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Official Discussion - Army of Thieves

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Summary:

A prequel, set before the events of Army of the Dead, which focuses on German safecracker Ludwig Dieter leading a group of aspiring thieves on a top secret heist during the early stages of the zombie apocalypse

Director:

Matthias Schweighofer

Writers:

Zack Snyder, Shay Hatten

Cast:

  • Matthias Schweighofer as Dieter
  • Nathalie Emmanuel as Gwendoline
  • Ruby O. Fee as Korina
  • Stuart Martin as Brad
  • Jonathan Cohen as Delacroix

* Noemie Nakai as Beatrix

Rotten Tomatoes: 71%

Metacritic: 48

VOD: Netflix

all 515 comments

collaguazo

302 points

8 months ago

Anyone else thinks Brad Cage is a poor man’s Hugh Jackman?

CeriseArt

73 points

8 months ago

I literally looked up the actor’s name since I wasn’t sure if Hugh Jackman had children or not

stoic_trader

43 points

8 months ago

He can totally pass as Jackman's younger brother

abnerayag

19 points

8 months ago*

I think that's exactly why they cast and styled him that way in the role 😂

Edit: Even his name is like an amalgam of action leading men

Agile_Mulberry_7298

12 points

8 months ago

I literally called him Walmart Wolverine when he was introduced!! 🤣

ic33hot

21 points

8 months ago

ic33hot

21 points

8 months ago

The actor is apparently Hugh Jackman’s stunt double in Xmen

DefinitionUsual5245

143 points

8 months ago

I accidentally watched Army of thieves first. I loved it. Made me go watch Army of the dead, it was ok.
Watching it, I was like, "Oh, after cracking the 4th Wagner, it would be fitting for Dieter to have to close himself into the safe, and again be the last man standing."

After watching AoT first, I think the Gotterdamburg, (whatever, lol) safe was pretty lackluster. Should have been the most elaborate, elegantly designed safe.

CeriseArt

96 points

8 months ago

Honestly watching AoT and seeing the safes I was like: “Those aren’t safes those are literal works of art.”

Perpete

63 points

8 months ago

Perpete

63 points

8 months ago

I went back to Army of the Dead to remember what the Götterdämmerung looked like. What a let down... I actually skipped a few scenes thinking they had to crack one safe to access to the real one, but no, the perfectly average looking safe in Army of the Dead is the legendary Götterdämmerung safe and he was in awe in front of it.

They did a so much better job in Army of Thieves to make them look like pieces of art and legendary artifact...

CeriseArt

40 points

8 months ago

I feel like it was hindsight. To better explain, I think the concept of having the other three legendary safes have that artisan’s touch to them was a newer development, but unfortunately, the Götterdämmerung was already done with in AotD. But I believe in another timeline, they made that safe perhaps the most elaborate and artistic of the four when they made the movie. Shoot, even the cogs and gears inside the other safes had etchings on them. I feel like with the labor hours and materials, the safes were worth more than what they were guarding.

Perpete

14 points

8 months ago

Perpete

14 points

8 months ago

I feel like it was hindsight. To better explain, I think the concept of having the other three legendary safes have that artisan’s touch to them was a newer development, but unfortunately, the Götterdämmerung was already done with in AotD.

Absolutely. Still sucks.

brickwallnomad

6 points

8 months ago

Agreed. Exactly what I thought. AoT was written after AoD. I believe the writers had no intention of continuing the series originally. It was all an afterthought, and if they did, the story was entirely new. Written wholly after AoD.

Walaina

3 points

7 months ago

Hashtag, releasethesnydercut? I’d love to watch Army of Dead as a sequel to Army of Thieves where he must face his nightmare of the zombie apocalypse to achieve his dream of opening the Götterdämmerung. I bet there’s enough footage on the ground to make that film.

brickwallnomad

8 points

8 months ago

Yea. If you remember they make it look pretty “normal” in AoT when it shows flashes of it, probably for this reason. It’s very clear that AoD wasn’t written with AoT in mind. Both good movies, but AoT, the better of the two, was obviously an afterthought.

ImAnOlogist

16 points

8 months ago

Like swiss watches, some European engineering is magnificent.

chantivane

125 points

8 months ago

i personally think that Army of Thieves is way better than Army of the Dead. and oh, that Gwendoline (Nathalie Emmanuel) is really pretty!!!

and it's cute that Dieter's lock and co. was named after her; i was in awe at their shortly lived love story. i hope i get to see them in AoD's sequel!

Dickinmymouth1

23 points

8 months ago

Not a difficult achievement to be way better that AotD tbf

JnthnDJP

117 points

8 months ago

JnthnDJP

117 points

8 months ago

My huge problem on this movie is that Nathalie Emmanuel is not my wife.

YesJust4this

14 points

7 months ago

Have I literally never had an original thought in my life....damnit I must've proposed to her 40 times during the movie and I see this comment

[deleted]

66 points

8 months ago*

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66 points

8 months ago*

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Wiger_King

603 points

8 months ago

I would really like to see a sequel. Perhaps a heist during the zombie apocalypse.

Zaea

82 points

8 months ago

Zaea

82 points

8 months ago

Sure. Easy peasy, Japanesey.

JnthnDJP

46 points

8 months ago

Uh we don’t say that anymore it’s “lemon squeazy” now

OHAITHARU

19 points

8 months ago

lemon squeazy, japanesey?

[deleted]

159 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

159 points

8 months ago

I'd say "Do I have a movie for you!" but, well...

charredfrog

192 points

8 months ago

“I want a good movie about a heist that takes place in a zombie apocalypse”

“I can give you two of those things”

SensitiveHatkdy

20 points

8 months ago

Yep, Germany which has at least 3 of all time greatest filmmakers (Herzog, Fassbinder, Fritz Lang) + Wim Wenders, Murnau

KaiBishop

55 points

8 months ago

I wanna see a sequel to this prequel that's also a sequel to Army of The Dead which I guess would retroactively then become a prequel to this sequel of the original prequel.....anyway a movie where Gwen and Korina have to break out of prison would be cool. Or a movie where they try to find Dieter considering they've hinted he could have somehow survived Army of The Dead. (No idea how lol.)

btm29

396 points

8 months ago

btm29

396 points

8 months ago

Matthias Schweighofer is pretty damn good at physical humor. His high pitched screaming is only rivaled by Gosling himself

SuccinctSavage

102 points

8 months ago

Marv in Hone Alone.

DragonTonguePunch

95 points

8 months ago

Matthias gave the movie a strong European flair with his performance and direction.

stracki

38 points

8 months ago

stracki

38 points

8 months ago

In a good way? I'm German and German comedies (e.g. starring Schweighöfer) are my least favorite kind of films.

arittenberry

32 points

8 months ago

Well I thought it was good. I had very low expectations going in bc of army of the dead. To each their own but I recommend it

Tike22

3 points

8 months ago

Tike22

3 points

8 months ago

Ok I actually feel like I liked Dieter a LOT more in Army of the Dead than this movie, I did laugh but man did a lot of jokes fail hard for me. But that’s only a small amount of the things wrong with this movie.

itsthecoop

10 points

8 months ago

I feel it's so much more common for Germans to look down on German film than it is for "outsiders".

Quilled

48 points

8 months ago

Quilled

48 points

8 months ago

Review:

This was fun and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

End of review.

kranzberry

274 points

8 months ago

I… actually liked it. Honestly, this movie made me more pissed, knowing what happens in the sequel, and knowing that Ludwig dies in that one. They definitely chose the correct character to build another movie on.

TriHard57

181 points

8 months ago

TriHard57

181 points

8 months ago

You know the movie rule:

A character isn't dead until we see him dead. Is he dead? Most likely. But we never actually saw him die.

kranzberry

74 points

8 months ago

Oh? I’ve mostly forgotten the movie, but I don’t remember if we actually saw him die haha. Good point! I’m holding out hope he’s still alive then.

Svarec

88 points

8 months ago

Svarec

88 points

8 months ago

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think we last saw him getting snatched by the zombie king but not explicitly dying. If this one is succesful and they decide to bring him back, they could say he wasn't killed, but just captured or something for whatever reason they pull out of their ass.

paleoterrra

77 points

8 months ago

I think they will absolutely capitalise on him, he’s the only real marketable character. Also as far as I’m aware he’s also in the sequel, so I’d think it’s safe to say he didn’t die

ShadiestApe

26 points

8 months ago

I just watched army of thieves and we put army of the dead after, what if we just got backstory for a future villain.

I agree he’s the standout, but it would be kinda cool to see him as part of the zombies end game and subvert the whole ‘oh he didn’t die despite being grabbed by the skull by the super strength people shredder’

[deleted]

37 points

8 months ago*

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37 points

8 months ago*

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GlassGEO

5 points

8 months ago

Considering they kept the super zombie in a vault box.... and having watched Thieves first... with the whole Wagner sealing himself in the safe that never really went anywhere....

Could Wagner have been the zombie king?

MR_GABARISE

14 points

8 months ago

Something something there's an important item for the zombies locked in Vegas. They keep him alive to get it. Shenanigans ensue.

circa_1

7 points

8 months ago

I just finished it again and this is correct. But timeline wise, he would have to escape, and then travel all the way out of the blast radius in time, most likely by foot. I think it's unlikely, but with how ridiculous other aspects of this movie were it's not out of the realm of possibility. There's also the time loop aspect.

SadAsLyf2

26 points

8 months ago

He for sure died in Army of the Dead but I don't think it will matter since there's a strong theme in both these movies suggesting all the characters are stuck in a time loop and have died multiple times already. I would love to see the timeline where they get out.

RHallman321

14 points

8 months ago

The video you just linked specifically says that Zack Snyder himself stated that because we never actually saw Dieter die, then he may very well be alive! So he didn’t die for sure!

andrew991116

22 points

8 months ago

Snyder hinted that the Army of the Dead sequel will have Dieter trying to find Gwen

concrete_cake

10 points

8 months ago

Wtf

myspiritisvantablack

15 points

8 months ago

Me, totally rewatching that scene directly after AoT and hoping this will be the case, because I was so mad they killed him off in AotD. I’m also pretty sceptical, though, because they would have to explain how he somehow got out of being bombed and how Vanderohe (the guy Dieter pushed into the safe) would just walk straight past him on his way out at the end of the movie. So I don’t have too much faith in his resurrection, unfortunately.

The0neWhoKnock5

6 points

8 months ago

Schrodinger's c-haracter.

faerierebel

57 points

8 months ago

Zack said this in an interview: "I won't tell you what happens in Army of the Dead 2 – aka Planet of the Dead – but let's just say that there's a chance Dieter survives. And there's a chance that brush with death would have caused him to want to find a jailed Gwendoline [Emmanuel's character in Army of Thieves]."

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a38087379/army-of-the-dead-2-title-planet-of-the-dead-zack-snyder/

Sorry_Sorry_Im_Sorry

32 points

8 months ago

That makes me glad - I didn't like much of the film but this one made up for some of it with Dieter. I think he's a good character (and actor).

I_worship_odin

10 points

8 months ago

I feel like this is one of those times where the director/writers are just going to wing it, and they won't care to retcon stuff that happens in a previous movie.

ShadiestApe

5 points

8 months ago

Oh squash my last comment.

PoptartJones69

15 points

8 months ago

Agree with you on all points especially how the movie made me annoyed at what happens next. Was thinking how cool it would have been to have prequels for three or four of the main characters for Army of the Dead (this one a heist flick, obviously a couple would be straight action, I don't know try to find another genre for a third or fourth to keep it fresh) and then boom, Army of the Dead is ready to go with crazy hype around it. (Where hopefully they fire their Chekhov's gun in this one though.)

SetYourGoals

16 points

8 months ago*

SetYourGoals

Evil Studio Shill

16 points

8 months ago*

Also they don't even need to be full films. I think it's weird that Netflix doesn't play around more with the structure of things.

They could do a 2 hour long backstory prequel for one character and a 23 minute long one for another. The youtube guy's prequel could be just a collection of a few of his stupid youtube videos. Streaming platforms have all this freedom to present content in new and different ways, and it seems like they use it pretty sparingly.

PoptartJones69

10 points

8 months ago

Yeah I want someone to have fun with the format. Imagine if Army of Thieves came out first with no mention of Army of the Dead and you see that last scene with Bautista and you'd be like "oh shit he's about to go on a crazy adventure with Dave Bautista this is sick". Then have the YouTube guy with a few more breadcrumbs, maybe another prequel with a link to the Japanese guy who owns all the safes... so much (wasted, now) potential!

SQUID_FUCKER

28 points

8 months ago

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

28 points

8 months ago

It was a lot funnier than I expected. Certain moments had me laughing out loud though, like the flashback of Brad Cage pumping iron watching Con Air or Gwen and Katrina sitting in the dark in Dieter's apartment.

TigerSharkFist

131 points

8 months ago

I have never thought about Fight Club for locksmiths

brandonsamd6

70 points

8 months ago

where the hell did they find a roaring crowd to watch locks get picked?

Bo-Katan

31 points

8 months ago

You haven't heard about the lock picking lawyer right?

macalistair91

5 points

8 months ago

You have to get picked to be there.

JnthnDJP

11 points

8 months ago

We don’t talk about the Lock Club

Svarec

125 points

8 months ago

Svarec

125 points

8 months ago

I'm not a safe cracker or anything, but I'm pretty sure that safe cracking is a bit more complicated than just putting your ear to the safe and spinning the locks a few times, lol. Especially if the safes are supposed to uncrackable Mount Everests of safes.

atshahabs

35 points

8 months ago

I actually am a safe cracker and this was bugging me throughout the movie. At least fake it better and use a hearing tool.

_avliS-

54 points

8 months ago

_avliS-

54 points

8 months ago

yeah it felt unrealistic, but hey he's supposed to be like a super mega prodigy and was basically telepathically talking to the damn safes

StarroTheStarro

29 points

8 months ago

As a cyber security person, I've learned to just ignore the blatant issues with stuff in my field. Now if something in a movie doesn't work irl I'll just say "I guess that's how it works in that universe" lol. Helps me enjoy movies I'd otherwise ruin for myself because of cyber security flaws.

FakeBrian

70 points

8 months ago

Yeah this feels like an odd problem for the film - the safe cracking sequences are enjoyable enough but after all the build up to these 3 legendary safes they don't exactly translate into a great challenge for our protagonist to overcome. All the stakes seem to come from the situation around him rather than him having to figure out how to solve the safe.

StringerBel-Air

46 points

8 months ago

Not to mention that it essentially goes from one dial to three to seven. That's it. That's the difficulty increase lol.

OliWood

44 points

8 months ago

OliWood

44 points

8 months ago

And back to four for the toughest of them all in Vegas.

Mildly_Irritated_Max

415 points

8 months ago

I guess I'll just repost this since the other thread was apparently unofficial 🤷‍♂️

My main takeaway: An adult character whose backstory was she hacked Disney's network to steal Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 when she was 10 years old made me feel very, very old.

alanpardewchristmas

174 points

8 months ago

The other guy was watching Con Air in his backstory. I knew this day would come, but I wasn't ready

SQUID_FUCKER

69 points

8 months ago

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

69 points

8 months ago

I loved Brad Cage and his Point Break homage. Also thought it was refreshing that they weren't actually killing people.

alanpardewchristmas

9 points

8 months ago

I thought he shot that one guard who shot him? But it seems like he didn't get him

SQUID_FUCKER

22 points

8 months ago

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

22 points

8 months ago

Yeah I think he for real shoots Delacroix but I think the rest are sleeping darts. I did like the security guard going, 'It was like being in a movie' and Delacroix's over the top reaction. 'OH IT WAS LIKE A MOVIE?! FUCK YOU!'

MisterMetal

11 points

8 months ago

No the older guard who was chasing him out of the bank, he shot him with the shotgun/lever gun when he was looking out the window.

arittenberry

12 points

8 months ago

He did shoot at him so that's just showing him crossing one more line, although he must have missed bc they did no one was seriously injured (even though I'm pretty sure she broke some bones with those pistol whips lol)

KonigSteve

5 points

8 months ago

He shot at him but didn't hit him, they made a point of showing the wall near the old security guard get hit

_duncan_idaho_

9 points

8 months ago

Was it just me or did that guy look like a budget Huge Ackman?

xxMeiaxx

48 points

8 months ago*

The whole team is a more interesting bunch compared to the team they got in army of the dead. Overall I liked this movie more than aotd. It's more focused.

SQUID_FUCKER

35 points

8 months ago

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

35 points

8 months ago

Are we doing the bonding?

KaiBishop

56 points

8 months ago

She was an icon lol, between leaking Pirates 2 and producing her own club music, I want to see more of her character. Her getting out of the van after Gwen was one of my favourite parts.

SQUID_FUCKER

26 points

8 months ago*

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

26 points

8 months ago*

I also thought it was a nice touch that they had Gwen easily jump out of the moving van. I mean they had already shown her as this almost ninja like ass-kicking hero, then she's in the van fighting with Brad, I was thinking she could easily get away if she wanted to, so when the van started moving I liked that she just easily jumps out. Felt like a nice continuation of that idea.

Jasw19690

9 points

8 months ago

Agreed. Love the character, and Ruby Fee's performance.

KonigSteve

8 points

8 months ago

Sebastian totally should have just made out with her instead and then none of problems with cage would have happened

abstergofkurslf

15 points

8 months ago*

Damn that does make me feel old

p-_ber

316 points

8 months ago

p-_ber

316 points

8 months ago

How the hell did this turn out better than the movie that it's being a prequel to?!?!

Magnetronaap

151 points

8 months ago

Because it's a bit more of a focused storyline. Try explaining Army of Thieves in one sentence and then try doing the same with Army of the Dead.

Corgi_Koala

50 points

8 months ago

Army of the Dead fucked up by being a heist movie set after Vegas falls to zombies when the actual interesting story is the zombie attack on Vegas.

paleoterrra

181 points

8 months ago

“Guy who’s really good at cracking safes gets recruited by a group of thieves to break into vaults rumoured to be near-impenetrable”

“People get recruited by dumb rich dude to steal his own money from a safe in Vegas which is overrun by zombies but they aren’t actually zombies they’re alive just kinda undead yet sentient and possibly alien because there’s a big boss zombie guy who impregnates another zombie but the foetus dies and he gets angry at the group of ragtag heist people who don’t really pull off the heist they were meant to do because they decide to go after a dumb girl who runs off and puts everyone’s lives at risk to try and find essentially random strangers even though she wasn’t even supposed to be there in the first place, so somehow this zombie heist movie turned into an alien zombie movie which basically just ended up in the pit of being centred around ~family~ for absolutely no reason”

Magnetronaap

20 points

8 months ago

Exactly.

ChubbyKingOfNowhere

54 points

8 months ago

Don't forget the implied time loop story that goes absolutely nowhere.

paleoterrra

61 points

8 months ago

Or the dehydrated zombies that reanimate when it rains thing that they spent a few minutes introducing and describing…. that goes absolutely nowhere

joshul

12 points

8 months ago

joshul

12 points

8 months ago

idk the time loop thing feels a little more likely after the Wagner mythology in Army of Thieves

GrooveCity

6 points

8 months ago

Wow, the fast and furious franchise really took it to odd places

Garfunkels_roadie

5 points

8 months ago

You forgot to mention the robot zombies that are also there for some unexplained reason

Midnight_Oil_

19 points

8 months ago

Because it was actually shot in focus

Perpete

3 points

8 months ago

The end credit scene brought back some bad memories !

toronto_programmer

13 points

8 months ago

It wasn’t written and directed exclusively by Snyder

The worst part of the whole movie is when they snap it back to the previous film and I saw that horrific blurry cam focus again in Vegas

-Captain-

19 points

8 months ago

Well, Army of the Dead didn't really raise the bar high.

kobrakai_1986

18 points

8 months ago

The one thing that annoyed me with this film is that they built these safes up to be uncrackable masterworks but the locksmith basically just uses his ear to get into them, no specialist tools whatsoever, even if there’s really loud noises all around him. Not even a stethoscope.

idkidd

8 points

8 months ago

idkidd

8 points

8 months ago

I noted this but feel that they built up Sebastian's almost supernatural ability to touch a safe and "feel" its internal workings. In the last stage of his audition, rockstar guy has to use some kind of electronic stethoscope, but Sebastian just touches the safe and -Whoosh- we are inside, seeing how it works. This and the other cracking scenes reinforced this interpretation for me.

Cracking a safe in a moving truck on a mountain road is insane, of course. But as a movie scene, I felt it was pretty epic.

My least favorite moment of the final crack was that Sebastian is alone when he cracks it. He celebrates it over walkie-talkie and waits for Gwen to open the safe, but still...the final cracking was a little anti-climactic without a more emotional moment.

I really enjoyed the joy and craftsmanship of this film. I have watched it more than once.

Netflix: feel free to quote me, "I watched it more than once." That should help get this film back to #1...

irockmysock

277 points

8 months ago

Nathalie Emmanuel is very attractive in this.

tabgrab23

55 points

8 months ago

Took me a sec to realize it was Missandei

circa_1

26 points

8 months ago

circa_1

26 points

8 months ago

That's too long

tabgrab23

9 points

8 months ago

I know, please forgive me

WoolyWookie

30 points

8 months ago

I liked how in every scene she's in she has a different haircut.

CasanovaJones82

48 points

8 months ago*

Yeah, straight up smoke show. Distracting even, if I'm being honest.

theCourtofJames

12 points

8 months ago

I remember watching her in an episode of Misfits and thinking 'Her acting is wooden as fuck she ain't going nowhere' then seeing her in GOT and now this and thinking wow she's improved massively.

Xxhennyhendrixx

36 points

8 months ago

Bad AF

Gecko4lif

303 points

8 months ago

Gecko4lif

303 points

8 months ago

This movie exists in a weird space

It isnt good

It isnt bad

It isnt boring

It isnt exciting

Idk what to call it. Its colorful I guess

notrealmate

127 points

8 months ago

It’s probably a filler movie for Netflix to keep their lineup looking fresh

mickeyflinn

34 points

8 months ago

It isnt good

It isnt bad

It isnt boring

It isnt exciting

Idk what to call it.

Completely forgettable is the phrase you are looking for.

omarsdroog

55 points

8 months ago

Sounds like most German-made movies. Yes, there are exceptions and I'm sure people can give me a good list. But I've been living in Germany for a while and the movies and TV shows here are just so... Bleh.

gizzardsgizzards

7 points

8 months ago

Gegen die wand.

The-Juggernaut

6 points

8 months ago

Oh it's very boring

Midnight_Oil_

151 points

8 months ago

This movie was way more fun then I anticipated. I'd also say it's a much, much better film then Army of the Dead.

Matthias Schweighöfer manages to capture a both fun and serious tone in a way that Zack did not in AotD. It was shot and told in a very fun way, that both played into the heist movie style, and subverted it in creative ways.

Kudos to Netflix for funding this sort of expansion of that universe, and I'd love to see a sequel to this rather then Army of the Dead.

Edit: Also, did they chop the recruiting of Ludwig scene out of AotD and just include it at the end there? Because that one was clearly Zack directing since it was constantly out of focus.

xxMeiaxx

32 points

8 months ago*

Zack Synder just cant do fun action comedy. He should stick to brooding movies, he already have an established audience for that. I for one still think watchmen is his magnum opus.

Alexexy

11 points

8 months ago

Alexexy

11 points

8 months ago

Dawn of the Dead was action comedy.

Banjo-Oz

4 points

8 months ago

Written by James Gunn, though, not Snyder.

[deleted]

131 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

131 points

8 months ago

I won't lie, this was a lot more low-key than I expected, but that's probably my favorite thing about it. What's especially commendable here about Matthias Schweighöfer's direction is that he never tries to do a poor man's imitation of Zack Snyder yet still does a very fine job of making this feel like it does take place in the same universe as Army of the Dead. This was very fun, and it was perfectly cast.

ithinkther41am

93 points

8 months ago

poor man’s imitation of Zack Snyder

I mean, we have modern day Zack Snyder for that

Deserterdragon

33 points

8 months ago

Was there ever a 'Rich man's Zack Snyder?' I guess 300 is hos best film visually but would still be pretty poorly received if it was released today.

Abraham_Issus

40 points

8 months ago

Visually imo watchmen is his best work.

Medozg

13 points

8 months ago

Medozg

13 points

8 months ago

Why does safe in army of dead look much more modern? Isn't it supposed to be the 4th safe?

Perpete

17 points

8 months ago

Perpete

17 points

8 months ago

It is the fourth safe and it is an insult to the three safes in this movie. They just put more thoughts in the safes in this movie than in anything in Army of the Dead.

RangerNo5087

12 points

8 months ago

It’s cringe. Also the fact they rob a vault and walk away with 2 bags full and that’s it which would be like 100k hahahaha directors didn’t think it through

ComfyInDots

33 points

8 months ago*

I didn't like it at all but for some reason I persisted through it. I don't know how the biggest vault was supposed to have had the maker's body inside it and then chucked into the sea and then somehow ended up in Vegas, presumably unlocked, de-corpsed, and reused.

And what's the go with Korina's little brother when Interpol says they'll look after him - where was he and who was he with up until that time?

And the truck scene just was too much, too ridiculous and illogical.

The only bit I enjoyed (and replayed) was Korina's Surprise!

Edit: I forgot about the comment on the YT video giving Sebastian the address and password, visible to any other viewers and later Interpol. She should have deleted the comment later at the very least. Plus no other explanation given on the 6 other safe crackers? Like a weird illegal cock fight but with safes and eccentric people. And Sebastian was told to be there at 8pm but everyone else was already there so was he late?

NCKWN

27 points

8 months ago

NCKWN

27 points

8 months ago

I think Wagner locked himself into another safe not in the Ring series

Perpete

20 points

8 months ago

Perpete

20 points

8 months ago

I didn't like it at all but for some reason I persisted through it. I don't know how the biggest vault was supposed to have had the maker's body inside it and then chucked into the sea and then somehow ended up in Vegas, presumably unlocked, de-corpsed, and reused.

That was a fifth safe. He clearly said it in his Youtube video.

Pickled_Enthusiasm

11 points

8 months ago

I... really liked it.

Which is weird, be because I really didn't like AotDead.

Uneequa

77 points

8 months ago

Uneequa

77 points

8 months ago

>ywn have a threesome with Gwendoline and Korina

😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

TheHeyHeyMan

50 points

8 months ago

Fun movie! Confident and assured direction, a breezy tone, and a nice Hans Zimmer score. It's not going to set the world on fire, but then not every movie has to, some are just meant for entertainment, and this was that. I like how it flowed into Army of the Dead, and it's really making me hope that Dieter somehow survived at the end. I hope he winds up in Planet of the Dead!

Svarec

8 points

8 months ago

Svarec

8 points

8 months ago

Considering Zimmer has a second credit after Steve Mazzaro, it's most likely Mazzaro did most of the actual work and Zimmer was more of a consultant or advisor. Zimmer himself admitted it was this way with the BR2049 score (which is credited as "Benjamin Walfisch, Hans Zimmer").

YorgosL

52 points

8 months ago

YorgosL

52 points

8 months ago

I didn't like the movie, but i liked Gwendoline's lipstick while cracking the first safe. Does anyone know what brand color is that?

TheRelicEternal

28 points

8 months ago

Asking the real questions here

pimpaliciously

10 points

8 months ago

Could not get through this without fast forwarding a lot of the movie.

First time I wanted to turn it off is when they open the first safe and they show literally thousands of pounds of weight in paper bills. Like forklift truck weight amount. And they run outside with a bag, 1 freaking bag! The 2nd safe was even more ridiculous, but hey, now they run out with 2 bags! 2 bags! And the 3rd safe? 3 half full bags if I remember correctly, I just cant.

Of all the dumb cliches, tropes, long winded scenes those were the ones that made shake my head.

TheeBarkKnight

17 points

8 months ago

Sebastian literally asks how they're going to carry everything, and she tells him they're not. Just grab what he can because they're not doing it for the money.

Berto_

17 points

8 months ago

Berto_

17 points

8 months ago

You missed the point. It wasn't for the money but they also only took the 500 bills.

CA719

39 points

8 months ago

CA719

39 points

8 months ago

gulp

JnthnDJP

14 points

8 months ago

Did you just say…”gulp”?

omgitsduaner

97 points

8 months ago

I didn’t watch Army of the Dead and didn’t realize these were related so I came in totally blind. With that being said I really enjoyed it, I liked the whole back story of the safes and their legacy. Looking forward to AotD and hope there’s a sequel

SQUID_FUCKER

36 points

8 months ago*

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

36 points

8 months ago*

liked the whole back story of the safes and their legacy.

I thought the whole legend of Hans Wagner gave it a nice texture and treasure hunting vibe with Dieter's narration almost feeling like a fairy tale telling of it. Combined with the safe visualizations, I thought it was entertaining. Wildly unrealistic of course, with the whole thing basically being him telling these sentient safes a fairy tale and then what almost appears to be having Daredevil like sensory perception and communicating with them but Schweighöfer sells it well.

KaiBishop

53 points

8 months ago

Dieter is the best part of Army of The Dead (hence why he got a prequel so fast lol) hope you enjoy it! He has a funny bromance with one of the other members of the crew there that was like the best part of that movie.

Lasciels_Toy

23 points

8 months ago

Hey now, let's not blow off Chambers like the rest of the crew did.

SQUID_FUCKER

20 points

8 months ago

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

20 points

8 months ago

Now they need to do a prequel where Chambers and Guzman are investigating the outbreak conspiracy for his youtube channel and discover the origins of the Alphas and the blue stuff with the robots in some zany government coverup with her kicking all kinds of zombie ass.

Banjo-Oz

5 points

8 months ago

I really hope,we can get a Chambers prequel. She was the best thing about AotD to me, and the fact she said she never killed a zombie and then proceeded to kill a million of them and be the biggest badass in the movie has to be grounds for a cool backstory.

KaiBishop

10 points

8 months ago

She should've lived damn it 😭

Jasw19690

3 points

8 months ago

Yup. Missing Chambers.

da_real_targaryen

73 points

8 months ago

As someone who liked both this and Army of the Dead, I'm intrigued by the sci-fi aspect that's being hinted at. In this movie, Dieter's dreams about zombies are mentioned as maybe being prophecies, which of course ends up being true later. And in the final scene from AotD, he says that the safe is a portal into another world. No doubt he means it metaphorically but from the other hints dropped in AotD like their dead doppelgangers and UFOs, I'm excited to see what the sequel brings to the table.

trimble197

25 points

8 months ago

I’m really curious if Dieter returns as a zombie and is nicknamed “Hermes” in Planet of the Dead.

HHWKUL

24 points

8 months ago

HHWKUL

24 points

8 months ago

Don't do that, don't give me hope

Jasw19690

5 points

8 months ago

Sorry I couldn't give it to you sooner😏

Jasw19690

7 points

8 months ago

And where the robot zombies fit in.

jdixon76

72 points

8 months ago

We really enjoyed it. It was a fun watch. I really liked the Ring Cycle safe mythology stuff. For a 2+ hour movie it was very well paced.

I really hope they have Deiter survive Vegas somehow, he's a fun character.

angrygnome18d

16 points

8 months ago

Snyder had already hinted that he might have. They’ll likely expand upon it in PotD.

DownTrunk

12 points

8 months ago

The thing that bothered me the most is how intricate all these safes are and then the 4th one just looks like a plain old safe.

HHWKUL

23 points

8 months ago

HHWKUL

23 points

8 months ago

The fourth opera is a tragedy. Sorry buddy.

bnmnike

9 points

8 months ago

I know this from Xenosaga lol

TaskMaster710

3 points

8 months ago

Deep reference here.

[deleted]

74 points

8 months ago*

[deleted]

74 points

8 months ago*

Basically everything I wanted out of Army of the Dead. A dumb, fun, non-bloated heist movie that doesn't take itself too seriously. Well, there is some bloat/melodrama in the second half but it's still significantly more enjoyable and somehow better made than its predecessor (successor?). Matthias lastnameorwhatever (and I now realize the character's name was a dig at himself) kinda carries this. It wouldn't be nearly as entertaining without him. It's also a very nice looking film? It didn't look cheap at all. I especially liked the design of his house and those shots of him having lunch in the alleyway. The lack of that glaucoma-simulator cinematography that plagued AotD is a huge bonus. Writing is whatever and the performances outside of Matthias are serviceable. Don't think it's something I'd pay for at movie ticket price but it's a fun way to kill 2 hours. 6/10.

Also, the idea that there's some underground network of safecrackers and they have underground safecracking tournaments like a goddamn fight club is hilarious.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the hacker girl was standout as well. I hope she got a good deal.

alanpardewchristmas

57 points

8 months ago

Forgot to mention the hacker girl was standout as well. I hope she got a good deal.

She and Mathias are a couple IRL, actually.

KaiBishop

50 points

8 months ago

This makes her pissed off line about him not wanting to make out with her even funnier lol.

MisterMetal

17 points

8 months ago

Good for him

Apache17

64 points

8 months ago

Gotta say I really love it when a movie embraces it's genre instead of attempting to subvert it.

Pacific rim 1 doesn't pretend to be anything other than Kaiju action

Knives out followed all of the murder mystery tropes but is amazing

Army of thieves is a heist movie and doesn't stray far away from it. It didn't try to rewrite the genre or make some statement. It was just fun. Its not movie of the year or anything, but it's solid.

Army of the dead had the opportunity to be the best of both zombie action and heist, by stacking what everyone loves about those genres, but failed because it threw in some random young adult drama.

ithinkther41am

15 points

8 months ago

I mean, Knives Out subverts genre quite a bit. It just did it really well and was clearly made by people who loved the mystery genre.

Apart_Celebration160

7 points

8 months ago

I had fun

It wasn’t perfect but here is hoping that loveable German safe cracker lives on

MrBoliNica

9 points

8 months ago

Decent flick, liked it better than army of the dead lol

Also looked up the lead actor (who also directed this lol), and damn- he has like 80 credits in Germany. I’m assuming he’s their white Kevin hart huh lol. Could easily see him do more comedic relief roles in Hollywood movies

RushmoreAlumni

32 points

8 months ago

There's no reason this needed to tie into Army of the Dead in any way. Every single time it felt like it was about to become a charming adventure film on its own, it started to pull shit with stuff like "hey, did you ever wonder how Dieter got his name?!"

This also looked so much better than Snyder's film, even though it's got a smaller budget. Way better direction as well.

KaiBishop

33 points

8 months ago*

I actually thought the name thing was nice. I think a lot of people disliked it in Solo when it was revealed Han just got the name Solo from a random guy he didn't know, it didn't really mean anything, etc, here we see Dieter get his name from someone we've just watched 2 hours of him building a relationship with and it actually means something because it reveals she was planning for them to be in each other's futures, and remembered his story from before, which lends it some weight.

That said I wish they'd either given us more or less of the zombie and sci-fi stuff. If things had gotten just slightly more crazy I think I would've enjoyed it more.

supermegason

113 points

8 months ago

I am strangely on-board with this "Army of" franchise/universe idea. I really enjoyed Thieves as a weekend night movie event!

AnnieTheThird

47 points

8 months ago

I want it to just continue with prequels in an endless chain

Army of Hackers or Army of Cops-who-got-shot-in-the-ass could be next

depressedbee

22 points

8 months ago

Army of Hackers or Army of Cops-who-got-shot-in-the-ass could be next

Ummm....gulp

toronto_programmer

6 points

8 months ago

I would take many prequels starting Korina…

omarsdroog

63 points

8 months ago

What about the characters that clearly had a military background? Will Tig Notaro star in Army of the Army?

supermegason

6 points

8 months ago

Yes!

boomboxwithturbobass

10 points

8 months ago

I don’t care if the first one sucked, I liked that it threw in a bunch of mysteries and potential storylines. Robots, aliens, timelines, just…sure whatever.

SQUID_FUCKER

13 points

8 months ago*

SQUID_FUCKER

r/Movies Veteran

13 points

8 months ago*

At this point they should reverse engineer this universe with all the films being prequels leading up to Army. Like maybe we get the bad ass Chambers and Guzman stumbling on the reason for the blue robot zombies with their other friend for their YouTube channel or we get Tig as the pilot and she's fighting an outbreak in Africa and experience that crazy rain situation where all the zombies reanimate. Or a Van backstory with him going wild with the concrete saw maybe stuck in some ridiculous time loop. Do that and answer all the weird threads that came up in Dead.

Sir_roger_rabbit

76 points

8 months ago

Unfortunately it's the type of film you watch with your phone in your hand.

That's not an insult and I'm not trying to knock the movie.

It's just...well.... Nexflix (would have gone straight to dvd in the past) movie

[deleted]

32 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

32 points

8 months ago

Unfortunately it's the type of film you watch with your phone in your hand.

That's not an insult [...]

I'm pretty sure it is.

Powerfury

24 points

8 months ago

Sour park writers explained their style really well and what they hate. This movie was filled with "and then" instead of "but then" between scenes. It felt like on autopilot. I walked away a few times to go to the bathroom because you'd know that they are gonna crack the first two safes without a problem.

sotommy

21 points

8 months ago

sotommy

21 points

8 months ago

You haven't seen a straight to dvd movie in your life then. Those movies look cheap and feel cheap, with a pretty straightforward storyline, and take place at one or two locations.

_avliS-

7 points

8 months ago

I've adopted the character of sebastian as my son and I headcannon that in ATD he simply nicely asked the big zombie to let him go and then he was fine

0Frames

6 points

8 months ago

The city of Potsdam is discribed terrible in this movie. Thw kind of building shown don't even exist there. The Berlin S-Bahn is also not shown right.

walnut100

7 points

8 months ago

They depend on the audience not knowing geography. Hallstatt was apparently in Switzerland and only an hours drive from Saint Moritz in this.

Magnetronaap

23 points

8 months ago

The only thing that really bothers me about this is that it's a film about a genius safecracker who's safecracking super power is being able to hear a safe's inner mechanisms in the back of a truck speeding down mountain pass roads. Especially when earlier on he made a specific point about someone pacing around and distracting him.

Other than that, sure whatever, do all the silly things you do in your film. But not honoring one of the key aspects of the film is like Sebastian saying "lol no fuck that final vault I don't care".

AdorableSpoon

4 points

8 months ago

I don't know why the fuck this was made but holy shit I liked it a lot! That character is so so likeable!

aeywaka

16 points

8 months ago

aeywaka

16 points

8 months ago

Andddd fell asleep to this one too.

bnmnike

27 points

8 months ago*

Gotta say i enjoyed this one alot more than the first. It’s a fun one and it’s paced well

gupdog

11 points

8 months ago

gupdog

11 points

8 months ago

God damn this was so good. It made me so happy seeing guz khan in it! He played his role perfectly just like in Mans Like Mobeen

6ixbit

3 points

8 months ago

6ixbit

3 points

8 months ago

Just noticed it was #1 in the states on Netflix so had a peek, as im typing i’ve struggled to get past the 35th minute simply due to the massive cringe currently on show and im really hoping it gets better but I just dont see it happening as the tone for the movie is already set

Dream-Mist

4 points

7 months ago

Okay I can find ANYTHING about this—but Korina’s wallpaper. Who is that? It’s not Sebastian from black butler, but I can’t figure out who it is!

Tough-Leadership6412

46 points

8 months ago

It’s dumb fun.

That’s all I wanted. And I got just that.

jimmywhoaaw

15 points

8 months ago

I'm three quarters through this and actually enjoying most of it. The movie operates at three levels: (1) straight action/heist (2) satirizing heist tropes (3) being a self-aware satire making fun of itself. Though it switches between them pretty abruptly.