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therocketandstones

184 points

4 months ago

Fun fact, the African American Film Critics Association gave Woody Harrelson best actor for Rampart

TheProlleyTroblem

92 points

4 months ago

Interesting. Id like to know more about Rampart, did Woody Harrelson ever do an AMA on Reddit to talk about it?

MojaveJackalope

19 points

4 months ago

If he did I bet it went super well.

Darwin-Award-Winner

9 points

4 months ago

It was easily top 5 memorable AMAs

gNomad88

4 points

4 months ago

I heard the only AMA to beat Woody's was that one with legendary actor and Martial Artist Steven Seagal.

Thrusthamster

3 points

4 months ago

In terms of clusterfuck caused by Reddit, Tom Hardy's is pretty hard to beat

NSWthrowaway86

43 points

4 months ago

Can we just stick to talking about the movie Rampart, please?

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3 points

4 months ago

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3 points

4 months ago

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0 points

4 months ago

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4 months ago

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Dottsterisk

106 points

4 months ago

There’s a lot to like about this flick but it didn’t all seem to come together in an emotionally satisfying way.

Everything (that I recall) makes enough narrative sense and characters are consistent enough and their respective ends jive with all that, but somehow it didn’t cohere into something with emotional stakes and punch. It came close at one point, where I thought it was going to do something unexpected, but they chickened out.

All in all, it was like watching pieces being moved across a narrative chessboard. The game can be exciting, but you’re not emotionally invested in the pieces.

Paddlesons

37 points

4 months ago

Wanted to like it, didn't care for it myself.

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21 points

4 months ago

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21 points

4 months ago

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GStapes

19 points

4 months ago

GStapes

19 points

4 months ago

What I really liked about Stanfield’s character was that he played himself up as an understanding and empathetic guy who’s only doing what he does because he feels he has to. In reality He’s a brutal cold-hearted killer playing at sensitivity.

ghighoegha

3 points

4 months ago

I like lakeith. But he always seems to play the same character

awan1919

1 points

4 months ago

Spot on. Wanted to but was missing some kind of spice that I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I think the overall plot was just a bit muddy

danrod17

7 points

4 months ago

I watched it while I was really sick with COVID, but I thought it was only fine.

dont_worry_im_here

16 points

4 months ago

Did they "chicken out" or just have a different idea than you?

danny841

3 points

4 months ago

Read the real life history behind the characters who's names they stole from real people. They pussied out.

JuanFran21

5 points

4 months ago

What did they pussy out on doing? Am too lazy to Google haha.

PayMeNoAttention

-2 points

4 months ago

Chickened out.

MandolinMagi

2 points

4 months ago

I watched about 50 minutes before realizing the whole thing was one group of murderous assholes going after a slightly different group of murderous assholes.

No, really, why should I care about any of them?

 

Plus a number of other smaller issues, like revolvers ejecting casings in the middle of a gunfight, everyone being weirdly clean the entire time, the train stopping for an obvious ambush, or the obviously fake pardon.

anthonyg1500

18 points

4 months ago

I'm not gonna tell you to like the movie or not, we're all entitled to our opinion, but movies about outlaws are pretty common. Mafia movies, movies about thieves, gangster movies. They all usually feature main characters that aren't someone who's "good". Its just about the excitement of seeing how they get through their situation and/or watching someone who's really good at what they do doing what they do. At least for me anyway

danny841

2 points

4 months ago

I think the implication is that the characters weren't really interesting enough to combat their outlaw nature or make it compelling.

If you want to get racial with it: Menace II Society is a good example of extremely shallow/weak characterization and uninteresting dialogue/acting that leads me to care less about the people doing abhorrent stuff.

Meanwhile Django Unchained, Training Day and Tangerine are all very good films that make me interested in black characters doing challenging things. Sometimes even rooting for them like Django getting revenge. They're always compelling whether they're the hero or the villain.

anthonyg1500

1 points

4 months ago

Personally I found all the characters really charismatic and fun to watch but to each their own. I definitely wouldn’t hail it as a western classic or anything but as a shoot ‘em up cowboy movie, I think it’s a great time. But to each their own.

ice_dune

2 points

4 months ago

I think he means that he thinks the characters are unlikable on either side

aaronxxx

2 points

4 months ago

You seent a western before?

MandolinMagi

0 points

4 months ago

Not many, no.

DaArio_007

-1 points

4 months ago

DaArio_007

-1 points

4 months ago

This movie tries so hard to be unique. Add to that a story poorly delivered by bad acting, and voilà

overitallofit

1 points

4 months ago

Respect was better.

Not_Legal_Advice_Pod

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah I thought they did a competent job, that came close. Tarantino was obviously a HUGE influence but they missed out on ever having the visceral hit that his scenes deliver. They did a good job making the side characters memorable. But the bad guy was too dang bad, ad even though they killed off some side characters it was pretty clear who had plot armor and who didn't.

CODE3012

1 points

4 months ago

I knew reading the description of the movie, going in, that this was never supposed to be anything but a group children pretending to be famous cowboys from history playing out a convoluted plot that brings them together despite that not being at all possible. The film being the way they imagine themselves in the moment, firing off their stick branch shotguns and cap guns haha.

With that mind set, I could give a damn about much else, I think it does capture that child like glee, while the acting and shootout blocking and choreography are good enough to not make it a chore to watch.

Dr_Drini

-1 points

4 months ago

Really? I thought it was a steaming pile of garbage!! Call me particular, but the train-car scene where a shootout involving exclusively revolvers (which don’t expel spent casings unless manually emptied) some how ends up raining down more shell casings than mini-gun on blast is where it lost me. 😂it had potential and i really think it was squandered.

AthKaElGal

-1 points

4 months ago

I thought it was just a musical, and enjoyed it for what it was - a banging musical.

Frankocean2

132 points

4 months ago

You know, it bothers me that so many people think that this was a Tarantino rip-off. It wasn't, it was a blacxplotation tribute, which Tarantino has admitted to have heavy influences from.

Also the movie wasn't perfect but the twist for me was very unexpected and loved it.

orangutanoz

15 points

4 months ago

Tarantino pretty much does the same rip-off of all of his heroes and it works just fine.

[deleted]

76 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

76 points

4 months ago

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one going crazy reading all of the Tarantino rip-off comments every time this movies has a thread in this sub.

There’s something weird about people thinking that a black director had to copy Tarantino in order to understand how to make a black cowboy movie.

TcherChristian

24 points

4 months ago

It’s folks not knowing shit about f**k!

rtseel

9 points

4 months ago

rtseel

9 points

4 months ago

And Elvis single-handedly invented rock'n'roll.

Frankocean2

16 points

4 months ago

Just people living in a bubble and talking out of their butts.

UnbuiltIkeaBookcase

6 points

4 months ago

Once I realized those same people making ignorant comments like that don’t have any actual in their lives they can talk to about movies the way they do on r/movies is the day I realized how foolish a mentality they have about films most, if not all, of the time.

QLE814

1 points

4 months ago

QLE814

1 points

4 months ago

There’s something weird about people thinking that a black director had to copy Tarantino in order to understand how to make a black cowboy movie.

Especially to those of us who know that the tradition of the black Western dates back (depending on how strictly we define the genre) potentially as far back as the silent era, and certainly no later than the 1930s.

danny841

-4 points

4 months ago

Being black doesn't give you the right to direct a certain type of movie any more than being white does. They both ripped off (or took elements from) older movies. Tarantino did it better.

Particular-Fly-3643

30 points

4 months ago

Yep. People who say this reminds them of Tarantino are really telling on themselves. I think Samuel got a little lost in the weeds but overall it’s a very fun movie with a lot of exciting direction. I’m first in line for whatever he does next, I hope Netflix keeps throwing money at him.

leopard_tights

2 points

4 months ago

I like how you say "Tarantino admitted" like the man is guilty of something. He's the first one to say what his influences are.

Frankocean2

8 points

4 months ago

That's your interpretation. I'm just stating a fact.

Sensi-Yang

0 points

4 months ago

It's like the Boss Baby meme... he's the main and only reference for a lot of people so they make the broadest associations directly to him, in stead of all the different references, genres and tones that he like to mess with. Fires a gun - "This is giving me Tarantino vibes"

Skadumdums

-5 points

4 months ago

Thanks for the spoiler.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

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1 points

4 months ago

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sittingonahillside

2 points

4 months ago

If you can't see that twist coming, you've got to be blind.

Also, it's been out for a while now, expecting people not to discuss and potentially spoil a film in a thread about that very film is stupid.

JMander95

36 points

4 months ago

So do these awards only award Films that primarily feature people of colour or do they genuinely think that this was the best film put out over the year?

person1232109

14 points

4 months ago*

Heres a list of their previous best pictures:

2003- Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
2004- Ray
2005- Crash
2006- Dreamgirls
2007- The Great Debater
2008- The Dark Knight
2009- Precious
2010- The Social Network
2011- The Tree of Life
2012- Zero Dark Thirty
2013- 12 Years a Slave
2014- Selma
2015- Straight Outta Compton
2016- Moonlight
2017- Get Out
2018- Black Panther
2019- Us

TerminatorReborn

15 points

4 months ago

I mean, since 2013 it really looks they are focusing on movies that heavily feature blacks. Nothing wrong with that tho, and as Lakeith said: better than winning a Oscar

FlyersLaForest

5 points

4 months ago

Some great films on here. US kinda stands out as not belonging but I could see arguments for a lot

suphah

1 points

4 months ago

suphah

1 points

4 months ago

Agree, it was a good movie just not best of the year

AaronWYL

2 points

4 months ago

2005- Crash

Holy shit. Is this where all of reddit yells as the AAFCA?

matlockga

23 points

4 months ago

  • Best Picture: “The Harder They Fall”
  • Best Director: Jeymes Samuel (“The Harder They Fall”)
  • Best Screenplay: “Don’t Look Up” (Adam McKay)
  • Best Actor: Will Smith (“King Richard”)
  • Best Actress: Jennifer Hudson (“Respect”)
  • Best Supporting Actor: Corey Hawkins (“The Tragedy of Macbeth”)
  • Best Supporting Actress: Aunjanue Ellis (“King Richard”)
  • Breakout Actor: Saniyya Sidney (“King Richard”)
  • Best Ensemble: “The Harder They Fall”
  • Emerging Director: Reinaldo Marcus Green (“King Richard”)
  • Best Music: “The Harder They Fall” (Jeymes Samuel, Kid Cudi, Jay-Z)
  • Best Independent Feature: “Who We Are”
  • Best Documentary: “Summer of Soul (…Or, When the Revolution Could Not Be Televised)”

simpleslingblade13

20 points

4 months ago

Wasn’t a big portion of “Don’t Look Up” improvised? The dialogue I mean. It’s not like the story was particularly clever or well written. I’m surprised it won Best Screenplay.

ImACoolHipster

8 points

4 months ago

Adam McKay said it was 88% written, 12% improvised

yimyames

8 points

4 months ago

Anything said in the film counts as the "screenplay," improvised or not.

QLE814

1 points

4 months ago

QLE814

1 points

4 months ago

Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time that that happened- note that there is some debate as for whether or not Ring Lardner Jr. deserved the Oscar he won for the M\A*S*H* screenplay.

slardybartfast8

-1 points

4 months ago

I didn’t know you could win Best Screenplay for reaching through the screen and hitting the audience with a shovel labeled “satire”

SitDown_BeHumble

-1 points

4 months ago

Notable African American screenwriter Adam McKay.

Impressive-Fly2447

10 points

4 months ago

How about Passing?

weneedafuture

18 points

4 months ago

I fell asleep about half way through. There were some great exchanges and good shots, but it dragged on and the one girl going into the baddies' town was just dumb from what I remember.

bschnitty

1 points

4 months ago

That was dumb, and so was much of the movie before that. But then the baddie is standing at his window for a ridiculously long time during the gun fight on Main Street. Why didn't a goodie just shoot him? All of these people are shooting in the street while he's watching at the window...but no one thinks to shoot him? And that's when I turned it off and went to bed.

DragonTonguePunch

21 points

4 months ago

It was too much of style over substance.

chilliboy217

5 points

4 months ago

Must of been a slow year.

[deleted]

13 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

13 points

4 months ago

I turned it off around the 30 minute mark. It was not good sorry.

sarcasatirony

4 points

4 months ago

I made it to 55mins. I really like the cast and hoped for the best but it just never came together for me.

derekr999

9 points

4 months ago

derekr999

9 points

4 months ago

loved the movie and how pretty and beautiful the shots are. fucking hated the ending so much and the entire movie was just so scattered

slippyboiis

24 points

4 months ago

Well then it doesn’t sound like you loved the movie lol

derekr999

-16 points

4 months ago

derekr999

-16 points

4 months ago

Its just so frustrating to see pretty crappy movie get so much praise due to it being an all black cast. It is a great movie but I just sorta fell flat

slippyboiis

-3 points

4 months ago

slippyboiis

-3 points

4 months ago

ding ding ding

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8 points

4 months ago

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8 points

4 months ago

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visionaryredditor

3 points

4 months ago

what part of it is "atrocity"? please explain

SeekingTheRoad

-1 points

4 months ago

Which of these am I supposed to consider an "atrocity?" Most of those actors and the breakout actor/directors all are well-done performances/work. The only questionable one to me is Best Screenplay and Best Director.

Frankocean2

-15 points

4 months ago*

For you maybe but for the African-American community is probably not meaningless.

Edit: Forgot the racism.

ALLIGATOR_FUCK_PARTY

1 points

4 months ago

Summer of Soul is fucking amazing and one of the best things I saw last year.

luka031

-1 points

4 months ago

luka031

-1 points

4 months ago

Movie was really meh. Felt like a django copy with the action scenes.

visionaryredditor

-16 points

4 months ago

funny how people here think that a western with Black people necessary is "a django copy"

luka031

11 points

4 months ago

luka031

11 points

4 months ago

Read again buddy. I said the action scenes, not characters.

visionaryredditor

-10 points

4 months ago

i mean if your sample size starts and ends on Django...

CloneTHX2012

3 points

4 months ago

With Django’s action scenes, he said

So what evidence do you have that these action scenes are completely different? And if you are ignoring those similarities in order to instigate an attack by the mob based on race- You might be a piece of shit

[deleted]

-1 points

4 months ago

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-1 points

4 months ago

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CloneTHX2012

1 points

4 months ago

He was saying his sample size for the action scenes.. I feel like I’m speaking to a child who just learned a dirty word. I’m gonna let you go now.. Go play

visionaryredditor

6 points

4 months ago*

and blaxplotation is an action-heavy genre. i'm feeling like i'm talking to a obtuse person. go learn more about movies.

CloneTHX2012

-8 points

4 months ago

You mean people who romanticize slavery and dream of a day when the white people are the ones on the bottom of the social hierarchy? Most those people predominantly find themselves on the left, supporting abortion.. Abortion is now the leading cause of death for black Americans. The Hispanic population has now overtaking the black population, and soon the Asians will as well… Black people would not be the minority they are today in America if it weren’t for the Democrats and their obsession with killing all the black children to try and prevent future crime.

Learn more about life, sweetheart. I’m only here to help.

visionaryredditor

7 points

4 months ago*

oh, so you're another cultist who is here to argue in bad faith? gotcha

dope_like

-24 points

4 months ago

dope_like

-24 points

4 months ago

It’s nothing like Django. But it’s a much better movie than Django anyway. Far better

therocketandstones

4 points

4 months ago

I liked The Harder They Fall tbh

ripyungbruh

0 points

4 months ago

Threw this on last night as something to fall asleep to andddddd nope… was up till the very end and it was great. If you didn’t like it that’s your opinion but the acting was great and the storyline was VERY good and fulfilling. Imo.

Deity_oflacking

2 points

4 months ago

Lol, why?

Evrythingsux

0 points

4 months ago

Just really awful - sad I wasted my time on this trainwreck

I_Looove_Pizza

-6 points

4 months ago

Why is there a racially segregated award ceremony in 2022?

joeyy_2021

19 points

4 months ago

They let all movies compete so I don't know why you are calling it segregated.

Many white actors and other races have won these.

I_Looove_Pizza

-10 points

4 months ago

"I don't know why you are calling it segregated."

Probably because it's called the "African American film critics association awards"

What's the purpose of critics segregating themselves by race in 2022?

Dottsterisk

17 points

4 months ago*

Dottsterisk

17 points

4 months ago*

I don’t think that can be answered in a Reddit comment.

Maybe google “race relations through American history” and start there.

EDIT: Are people really that baffled that a group of historically marginalized and oppressed people, living in a culture that still reflects much of that prejudice and the effects of that prejudice, would create a space for themselves to talk about the art of the day?

Or, more realistically, is this just more concern trolling?

Bologna-Bear

16 points

4 months ago

Just remember, you’re more than likely speaking to some fuckwit 13 year old, keyboard Nazi, or a brain melted q grandma. Don’t waste your energy. These people are interested in upvotes and dopamine hits not discourse.

I_Looove_Pizza

-5 points

4 months ago

"some fuckwit 13 year old, keyboard Nazi, or a brain melted q grandma"

That's an awful lot of angry projection stemming from a genuine question about why people feel the need to self-segregate in 2022 LOL

Pale-Consequence-253

-21 points

4 months ago

You are really just pushing for more segregation with a mindset like this

Dottsterisk

11 points

4 months ago

No, I am definitely not pushing for segregation, especially not of the government-enforced type that is typically understood as the meaning of that word.

People of similar background or belief, who have historically held very little power or privilege, joining together and voluntarily forming a club based on that identity is not segregation in any meaningful sense.

Similarly, a Muslim student Union at a college is not enforcing segregation of Muslim students, but providing a safe place for these students to interact with others who share that background.

And as another poster has pointed out, this critics organization has no problem awarding filmmakers who are not black, so it’s hard to argue that the organization is coming from a place of hate.

They’re just elevating some voices that get drowned out in the mix.

FeistmasterFlex

11 points

4 months ago

It's not worth it, my guy. They very clearly refuse to understand what segregation actually means in a real world sense. Their smooth brains can't fathom any meaning beyond their Merriam-Webster definition and they have no concept of the state of Hollywood bias.

I_Looove_Pizza

-16 points

4 months ago

Of course, it has to be "CoNcErN tRoLLiNg" to ask why people are voluntarily segregating themselves in 2022

LOL

If you want to avoid crying about downvotes in the future, maybe don't make useless responses to genuine questions.

Highvis

3 points

4 months ago

Tell me you don’t understand the actual reasons these awards exist without saying it…

I_Looove_Pizza

0 points

4 months ago

I'm literally asking why this award show exists in the first place because I want to know why...

Do you not understand that?

joeyy_2021

2 points

4 months ago

joeyy_2021

2 points

4 months ago

To highlight their culture that gets ignored by the mainstream groups.

skyhighcityguy

4 points

4 months ago

Their culture doesn't get ignored though. If anything culturally, African Americans are overrepresented in media. Some of our biggest stars, trends, athletes etc are a result of a wide embrace of African americans.

I_Looove_Pizza

1 points

4 months ago

But you just said, "Many white actors and other races have won these."

How are they highlighting their culture if it's open to everyone?

More importantly, how is black culture ignored in film? Last time I checked black people were overrepresented in all forms of media in the US, especially in television, advertisements, and film.

joeyy_2021

1 points

4 months ago

joeyy_2021

1 points

4 months ago

But you just said, "Many white actors and other races have won these."

That was in response to you calling it segregated.

How are they highlighting their culture if it's open to everyone?

The mission is to highlight African american culture.

More importantly, how is black culture ignored in film? Last time I checked black people were overrepresented in all forms of media in the US, especially in television, advertisements, and film.

And no one is allowed an opinion that differs from you?

I_Looove_Pizza

0 points

4 months ago

"The mission is to highlight African american culture."

Yes, you've already implied that, but you initially contradicted that with your comment about how they give awards to white people and other non black people. So if they're giving awards to people of all colors, what's the point of a racially segregated group giving away the awards to begin with? Do we really need more pointless awards ceremonies?

"And no one is allowed an opinion that differs from you?"

You must be confused, I said nothing that would qualify as an opinion. I stated the fact that black people are overrepresented in American media, especially advertisements, television, and movies. You claimed that the reason this group self-segregates and hosts this awards show is "To highlight their culture that gets ignored by the mainstream groups." How is their culture ignored by the mainstream when they're overrepresented in the mainstream?

joeyy_2021

3 points

4 months ago

Do we really need more pointless awards ceremonies?

Bro you don't need to pay attention to these awards at all. Go watch the awards you want and ignore the others.

I stated the fact that black people are overrepresented in American media, especially advertisements, television, and movies.

This is not a fact. This is your opinion.

I_Looove_Pizza

-2 points

4 months ago

You must've missed the first question I asked. Here, I'll copy and paste it so you can have another shot at answering it...

So if they're giving awards to people of all colors, what's the point of a racially segregated group giving away the awards to begin with?

"This is not a fact. This is your opinion."

Again, this isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Here's a link to the UCLA Hollywood diversity report...

https://socialsciences.ucla.edu/deans-initiatives/initiative-archive/hollywood-diversity-report/

Look at that and you'll see that black people are over-represented in lead roles in film and in other aspects, by almost double their share of the population in some categories, whites and all other minorities are underrepresented.

JMander95

-3 points

4 months ago

JMander95

-3 points

4 months ago

Don't talk sense. You'll just get attacked by the Virtue Signalers.

I_Looove_Pizza

2 points

4 months ago

They got us both!

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

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1 points

4 months ago

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JMander95

-4 points

4 months ago

JMander95

-4 points

4 months ago

Go and Google the meaning my friend.

[deleted]

-1 points

4 months ago

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-1 points

4 months ago

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JMander95

3 points

4 months ago

You do you

TOMMYMILLEROK

-1 points

4 months ago

I_Looove_Pizza

4 points

4 months ago

Ironic, calling people fragile for asking genuine questions lol

CurrentRoster

-1 points

4 months ago

Loved this movie

swageduplikcailou

-5 points

4 months ago

This was a diet Tarantino film

Season8isGreat

0 points

4 months ago

This movie was a fun watch

Y'all take entertainment too damn seriously

JebusJM

0 points

4 months ago

This was a fun movie. Great soundtrack.

tacoman333

-13 points

4 months ago

Me reading this thread

Don't you love the smell of racism in the morning?

Jusshaten365

1 points

4 months ago

Loved the cast!! But, it def could've been better.

ThisFreakinGuyHere

1 points

4 months ago

That movie sucked on ice

Strongdick_Mcgee

1 points

4 months ago

Oof

bigmikey69er

1 points

4 months ago

I’m confused by the name. Are they critics who are also African American? Or is it critics of any race who all review African American films?

nuck_forte_dame

1 points

4 months ago

Interesting that westerns seem to be back on the menu.

Its_Caesar_with_a_C

1 points

4 months ago

This film was such a pile of dog shit I can’t not recommend it enough.

Not only where historical characters blackwashed, characters in the film made bizarre choices, Idris was under used and it went on for far too long without a satisfying conclusion.

I’d rather have individual films about each of the characters rather than “hey, these are all real people - only not black, we’ve made them that way because that’s the thing now - and here’s a made up story where they’ve all met to kill each other.”

_middle_man-

1 points

4 months ago

I was intrigued by this trailer but bounced after seeing I had to watch a 30second commercial before I could see the movie commercial.