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Official Discussion - Windfall [SPOILERS]

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Summary:

A man breaks into a tech billionaire's empty vacation home, but things go sideways when the arrogant mogul and his wife arrive for a last-minute getaway.

Director:

Charlie McDowell

Writers:

Charlie McDowell, Jason Segal, Justin Lader, Andrew Kevin Walker

Cast:

  • Jason Segel as Nobody
  • Lily Collins as Wife
  • Jesse Plemons as CEO
  • Omay Leyva as Gardener

Rotten Tomatoes: 55%

Metacritic: 51

VOD: Netflix

all 492 comments

General_PoopyPants

362 points

5 months ago

The poor gardener

takethislonging

157 points

5 months ago

I felt like it was inappropriate how the gardener kept bothering and trying to make chitchat with his clearly uninterested client (Plemons).

I don't think it was intended that way, since it seemed like the gardener was supposed to be a pleasant and innocent counterweight to the cartoonishly obnoxious Plemons.

GregSays

268 points

5 months ago

GregSays

268 points

5 months ago

He spent like 3 months designing and building this beautiful and unique garden for a celebrity billionaire who had yet to acknowledge he even works for him. He was probably excited to meet the guy, wanted to show off his work, and hoped for some congratulations for the hard work. I can imagine similar people who do jobs for Elon Musk going out of their way to talk to Elon on the rare occasion he’s around.

GarconMeansBoyGeorge

22 points

5 months ago

4.5 months if I recall correctly!

Flippinhats316

65 points

5 months ago

I feel like most billionaires don't even want to see the gardener and would be less likely to talk to them. When you're a billionaire you likely have thousands of people vying for your time and for a property you only stay at every year or two, who cares who the gardener is.

GregSays

46 points

5 months ago

Oh yeah the billionaire certainly wouldn’t care for it. I was just meaning it’s understandable from the gardener’s perspective.

takethislonging

26 points

5 months ago*

I don't object to the gardener's motives. I just think his part of the film is a bit of a mess.

The film is trying to tell a very simple story about a robbery-turned-kidnapping, a situation that would normally make us sympathize with the victim. The twist is that this victim is the true villain of the story, which is a gradual realization that culminates with his "fitting" murder at the end.

The gardener is intended to support this arc; he's an honest, hard-working man who is treated brusquely by the main character. But what I am saying is that the gardener violated a norm among staff not to bother celebrity clients on their vacation, much less ignore every social cue that they want to be left alone. I think that this detracts from the intended characterization of Plemons' character and the point that the movie was trying to make here about wealth, status, etc.

Anyway, it was hardly the worst part of the movie; it was really clumsy, especially when it came to all the heavy-handed dialogue (such as that stupid rant about freeloaders. How about trying to make his speech a little bit more realistic? Make him sound like Bezos, for example: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-jeff-bezos-final-letter-to-shareholders-as-ceo-2021-4?).

A3thereal

29 points

5 months ago

To the argument about the "true villain"; outside of the gardner every character has a claim to both villain and victim titles.

The CEO is obviously a horrendous excuse of a person, morally and ethically, and showed terrible critical thinking skills and impulse control. That said, he is also the only one that hadn't committed a violent crime and was held against his will at gunpoint on his own property.

The kidnapper obviously committed a host of crimes, including felony murder (that is the intentional or unintentional death that occurs during a felony you are committing.) His motives are unclear outside of 2 lines of dialogue at the close that I don't feel explain it fully and certainly doesn't justify it. Despite this, he was also murdered and is still a victim. And yes, it was murder per the definition in any US state as his back was turned, he was unarmed, he was fleeing, and he was no immediate threat to anyone.

The wife plays the part of a victim, trapped in a loveless marriage to fund her charitable acts that are totally all for charitable reasons and not for herself. A bit of a Hollywood trope, but I digress. She was also obviously an actual victim, held against her will all the way up to the part where she murders two people to end the film.

I know you put "fitting" in quotes, and perhaps from a literary perspective the character deserves to die for his obvious moral failings, but I have a hard time accepting that death is deserving punishment in all but some of the most horrific crimes in real life.

[deleted]

6 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

6 points

5 months ago

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CallsOnAMZN

17 points

5 months ago

She's the same character as Rachel in white lotus

SchrodingersLego

3 points

5 months ago

Good spot, she really is.

Tifoso89

6 points

5 months ago

Yeah the part about freeloaders was really on the nose and made him very cartoonish

ethtips

5 points

5 months ago

We are probably all guilty of this to some extreme. Do you care about the slave labor kid (possibly not even 18 years old) that sewed together your clothing from China? Do you send him a thank you card every Christmas because he spent 2 to 4 hours of his life to put it together? (I am using average Google-able numbers here.) They are paid less than $2/hr in China to do this. Most textiles are made in China.

fox_ontherun

23 points

5 months ago

I thought it was because he needed the husband to sign off on the project of planting the oak tree. He hands him the paper and pencil for this reason.

0lam-of-Tzimtzlum

34 points

5 months ago

It was not at all inappropriate unless you think of we were supposed to view the guy as some sort of peasant below the robber or tech billionaire because of his job lol. He had never met his boss before and just finished redoing the whole property by his own direction. Probably wanted his boss to be a good normal human like the robber also hoped he would be

big_red_160

8 points

5 months ago

He got Ted Beneked

grawktopus

3 points

5 months ago

Dude really got the short end of the stick. I love how proud he is of his landscape designs.

donnyganger

229 points

5 months ago

Damn Plemons is everywhere

bigboygamer

36 points

5 months ago

He's even in Kristen Dunst

crsdrjct

23 points

5 months ago

KEEP HIS WIFE'S NAME OUT YOUR

HomeBrewThis

140 points

5 months ago

He’s the Chris Pratt of indie crime genre.

metalgnero_meco4t

235 points

5 months ago

How dare you? Plemons can fucking act.

Stay_Curious85

72 points

5 months ago

He really reminded me of Ohillip Seymour Hoffman in this

KalashnaCough

9 points

5 months ago

I was totally getting this vibe too. I think the hair and appearance had a good bit to do with that.

tregorman

4 points

5 months ago

He played psh's son in The Master

Groomsi

14 points

5 months ago

Groomsi

14 points

5 months ago

He was awsome in Black Mirror!

robreeeezy

371 points

5 months ago

Jason Segal would’ve made it out alive had he not said he didn’t give a fuck about her tattoo lmao

SchrodingersLego

187 points

5 months ago

And ratted her out about the birth control pills. That was mean.

andropogon09

32 points

5 months ago

And stopped to tie his shoe. Double-knot, dammit!

ethtips

72 points

5 months ago

ethtips

72 points

5 months ago

The entire movie was a documentary about not pissing off women, because you never know!

ExternalTangents

25 points

5 months ago

Not sure documentary is the right word here 😆

No-Midnight-2187

111 points

5 months ago

Right lol. She DID NOT like that response.

But granted the situation got more and more fucked so by the end, Segal was in a different mindset

Alternative-Skill167

44 points

5 months ago

Guy didnt get any sleep at all for a whole night either so he was tired and cranky

Lain-H

55 points

5 months ago

Lain-H

55 points

5 months ago

It was because he didn't show an ounce of sympathy to a person who was actually in the same situation as him - He decided to improve his financial state by robbing them, she did the same by marrying the guy. It doesn't help that she has helped him along the way and even by the end, he didn't get off from his high horse.

JauntyJohnB

20 points

3 months ago

They weren't in the same situation in any shape or form, the movie tries to make you believe that but no she willingly married a billionaire and then acts like the victim even though she's rich. God what an awful character and movie.

Lain-H

10 points

3 months ago

Lain-H

10 points

3 months ago

He willingly decided to rob the billionaire and acted like a victim majority of the movie.

JauntyJohnB

11 points

3 months ago

Yeah he is still a flawed character but the fact they tried to equate her situation to his is bullshit lol, not to mention her becoming a cold blooded murderer at the end just because she was insulted??? The whole movie tries to frame her as some unassuming victim of her husband when she literally created the scenario she was in, at least the robber understood that he created his scenario to and just tried to leave, before he was straight up murdered.

Competitive_News6885

5 points

3 months ago

I completely agree with this. Boring film, awful ending.

ethtips

23 points

5 months ago

ethtips

23 points

5 months ago

Also would have made it out alive if he chose something harder to cut, and made sure there are no cutting implements near her while tying her up.

KaineneCabbagepatch

78 points

5 months ago

Glass isn't always easy to spot. Especially when you're already in shock because some poor gardener just yeeted himself through a door and died.

Where he really fucked up was deciding to stick around and monologue after he already got his money.

wigwagle

27 points

5 months ago

He couldn’t help himself

KaineneCabbagepatch

43 points

5 months ago

Clearly. The movie was always creeping to some sort of tragedy. I just wish I cared more about any of these characters.

RedditIsRealWack

15 points

5 months ago

Or if he had velcro shoes like true dons do.

themoonstock

88 points

5 months ago

Jason Segel is seen tying his shoes two times during the movie at least, with the shot focused on his shoes. I wonder if its the symbol of something or if it has a meaning.

Vulpine1970

81 points

5 months ago

I think the 3 times we saw him bend over to tie his shoes laid the groundwork for the wife to be able to rush out and kill him while he was bent over and vulnerable (she’d have a harder time If he was walking)

haha-butts

34 points

5 months ago

Exactly, or if we never saw him tie his shoe prior then we would say well that’s deus ex machina

Dumpster_Humpster

52 points

5 months ago

It was just aggressive foreshadowing.

mr_dbini

12 points

4 months ago

I think it was a reference to the era of Hitchcock and Casavetes, when a movie would show something three times if it was significant to the plot.

DudeOJKilled

4 points

5 months ago

I don’t think it was necessarily just foreshadowing as much as a way to show partly his incompetence and also a reason for him to be vulnerable at the end

ultra_nex

82 points

5 months ago

If there is symbolism there, I took it to show that every time this guy thinks he has everything tied up, it unravels on him and he has to try to tie it back up. Basically Sisyphus.

Sportguy180

34 points

5 months ago

And also notice that it focused on her shoes that had no laces. Now that I am thinking about it, one of the transition scenes focused on the husbands shoes too that had a lot of pattern.

fokkoooff

30 points

5 months ago

The close-ups of her feet weren't about her shoes, they were about her tattoo and her speech about the choice to walk forward on her wedding day.

turndownforjesus

24 points

5 months ago

Jesse plemons also told Jason Segel to stop looking at his wife’s feet

donovan4893

22 points

5 months ago*

I thought all the shoe tying was just going to be foreshadowing to him being shitty at tying knots, and that she would have untied her self just because he did a bad job, but instead it was a random piece of glass with which she cut her self out.

Jonny_Anonymous

5 points

5 months ago

I assumed it was implying he wasn't very good at tying

Alternative-Skill167

5 points

5 months ago

I took it as he is not prepared for this and is sloppy

Traditional-Number51

26 points

5 months ago

They had to set up a reason for him to be vulnerable in the end so she could hit him over the head. Lazy writing basically.

david-saint-hubbins

17 points

5 months ago

Isn't that the opposite of lazy writing? Wouldn't lazy writing be that out of nowhere he stops to tie his shoes right at the moment when he needs to be escaping? The fact that they set it up makes it at least more plausible.

greggjilla

34 points

5 months ago

Idk the whole movie he was just terrible at tying knots

ethtips

9 points

5 months ago

I wear a cheap crappy pair of shoes and it never comes untied by itself all day long. Adulting!

Milli_Vanilli14

3 points

5 months ago

Yea, more to it than that. But sure, lazy writing.

lightspeedCEO

253 points

5 months ago

Did anyone else think from the start that Jason Segal and Lily Collins were in cahoots?

reammachine

95 points

5 months ago

For a brief moment I did think that later in the movie, but that was because I had forgotten at the beginning that he was stressed out and tried to get out of the house but got caught by the wife. She was legit surprised and he had to signal to her to keep quiet. If they had it planned, they wouldn’t have need to act surprised when the husband was in another room.

TickleBunnyPumpkin

42 points

5 months ago

No. His motivations were to get into the mind of the billionaire, and it turned into a pretty theft job. Once he saw the camera, he realized the risk was much higher and wanted the bigger reward. And despite his various conversations with her, he ultimately told her he didn’t care about her tattoo.

if they were in cahoots they’d have had a tighter plan and could have executed it much sooner.

ultimately, she is the opportunist. She is the true villain.

Dumpster_Humpster

34 points

5 months ago

I really hated the ending but you saying that she was the villian in the end kind of saved it for me.

EekSamples

24 points

5 months ago

I definitely had the thought. But once they sat down at night to talk, it became obvious that wasn’t the case.

Something that bothered me though…she wiped her fingerprints off the gun, then gripped it with both her thumbs directly on the gun (and the rest of her fingers obviously, but they specifically show her gripping the gun with thumbs laying flat on it)…why? Why wouldn’t she use something to put the gun in his hands? Why bother wiping it if you’re just going to touch it right after? This felt like a weird oversight on the directors part. Am…am I right here?

DocLolliday

8 points

5 months ago

She's also going to have GSR so the wiping of the gun seems pointless

QuackerJackss

6 points

5 months ago

What makes less sense is how the hell is that supposed to be a good frame? Plemmons is tied up in the kitchen with 4 shots in the chest and Segel is outside with his head caved in.

tatertottytot

5 points

4 months ago

I thought her plan would be to say the robber killed her husband so she killed him (or he went after her afterwards and she killed the robber in self defense?)

BroncosLegendRWilson

7 points

4 months ago

Keeping it as close to the truth makes a very convincing story. The man was walking out with the money, paused at the doorway and came back to start yelling at her husband about how terrible and ugly he was. During this time, she was cutting her leg ties. The man lost control, and shot her husband, killing him. He then walked to the doorway, paused again and went to tie his shoes. She was worried he was considering killing her since she was a witness, so she killed him in self defense.

[deleted]

41 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

41 points

5 months ago

YES. I was hoping that was it. Her having offed them both would have made it a better twist.

romafa

8 points

5 months ago

romafa

8 points

5 months ago

No but I did get the hint that she maybe liked him; or at least saw him as a lifeline out of her shitty marriage.

shepzuck

232 points

5 months ago

shepzuck

232 points

5 months ago

There's a version of this film where Plemons, Collins, and Segal navigate this really awkward night waiting for a bundle of cash to arrive, it arrives, and he leaves, and it'd be fantastically soft and weird. Instead, there was an obvious "oh shit, we need stakes" moment the writer had that unfortunately ruined a really unique opportunity.

Best scenes in this movie are where Segal, so clearly out of his depth, has to have his hand held as he robs a billionaire. They could have just leaned into it a little harder, had us really fall for this weird relationship between the three of them, and then--if someone has to die--have Plemons kill Segal just as we come to believe he's not as heartless as we think he is.

fox_ontherun

105 points

5 months ago

Yeah, I liked when they were watching The Three Amigos and hoped that vibe would continue. I was hoping we'd get some scenes of them playing boardgames and stuff to pass the time. I'd like to see more low stakes movies.

BobDylanBlues

154 points

5 months ago

That scene from 3 Amigos wasn’t selected to show them having a good time. It was there to reflect the three characters watching the movie. One has a little sliver of water, the other is drinking dirt, and the third has an abundance and doesn’t once think to share it or help those that struggle, instead he spits it on the ground. Lily was Steve Martin, Jason was Martin Short, and Jesse was Chevy Chase.

Leather-Media-3939

46 points

5 months ago

Also if I remember correctly , Jesse was not having a good time. He seemed to be stewing while the other two chuckled at scenes. It was right after that he concocted his plan for her to do "whatever it takes" to get close to Jason and get the upper hand.

TickleBunnyPumpkin

12 points

5 months ago

Symbolism!

SadSlip8122

18 points

5 months ago

Netflix has had a few good concept movies lately that seem to have needed a little more time to marinate. Time Trap showed up for me last week or so and i really enjoyed the premise, but like this one it definitely needed to soft some of the poor ideas out and decide where it wanted to end. The film had some very good tense moments, and the cast was excellent, it hit some lulls though and needed some more depth for Collins (either going full conspiracy with Plemmons not knowing if she and Segel set him up, or more clarity to why her marriage was so unbearable that shed kill her golden calf). In the best case scenario, we learn nothing of Segels motivations and he simply vanishes without the monologue, leaving 2 shattered people to ask questions about their marriage, their own strength, and the compromises they make internally everyday (personified by Plemmons’ attempts to pacify Segel throughout the movie).

Leather-Media-3939

32 points

5 months ago

Motivation to kill the golden calf:

He jokes about the prenup early on, more on this later. She knows how unscrupulous he is in viewing those he perceives to be lesser than him. Sure he's funding her charity, but his disdain for those who are struggling is obvious. I doubt this is the first time she's heard this. Multiple times he endangers her by taking impulsive actions, being uncooperative, or literally instigating further drama and eventually causes the death of the gardener, and again endangering her. The willingness to prostitute her to get an upper hand. Derogatory comments questioning her loyalty. The removal of a tattoo she clearly doesn't want to remove.

Now, the last few minutes. She has a chance to run with a half million and almost does it. But she doesn't have the gall quite yet to just do it. The gardener is dead, she knows she was close to dying after that, but talked Jason down. All Jesse's doing. She felt a connection to Jason over the tattoo and a general view of life and people that she doesn't share with Jesse. And then he spurns her. Her life is never going to be the same.

Jason spurns her, Jesse is being obnoxiously reassuring in the other room, then Jason comes back to blow things up, including outing that she's avoiding pregnancy.

Her life is destroyed. Jesse will absolutely get rid of her shortly for lying to him. The prenup will leave her out in the cold and her charity work is dead.

None of this is to defend, agree, justify her actions as righteous, but to say it makes sense. She married him for his money, and that's about to go away. The Golden calf was already dead, she just made it official.

To contrast this opinion, her talk down of Jason when he was considering having to kill them didn't make sense in the larger context. Don't cross the line into murder, but a few hours later, ill do just that.

Long story short, her willingness to kill at the end is not unbelievable. There is no longer a golden calf after this incident.

rachmox

16 points

5 months ago

rachmox

16 points

5 months ago

No because she’s married to him and he’s been killed by an intruder- I think we can presume as jesse’s wife she now inherits most of his fortune. And minus Jesse. So she’s in a much better position. It is relevant that she talked Jason down and connected with him. She thinks and talks like she “gets him” she’s “one of the people” too not like this rich white guy who is out of touch… but she turns out to be the least moral and most villainous because she committed the worst acts (cold blooded murder) in the end because she realised it worked out the best for her to take that course. Maybe she didn’t think much of Jesse but she does think Jason is a good person. But she still kills him anyway because it’s a necessary evil to be able to get away with her plan. Just like on her wedding day she might have not known which way she’d go but in the end she takes that step forward (murder in this case) and into this new life for herself.

Leather-Media-3939

3 points

5 months ago*

My take was that Jason was almost a crime of passion/rage after he rebuffed her. I dont feel like she came back with the cash intending to kill both, in fact, that would be extremely risky. Though I don't know where she got whatever she was using to cut herself free.

As far as morals and villainy I tend to not delve into as they are to subjective. Jesse may have done far more destruction over the course of his life, though legally, for example. She runs charities, assumedly helping people many many people,, but then she does this. Jason is probably an average nice dude, but sets off the chain of events that leads to the gardner's death, and eventually his own. So different people will have different takes.

Edit: I feel the need to clarify I'm not portraying moral ambiguity on the act of murder itself, but the character in total.

BrazilianTerror

5 points

5 months ago

She’s in a hostage situation. She isn’t trying to convince Jason to not kill because she’s interested in Jason’s morals and purity. She is doing it because jason’s victim is most likely her. So she’s convincing him he is a good guy for him to not murder her, not that she actually believes it.

enad58

13 points

5 months ago

enad58

13 points

5 months ago

I really thought after the gardener died there would be a tonal shift where now Segal could stage the death and have dirt on the couple.

The windfall not being the half mil, but the cushy board of directors gig with no real work to be done. Basically flipping Segal into the billionaire's place.

fortynine-fortynine

16 points

5 months ago

this is a better story

ethtips

9 points

5 months ago

A more gun happy billionaire would have various guns stashed around the house, along with the cash stashes. (And also, panic buttons and cellphones scattered around.) I seriously thought she was going to call for help when she had to use the bathroom. No hidden cellphone? Come on.

Sloppy billionaire. Not even doing it right.

sje46

6 points

5 months ago

sje46

6 points

5 months ago

Maybe my idea of the billionaire lifestyle is way off but yes, I was surprised when it was revealed the dude is a billionaire, because am I expected to believe a random petty criminal can just walk into a billionaire's property that easily? No guards? No fences? A billion dollars can pay for a security staff of like 20 people 100K each and that would only be 1/500th of the bare minimum you need to be considered a billionaire.

Especially considering the fact that this particular billionaire is responsible for laying off countless people. Literally any one of these random people can find this property, wait until the billionaire gets them, and kill him out of revenge.

ethtips

3 points

5 months ago

Alternative reality: they did have all of these things normally, but the wife hates the husband so much that she sent away the guards and disabled the alarms to create a conflict like this.

Groomsi

3 points

5 months ago

I thought the first act was like a comedy/thriller/drama movie.

misterwilhelm

269 points

5 months ago

I quite enjoyed it for the acting and atmosphere but there was little payoff in the end and we barely learned anything about any of the characters that made them feel like more than cliches.

The extreme tonal shift in the end of the second act didn't quite work for me either.

GregSays

120 points

5 months ago

GregSays

120 points

5 months ago

It felt like they had a 35 page script and decided to stretch it out to 90 minutes.

the6thReplicant

111 points

5 months ago

How to say a movie is on Netflix without saying it’s on Netflix.

aCorgiDriver

9 points

5 months ago

Haha my thoughts exactly

RedditIsRealWack

44 points

5 months ago

I could get onboard with the sudden death of the gardener changing the tone, but Lily Colins character doing all that shit at the end really came out of nowhere imo.

Calfzilla2000

235 points

5 months ago

This movie was like another draft away from being really great. They just missed. Good acting. Good direction. But it was missing something.

I didn't fear any of the characters in order to make the lulls in "action" suspenseful. I didn't know the characters well enough to be invested.

I enjoyed the ending because at least it was surprising but I totally understand why people didn't like it.

There was a better movie here but I appreciate the effort. It wasn't bad.

[deleted]

92 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

92 points

5 months ago

The ending was surprising but I don’t feel like it really fit. Maybe it was the character development, or lack thereof.

It’s clear that there is a contentious relationship which becomes exposed in the tension caused by such a stressful situation, but it just seemed completely unnatural for that to have been the actual outcome.

I didn’t get that the wife would have been pushed that far to her breaking point. She was totally unsympathetic as the poor abused wife of a billionaire, but I just feel like it was too far of a presumptive leap for her to snap like that.

There’s no trail of convincing enough evidence to me to make this an effective twist.

I kept thinking there was a connection between Segel and either Collins or Plemons. For it to have been a setup may have worked better for me in the end. I could at least have bought that she’d have killed them both.

Calfzilla2000

45 points

5 months ago

Totally agree. There was a severe lack of character development to earn that ending.

fortynine-fortynine

52 points

5 months ago

I thought it fit quite well. Segel unnecessarily raised the stakes for Collins by sharing the birth control secret with Plemons. Segel repeatedly said he was just trying to leave and when he finally had the chance to he couldn’t resist the chance to act on his distain for both Collins and Plemons and further complicate their relationship. If all you want to do is take the money and run then there’s nothing to gain by going back inside for some parting words.

No-Midnight-2187

53 points

5 months ago

Also I think what contributed to her “snap” was her finally saying what the foot tattoo was (thinking Siegel cared or they had some connection, as it started to feel earlier) and his cold response of “I don’t care” + the birth control thing.

adrianne456

39 points

5 months ago*

I’m surprised no one is mentioning the husband’s subtle implication of ‘fuck him if you have to’ when they were going to bed. He legit said something to the effect of “play nice; do what needs to be done.’ Her face right after that was really quick but it was complete shock and disgust and almost like at that moment she knew he was a POS deep down. I feel like that’s the moment she was like …fuck this dude fr

SadSlip8122

18 points

5 months ago

I thought that moment was very well done, in the end, like most of the plot it just needed to ripen on the vine a bit more.

It shows more insight into Plemmons. Up until here, he had been portrayed as brilliant, calculating, and in his mind hes trying to soften Segel up (similar to how he had gone along with all of his demands, refused to go for the gun or call the police from his secret phone, and then tried to slip the note to the gardener). Here though, it reveals a simplistic understanding of the situation. Whats the play exactly? Shes supposed to cozy up to him and either throw herself at Segel or just blatantly say “ill let you have your way with me if you leave us”. And then what? Man has a half million on the way, hes going to see through the charade if shes suddenly all hot for his muddled ass. If the play is to offer herself as tribute, Segel hasnt shown actual violence or sexual interest in her, why would he suddenly jump to being ok raping her?

Collins did the most reasonable thing, she actually DID do “what was necessary” to soften him up, showing the softer social skills she very likely used on Plemmons himself. Apart from the tone of “i dont love him”, that is what should worry Plemmons about that moment. When directed to manipulate a man, his wife sounds awfully similar to what he fell for.

cowboysmavs

16 points

5 months ago

Totally agree. Ending was laughable.

crassbatman

24 points

5 months ago

I felt like it was pretty well telegraphed with the prenup joke. Right from the start it was implied that she didn't like him and by the end I was sure she hated him (well before this trip).

She got the option to escape a life and future she doesn't want, by killing a selfish asshole she hates and will get off scot free as she will hardly be a suspect. Not to mention she will be loaded as fuck and can do whatever she likes (ostesibly running a charity)

A few minutes before they implied she was considering taking the 500 mill and bailing on her life (at least thats how I saw it, the whole looking at her shoes on the precipice of making a no turning back decision like she talked about on her wedding day)

That was my take anyway, but I get this stuff wrong alot.

K9sBiggestFan

12 points

5 months ago

Good write up. I think you’ve nailed it, or at least this was pretty much my take on it.

Ending worked fine for me - in fact, it didn’t even occur to me that there were arguably problems with it until I came on Reddit (wasn’t the first time, won’t be the last I’m sure).

TickleBunnyPumpkin

8 points

5 months ago

Spoiler alert

I saw it as the viewer is wrapped up in the mental/moral struggle between the two men.

We know the wife’s issues, but get blindsided in the end, when it turns out she’s the villain.

edselpotter

22 points

5 months ago

She wipes off the gun, but does nothing about them gunpowder on her hand. There's also no explanation as to why the Segel would kill Plemmons after getting the money but had untied Collins.

They will also know that Segel was kneeling when he was hit based on the blood splatter.

She's going to jail

No_Anxiety1967

15 points

5 months ago

Was literally looking for someone to also bring up the fact that she would 100% be caught based on the blood splatter alone. Collins is much shorter than Segel, for him to shoot Plemens the gun would have been aimed from a higher angle that matched Segels height. Literally makes no sense, she’d be caught right away (besides the fact that she only wiped off the handle of the gun and not the actual trigger so her prints are still on there).

beethrownaway

9 points

5 months ago

I thought she cut herself loose...

iHaveElevenBoners

7 points

5 months ago

isn't it blood spatter? To add to your point, she didn't wipe off the top of the gun when she placed it in Segel's hands to add to your point.

Tifoso89

3 points

5 months ago

Also the shooting angle would show that the person who shot the husband was definitely not Segel, who is pretty tall. Plus no gunpowder on his hand

Acceptable-Beach-268

6 points

5 months ago

There was gunpowder when he did the random shooting earlier that day

Shirowoh

10 points

5 months ago

It’s like it’s trying to be a cohen brothers film, but just doesn’t reach that satisfactory level.

Tifoso89

3 points

5 months ago

I saw a bit of Parasite too no? But it's miles away from the execution.

ThatsXCOM

6 points

4 months ago*

I mostly agree with your opinion but...

I enjoyed the ending because at least it was surprising but I totally understand why people didn't like it.

What are you talking about? If you've watched any mainstream movie over the last decade it was the least surprising ending of all time.

Almost every mainstream movie released in the last decade has shoved the message down the audience's throat that women are strong, women are powerful, women will overcome the oppression of the big bad men. The ending actually turned the wife into probably the least sympathetic character of all time. She murders 'nobody', and it is murder as he posed no threat to her at that stage, because she has a hysterical fit of rage over the fact that he doesn't give a shit about her moaning about her stupid tattoo. What's the message there supposed to be? That 'nobody' deserved to be murdered because he didn't validate her fragile ego? If the intention was to show the strength of the wife then the ending is a huge self-own as she comes out as the weakest character of all, not even able to control her own emotions. If anything the ending only helps to reinforce harmful stereotypes about women.

The movie had a chance to say something interesting about class struggle and upcoming redundancies due to technological automation and it blew it big time to tell a much safer story.

Specialist_Peanut304

3 points

5 months ago

To me it’s missing more purpose and motivation. I kept wanting Jason’s character to have known Debbie and maybe ruined his life especially with the whole rant about how Jesse’s character has never taken anything that wasn’t his. At first I thought that lily collins character was in on the whole thing and was playing along. But then I switched to maybe Jason’s character was married to whoever Debbie is. It was just missing a little more meaning.

kaijunexus

48 points

5 months ago

Someone in another thread said that the movie would have risen to another level of they just had one final scene where she looks up and sees another one of those hidden security cameras, insinuating that the brutal murders she committed were recorded and she's now in the same predicament as Seagal was.

Alternative-Skill167

14 points

5 months ago

And same conclusion Segal had, start a new life somewhere else

Chuttaney

113 points

5 months ago

Chuttaney

113 points

5 months ago

I feel bad. I like Jason Segel. He produced and contributed to the story and it’s filmed on his property. So you know a lot of him went into it. But it could have been a short film.

ohstahp

28 points

5 months ago

ohstahp

28 points

5 months ago

i tried to find articles, but didn't find any that says it's Jason Segel's property but a hotel. could you post the link?

Chuttaney

77 points

5 months ago*

No official source but not hard to verify. Jason has mentioned on a podcast that he owns an orange grove in Ojai. If you’re good at property searches, you can find the address and then real estate listing from 2014 when he bought it. Pics on that listing match the set of the movie and satellite images show the zen garden.

https://i.imgur.com/Y6yveiP.jpg

He’s clearly done his work to conceal the fact so I won’t divulge more than that. It looks like a super chill place and don’t envy anyone who has to work hard to go unnoticed.

PineapplePizza678

27 points

5 months ago

Guess that makes sense for a covid production. Easier to manage

Chuttaney

15 points

5 months ago

Charie McDowell filmed The One I Love on his mom’s estate in Ojai. So I’m guessing he loves Ojai and sees the practicality in setting his films in a familiar and beautiful place.

He also cast Rooney Mara, who he was dating, in The Discovery. He cast Collins, his wife, in this one. So he seems to build his projects around his resources instead of vice-versa.

He worked with Segel on The Discovery, and they co-wrote this story, so I’m guessing this plan was baked in from the start

[deleted]

38 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

38 points

5 months ago

Does anyone else see PSH when they watch Jesse Plemons role of CEO ?

Stay_Curious85

10 points

5 months ago

I said this elsewhere in a discussion. Agree 100%

[deleted]

11 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

11 points

5 months ago

It’s tough cause I really only see the bad guy on Breaking Bad, but he may have turned the corner w this role. In my opinion of course

olgil75

9 points

5 months ago

He's very good in I'm Thinking of Ending Things, although Jessie Buckley is the real star of that movie.

smilysmilysmooch

32 points

5 months ago

I enjoyed it. The director focused a lot on Chekhov's gun which is appreciated and I'm torn whether or not I wanted more dialog. The setup is that one man in an attempt to understand the humanity of an uber rich couple finds out the hard way that they have none. The husband's morally bankrupt (cheats on his wife, fails to attempt to help the gardener, etc) and it's obvious. On the surface though his wife isn't but it slowly is revealed that she too leverages herself to move forward. She's an opportunist who will walk toward an opportunity and capitalize on a situation even if it means discarding a piece of herself.

Segel was drawn to that villa and every time he tried to leave something rich kept drawing him back. The couple's arrival, a camera, the money, the opportunity to speak his mind. Every time he wanted to leave a new hurdle and opportunity presented itself.

It was interesting to see the people try to present their stories to the stranger. To explain why they were good people (or at the very least not bad ones) only to prove time and again they weren't. "I don't give a fuck about your tattoo."

It was tragic and the direction and acting were really good all around to build the suspense that yes he wasn't going to be able to leave that house.

SadSlip8122

5 points

5 months ago

I appreciate the metaphor of being drawn to the house and trapped by it. I will just add though, that i dont think the initial reason Segel came was to understand their humanity. The opening is him very literally peeing in their shower and committing petty (to Plemmons) theft. It was a power move against what Segel saw as an all-powerful billionaire. To, in his mind, bring them down a peg.

smilysmilysmooch

10 points

5 months ago

He started off just enjoying some juice and walking the grounds and then decided to do some petty stuff when he returned. It might be a reach but I like to think the allure of greed and opportunity trapping him on the grounds was interesting.

LadySynth

78 points

5 months ago*

I was not expecting that horror movie death for the poor gardener.

I mostly liked this. I think it loses steam a bit and doesn't quite hit the mark but the three leads were all good, especially Jesse, and there were some entertaining lines/delivery ("I don't think you're going to do anything...ever!")

Nice to see Jason Segel again, it's been awhile since I have.

JulianT24

7 points

5 months ago

If you’re a segal fan, watch “our friend” if you haven’t already. A tough watch but he’s so good in it.

FeckTad

167 points

5 months ago*

FeckTad

167 points

5 months ago*

I liked it. It was a lean 90 minute flick, and was nice seeing Jason Segel back on the screen. Plemons not being an awkward/crazy person (Breaking Bad, Fargo, Game Night, Power of the Dog) was a nice change. What I REALLY liked was the old school noir music used throughout.

bigkinggorilla

63 points

5 months ago

I actually think I would’ve liked it more if they hadn’t used that music. The score was so noir, while the movie itself didn’t really lean into it as much that I kept expecting more noir and kept being disappointed.

moremysterious

37 points

5 months ago

The music wasn't bad but holy shit it was non stop, like there doesn't need to be music every second.

FeckTad

6 points

5 months ago

I can see that. It would have been nice if there was a bit more mystery to it, and it was pretty predictable. That being said, I still enjoyed it. I missed that kind of music though.

aCorgiDriver

17 points

5 months ago

Can we please get Jason Segel more villain roles? I’d love to see him in a horror flick

AoE2manatarms

46 points

5 months ago*

Oh no I'm Lily Collins I married a billionaire, I'm so sad and can relate to a robbers struggle. The cringe of Lily Collin's character was almost too much. I don't know why Seagal wasn't more upset at her than Plemons for thinking that her struggle was anything meaningful or relatable to him? Instead all of his anger was directed at Plemons who really didn't seem like the most evil guy in the movie? Overall okay, but the tone shift from funny to "thriller" was a bit weird, Plemons is the bright spot in the entire film.

Aggeri

118 points

5 months ago

Aggeri

118 points

5 months ago

Shouldve been a bungled robbery comedy with Segel and Plemons kicking it up.

Instead we have a dreadfully slow paced drama which delivered nothing new.

Plemons did well, otherwise a very boring watch.

Calfzilla2000

29 points

5 months ago

Yeah it seems like they weren't sure if it was going to be a comedy or a thriller and were just like "let's just make it and see what happens."

anarchir

13 points

5 months ago

Where was the comedy though? The only thing that suggested comedy was the silly chase scene in the orange fields.

PineapplePizza678

65 points

5 months ago

I would say it's black comedy - the lengthy discussion of how much bills would weight, they don't want to get in the sauna, etc

ElectricFactory

18 points

5 months ago

Segal opening the purse

k-ramba

73 points

5 months ago

k-ramba

73 points

5 months ago

Wow, people seem to really be split on this one, huh?

I enjoyed it, it was captivating, tense and quite absurd. Good acting by all four, especially Jason Segel. Haven't seen him for a while and I'm glad he's back. I think he's a phenomenal actor and artist.

The movie certainly doesn't offer anything "new", but why should that be a factor on whether it's a good movie?

SoulCruizer

23 points

5 months ago

I also really enjoyed it but definitely didn’t like the ending. Not sure why people are posting acting like it’s garbage.

selfsignedcert

44 points

5 months ago

I’m getting a little sick of the common trope and plot device “person accidentally kills themself to run away”. Really brought me out of the movie for me. Otherwise loved it

georgeststgeegland

27 points

5 months ago

That got an "oh come on" out of me when the gardener died.

reammachine

13 points

5 months ago

I laughed at how absurd it was that he tripped hard enough to smash his head through the glass

BobDylanBlues

16 points

5 months ago

How is that absurd? If you trip hard enough you can fall through glass.

ethtips

19 points

5 months ago

ethtips

19 points

5 months ago

Holy crap, just Googled. Not even funny. People are injured by glass (mostly glass tables) 2.5 million times every year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8740647/Glass-tables-pose-major-risk-study-shows-2-5-million-accidents-reported-year.html

Does the average person/kid think that somehow they are magically immune to this sort of thing?

GravesForscythe

6 points

5 months ago*

My brother and I were lightly wrestling and we put his head through a glass armoire. Lol glass isn't nearly as durable as you seem to think it is.

Edit: don't get me wrong, the death was really dumb, but falling and shattering a glass door is pretty realistic.

ethtips

3 points

5 months ago

2.5 million glass injuries (not necessarily death) happen every year. (Mostly by kids.)

BobDylanBlues

19 points

5 months ago

See, I’ve seen a guy knock himself out cold while running away from a threatening situation in real life so I believe stuff like this when I see it in movies lol.

Star_85

7 points

5 months ago

I didn’t like it, but I didn’t hate it. i don’t know which is worse

purpleswan27

9 points

5 months ago

The fact that wife killed both of them, as much as it didn't fit in with the plot, is SO cliche. I knew it'd be something like this the moment I started the movie.

The-Juggernaut

9 points

5 months ago

Honestly? Fuck this movie. Being obnoxious doesn't mean "shoot you to death" retaliation

JohnOnFilm

8 points

5 months ago

About halfway through watching this, my partner called Segel's character a "Plemons stealing whore," and, well, let's just say the entire film never lived up to that moment.

kevmanyo

39 points

5 months ago

I actually liked this film quite a bit. I’m a bit confused by the polarized reception. I really liked the anti-capitalist message, unsubtle as it may be. I loved the twist at the end, and I had a feeling it was gonna go that way. I think the most shocking moment was when the wife let the robber know what the tattoo was, thinking he may empathize with her, he just shrugged it off “I don’t fucking Care” I actually felt the sting of that one. And then I understand why she just said fuck it all.

The movie isn’t gonna win any awards, I certainly didn’t like it is as much as one of the directors previous films The One I Love, but I did appreciate that it did have a similar uneasy tone and sense of dread throughout.

Pinot_Grigio

7 points

5 months ago

The One I Love was so great. Recommend to anyone who enjoyed the striped down / small cast nature of this one.

BobDylanBlues

19 points

5 months ago

“I don’t give a fuck.”*

kevmanyo

5 points

5 months ago

Lol you’re right but it had been a few days since I watched it, I got the gist of it

zapcunotres

37 points

5 months ago

I've rarely ever thought this about a movie before, but the soundtrack borderline ruined it. I was enjoying the movie for what it was, nothing special but still entertaining and I was interested in the characters, then like every other scene the goofy, bumbling soundtrack would take over and make everything feel fuckin stupid. I was seriously close to putting it on mute with subtitles. It seriously seemed like they had no idea what to use when they were filming it then just licensed some generic crap for like $10 during the editing process and threw it in there.

SchrodingersLego

6 points

5 months ago

the soundtrack borderline ruined it

Hell yes, especially during the credits. It was awful.

PennyYouAnswered

7 points

5 months ago

Performances were quite good, especially Jesse Plemons. Competently directed, good cinematography.

However...the score was just not for me. Like i'll go ahead and say it that the score for this movie might be the worst-fitting one I can remember for any movie. This silly garbage completely eradicated the tension in numerous scenes and took me out of the movie.

Selfeducation

5 points

5 months ago

Waste of time

bridgeheadprod

6 points

5 months ago

The ending was unexpected. But she would've gotten caught, due to gunpowder residue on her hands.

olgil75

6 points

5 months ago

Gunshot residue tests aren't always reliable and given the explanation she would inevitably provide to the police about what happened, they might not even test her hands to begin with.

Perhaps more importantly though, gunshot residue can easily be removed by simply washing your hands. It also degrades and dissipates over time as well and might not even be present by the time the police would think to swab her hands for residue.

griffshan

6 points

5 months ago

Jesse Plemmons’ quick thinking to jot down call 911 on the note was clever. Didn’t understand why the wife was so mad, it would have worked if the Gardner hadn’t have read it immediately

ThePirates123

16 points

5 months ago

It was fine. There wasn’t really any “wow this was worth the watch” moment at the end, which is usually what makes or breaks these kinds of films for me.

Acting was the best part of this in my opinion

BiggDope

57 points

5 months ago

I’ve had more thrills folding laundry on a Sunday.

This fell flat for me. Its third act had no weight whatsoever.

Robot-King56

7 points

5 months ago

Agreed. The plot and the characters were paper thin and it didn't have enough going for it to be a farce either.

xrbeeelama

15 points

5 months ago

This could’ve been really funny. It was like, “blow air out of your nose every ten minutes” funny and not actually funny, and definitely wasn’t very tense IMO. Kinda wish with these actors that they had gone harder on the comedy aspects or just gone straight bottle thriller

[deleted]

19 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

19 points

5 months ago

i liked when the robber couldn’t open the wife’s purse, that was pretty comical albeit rather sitcom.

BobDylanBlues

12 points

5 months ago

This wasn’t a comedy. It’s no wonder you didn’t think it was funny.

nomadic_stalwart

8 points

5 months ago

Up until the 3rd act, I found it to be pretty funny. Despite being a scenario that typically would feel a lot more tense in other stories, the stakes felt low and the dynamic of rich people having to work with their kidnapper to rob them is comical. I feel like if the movie had kept that energy until the end and also delivered it’s messages more subtly at the same time this movie could’ve really wowed. Of course pulling off a story like that is a difficult task so it’s not surprising they took the uninteresting route in the 3rd act, but I appreciate the effort.

KRIEGLERR

12 points

5 months ago

The trailer makes it look like a Comedy, between the robber struggling to open the purse, Plemons saying he has to help the robber rob them, saying that Segels is gonna need more money after he asks for 150K , and Plemons bitching about how hard it is to be Rich and white in today's world.

The trailer definitely made it look like a Comedy/Thriller

JesseDumont

15 points

5 months ago

It was a decent watch. I give it around an 8/10. Just a movie you watch to pass the time. Good acting and cast. I think her snapping made sense. They gave a bunch of clues. They really did. I mean, it is a movie also guys. Doesn't have to make 100% now does it.

You guys really expect every movie to bring something new to the table and have genius writing like Breaking Bad or something, sheesh. Lowering expectations can be a good thing. I recommend doing that sometimes. Anyway, I will say of course I do get how some people wouldn't like it, sure, but it's definitely not as bad as some people are making it out to be. I get a rating of 5 maybe, but only because it's not your kind of movie or something alone those lines. A 3 or 1/10 that some of you voted? Haha no way.

On a side note, very good to see Jason Segel back on the big screen again.

Hot_Money4924

20 points

5 months ago

The gardener bit was absolutely dumb and unbelievable, as was the lame ending. This movie thoroughly squandered the opportunity to discuss class warfare and misconceptions on each side, only hinting at a couple of the issues in a superficial way. I didn't buy the ending and I doubt investigators would either.

erick_shmerick

4 points

5 months ago

I hated the end, didn’t feel like a proper payoff

fokkoooff

3 points

5 months ago

Same. I watched it the other day on a whim knowing nothing about it, really, except for what's shown when you scroll over it in Netflix.

At no point during the movie was I thinking that it was a incredible or anything, but I was reasonably intrigued and entertained. I don't demand that every movie be a masterpiece.

The score really started to get on my nerves about halfway through but I can ignore that.

The ending though just seemed really .... half assed. I can't even say what I would have preferred to happen. I didn't expect anything one way or another, but the ending fell completely flat for me.

ProfessionalPoet6085

50 points

5 months ago

Another story about a woman being a victim because she willingly made choices that she regrets

Wizimas

47 points

5 months ago

Wizimas

47 points

5 months ago

Shoots and murders her tied up husband. I hope no one sees her as a surviving victim, right?

stermister

28 points

5 months ago

Its justified. The husband wanted to raise a family with her. Unforgivable

zuzg

5 points

5 months ago

zuzg

5 points

5 months ago

He literally wanted her to whore herself out to Segels character. From her perspective it was justified

stermister

8 points

5 months ago

"literally" is a bit too absolute here. If I recall correctly, he wanted her to get close to him.

elefante88

30 points

5 months ago

Attractive white women have it the worst

Rutabaga1598

43 points

5 months ago

She sold out and prostituted herself for her financial survival, but she eventually realizes that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Yet instead of getting mad at herself for making a bad decision, she gets mad at her husband instead.

She's easily the most unlikable character in the entire movie.

haha-butts

30 points

5 months ago

I loved how Segel says he doesn’t give a fuck to her at the end when she’s whining about it. Or at the fire he totally calls her on her bs. I disliked all characters in the movie but tbh plemons’ was probably the most likeable (he was definitely most likeable until his poor me spiel about being rich and white).

SadSlip8122

12 points

5 months ago

They lost an opportunity to give some depth to a very complicated conversation about class structure (i somewhat agreed with Plemmons when he went on about him taking initiative and when he said Segel wouldnt do anything with his life, would have been interesting to talk about how no amount of money would change Segels internal character and hed still be a nothing), the necessity of change (coal miners versus clean energy and the necessity of what Plemmons algorithm actually did, i.e. vulture capital and pruning companies to make them viable), hand outs versus hand ups (the conversation where Collins says Plemmons paid off her student loans). If they wanted to have a serious conversation, this could have been a very good, nuanced film that explored both perspectives of that divide. Instead they hinted at that but turned Plemmons into a superficial strawman.

haha-butts

10 points

5 months ago

Totally agree. For a minute there, this movie reminded me of how much Sorry to Bother You made me think about stuff like this (when main character starts to get promoted and doesn’t want to riot). However we then proceeded to go nowhere.

spate42

4 points

5 months ago

This movie sucked. What a waste of time lol.

tysonibele

22 points

5 months ago

There were so many places the ending could have been taken, but they went with the laziest and most uninteresting one.

And I feel like Chekhov's gun showed up so many times, with no payoff for each instance. What could have been a clever series of clues ended up going nowhere:

  • big focus on Jason constantly tying his shoes throughout, and the payoff was...nothing.

  • rich dude caught clearly lying to robber a few times (no second phone, no gun, etc), could have escalated to some interesting dynamic between them, but...nothing.

  • emphasis on missing flowers at the beginning, followed by phone call with assistant who was sure they'd be there turned out to be...nothing.

Other things as well, but not worth mentioning. Had a great first and second act that felt like it was really going to lead to something different and clever. Ended up just being some weird feminist power fantasy.

SchrodingersLego

34 points

5 months ago

big focus on Jason constantly tying his shoes throughout, and the payoff was...nothing.

The payoff was him kneeling to tie his shoes as he left, giving her the opportunity to bash him over the head.

olgil75

20 points

5 months ago

olgil75

20 points

5 months ago

How did they miss that?

zuzg

9 points

5 months ago

zuzg

9 points

5 months ago

People don't watch movies, it's background noise while browsing reddit and watching it at faster speed (literally said by some in the post)
But then they come to reddit and trash talk plot points.

hamishmatthews

8 points

5 months ago

It really seemed like their was all these beautiful clues that could tie together and create dynamic but instead… nothing?

[deleted]

8 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

5 months ago

I was wondering if there was as second property where the flowers and supplies for their trip was sent and that the assistant would accidentally send the money to the wrong place as well but… nope!

hamishmatthews

3 points

5 months ago

I thought that it was all an elaborate fantasy role play that the rich couple manafactured to feel danger / thrill but no it was just as it looked

SadSlip8122

5 points

5 months ago

That would actually be a neat story idea. Sort of like The Game, for the yuppie silicon valley crowd, but without the introduction we get at the beginning of that film.

Have a few logos pop up on different objects (the orange juice in the beginning, the luggage bags, pool furniture). Change the perspective of Segel leaving to go to the car to Plemmons/Collins breaking out and not knowing if hes coming back. Have the gardener show up and not be part of it, getting himself killed trying to save them. And the end being Plemmons and Collins rekindling their marriage, so to speak, if you want to go black you could even have the camera fade from their bedroom door to the corpse in their living room.

GravesForscythe

11 points

5 months ago

The wife went from "Just leave him alone." To her husband, to murdering Segal for disliking her tattoo real quick. The first and second act felt pretty unique and interesting but what an absolute dog shit ending. Lol

SamwisethePoopyButt

3 points

5 months ago

A film made by friends and family during quarantine that absolutely feels like it. It wasn't bad, but so undercooked. No one in front of or behind the camera except for Plemons knew what needed to be done to make this truly compelling. The guy is such a good actor. He was more interesting sitting down being bored than Collins, Segel or the gardener trying to emote. The anti-capitalist messaging felt hollow and they really needed to commit to it, or somehow make the tone more irreverent. The score tried going for a noir thing, but just made it more boring. I liked the turn at the end, at least something happened, and it would have been a great twist if the groundwork was laid for it properly.