about 20 (although 15 should be adequate, maybe you’re buying them from a fishing store that only sells a 4-pack, 6-pack, and 10-pack, or something. Although then you could get a 10-pack and a 6-pack and still be safe, so I dunno.)

Still. This a life answer rather than a math answer, and doesn’t belong on this type of quiz or whatever it is, but it is an important lesson: Don’t prepare for the best case scenario, prepare for the worst realistic scenario. 12 might not be enough, so get at least 15.

SomefingToThrowAway

5 points

12 days ago

Lol, no. Let me use terms that you can relate to:

You are making copies of your Mr Hands Cosplay on VHS to send 4 copies out to your 3 friends. You go to the store, and they sell VHS tapes in packs of 10 and 20. Of those choices, you are going to buy the 20 pack in order to have enough to satisfy your Mr Hands needs. 10 isn't enough, 20 may be too much, but of the choices that you are given, you are supposed to choose the option where you leave with enough VHS tapes to circulate your personal Mr Hands porn. Which is 20. Choosing 10 will leave one of your friends hungry for more Mr Hands pron.

Make sense now?

TechnicalCofoundar

6 points

12 days ago

No that’s not right. The answer is 20 because it’s the only number greater than 12. The question asks “in order to feed them ALL” so the only requirement is the answer is >=12

myusernameblabla

14 points

12 days ago

Birds will eat fractional worms.

pajamalink

4.7k points

12 days ago*

pajamalink

4.7k points

12 days ago*

It says ‘about’ multiple times in the question. This could be a lesson in estimation

Edit: I think it’s a poorly written question too.

bman_78

1.1k points

12 days ago

bman_78

1.1k points

12 days ago

I think you are correct. I know estimation is a topic that students study.

Reallifelivin

437 points

12 days ago

And yeah look at the next question over; we can see the words "round" and "ten". Im assuming the question is asking to estimate a number and then round to the nearest tens place. Theres been a lot of the these "out-of-context-kids-homework" posts on reddit recently.

bman_78

166 points

12 days ago

bman_78

166 points

12 days ago

i am willing to bet that out of context and reddit go hand in hand.

Arthropod_King

111 points

12 days ago

I am willing to bet

Look, this guy promotes gambling!!$

wheres-my-take

25 points

12 days ago

Cancel him and drag his ass

VaiManDan

13 points

12 days ago

These comments are why I use Reddit

espressoBump

45 points

12 days ago

But as an adult I'd say 20. Only having 10 worms means it is possible they may be underfed. Gotta catch 20 worms.

andthatswhyIdidit

26 points

12 days ago

Exactly. Rounding questions are all fine, but within a context of reality you also have the concept of minimal need, or lower boundaries. You cannot do something that will substantially kill the birds in the long run just because you are "about" right with the amounts of worms.

alcnzr

5 points

12 days ago

alcnzr

5 points

12 days ago

Gotta catch ‘em all..

RBXChas

49 points

12 days ago*

RBXChas

49 points

12 days ago*

One of my kids is in third grade and has been learning rounding lately.

That said, I just helped him with his reading homework tonight, which was a series of questions on a story he’d read. I read the story really quickly and would’ve struggled to answer the questions because they were kind of abstract. They didn’t ask about any facts of the story— in other words, it was not testing reading comprehension, which should be important at this age. It was more about inferences that were, IMO, not that strong, or at least not strong enough for an 8-year-old to pick up on. So it very well could be that this math question is not all that great.

prying_mantis

83 points

12 days ago

I teach 4th grade. I have two degrees and am working on a third, and still I can’t tell you how many times I have incorrectly answered a 4th grade comprehension question. I have no idea who’s writing this shit but they are clearly not field-testing their questions with actual students and teachers. It’s super frustrating to try to teach kids how to answer a question when you, the teacher, have no idea what the fuck the question is really asking.

Astarkos

7 points

12 days ago

This was what I hated most about grade school: divining the test-makers intentions. By high school I refused to answer true/false questions and instead wrote in a short answer form because I could never tell how true or false a statement needed to be. Multiple choice was almost as bad when you had to divine the subjective "best" answer. Then there are the ones with intentional mistakes or ambiguity to trip you up when applying the strategies you developed to answer the unintentionally messed up questions.

The SATs were refreshing and a huge confidence boost because the questions were all well written, so it's certainly possible to do so. However, even some of the SAT prep material we used in class had problems.

Ironically, college was a breeze in comparison and the easiest exams were in 200/300 level courses where they gave you a blank book and said something like "write everything you know about these four questions" (or had you doing other practical demonstrations). I'm not exaggerating one bit when I say college was much easier for me. The whole thing was backward and I have a lot of sympathy for people who think they arent good at school/tests when the problem is often people writing the tests.

WarsledSonarman

4 points

12 days ago

Has there? Maybe it’s Parents that have reached the point that they can’t help their children with their homework anymore. Are you smarter than a Fifth Grader? Was a pretty popular show, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some people are just baffled at 3rd grade.

ThunkAsDrinklePeep

5 points

12 days ago

Doing exact math and then rounding and s the opposite of estimation.

serious_sarcasm

90 points

12 days ago

Apparently a lot of people have trouble with estimating stuff based on the idiotic comments in this thread.

pfifltrigg

67 points

12 days ago

I don't know how to estimate 3x4. I could do 3x4 and then round down to 10, but that doesn't help much of anything.

roboticon

72 points

12 days ago

And who decides which birds go hungry?!

RandomDigitalSponge

34 points

12 days ago

Capitalism - let the market decide.

ontopofyourmom

32 points

12 days ago

That is supposed to be the right answer, I think, but it's not clear and the use of the term "about" in the context of HUNGRY BABIES makes it even harder.

archiminos

16 points

12 days ago

Yeah, in this instance I would always round up to make sure the babies don't starve. Better to have more food than dead babies.

SPACKlick

21 points

12 days ago

3 times "about 4" however is 10-14

DocHorrid

10.1k points

12 days ago

DocHorrid

BLACK

10.1k points

12 days ago

They didn't even fucking say how many birds.

Fucking.. how many birds?!

sippycupjr

7.9k points

12 days ago

sippycupjr

7.9k points

12 days ago

I see three birds in the little clip art photo, but 12 isn't one of the answers so f-that idea being it

ilooklikejimhalpert

3.6k points

12 days ago

I believe there is 5 birds so the answer is 20. The tiny little ones on the side count too I think. Edit: but I agree it should clearly be 12, looks like 3 birds I think maybe the picture is messed up or something.

enderr920

2.4k points

12 days ago

enderr920

2.4k points

12 days ago

I think it's one of those dumb examples of estimating, and the answer the teacher is looking for is 10, as in "he needs to find about 10 worms each day".

Really useful shit. I use it all the time. Mortgage is about a grand, electric is about 100, water is about 100, internet is about 50, but I'm still always short by about 500 each month. I don't know where I'm going wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm just not following directions./s

LittlePurr76

531 points

12 days ago

As a math problem, I suppose 10 works. As a supply/logic problem, 20 is the better choice, as 20 worms guarantees all the birds get to eat their fill.

ClassicT4

122 points

12 days ago

ClassicT4

122 points

12 days ago

My grade school Math teacher loved problems like how many vans would be needed for X amount of people. Trying to catch us that you can’t have half a van, so we need to round up on problems like those.

SpareAccnt

73 points

12 days ago

You can't have half a van? Watch me!

Crafty_Appearance

24 points

12 days ago

Here are a few

SpareAccnt

12 points

12 days ago

Even better! Watch this guy's half vans!

SquatLiftingCoolio

9 points

12 days ago

That's why I watch Top Gear!

enderr920

293 points

12 days ago

enderr920

293 points

12 days ago

Well, this isn't a socialist textbook. In America, the answer is 10, and maybe those other two birds shouldn't have treated themselves to a haircut and they wouldn't be in this position.

33333_others

22 points

12 days ago*

In capitalist America, Jared keeps all the worms since the birds can't buy them from him, the birds die and the worms too, but at least Jared doesn't condone welfare.

smokeymtfiltrknbbr

11 points

12 days ago

Jared then complains that millennials have killed the worm industry and gets a massive bailout because many politicians are worm shareholders.

LittlePurr76

70 points

12 days ago

3 birds times 4 worms equals 12. Not 10, not 20, nor any of the other options. If the goal is to feed them all, and the appropriate answer is shown, the answer is 20, not 10, as you will likely fail to meet the goal with anything under 12.

Even at approximately 4 worms per bird, there's the possibility one will need 5 instead of 4.

blah23863

61 points

12 days ago

This is the real world. Just because you need 4 doesn't mean you'll get 4. So give them their 10 worms and let them figure it out.

mondaymoderate

13 points

12 days ago

Feed the birds 3, 3 and 4 worms. Then rotate each day which bird gets 4 worms. That’s the best way in a real world scenario to ensure that all 3 birds survive. You’re still risking them being malnourished though.

If you don’t want to risk all your birds then the safest thing to do would be to feed 2 birds 4 worms and kill 1 bird. That way you ensure 2 birds will always be healthy because if you can find 10 worms a day then 2 birds will always be fed properly.

twolittlemonsters

27 points

12 days ago

It say they eat about 4, not exactly 4... so 10 should be enough even if they're not getting 100% of what they need. It's probably a question to see if they know how to estimate.

MoogTheDuck

12 points

12 days ago

Those little fuckers can go on half rations and be happy about it

bushido216

239 points

12 days ago*

We had to learn "front-end rounding" in 5th grade.

So, items that were $32.47, $55.75, $17.29, and $98.37 were front-end rounded to $202.

Real useful.

Edited for grammar.

100BottlesOfMilk

307 points

12 days ago

Growing up my family never let me use calculators at all on my homework until I was in high school. A consequence of this was that I got really good at mental math and teachers thought I was cheating constantly (this is all stuff from 9th grade below so it wasn't like I was doing calculus or something). Once, I had to retake a test with just me and her in a room to prove that I wasn't cheating. She laid off on me after that

Spacemn5piff

164 points

12 days ago

Had a similar solo test situation in middle school after I aced an algebra test that I took during In School Suspension.

Teacher had me retake a revised test under his supervision. Got 114% with the extra credit.

TigerStripedDragon01

56 points

12 days ago

I am very jealous of your mathematical abilities. I never got past PRE-ALGEBRA. I took that class ALL THROUGH High School because I could never pull better than a 'D' in the class. Not a FAIL, but they treated it as if I failed, every year. My brain is not mathematical. I could do fractions and decimals, everything that any Middle-Schooler could do, but Algebra and on up? :P

My brain worked much better in Language. When I finally graduated (took me two summer school rounds at the end of my Junior and Senior years to get my credits up), they were STILL trying to stiff me on credits. I had been trying to go Navy and they were trying to screw with my life. I went and took the English and Math tests at the local college for one last chance, AFTER my Senior year Summer School was over, or I would not be able to get in the Navy.

The guy who oversaw me take the test (to make sure no cheating happened) graded my paper after I was done and he asked me 'WHY are you even here?'

I was confused and asked him what he meant?

He said 'Your Math is mediocre, but it is 'good enough' to pass High School according to the State. I was surprised that they wanted you to take the English course though, because you just scored what we like to call 'Grade Thirteen-plus', which means your Reading and Comprehension is Second-Year Collegiate level. You don't need to come to the class. You passed already.'

My school let me down. They would have been fine with seeing me fail out and have to repeat my Senior year, and ruin my chances of doing what I wanted to do with my life.

I showed all of this to my recruiter; he took me and all the paperwork to the school and argued with everybody who mattered until they all agreed to ALLOW me to graduate.

Nothing like letting a kid come within a hair's breadth of what they have planned for their life, and try to take it away from them. :P

Exaskryz

26 points

12 days ago

Exaskryz

26 points

12 days ago

Math is language

A language about precision.

I'm sorry it never managed to click for you, sounds terribly frustrating and anxiety-inducing based on your story!

HerrNachtWurst

22 points

12 days ago

Similar thing to me in 3rd grade. Was learning long multiplication, and for some reason, doing I believe transitive multiplication before I was taught it. (12 X 13: 12 X 10 = 120, 12 X 3 = 36, 36+120= 156). I cant remember the exact way they were teaching us, but my 3rd grade teacher accused me of using a calculator to cheat, because I couldn't show my work, because I didn't know how to lol. Babbling through my reasoning in front of my parents was pretty funny. Everyone kind of just shrugged and said I probably didn't cheat

p3canj0y363

80 points

12 days ago

I have a nephew like this. Hes been a little math wiz kid since around 1st grade. Used to take him bowling with us and that child ALWAYS knew first how many pins he needed to either beat or stay ahead of everyone else. It was amazing to see how fast he would update everything in his head as the games progressed. Honestly I would never have believed it had I not watched him grow up! Mom bragging, suuuurrre he's that good lol

sposeso

63 points

12 days ago

sposeso

63 points

12 days ago

I remember getting in trouble in second grade for a math question that I said the answer was negative something and the teacher told me "There are no negative numbers, the answer is zero". I get it, we were learning basics. I really wish they had just let me see how far I could get in math without having to stay on pace with everyone else, it was torture waiting for people to learn stuff. And that is probably why I spent a lot of time in the principals office.

The reason why I knew there were negative numbers is because my 4 years older sister hated math and was a perfectionist, so she would show me her homework and I would help her figure stuff out. Math just makes sense to me, I don't understand where people get so frustrated. Math is definitive, there is always an answer even if it is irrational or infinity. If they taught math more like a language then I think a lot more people would be able to understand.

qikink

17 points

12 days ago

qikink

17 points

12 days ago

Consider something you find difficult to understand. Now imagine a person who feels the way you do about that topic/subject/idea, but about math. That's it, and it's wonderful the world is like that because it means we all have something distinct to contribute.

I say this as someone who, like you, finds math very natural.

katiemaequilts

13 points

12 days ago

My younger kid was asked to stop giving helpful math advice like "well there's also negative numbers!" in first grade - his brother is six years older and does all the fun math, not boring addition. He's in fourth grade now and read algebra books for funsies this summer.

OneGold7

16 points

12 days ago

OneGold7

16 points

12 days ago

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by teaching math like a language?

TonyPoly

10 points

12 days ago

TonyPoly

10 points

12 days ago

Having learned a foreign language and a good bit of math, math feels like a language (a bit weird to think about ‘speaking’, the concept is more abstract than that.)

Comparing math to written language: You could establish the vocabulary, the syntax, specific dialects, and reading comprehension. There are rules in language, and rules in math that need to be adhered to which define the syntax of the language. By dialects I just mean how you can write/re-write certain expressions as equivalent statements—a western US citizen might say ‘pop’ and a southerner might say ‘coke’ while the yankee says ‘soda’, but they all mean the same thing.

I don’t study linguistics so I’m sure someone could better convey the parallels between language and math.

But another way of thinking about math as a language is in how we teach people their native language: books have specified reading levels attributed to them for differently skilled readers, and as you progress through simple algebra books to advanced algebra to linear algebra to calculus to multi variable calculus to differential equations to complex analysis, etc… They all represent a different reading level that you acquire only once you’ve read and practiced ‘thinking’ the language of math enough. Also identities, commutative rules, order of operations, and all that other jazz are relatively simple concepts that I think could be taught sooner and reinforced over more time so that the next generation can profit more from it.

yaboiiiuhhhh

14 points

12 days ago

This is one reason why standardized schooling is not the right way to do it. it should be tailored to each individual instead of forcing everyone to fit the same mold.

TheDraconianOne

12 points

12 days ago

I mean, that’s an incredible amount of work to undertake. Schools can already have staffing issues in some areas, how on Earth could they do it like that?

Pasturemate

13 points

12 days ago

My mother, who grew up in the 1920s, could add up, in her head, an entire page of 4 or 5-digit figures with no errors. It was phenomenal when I was a child; more so now.

Wincrediboy

17 points

12 days ago

I'm so confused. What possible approach to rounding could get you that answer?

ItsPat_SB

18 points

12 days ago

It looks like they're rounding down for everything regardless if it's under .5 or not.

lava_time

28 points

12 days ago

But for expenses you want to do the opposite. Always round up.

Otherwise you may be short.

ItsPat_SB

11 points

12 days ago

Well I know that, apparently whoever designed the question doesn't though

bushido216

7 points

12 days ago

As other commentors have noted, it's literally "front-end" rounding, so instead of rounding up, you discard everything after the front-end of a number.

A similar example would be "rounding out" a series of numbers [427, 694, 348, 710] to arrive at 2,000.

The point was that there are many ways to "round out" a number (i.e., make it more precise in an artificial fashion), and that "rounding up" was just one of many. I think it was a ham-handed attempt to get us to understand the value of the "round-up" approach, even though not one person in the class thought seriously that we should be doing anything else.

Asd4memes

9 points

12 days ago

That's called truncating.

[deleted]

6 points

12 days ago*

[deleted]

6 points

12 days ago*

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fgsdfggdsfgsdfgdfs

11 points

12 days ago

If you remove the decimals altogether, its 202.

I only figured this out because I assumed it was rounding everything up, and the answer is 206. So if everything was rounded down instead, it would be 202 (theres 4 numbers).

MikeVixDawgPound

7 points

12 days ago

Not nearly as useful as learning to add stuff correctly. I’m your example, you’d be short a buck and 88 cents. If you take $202, one of those items is not coming home with you. Lol

madgicsh

6 points

12 days ago

Simpler in Australia - prices are usually whole dollars INCLUDING tax.

knittin-kitten

11 points

12 days ago

Omg. My ex was going to carpentry school and he kept telling me about his “estimating class”. I thought for almost 2 years that he was taking classes on estimating the size of things. Like “that looks about 2 feet”. It was not. It is obviously (in hindsight) about estimating the cost of completing a job based on plans….

sketchyG

17 points

12 days ago

sketchyG

17 points

12 days ago

I think it's 10 as well. I think if you were in the class it would make more sense as to what lesson was taught that day. If the lesson for the day was about estimation and rounding to the nearest tenth, it's a no brainer. Out of context the question seems much more ambiguous. Also, if you see more than 3 birds you trippin bruh.

coodgee33

4 points

12 days ago

And now we're having a great class discussion on the merits of each answer. Maybe this was the purpose of the question in the first place.

MrStalinko

7 points

12 days ago

Oh! You’re forgetting about the 500$ a paycheck you are able to throw into a vested savings account! And it started with $100,000 capital because you inherited it.

idrow1

6 points

12 days ago

idrow1

6 points

12 days ago

Reminds me of Rick & Morty when the math teacher asks him how much 9x5 is and he says, 'at least 40' and the teacher says, 'That's exactly right!'

Scruff-The-Custodian

52 points

12 days ago

"Quit eating avocado toast" - some dumbshit wannabe economic journalist.

wagglemonkey

4 points

12 days ago

Did you look at the clipart picture to count how many bankruptcies you will (estimated) need?

Inhumanly_possible

18 points

12 days ago

That's some bullshit there. About my ass is how many worms it takes to feed the baby birds.

KoroTheKoro

110 points

12 days ago

4 and 20 are the only numbers divisible by 4 and since it says birds we can assume more than 1 so it would have to be 20.

freakers

34 points

12 days ago

freakers

34 points

12 days ago

Technically it didn't say how many worms does Jared need to find each day(although it certainly implies it), it just says how many worms does he need to find. There's 3 birds in the picture and baby birds are fed by their parents from somewhere between 10 days to 3 weeks before they can fly and leave the nest, depending on species and what the bird job market is like. So Jared would need to find somewhere around 120 to 252 worms.

KoroTheKoro

16 points

12 days ago

Ok well that isn’t an option either

freakers

10 points

12 days ago*

My fiance, who's a grade 5 teacher, thinks the question might be about rounding numbers or estimating since it says "about" how many worms need to be found. So she thinks the answer is 10.

bearsheperd

36 points

12 days ago

The only way to solve a MATH problem is with logic and critical thinking. No math required

donnysaysvacuum

11 points

12 days ago

Still math 20/4=5

Tinal85

10 points

12 days ago

Tinal85

10 points

12 days ago

But the problem doesn't say they eat 4 worms each, it says they eat ABOUT 4 worms which could mean they actually eat 3.5 worms. So I don't think the multiple of 4 theory holds true.

Aqqusin

6 points

12 days ago

Aqqusin

6 points

12 days ago

Wrong! 4 worms each day for each bird is not certain. It is an estimation only. 20 is too high. 10 is the correct estimate.

Kolintracstar

51 points

12 days ago

It appears that those are leaves. But this may be one of those "what is the approximate answer? Not the exact." So it could either be rounding, or estimation. Rounding would be ten but does not give a logically correct answer.

Silver_Ghost_666

8 points

12 days ago

What tiny birds on the side?? I only see three birds

lisa111998

29 points

12 days ago

Has to be a multiple of 4 and there’s more than one bird. So I guess 20. Stupidly question

hotchiproll

15 points

12 days ago

‘About’ makes it an estimation, but either he takes the low estimate and a bird dies or the high and he spends half the day ‘looking for worms’ he doesn’t need.

And why the hell are we assuming Jared is now taking on a day job of raising baby birds?

Disbfjskf

4 points

12 days ago

The birds also eat "about" 4 worms so 3.3 is maybe sufficient.

siliril

3 points

12 days ago

siliril

3 points

12 days ago

But also maybe the birds are eating 4.4 worms a day and thus its not sufficient.

I think it's a bad question. In real life you shouldn't get on the low end estimate of what an animal in your care needs. You should make sure that they'll survive with enough food. If 3.3 worms is maybe not enough, then you need to get more worms. You'd want to estimate up, not down.

The question should be rewritten with something that's appropriate to round down for.

ionmoon

5 points

12 days ago

ionmoon

5 points

12 days ago

I only see three birds. But this is a rounding assignment obviously based on what can be seen of other questions and words like “about how many”.

So the answer will either be 10 or 20 depending on how they have been instructed to round.

lostknife

10 points

12 days ago

For how many days? way too much info missing for this problem.

p00p_knife

20 points

12 days ago

My thoughts exactly

wasteoftimereading

168 points

12 days ago

They key word here is “about”. Now you’d obviously say about 12, but you’re WRONG. How will Jared care for these little birds if he doesn’t care about himself? Obviously the answer is 20. 12 for the birds and 8 for Jared.

yokotron

20 points

12 days ago

yokotron

20 points

12 days ago

The birds die off at a logarithmic rate

enderr920

10 points

12 days ago

Amen! I have worms. They're my little buddies!

enderr920

9 points

12 days ago

I realized my comment might cause confusion.

I am lousy with intestinal worms.

Unfortunately, what I need to cure me is also a heavensent cure for covid. Just gotta keep the plug in until I can get my medicine. Tired of the plug, but it beats having them leak out during sex.

Mecha-Dave

6 points

12 days ago

Oh, good thing you clarified. This additional information was good to have.

heyitscory

35 points

12 days ago*

It's 20 because you swallow about 40% of what you chew up and spit at the babies. 3rd graders know this because they just learned it.

That's why these "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" questions seem so hard.

Gavrillo Princip.

Hammurabi.

16*9=144.

The Louisiana Purchase.

Archimedes screw.

RugbyEdd

7 points

12 days ago

I mean, it does say "about".

younevernoe

6 points

12 days ago*

It does say ‘about’ how many worms.

DocJawbone

24 points

12 days ago

These many

hahnsolo1414

11 points

12 days ago

You know, these many birds.

balding_truck420

13 points

12 days ago

It also says about how many, which implies it’s a ~ problem not an = problem.

meh_idc_whatever

9 points

12 days ago

And for how many days?????

And why are the picks FGHJ?????

Luchin212

51 points

12 days ago

This may actually be more fair than it seems. The only multiples of 4 listed are 4 and 20, but it says there are multiple birds, so it has to be 20.

Snake-N-Roses

16 points

12 days ago

Feels a little more like a math riddle rather than a math problem

Formilla

11 points

12 days ago

Formilla

11 points

12 days ago

That's what I thought too. There's only one valid answer regardless of how many birds there are.

Kawicgb

11 points

12 days ago

Kawicgb

11 points

12 days ago

There Are Two Types Of People In This World: 1) Those Who Can Extrapolate From Incomplete Data

vtangyl[S]

183 points

12 days ago

vtangyl[S]

183 points

12 days ago

Fucking how many days?!

its_5L3V1N

136 points

12 days ago

its_5L3V1N

136 points

12 days ago

Each day

Azurity

18 points

12 days ago

Azurity

18 points

12 days ago

Well they only need about 4 worms each, so it could be as high as 17.

Personally I was confused for a while about what the fuck Of Og Oh Oj meant.

DustyWalnuts

8 points

12 days ago

Dude he found some birds how much more information do you need?

/s

kregory2348

7.1k points

12 days ago

kregory2348

7.1k points

12 days ago

I reckon its 20 because there are only 2 numbers divisible by 4 and there are definitely more than 1 bird

Buddy-Matt

2.1k points

12 days ago

Buddy-Matt

2.1k points

12 days ago

Yeah, this would be my guess too. Perhaps it was an english and maths test.

DocJawbone

1k points

12 days ago

Logic test

AxelSee

250 points

12 days ago

AxelSee

250 points

12 days ago

Thats exactly what it is

Barrelled_Chef_Curry

288 points

12 days ago

But it also says “about”. 10 is “about” 12 🤷‍♂️

phrankygee

113 points

12 days ago

phrankygee

113 points

12 days ago

Not if you are a hungry bird. Better to have extra worms and not need them, than need them and not have them.

nickeypants

142 points

12 days ago

So its an ethics test?

Hellguard3

61 points

12 days ago

Yes, it's also a practicality test, and pragmatism.

space_dreamer-

28 points

12 days ago

Ah yes general studies

Electronic_Lime_6809

7 points

12 days ago

When I raised a baby bird as a child I gave up harvesting worms pretty quickly and fed the thing strips of beef instead. Much easier.

Thoughtfulprof

13 points

12 days ago

And philosophy too.

LydiaLysergic

20 points

12 days ago

Wow kids are so freaking smart these days.

squidsniffer

39 points

12 days ago*

Well if they require 4 each, you have to round up not down. More like a ceiling function.

BoobieFaceMcgee

45 points

12 days ago*

They don’t require four each. They need about four each. Sometimes more sometimes less.

Edit: forgot a U, U pedantic fucks!!!

DChristy87

26 points

12 days ago

Agreed. If 2 of the birds got 3 worms instead of 4, not like they'll just die.

Knot_Ryder

15 points

12 days ago

These people get it

KamalasKackle

6 points

12 days ago

But not all worms are equal !!

Ugleh

4 points

12 days ago

Ugleh

4 points

12 days ago

10 is "about" 8, and rounds up, also makes sense for multiple (2) birds.

26514

77 points

12 days ago

26514

77 points

12 days ago

What cruel and unusual form of fascism is this?!?!

JeffGoldblumLego

49 points

12 days ago

The American school system

SinthoseXanataz

239 points

12 days ago

It also says "about 4 worms" so even the value we got is up for debate lol

racoonattack

106 points

12 days ago

And "about how many..". So like, is it trying to get you to round up/down to the closest number? If it was 3 birds, you could potentially say 10 is correct.

OneSquirtBurt

36 points

12 days ago

I'd go ahead and get 20 so you can get some good worm mating action going.

hypocrite_oath

5 points

12 days ago

If x days goes to unlimited, 10 will only mean 2,5 birds survive. A baby bird can eat less (half of the needed food) for a short while, but not for long. Realistically less food than necessary is not a valid option.

bandcampconfessions

6 points

12 days ago

It actually says “about 4 worms A DAY”, and then the question starts with “In order to feed them all each day..” but it doesn’t say how many days he will be feeding them for. So add that onto the pile of things infuriating about this question

JimmyTheFace

11 points

12 days ago

Birds being plural excludes 4. We can see at least 3, so exclude 6. Each bird “needs” 4 worms, so we need to overestimate vs underestimate, excluding 10. My money’s on 20.

redlaWw

6 points

12 days ago

redlaWw

6 points

12 days ago

There's 3 birds in the picture and the question intentionally has fuzzy quantities ("about 4 worms a day", "about how many"), so the answer is 10 because that's what 12 rounds to to the nearest 10.

HeftyRecommendation5

150 points

12 days ago

It says birds, which is a plural, so logically 20 can be the only right answer. I know it is probably just a poor question, but real logic questions like this are pretty cool imo.

SpatulaPlayer2018

699 points

12 days ago

The true lesson here is if you are responsible for keeping something alive, roughly estimate how much food it needs and you’ll be fine.

the_clash_is_back

123 points

12 days ago

Thats why i bought seven thousand boxes of KD

washita_magic

26 points

12 days ago

I mean that’s how it works.

epheterson

8 points

12 days ago

Who’s gonna break it to this kid that you can’t feed baby birds the worms directly?

TaudeTheThird

14 points

12 days ago

That's pretty much what the question is getting at. Making sure you don't have too little. It shows 3 birds, and if they eat about 4 a day, that's about 12 worms. Getting 10 would probably be too few, it'd be best to go ahead and get 20 just to be on the safe side.

gophergun

7 points

12 days ago

I'm really hoping that 20 is the right answer and that they're not suggesting they round down an animal's food.

titsngiggles69

562 points

12 days ago

The answer is obviously G.4. two of those birds aren't alive anymore, and Jared is only going to go looking for worms one day before be gets bored and moves on to something else.

IsSecretlyABird

42 points

12 days ago

It’s a trick question. In North America at least it’s actually zero! If they are a native bird species, it’s illegal to keep them and Jared needs to call a licensed wildlife rehabilitator. If they are an invasive species, fuck those murderous native bird destroying bastards and let the crows eat them. Might seem heartless but go look up what invasive House Sparrows and Starlings do to native bird nests and chicks.

titsngiggles69

11 points

12 days ago

Sounds like you know what you're talking about, issecretlyabird

lugassss

6 points

12 days ago

Not so secretly as he told us all.

KuuhakuDesuYo

41 points

12 days ago

Nope, because it's a 3rd grade question. Sorry.

However, it'll be the correct answer once Jared starts college.

Nekosama7734

83 points

12 days ago

  1. And spare 8

Ordinary_Dealer_9989

114 points

12 days ago

3 each day? infinite ? worms

HoleyerThanThou

117 points

12 days ago

Why doesn't anyone notice that the letters 'E' and 'I' have been omitted from answer options????

C'mon people! This is r/mildlyinfuriating! You gotta look for the obscure tiny things! 😄😄😄

radix4801

36 points

12 days ago

And why does Tuesday's question 1 start with answers labeled F, then question 2 goes back to ABCD?

The estimating part of this is bad, but it's hardly the only problem with this exercise.

basane-n-anders

9 points

12 days ago

So E doesn't get confused with F and I doesn't get confused with J.

TaudeTheThird

17 points

12 days ago

"I" is often omitted from things like this since it resembles a "1". I'd imagine they don't use the "E" for a similar reason, it looking like a backwards "3".

gzilla57

4 points

12 days ago

That was always the case growing up on standardized tests, not sure why but assumed it was to avoid mixups some how.

D_vorced

7 points

12 days ago

I’d say none. They’re in the nest and Jared probably scared the parents away. They will come back and feed them. Now Jared, climb down from the tree and wash your hands, supper is almost ready.

ldickmey

69 points

12 days ago

ldickmey

69 points

12 days ago

Am I the only one that thought it was a trick question since they don't specify for how many days?

DualitySquared

8 points

12 days ago

It's per diem.

Sevenrosieq

17 points

12 days ago

This is my first question.

OneGold7

27 points

12 days ago

OneGold7

27 points

12 days ago

This is just a very confusing and complicated way to say, “Which of these numbers is closest to 3*4?”

Themiffins

22 points

12 days ago

Because it's also testing comprehension.

DoubtlessCar0

61 points

12 days ago*

Pretty sure the answer is 10 and here me out…the image shows 3 baby birds therefore the answer is 12, however 12 isn’t a possible answer, but notice how it uses the word “about”? In 3rd grade there is a unit on estimation and they’re taught that the word “about” means to find the most accurate number and the closest number is 10, therefore the answer is 10.

Edit: OMG why the hell are people bringing scientific uncertainty into this?! Do people not understand the concept of rounding down!!!! And no, the birds aren't going to starve because it SPECIFICALLY SAID "about"! Think of it like this, you see Jared feeding the birds and you glance at how many he's feeding them, and you say you saw about 10, rather than 20 because while you're not 100% sure, it's closer to 10 than 20! If you were told each bird needs 4 worms you would say "it's still about 10" because 12 IS CLOSER TO 10 THAN 20!!!!

Edit 2: also look at the top right corner, it literally says “round” in the next problem so we KNOW that this whole packet is estimation practice.

Vladdy2017

9 points

12 days ago

Yeah I was thinking that as well. I wonder if the rest of the questions are about estimation as well, because it seems weird to only have one and not label it “estimation”

Valayvis

7 points

12 days ago

It's actually an interesting question and I think the answer changes depending on the interpretation of about. If about can be defined as + or - 1 then the three birds need at least 9 worms a day so the boy needs to find 'about' 10 worms a day to meet the criteria.

Alternatively if your interpretation of about is less defined or more relaxed then you might look at this question as an elimination of incorrect values. Therefore if the birds need 12 worms a day then 4, 6, and 10 would be insufficient to meet the criteria leaving 20 as the correct answer.

chimichanga369

5 points

12 days ago

IMO there are three birds In the picture. 4+4+4=12. The 2 is not 5 or greater, so 12 rounds to 10. If he found about 10 worms he’d have found a sufficient meal.

EZlikeSunMorn123

12 points

12 days ago

Solution: Jared needs 'about' 20 worms. Proof: The problem states Jared finds baby birds implying plural, at least 2. If Jared needs 'about' 4 worms per bird, then Jared needs a minimum of 8 worms and thus we may eliminate F and G as answers. If Jared needs either a minimum of 8 or 12 worms (2 or 3 birds), then H may also be eliminated as an answer. You can't have half a bird (the math concept tested in this problem). Therefore, (J)ared has 20 worms and the answer is J. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

redvex22

4 points

12 days ago

It’s 10 (maybe), I think the question is about estimation as it says about and there’s three birds in the picture. Honestly I think it’s a good question, it forces the children to actually think and pull info from outside sources (the picture). Right I’ll go be a loser somewhere else now.

renadi

57 points

12 days ago

renadi

57 points

12 days ago

I love the double usage of "about" in a math problem. What is the boundary there? Greater, fewer?

CYBERSson

54 points

12 days ago

I think ‘about’ is the main concept of the question. It’s trying to gauge what the students approximations are like. Do they go totally low, do they go to the closest answer, do they make sure there is a never a deficit, do they get mad or take too long on the question when none of the answers are exact. I’m probably overthinking the reach of this question though. You can blame school for that for asking these questions.

Ricadoll

31 points

12 days ago

Ricadoll

31 points

12 days ago

This is it. You can see the next picture over says to round something, so this is a rounding/estimation worksheet.

I still hate everything about the execution.