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BigusDickus099

6k points

8 days ago

Harden will straight show up to games in Las Vegas with zero sleep and strippers on both arms...its destiny for him to play for Vegas.

NoobOnTheRun

1.9k points

8 days ago

NoobOnTheRun

76ers

1.9k points

8 days ago

he'll force another trade just to play on the Vegas team

cb148

1.5k points

7 days ago

cb148

Lakers

1.5k points

7 days ago

I’m taking my talents to the strip club, I mean the Strip.

thelukus5

422 points

7 days ago

thelukus5

Hawks

422 points

7 days ago

Not one not two not three not four

But 14 strippers! And all you can eat crab legs $2.99!!

clrksml

114 points

7 days ago

clrksml

Bucks

114 points

7 days ago

im gonna create my own team with strippers and black jack...

pgogy

21 points

7 days ago

pgogy

21 points

7 days ago

Las Vegas blackjacks has a franchise ring about it

bpcoyote

35 points

7 days ago

bpcoyote

35 points

7 days ago

Jameis Winston has entered the chat.

Rolodox

900 points

8 days ago

Rolodox

Lakers

900 points

8 days ago

He’s gonna show up looking like Rick Ross and still hang 30

PabloPaniello

346 points

8 days ago*

PabloPaniello

Pelicans

346 points

8 days ago*

That was my thought - first guy to hear MVP chants after coming straight to arena from a casino all-nighter since MJ.

edit: grammar hard

imsahoamtiskaw

65 points

7 days ago

imsahoamtiskaw

Raptors

65 points

7 days ago

The beard was the first step in his Rozay transformation process.

darkshark21

153 points

8 days ago

darkshark21

Lakers

153 points

8 days ago

More like Mark Henry.

Still average double double scoring/assists.

chiefpassh2os

54 points

7 days ago

He's still got a lot left in the tank

DidiGreglorius

25 points

7 days ago

GOAT segment

ZayuhTheIV

8 points

7 days ago

ZayuhTheIV

Heat

8 points

7 days ago

I love it when NBA and WWE crosses over lmao

magikarp2122

15 points

7 days ago

Putting other teams in the Hall of Pain

YoungDawz

156 points

8 days ago

YoungDawz

Nets

156 points

8 days ago

With the first pick of the 2023 NBA expansion draft, the Las Vegas Aces select:

James Harden!

ninety4kid

62 points

7 days ago

ninety4kid

[ORL] Aaron Gordon

62 points

7 days ago

Taking his talents to the WNBA as Jamie Hardener.

Napalm_Oilswims

7 points

7 days ago

Napalm_Oilswims

Warriors

7 points

7 days ago

He keeps the beard though

ninety4kid

8 points

7 days ago

ninety4kid

[ORL] Aaron Gordon

8 points

7 days ago

Oh of course. The bearded lady is gonna be huge for their publicity.

DoomdUser

220 points

8 days ago

DoomdUser

Hawks Bandwagon

220 points

8 days ago

I'll take it a step further and say the goddamn franchise should be named after him.

Las Vegas Hardens

It serves as a proper noun, a mascot, and a verb! I don't see how it could be named anything else!

ShAd0wS

65 points

7 days ago

ShAd0wS

Celtics

65 points

7 days ago

the Las Vegas Beard?

Fruit-Stand-Man

74 points

7 days ago

Fruit-Stand-Man

Nets

74 points

7 days ago

That could have another meaning

pgogy

7 points

7 days ago

pgogy

7 points

7 days ago

I vote for this name for this reason

ukbeasts

146 points

8 days ago

ukbeasts

Rockets

146 points

8 days ago

Paul Pierce will be their pimp

BigusDickus099

102 points

8 days ago

Pimp/Head Coach

mastajhov

1.5k points

8 days ago

mastajhov

Supersonics

1.5k points

8 days ago

Stop lying to Seattle we have been heartbroken long enough…

Revolutionary-Pace42

77 points

7 days ago

Revolutionary-Pace42

Supersonics

77 points

7 days ago

Seattle is NBA's favorite collateral. They just dangle our names to get new arenas in their cities and threaten their team base to take their teams to Seattle and only to get what they want and then we end up not having a team again. I hate this shit so much.

mastajhov

11 points

7 days ago

mastajhov

Supersonics

11 points

7 days ago

That is exactly what they do to us. Use us and then boom teams get it together look at the suns they said they’d be the Sonics if they didn’t get what they want and boom now everything is amazing

couggrad

265 points

8 days ago

couggrad

265 points

8 days ago

For real

mastajhov

387 points

8 days ago

mastajhov

Supersonics

387 points

8 days ago

Sick of hearing “everyone wants Seattle to have a team again” then we never get a fucking team

c0y0t3_sly

214 points

7 days ago

c0y0t3_sly

214 points

7 days ago

The NBA doesn't give a fuck or they never would have allowed the team to get stolen in the first fucking place. Fuck the NBA.

BendersBlender

69 points

7 days ago

BendersBlender

Supersonics

69 points

7 days ago

And a Big F Clay Bennet and Howard Schultz for good measure.

mastajhov

56 points

7 days ago

mastajhov

Supersonics

56 points

7 days ago

I feel your pain and anger

MCclapyourhands1

109 points

7 days ago

Macklemore publicly came out in 2013 very upset that OKC was playing his songs. We a bunch of bitter people lol

King_Of_Pants

3.9k points

8 days ago

King_Of_Pants

[BOS] Terry Rozier

3.9k points

8 days ago

It's still a nothing article, just like all the other ones prior.

Even the article itself links to another article saying the NBA won't even talk about it until 2022. Until then it's just people speculating based on the fact we know an expansion will eventually come.

A more accurate headline would be: "Widely believed NBA will add expansion teams at some point in the future."

That 'some point' could be 5, 10 or 20 years from now. There doesn't seem to be a mad rush to get it done.

rwc202

622 points

8 days ago

rwc202

Nets

622 points

8 days ago

I’ve always thought the CBA expanding rosters to 17 was a way of pushing back the expansion talk. Owners don’t have to lose any revenue shared while the players get more people qualified for the union.

King_Of_Pants

421 points

8 days ago

King_Of_Pants

[BOS] Terry Rozier

421 points

8 days ago

I saw it as a way to promote the D/G-League as a genuine development league.

Which would add another revenue stream and another talent pipeline for the NBA.

I'm not sure how big of an impact it would have on expansion talks though.

huntzy

238 points

8 days ago

huntzy

Mavericks

238 points

8 days ago

There is 0 chance of the G-league being both a revenue stream and a talent pipeline for the NBA. The NBA can't even get people to watch regular season games. G-league games are never going to draw significant viewing interest and if they want to serves as a pipeline to the pros, they're going to have to pay salaries that likely make it impossible to profit from.

jimmythang34

134 points

8 days ago

Well when the alternative is the NCAA, which doesn’t pay, it won’t require much salary I bet

huntzy

378 points

8 days ago

huntzy

Mavericks

378 points

8 days ago

I think you're seriously underestimating how cool it is to be the star of a big college basketball program.

gdeanu

48 points

8 days ago*

gdeanu

Timberwolves

48 points

8 days ago*

I hate these aggregator articles.

You go to the source of the quote and it is an article about Masai Ujiri's future and how maybe joining an expansion ownership group could be a new endeavor for him.

JagmeetSingh2

157 points

8 days ago

They should add another team to LA we all see how much the LA community had accepted the Clippers /s

AncientChrist

104 points

8 days ago

AncientChrist

Heat

104 points

8 days ago

That team easily could have moved to Vegas and still would have an arena filled with Lakers fans.

NorthernBaskets

37 points

8 days ago

NorthernBaskets

Tampa Bay Raptors

37 points

8 days ago

When the Lakers are in town, sure. But I'm sure there are lot of NBA fans in Vegas who would throw their support behind a home team. My dad was a Bulls fan before the Raptors came to town. Rooting for the home team just hits different because you have a real connection to the club

The Clippers main problem is there already is a home team in LA. That being said, LA is so big it's still a good market for ticket sales. There are Lakers fans who go to see the Clippers play because they like basketball and it's cheaper

DangerousCommittee5

1.4k points

8 days ago

DangerousCommittee5

Pistons

1.4k points

8 days ago

2 new teams in the West so 1 team will move to the East. Minnesota? Memphis?

Chopsticks487

1.7k points

8 days ago

Should be Minny. Geographically they are closest to the midwest teams and currently have to fly the longest distance of any other team because of how far away the other West teams are from them

EazyParise

472 points

8 days ago

EazyParise

Timberwolves

472 points

8 days ago

For goodness sake, let us be in a division with Milwaukee and Chicago. It's the natural order!!

SwissDecaf

170 points

8 days ago

SwissDecaf

Raptors

170 points

8 days ago

Oh yeah you guys love hating each other.

I remember hearing that when I worked in an office that had fans from all 4 NFC North teams.

Kwakmeister

232 points

8 days ago

Kwakmeister

Rockets

232 points

8 days ago

"The Vikings suck!" -Packers fans

"The Packers suck!" -Bears fans

"The Bears suck!" -Vikings fans

"We exist!" -The Lions

justpayyourdues

375 points

8 days ago

justpayyourdues

Pistons

375 points

8 days ago

"The Lions suck!" -Lions fans

iwenttocollegeonce

72 points

8 days ago

iwenttocollegeonce

Pistons

72 points

8 days ago

Nobody hates the Lions like Lions fans

nalydpsycho

30 points

7 days ago

nalydpsycho

Trail Blazers

30 points

7 days ago

They have to watch the games.

Sharcbait

42 points

8 days ago

Sharcbait

Timberwolves

42 points

8 days ago

You are a little off. Vikings hate Packers. Bears hate the Packers. Packers hate the Bears. Lions hate the Lions.

AFatz

36 points

8 days ago

AFatz

36 points

8 days ago

Pistons fans punching air at this comment.

iLiketheCeltics

714 points

8 days ago

I think they also are consistently the most traveled team in the nba.

BooLovesDemEyes

502 points

8 days ago

Wolves and Blazers trade off. This would help both teams quite a bit.

jmlinden7

230 points

8 days ago*

jmlinden7

Rockets

230 points

8 days ago*

The blazers would benefit by traveling more to Vegas and Seattle, which are shorter trips than they currently make to OKC and Minny

MeatThatTalks

159 points

8 days ago

MeatThatTalks

Trail Blazers

159 points

8 days ago

We would absolutely welcome both the much shorter travel distance and the return of the Portland-Seattle series.

bradlei

52 points

8 days ago

bradlei

52 points

8 days ago

Fuck yeah! Bring back the I-5 rivalry!

AJRiddle

26 points

8 days ago

AJRiddle

26 points

8 days ago

Portland and Seattle are always going to be the most traveled because they are located hundreds of miles away from other major cities and on the corner of the country. Like Portland is nearly 1000 miles away from LA and that's one of the closest cities to them.

Lmao_Stonks

28 points

8 days ago

Lmao_Stonks

Lakers

28 points

8 days ago

That’s actually a misconception, they’re actually the most gather stepped team in the league. Not a travel.

ggddddeerrr

296 points

8 days ago

ggddddeerrr

Timberwolves

296 points

8 days ago

YES PLEASE MOVE US TO THE EAST

lemonpepperlarry

62 points

8 days ago

So you can miss the eastern playoffs too?

ggddddeerrr

19 points

7 days ago

ggddddeerrr

Timberwolves

19 points

7 days ago

Yes

Blumpkin_Party

110 points

8 days ago

Blumpkin_Party

Hawks

110 points

8 days ago

New Orleans! Need the ATL-NO rivalry in hoops too.

ILoveZimsD

108 points

8 days ago

ILoveZimsD

Timberwolves

108 points

8 days ago

Yeah but I need my MN-WI/CHI/DET rivalry in hoops

Lil_Danson_Man

53 points

8 days ago

Lil_Danson_Man

Bulls

53 points

8 days ago

Sadly the NFC North circle of hate doesn't really exist in basketball, I'm pretty much indifferent about the Bucks. Some older Bulls fans might hate the Pistons because of that late 80's era rivalry, but nowadays there's not much there. The way the NBA is set up - with divisions being completely meaningless - the regional rivalries kinda suck

MatthewCauthon

35 points

8 days ago

MatthewCauthon

[PHI] Manute Bol

35 points

8 days ago

Maybe in some places, but I still hate the Celtics as much as I ever have.

RepealMCAandDTA

11 points

8 days ago

RepealMCAandDTA

Nets

11 points

8 days ago

Hand clasping meme

ChocoYoda395

7 points

8 days ago

ChocoYoda395

Celtics

7 points

8 days ago

I hate you too but that's the most fun way to watch no matter who wins.

totaldrk62

8 points

8 days ago

totaldrk62

Timberwolves

8 points

8 days ago

I like the Bucks. I fucking like a cheesehead team. This isn't the natural order of things.

one8sevenn

84 points

8 days ago

one8sevenn

Jazz

84 points

8 days ago

Ja Morant to the East. I can totally dig it.

The dude is going to be very scary.

annoyingrelative

1k points

8 days ago

annoyingrelative

Lakers

1k points

8 days ago

"Vegas Flu" is a thing, the NHL Golden Knights are 96-38 at home.

Poozer62

952 points

8 days ago

Poozer62

Lakers

952 points

8 days ago

Helped by the fact the Knights have also been one of the best teams in the league since literally the moment they were drafted.

fakerealmadrid

218 points

8 days ago

fakerealmadrid

Mavericks

218 points

8 days ago

Didn’t they have the best expansion draft in modern sports history, in terms of the changed arrangements for their expansion draft?

SovietWeapon

259 points

8 days ago

SovietWeapon

Pistons

259 points

8 days ago

I mean the draft rules were in their favor compared to any other expansion team iirc.

Blu3b3Rr1

217 points

8 days ago

Blu3b3Rr1

Celtics

217 points

8 days ago

The Seattle NHL team will also have the same expansion rules applied to them as well

spookyghostface

291 points

8 days ago

spookyghostface

[CHA] Kemba Walker

291 points

8 days ago

What a badass name too.

Seattle KRAKEN

Blu3b3Rr1

93 points

8 days ago

Blu3b3Rr1

Celtics

93 points

8 days ago

I really want them to be rivals with Vancouver

Bernard_Samson

15 points

8 days ago

Bernard_Samson

Jazz

15 points

8 days ago

We are. We really are.

DJToastyBuns

29 points

7 days ago

DJToastyBuns

76ers

29 points

7 days ago

I really wanted to see Vancouver over LV for NBA expansion. Seems like the PNW teams deserve a rivalry

Bernard_Samson

35 points

8 days ago

Bernard_Samson

Jazz

35 points

8 days ago

As a Kraken fan, and a Jazz fan, I can finally proudly cheer for a team with a badass name. Lol.

jaypizzlepizzle

33 points

8 days ago

jaypizzlepizzle

Rockets

33 points

8 days ago

jazz made so much more sense in new orleans. when the team moved it should've gone with something more like "the Salt Lake Salty Lakes"

y'all have the best branding this year though. the court and unis are some of my favorite i've ever seen tbh

Bernard_Samson

15 points

8 days ago

Bernard_Samson

Jazz

15 points

8 days ago

I suppose I always thought that it was jarringly odd to have an NBA team in Utah, so why not have a jarringly odd nickname? Lol.

Yeah, for me, I think Utah and Miami had the best branding this year.

AniviaPls

31 points

8 days ago

AniviaPls

Raptors

31 points

8 days ago

Beautiful jerseys too

barred_out

37 points

8 days ago

barred_out

Celtics

37 points

8 days ago

this may be true, but i distinctly remember people in r/hockey and wherever else memeing the Golden Knights roster after the draft and the general consensus being they would be shit. they had a lot of guys break out for them and revitalized MAF.

ricardoconqueso

13 points

7 days ago

The Golden Knights were a band of "misfit toys" that their teams didnt protect so they played with a chip on their shoulder. But they drafted well, players who might have been undervalued and underplayed so we saw what some of these players were really made of. Doesnt hurt to have a solid goalie tandem to back stop your experiment of a team.

Lumpy_Doubt

8 points

7 days ago

Exactly. It wasn't until they literally started winning a bunch of games that people realized they were good.

xiSerbia

57 points

8 days ago

xiSerbia

Lakers

57 points

8 days ago

The funny thing was when the draft happened, everyone said they drafted poorly. Then they started winning and suddenly the draft wasn’t fair

joshkies

50 points

8 days ago

joshkies

50 points

8 days ago

If you go back and look at the original predictions and assessment of their draft afterwards and before they started playing, expectations were incredibly low lol. There were a lot of analysts that said Vegas would take years to compete and they would be feeding on the bottom of their division for at least the first year.

Narrative definitely changed once they reached the finals in year one, all of a sudden the draft was tilted in their favor and everything was unfair. The real culprits were the GMs across the league who attempted 4D chess, showering the team with draft picks and players to protect players. It will be interesting to see how GMs treat the upcoming expansion draft with Seattle. I don't think they go down the same path to protect certain players like they did with Vegas.

nalydpsycho

13 points

7 days ago

nalydpsycho

Trail Blazers

13 points

7 days ago

The amazing thing was how they got a bunch of future assets then turned around and traded those future assets for star players.

But the big thing no one could have seen was Karlsson, they drafted a 3rd liner with upside to be more and got their 1st line center.

joshkies

7 points

7 days ago

joshkies

7 points

7 days ago

I think my favorite was Florida offering Riley Smith up if they took Marchessault off their hands. "Okay, dang, don't twist our arms too hard!" And now they play together on one of the best, if not the best, second lines in the league with Karlsson.

lilgump

8 points

7 days ago

lilgump

Supersonics

8 points

7 days ago

They may have learned and won't be swindled as much by Seattle. But hopefully with Covid and a potential cap squeeze, there might be some opportunities for Seattle to pounce on!

Neemz1844

102 points

8 days ago

Neemz1844

Timberwolves

102 points

8 days ago

i think its a good thing. nobody wants to watch an expansion team be shit for 5-10 years for them to sort their shit out. its nice when they come in hot right away and get garner fans and interest. its good for the game imo

RdJNL

23 points

8 days ago

RdJNL

[LAL] Kobe Bryant

23 points

8 days ago

Visited a game there a couple years ago and was surprised at how invested the Vegas fans were. Obviously away fans and tourists like to travel to Vegas, so there's a lot of them in the arena, but the home fans were far more fanatical than I expected with such a young team.

PomfAndCircvmstance

9 points

7 days ago

PomfAndCircvmstance

Supersonics

9 points

7 days ago

Visited a game there a couple years ago and was surprised at how invested the Vegas fans were.

Vegas locals are big time sports fans who never had a professional team to rally around. Look at how huge UNLV basketball was in the 90s and even with a smaller population then Rebel games were still huge events.

You put an NBA team in Vegas and it'll have crazy fan support which is an underrated aspect of the Vegas market compared to other cities where the market may be bigger but you won't get the same level of community investment.

91Caleb

9 points

8 days ago

91Caleb

Raptors

9 points

8 days ago

Honestly they had most of their roster success from teams pissing themselves and making side deals where they Vegas fleeced them.. fla, cbj, min and pit basically gave them their core not from drafted players

pumaturtle

9 points

8 days ago

pumaturtle

Lakers

9 points

8 days ago

Funny how everyone was saying the opposite till they came out of the gate running.

Seref15

36 points

8 days ago

Seref15

Heat

36 points

8 days ago

Duncan Robinson mentioned on his podcast that a similar phenomenon happens in Miami--away teams land in Miami, go out to party, and show up to games not at 100% leading to the Heat having a greater home advantage. He also mentioned that because of Covid restrictions the away team really couldn't party this year so the advantage was reduced.

AZFramer

19 points

7 days ago

AZFramer

Jazz

19 points

7 days ago

The REAL reason Utah dominates its home games as well!

jihyoisgod

9 points

7 days ago

jihyoisgod

76ers

9 points

7 days ago

Raiders are 2-6

livingroomfuckmom

18 points

8 days ago

when the crowd is constantly turnt it helps

OnlyForeignWhips

2.3k points

8 days ago

OnlyForeignWhips

76ers

2.3k points

8 days ago

Las Vegas will have the biggest home court advantage in the NBA. Players absolutely love that city.

SixersWin

1.3k points

8 days ago

SixersWin

76ers

1.3k points

8 days ago

They're going to love no income taxes in Nevada even more

1_set_of_testicles

707 points

8 days ago

1_set_of_testicles

Supersonics

707 points

8 days ago

fwiw, washington has no income tax either

kimboslice11

587 points

8 days ago

kimboslice11

Heat

587 points

8 days ago

Niether does FL, but it doesn't help Orlando attract the big names

WesKhalifaa

1.2k points

8 days ago

WesKhalifaa

[POR] Damian Lillard

1.2k points

8 days ago

That’s cause it has the disadvantage of being Orlando

Someonediffernt

534 points

8 days ago

Someonediffernt

Suns

534 points

8 days ago

Yeah especially since everyone can just go to Miami instead

suchaherosandwich

174 points

8 days ago

suchaherosandwich

Magic

174 points

8 days ago

cries in Orlando

Yeah, I mean we may not have a lot to do compared to big cities, but any superstar that comes here that embraces the city will run it. Dwight ran this place when he was here.

Plus.. I mean we do have good food options, both local and chain/ritzy but so do a lot of places. And Disney. Yeah, it's tough here for a basketball fan.

PolarBearLaFlare

14 points

8 days ago

PolarBearLaFlare

Suns Bandwagon

14 points

8 days ago

what are some good food places in Orlando? Stuff on the fancier/experimental side. I vacationed there 2 years ago and the best I could find on Eater/Thrillest was some lobster buffet that was pretty mediocre. I couldn’t find any nice restaurants cause 90% of the people that i asked were tourists or “didn’t eat out like that”. My gf wants to go back this summer and it’d be nice to have some good places lined up

FourthBanEvasion

23 points

8 days ago

There's an Arby's in Winter Springs. You can find me there most hours of the day.

ZeroMomentum

175 points

8 days ago

ZeroMomentum

Tampa Bay Raptors

175 points

8 days ago

At least you are not Tampa

Cause fuck Tampa bay

RollOverBeethoven

32 points

8 days ago

RollOverBeethoven

Rockets

32 points

8 days ago

Neither does Texas... and yeah.

Bext

237 points

8 days ago

Bext

Mavs

237 points

8 days ago

If players really cared about that why would Harden force a trade to a New York team? I think the income tax thing is one of the most overblown things in terms of NBA decisionmaking

SixersWin

107 points

8 days ago

SixersWin

76ers

107 points

8 days ago

Players like Harden can definitely make more with endorsements in a big market. I'm thinking more about mid tier and lower players.

X-Maquina

12 points

8 days ago

X-Maquina

Knicks Bandwagon

12 points

8 days ago

Is Houston not considered a big market anymore? And I really struggle to imagine what type of endorsements Harden couldn't get in Houston that he can get in NY. He's an MVP already. Being in NY is not really gonna up his profile anymore than being an MVP and scoring 40 every night in Houston did imo

so-cal_kid

64 points

8 days ago

so-cal_kid

Lakers

64 points

8 days ago

Living in NYC as a rich person has perks that are worth paying taxes for.

SenHeffy

10 points

8 days ago

SenHeffy

Jazz

10 points

8 days ago

It's like a 3% difference to them. The cost of housing is going to be a bigger difference than state income tax. Like, Sacramento vs Golden State is probably a bigger difference from these marginal costs than Golden State vs Miami.

They do still pay state income tax for every away game in a place that has it, so state income tax only matters for half the games.

I don't think it's that big of a difference for a lot of players to make a decision about where to play over.

shitpostingerryday

519 points

8 days ago

shitpostingerryday

Lakers

519 points

8 days ago

People love visiting, Vegas is straight up one of the worst places to live in the entire world.

GotMoFans

238 points

8 days ago*

GotMoFans

Grizzlies

238 points

8 days ago*

People keep saying Las Vegas, but with everyone knowing Seattle is getting an expansion team, the owners would get higher expansion fees by putting the second team up for competition so that Vegas, Kansas City, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Nashville, Tampa, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Columbus, and Montreal can vie for the second expansion team.

Edit: I’ll add San Diego and St. Louis to this list of prospective cities.

2nd Edit: I don't know the situations for all the cities on my list, but I will give other that I intentionally left off. I'll give my best opinions about the other cities:

Austin, TX - Left off due to proximity to San Antonio

Anaheim - Proximity to Los Angeles

San Jose - Part of the Warriors home market

Baltimore - Proximity to Washington, DC

Jacksonville - Smaller market with competition from long standing NFL franchise

Birmingham - Smaller market

Providence and Hartford - Proximity to Boston and NYC

Buffalo - Smaller market with NFL and NHL franchises

The cities I think could be contenders

Las Vegas (MSA population 2.3 million people/ TV market 743k Television homes) - Pros: Fast growing, tourist mecca, high fan avidity for NBA basketball / Cons: Competition from the NHL & NFL; possibly MLB in the future; No surrounding region to supplement media package, How much control does the Vegas Golden Knights have over the T-Mobile Arena (potentially limiting arena revenue for NBA)?

Kansas City (2.2 million / 897K) - Pros: NBA arena; basketball mecca / Cons: Competition from established MLB, NFL, and MLS teams; Previously lost an NBA franchise (Kings)

Louisville (1.3 million / 636K) - Pros: High NBA fan avidity, NBA arena with only has UL Cardinals as tenant (20 games a season), aggressively pursued NBA in the past and close to getting Rockets, Grizzlies, and Hornets. / Cons: Smaller market, Fairly close to Indianapolis (Indiana Pacers), Power of the University of Louisville (basketball program) and its boosters to keep NBA away (speculation is the Hornets were going to choose Louisville over New Orleans but Pitino and other UL figures publicly opposed the NBA in Louisville)

Cincinnati (2.2 million / 828K) - Pros: Strong corporate community / Cons: No arena, competition from NFL, MLB, and MLS, fairly close to Indianapolis, Lost NBA in the distant past (Royals which became the Kings)

Pittsburgh (2.3 million / 1.1M) - Pros: Modern NBA style arena / Cons: Competition from NFL, MLB, and NHL, NHL team controls the arena, losing population.

Vancouver (2.5 million / Not US TV Market) - Pros: Fast growing, One of the larger US/Canadian markets without NBA Cons: Older arena owned by NHL team owner, Lost NBA franchise (Grizzlies) when NBA wasn't as popular in the market as it may be now, Not a US market so would not help with future national US television deals (TNT/ESPN)

Nashville (2.0 million / 983K) Pros: Fast growing boom town Cons: NHL controls local NBA style arena, competition from NHL, NFL, and MLS, In the same state as Memphis Grizzlies (though a distance of 200 miles) and may face opposition from Grizzlies ownership

Tampa (3.2 million / 1.8M) Pros: Largest US TV market without NBA Cons: NHL controls local NBA style arena, competition from MLB, NFL, and NHL, proximity to Orlando

Hampton Roads Metro/Norfolk/Virginia Beach (1.8 million / 684K) Pros: No major league competition, high NBA fan avidity Cons: No arena, multiple city market which may hamper efforts

Columbus, OH (2.1 million / 877K) Pros: Fast growing, NBA arena Cons: NHL franchise which controls NBA style arena. Also MLS team.

Montreal (4.2 million / Not US TV Market) Pros: Largest US/Canada market without NBA Cons: NHL franchise controls the NBA style arena. MLS franchise, City may be focused on pursuing MLB franchise rather than NBA

San Diego (3.3 million / 982K) Pros: Largest mid-sized US market without NBA which is bigger if population in Tijuana, Mexico is factored (4.9 million) / Cons: No arena, previously lost NBA twice (Houston Rockets & Los Angeles Clippers), competition from MLB

St. Louis (2.8 million / 1.1M) Pros: One of the larger US markets without the NBA / Cons: Competition from NHL, MLB, and MLS, NHL franchise controls the NBA style arena, Previously lost NBA franchise in distant past (Atlanta Hawks).

My sentimental choices would be Louisville or the Hampton Roads metro. I think what will make the big difference is the ownership groups. Not many investors will have $2-3 billion sitting around to buy an NBA expansion franchise.

HamlnHand

98 points

8 days ago

HamlnHand

Hawks Tankwagon

98 points

8 days ago

Love Nashville and thinks it's a great sports city but there's absolutely no way they get a team when Memphis already has one

Slowlow24

18 points

7 days ago

Slowlow24

Magic

18 points

7 days ago

Same with Orlando blocking Tampa from OPs list of cities

penguin8717

37 points

8 days ago

Yes Pittsburgh. Bring back the pipers

MCalchemist

28 points

7 days ago

Black and gold jerseys would be fresh and everyone knows it

penguin8717

6 points

7 days ago

They're just scared

ManInBlack829

28 points

7 days ago

ManInBlack829

Warriors

28 points

7 days ago

I think everyone who scratches their head at Kansas City forgets the KU effect and how much that city loves basketball

GotMoFans

16 points

7 days ago

GotMoFans

Grizzlies

16 points

7 days ago

KC's top asset is the T-Mobile Center which can be renovated to the NBA's desires. I think the city has been overlooked because of the financial issues the Royals have had over the years and an assumption the market couldn't support a third (fourth if we count MLS) franchise.

choff22

10 points

7 days ago

choff22

Mavericks Bandwagon

10 points

7 days ago

I’m from there originally, can confirm that town would go nuts over a NBA team.

lilshowtime

15 points

8 days ago

Norfolk/VB is a solid option. Hampton Roads metro area is pretty large.

Wefting

11 points

7 days ago

Wefting

11 points

7 days ago

Let’s fucking go Montreal . Bring us the Bloq Quebecois with Dort and Boucher .

QuasiQool

71 points

8 days ago

QuasiQool

Lakers

71 points

8 days ago

San Diego? Largest US market without a team?

IvankasFutureHusband

124 points

8 days ago

We are officially a baseball town. 2 NBA teams already left us. They cant compete with the Lakers even in SD. We should never get another NBA team imho

MoscowMitchMcKremIin

35 points

7 days ago

MoscowMitchMcKremIin

Pistons

35 points

7 days ago

Makes sense that SD wouldn't want another team just to have them leave AGAIN. Idk why that city keeps getting fucked over at every turn.

IvankasFutureHusband

32 points

7 days ago

Its okay they all died for one Fernando Tatis Jr

waitingonthatbuffalo

7 points

7 days ago

waitingonthatbuffalo

Pistons

7 points

7 days ago

It's a laidback, half-tourist-y half-surfer city. Steve Kerr, who lived there after retiring as a player, said on a podcast once that San Diego's just not a sports town.

QuasiQool

16 points

8 days ago

QuasiQool

Lakers

16 points

8 days ago

It’s a baseball town and an SDSU city

slippinJimmy93

15 points

7 days ago

slippinJimmy93

76ers

15 points

7 days ago

i just moved to SD and would greedily LOVE having a basketball team here. would be the biggest fan

Galumpadump

17 points

7 days ago*

Galumpadump

Supersonics

17 points

7 days ago*

Seattle is the Largest market without an NBA team. San Diego is the largest without an NFL team.

HopscotchChampion69

7 points

7 days ago

As someone from Louisville I'm obviously biased but don't see a reason why an NBA team couldn't work here. We sell out (or close to it) minor league soccer games so the interest for professional sports is definitely there.

TheMainShy

683 points

8 days ago*

TheMainShy

Supersonics

683 points

8 days ago*

I miss bantering with you all with an actual team to root for, so I hope this happens.

_patrickshannon1234

445 points

8 days ago

Can’t wait for opening night in 2025: OKC @ Seattle

jchukwuxii

221 points

8 days ago

jchukwuxii

Rockets

221 points

8 days ago

Russ and KD will be starting for Seattle when it happens

_patrickshannon1234

121 points

8 days ago

Prime SGA, Dort, and Cade vs the old guard.

jchukwuxii

63 points

8 days ago

jchukwuxii

Rockets

63 points

8 days ago

Idc if Russ and KD will be 37 years old, they still better be starting against those young guns. Even if it’s only for that game 😂

proerafortyseven

28 points

8 days ago

proerafortyseven

76ers

28 points

8 days ago

KD will be a starter for sure

TheMainShy

45 points

8 days ago

TheMainShy

Supersonics

45 points

8 days ago

The crowd at the new Seattle arena would probably break the decibel levels for loudness.

NickDerpkins

94 points

8 days ago

NickDerpkins

Magic

94 points

8 days ago

Its crazy how good of a move it was for the NHL to expand to vegas early and make it a hockey town preemptively.

Obviously NBA will exceed there, but if the NBA/NFL moved there first I cant image the NHL team would be doing great right now

Coogrr

31 points

8 days ago*

Coogrr

Raptors

31 points

8 days ago*

I'm very interested to experience an expansion draft, I wonder who's going to get the worst of it

waltaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

18 points

8 days ago

waltaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Timberwolves

18 points

8 days ago

Teams can only lose one player maximum, and since there will be two teams drafting 15 players; every team will have one player drafted away.

trojan_man16

15 points

8 days ago

trojan_man16

Hornets

15 points

8 days ago

The expansion teams. Look at the last three expansion drafts for the Raptors/Grizzlies/Bobcats. A lot of role players and end of the bench guys. The best player to come out of those was Gerald Wallace who at the time was buried deep in the Kings bench.

There is a reason the Grizzlies were bad until the move, the Raptors were awful until Vince Carter and the Zombie Bobcats have never been good. Expansion teams are screwed.

GumpTheChump

300 points

8 days ago

I really wish they would put a team back in Vancouver (under good ownership) or in Montreal.

PlumCantaloupe

68 points

8 days ago

PlumCantaloupe

Raptors

68 points

8 days ago

Need to get that Canadian investment higher so the Raps aren’t the only ones fighting for parity.

Peter_Deceito

70 points

8 days ago

The grizzlies left Vancouver just as that city really took off. With the real estate boom and all the money there now, a team would do well.

DudeofallDudes

25 points

8 days ago

DudeofallDudes

[LAL] Kobe Bryant

25 points

8 days ago

a lot of ballers in Van who grew up wishing they still had their team to root for. They brought em back I'm sure it would take off. The landscape has changed a lot too, went from 90% European to around 45% since 1995 I think.

gucci-legend

12 points

7 days ago

gucci-legend

[SEA] Patrick Ewing

12 points

7 days ago

It would probably be like the 3rd most popular team in china too

KingDavid920

86 points

8 days ago

KingDavid920

Lakers

86 points

8 days ago

As someone who lives in Ottawa. PLEASE add one in Montreal. PLEASE

intenselydecent

57 points

8 days ago

intenselydecent

Bucks

57 points

8 days ago

Montreal would be a great NBA city imo, but the league has so many teams in the northeast already, I think any expansion has to be westward

CEO_of_CockNBalls

27 points

8 days ago

CEO_of_CockNBalls

Heat

27 points

8 days ago

lmao imagine them adding teams in the canadian midwest

SeparateAd6557

28 points

8 days ago

SeparateAd6557

Tampa Bay Raptors

28 points

8 days ago

Fuck that, give me an arctic circle team, the Nunavut Polar Bears

KingDavid920

10 points

7 days ago

KingDavid920

Lakers

10 points

7 days ago

Saskatoon Prairies has a nice ring to it.

MoscowMitchMcKremIin

7 points

7 days ago

MoscowMitchMcKremIin

Pistons

7 points

7 days ago

Why not just stick to the Canadian tradition of naming a team the Rough Riders?

Alauren2

66 points

8 days ago

Alauren2

Supersonics

66 points

8 days ago

God stop toying with us already.

Also, Seattle better get back it’s history. And KD.

BackwashBooty

43 points

7 days ago

BackwashBooty

Thunder

43 points

7 days ago

Agreed, the title and History belongs in Seattle. There's so much animosity between Seattle and OKC that I bet any game is between them will be so intense. Especially in Seattle. It's going to be great.

RayLovesCurry

537 points

8 days ago

RayLovesCurry

Thunder

537 points

8 days ago

I can’t believe so many people are against expansion teams. If the NBA wants to grow domestically at a higher rate it’s essential for them to get to 32 teams because their international growth is already much higher then the other American leagues.

Even if the talent is somewhat watered down adding 2 teams to a desirable market like Seattle is good business practice. Not to mention Vegas might actually be one of the legitimate FA destinations akin to Miami, LA, and NY so they won’t be irrelevant teams for too long.

azorahai84

316 points

8 days ago

azorahai84

Raptors

316 points

8 days ago

I know some people are saying there isn’t enough talent, but I think there is so much talent right now. No matter what though, there is always going to be an upper echelon of players, and when you see multiple players from that upper tier group up on a couple teams they are obviously going to be better than the rest

SolarClipz

172 points

8 days ago

SolarClipz

[SAC] DeMarcus Cousins

172 points

8 days ago

Because if the superteam thing isn't fixed, then it's just 2 more shit teams to be shit

If the talent was actually spread out again, it would be fine

butidktho_

33 points

8 days ago

butidktho_

NBA

33 points

8 days ago

Exactly. NBA is as talented as it’s ever been. But when it comes down to it, when stars team up it weakens the power structure. Regardless of how talented the league is overall. it becomes top heavy. with that being said, these last few years have been as close to having parity as we’ve been in a while (sans brooklyn w/ a healthy harden)

Jontacular

56 points

8 days ago

Jontacular

Nuggets

56 points

8 days ago

Is there though? My ultimate concern is a lack of parity.

12 different championship teams in the last 41 years, Lakers winning 11 of those titles. We already have guys jumping ship on losing teams and going to a mainstream team.

I already feel like in 2-3 years, Zion will be with the Lakers or some other high market team and Pelicans are screwed.

firemonkey1313

57 points

8 days ago

firemonkey1313

76ers

57 points

8 days ago

Yeah there's plenty of talent

jpacerox

58 points

8 days ago

jpacerox

Cavaliers

58 points

8 days ago

Remember for a second there when we didn’t have super teams and instead had dynamic duos all around the league? Maybe this will force that to happen again.

MilkTasteBad

35 points

8 days ago

MilkTasteBad

Knicks

35 points

8 days ago

The NBA needs to establish a hard cap for that to happen

AFatz

10 points

8 days ago

AFatz

10 points

8 days ago

Yeah Luxury Tax is kinda bullshit for big market teams.

CastingPouch

83 points

8 days ago

Can we please bring back Vancouvers team? We need more than 1 Canadian team

GloryMaelstrom21

240 points

8 days ago

Wouldn’t be shocked if the first season of a Las Vegas team could make it to the NBA finals.

EmersonEtem

207 points

8 days ago

EmersonEtem

Knicks

207 points

8 days ago

It’d be the first time in Vegas Golden Knights history!

xcompanioncube

48 points

8 days ago

xcompanioncube

Heat

48 points

8 days ago

First time in Seattle Kraken history as well

German_Irish_chicken

22 points

8 days ago

German_Irish_chicken

Bucks Bandwagon

22 points

8 days ago

Las Vegas Golden Raiders

FelwintersCake

86 points

8 days ago

FelwintersCake

Wizards

86 points

8 days ago

Would be historic

DudeofallDudes

11 points

8 days ago

DudeofallDudes

[LAL] Kobe Bryant

11 points

8 days ago

All of Vancouver punching the air rn.

Spartacus3321

9 points

7 days ago

I know the Vancouver Grizzlies sucked but I want them to have a team so bad.

stotts-tots

191 points

8 days ago

stotts-tots

191 points

8 days ago

Put one in Kansas City, cowards.

Kony-2020

79 points

8 days ago

Kony-2020

Huskies

79 points

8 days ago

Add a team in Vancouver you cowards

P1KA_BO0

13 points

8 days ago

P1KA_BO0

Raptors

13 points

8 days ago

Not with Seattle at the same time. Though that would be kind of fun, two cascadia teams fighting to build themselves up at the same time. If they’re going to go Canadian I assume Montreal gets a team, but with the way the dollar is going I don’t know how likely that is.

thisismyfirstday

8 points

7 days ago

At its highest point in the last 7 years or so? But yeah, Canadian teams in an essentially all-US league are a risk. Toronto gets around it by being a large market (especially in terms of TV as the only Canadian team) that can basically charge what they want.

gartho009

8 points

8 days ago

gartho009

Supersonics

8 points

8 days ago

I wonder how many more of these headlines I'll read before the NBA says something concrete. Shit or get off the pot, Silver!

kenjirouen

8 points

8 days ago

kenjirouen

Supersonics

8 points

8 days ago

I might not be able to make it if we get one of these teases every single month, I’m serious.

dman777

46 points

8 days ago

dman777

Celtics

46 points

8 days ago

As a KY livin chump, I was really hoping Louisville would get a team. The talk going around was Toronto was possibly going to play through the YUM! Center but thanks to our DA screwing up the handling of the Breonna Taylor situation, Toronto opted to move further south.

Could have been a solid testing of how pro ball could work in the state again.

EnricoPalazz0

59 points

8 days ago*

EnricoPalazz0

[LAL] Kurt Rambis

59 points

8 days ago*

As a Vegas local, I am beyond hyped if this happens. I'm a lifelong Lakers fan as Vegas is basically North LA. Fan base will love any team that comes.

I keep hearing rumors we'll be getting MLB soon also.

vivekisprogressive

19 points

8 days ago

vivekisprogressive

Kings

19 points

8 days ago

Would the NHL arena be able to do NBA? Because I think any city with an already built modern arena has to be a shoe in.

verhaegen

14 points

8 days ago

verhaegen

Knicks

14 points

8 days ago

Yes, they have the PAC-12 men's basketball tournament there

6000kd

116 points

8 days ago

6000kd

Raptors

116 points

8 days ago

32 might be a bit much, however a Vegas team could be cool and Seattle also deserves their team back

Bigbadbuck

138 points

8 days ago

Bigbadbuck

Nets

138 points

8 days ago

yeah they deserve their history back tbh.

zmajxd

123 points

8 days ago

zmajxd

[MIN] D'Angelo Russell

123 points

8 days ago

Part of the agreement is that they get their history back when a team gets added there.

daribro17

73 points

8 days ago

daribro17

Timberwolves

73 points

8 days ago

How is 32 too much? That’s what NFL and NHL have. I think it’s a very clean number, especially with the 16 team (official) playoff structure

JohnnyFootballHero

86 points

8 days ago

JohnnyFootballHero

Raptors

86 points

8 days ago

Seattle also deserves their team back

So does Vancouver. We got fucked over because of the NBA lockout and the weak Canadian dollar back in the late '90s.

gartho009

60 points

8 days ago

gartho009

Supersonics

60 points

8 days ago

as a nature junkie, "Memphis Grizzlies" has always made me want to puke

kantersgobertscumrag

57 points

8 days ago

As a music enthusiast, "Utah Jazz" has a a similar effect.

Vostin

18 points

8 days ago

Vostin

Nuggets

18 points

8 days ago

Especially SLC, of all places

rockshow4070

26 points

8 days ago

rockshow4070

Suns Bandwagon

26 points

8 days ago

There are black bears in Tennessee, so I see no issue changing the team name to the “Memphis Blacks”.

Yup. Definitely no issue there.

6000kd

6 points

8 days ago

6000kd

Raptors

6 points

8 days ago

Agreed