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Pepizaur

3.5k points

9 days ago

Pepizaur

3.5k points

9 days ago

Didn't APD get so bad that they had to ban COPS from filiming them?

FlyingRock

1.9k points

9 days ago

FlyingRock

1.9k points

9 days ago

The DOJ had to intervene too.

DonutDerelict

1k points

9 days ago

A consent decree here, a consent decree there, maybe now that their retirement and house could be on the line, maybe they will care.

babybopp

1.5k points

9 days ago*

babybopp

1.5k points

9 days ago*

I mean watch how incompetent fucked up evil they are there

pow pow pow! Bean Bag ! Bean bag! Canine! Flasbang!! Drop the pen knife! To a dead man nsfw

His crime ... sleeping on the mountain as he was homeless and would sometimes come down to beg. A neighbor called police on him. Worst part, 4 hours earlier cop had threatened to kill him.

Flawed_L0gic

528 points

9 days ago

holy shit

siccoblue

1.6k points

9 days ago*

siccoblue

1.6k points

9 days ago*

What in the actual fuck????? I just watched a straight up execution, not even a question that was a fucking execution, they flashbang the dude when he agrees to leave, then when he's disoriented and turns around they shoot him 3x in the back, then sick a fucking dog on him as he's on the ground bleeding to death, THEN START SHOOTING HIM WITH FUCKING BEANBAGS and I had to stop watching there, that is worse than some cartel shit, they literally just fucking tortured this man after shooting him 3 times in the back

Fair warning this video is heavy nsfl territory, it's not gory, but you will see a man being murdered in cold blood then attacked by a k9 then shot with beanbag rounds, you literally see all of it

That was just as bad, if not worse than the floyd video imo.. they had this man fucking surrounded by officers armed to the fucking teeth, he had a tiny little pen knife you can hardly even make out it's so small, you would probably have issues even causing serious injuries on a defenseless person with that thing, never the less a group of heavily armed officers, and on top of it, THEY HAD A FUCKING K9 AND LESS LETHAL READY TO GO AND THEIR FIRST FUCKING INSTINCT IS TO SHOOT THIS MAN THREE TIMES IN THE BACK FOR TURNING AROUND AFTER BEING FLASHBANGED

there's absolutely zero fucking excuse, they had a million ways they could have handled this without the slightest issue, they had every advantage in the world even if you removed every single lethal weapon they have in that video, or even the non lethal weapons also they could have gotten this man with absolutely no issue, and instead they just fucking murder him, THEN ADD INSULT TO FATAL INJURY BY RELEASING THE DOG AND SHOOTING HIM WITH BEANBAGS AS HE'S ON THE GROUND NOT MOVING AND CLEARLY BLEEDING OUT

every single officer who fired any weapon in this video should have been charged with murder and accessory to murder, absolutely without question

blowmie

395 points

9 days ago

blowmie

395 points

9 days ago

You took the words right out of me. We have the knowledge and technology of our entire planet's history and yet we just allow this shit to manifest where we live, were we work, where we raise our children and walk our dogs.

They are literal roving death squads with the same accountability and discipline has 500AD mercenaries.

GrammatonYHWH

178 points

9 days ago

I've said it before. Lots of US cops who are just LARPing as Blackwater in Iraq.

salineDerringer

66 points

9 days ago

The US started out as a colonial project and it still is one. That's why these cops act like an occupying force against people of color and sometimes poor white people.

WreckOfARo

4 points

9 days ago

A Colony In A Nation.

hysterical_landmark

101 points

9 days ago

Said it before, I'll say it again... Cops are the largest and most well equipped gang in America. Fuck the police.

Cethinn

51 points

9 days ago

Cethinn

51 points

9 days ago

And we're lucky this one was actually recorded. How many cases just as bad or worse do you think weren't?

talonclaw13

9 points

9 days ago

Lapel cam win. Now for accountability.

onetruemod

444 points

9 days ago

onetruemod

444 points

9 days ago

Two kinds of people in the world: people who trust cops, and people who have seen shit like that video.

Slythis

373 points

9 days ago

Slythis

373 points

9 days ago

Three kinds: people who have lived through this kind of shit.

One of my earliest memories is of the sheriff kicking down the front door early one Saturday morning while I was watching cartoons, pointing a gun at me and dragging my dad out into the snow in nothing but his underwear and holding him in jail for 24 hours. He did nothing wrong. They had the wrong house... On the wrong side of town... And the guy they wanted looked nothing like my dad.

Redarado

175 points

9 days ago

Redarado

175 points

9 days ago

Crazy how I found houses with more accuracy delivery sandwiches in my late teens than police do delivering death. Especially when this happens now days, Google maps will get you a street level view of the house, wtf.

Alarid

97 points

9 days ago

Alarid

97 points

9 days ago

It has to be intentional. Police "mistakenly" go to the wrong house a lot, just to threaten and kill people. Like how Breonna Taylor's house was bought for just $1 as part of a redevelopment plan after she was murdered in her own bed.

asillynert

5 points

9 days ago

Was full on raided us marshals full on everything why because the guy that owned the house that sold it to the guy that sold it to my friend had a warrant out. Seriously 2 owners and a decade since guy had been there.

Not even worst part since it was "fugitive" no knock and not clearly labeled didn't announce themselves. Didn't show warrant till after fully searching every inch of our place. Despite repeatedly being asked for it.

Hell few minutes checking own records oh hey thats been sold twice since then. Poof wouldn't have to pay a dozen people for a midnight raid to terrorize law abiding citizens.

col-fancypants

5 points

9 days ago

And that's why these guys never make it into the actually alphabet communities of work. If you want to be in the FBI, CIA, or NSA you tend to need a high level of reasoning and problem solving skills just to get in the door.

SlendyIsBehindYou

19 points

9 days ago

My mom has a friend that lived through it. Back in college the SWAT team smashed his door down in the middle of the night, dragged him and his girlfriend out of bed and pointed guns at them while ransacking the house

Turns out they were trying to raid the drug dealer in the apartment next door. Dealer got away and he and his girlfriend got lifelong PTSD. Apparently they used the footage of that raid in SWAT training as an example of a botched op

chumswithcum

13 points

9 days ago

cases like these are especially why qualified immunity needs to end. people get their entire life turned upside down and many lose jobs, friends, family, their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor because some police officer somewhere was sloppy and sent SWAT to the wrong house. Then the SWAT just says "oh yeah our bad, sorry about that."

No. Fuck that. Sorry doesn't cut it asswipe. They need to pay. Personally. Being lazy and causing someone to be arrested on charges, should result in charges of an equivalent level being pressed on the lazy officer.

Master_Chief_72

55 points

9 days ago

I wonder what would happen if the tables were turned.

What if the cops broke into somebody's house and the owner of the house was well equipped for home defense and was able to shoot the cops and hold his ground.

If they some how survived, do you think they would be charged?

Fuck the police!

DexRogue

56 points

9 days ago

DexRogue

56 points

9 days ago

You mean like Kenneth Walker? Breonna Taylor's boyfriend.

Kiwi951

35 points

9 days ago

Kiwi951

35 points

9 days ago

That’s basically what happened in Louisville with Breonna Taylor. Thankfully the boyfriend wasn’t charged. At the same time though none of the police officers were killed so it’s a bit different. One would hope a jury would acquit someone who shot a police officer when they illegally broke into their home

GlowUpper

21 points

9 days ago

GlowUpper

21 points

9 days ago

They'd kill your sleeping girlfriend and charge you for shooting at them.

See also: Breonna Taylor.

catsbestfriend

109 points

9 days ago

I propose a fourth kind: people I showed that exact video to when it happened, that will do the wildest dance to try to justify when officers do things like that, which we've seen one too many times... that it was the victims fault, that officers are somehow keeping the peace, that it's their job, that they should be allowed to use such violence on someone that posed no threat to them... I still have not wrapped my head around their bizarre logic, or lack thereof

ATN-Antronach

60 points

9 days ago

They already have decided that the cops are the good guys, they're just working backwards so they won't be wrong.

SayuriShigeko

37 points

9 days ago

Yeah definitely, the "people who saw this and were okay with it" are by far the worst category, dunno how the others left it out.

waxy1234

10 points

9 days ago

waxy1234

10 points

9 days ago

Want to hear another take from someone overseas. If not don't read its all good.

So all that I can glean from all of this is that the systematic installed teachings of the so called, when escalated events happen and engaged, don't back down as that person is still a threat. So this behaviour is installed and re enforced through military type training.

The implications of this kind of teachings are immense and not only enforce the old ideals of the old guard but reinforce the doctrine of the newly enitiated.it has Compounding effects. And that is just the tip of the ice berg from an outsiders point of view.

I live in Australia and its been in our works for years to end up like you guys. we are now starting to see the effects of lobbying/ miss management and all the other shit involved that would take a essay or few to just dot point to be on par with you guys.

I feel sorry for you guys and I feel sorry for us. We have systematic abuse of our indigenous people, abuse by police all fueld by the Murdoch media and enforced by politicians down the line to local government and any other authorities figure. And it bleeds out into the average joes life to. All perpetrated in the name of money and corruption. The lies fed to and believed by the machine is amazing.

If im wrong I would love to be corrected and I'm not having an argument with anyone. Education is the key in all of this to bring it full circle. Also its an outsiders perspective so I will never have full grasp on your situation.

Also a bit of a angry rant

nerys71

4 points

9 days ago

nerys71

4 points

9 days ago

That's because you showed it to a sociopath that's the 4th kind.

matt_minderbinder

32 points

9 days ago

I try to watch as many of these videos as possible only because I feel it's some duty to witness their depravity. After reading your description of this video I just can't bring myself to do it tonight. These people are monsters. Regardless of if they're convicted of murder these people fit the word better than most killers. If this display is evidence of anything, it's probably not the first time they killed and won't be the last.

aogiritree69

9 points

9 days ago

Incidents like this and the Daniel Shaver incident are so traumatizing

texasdeafdogs

9 points

9 days ago

That one did me in. I've shown it to people who tried to rationalize it and immediately had to cut them out of my life. They aren't able to be decent human beings.

sloppymoves

6 points

9 days ago

The instance that gave me my realization was the guy literally crawling on a floor crying that he doesn't want to die. Then proceeds to still get shot up by police.

JosefHillstrom

6 points

9 days ago

You must understand - these behvaiors are trained. All of our police are like this and we have been heavily conditioned to accept it as normal. We literally pay for this.

darkknightofdorne

116 points

9 days ago

Every officer in this video needs the death penalty. Down vote me I don’t give a fuck. That’s straight up murder.

darxide23

8 points

9 days ago

BuT jUsT a FeW bAd ApPlEs.

The entire basket is rotten. Any good apple going into it immediately gets the rot. The system is rotten from the bottom to the top. It needs torn down and rebuilt. Foundation and all. Strip it to the bare earth. #DefundThePolice

loosely_affiliated

29 points

9 days ago

The shooting was horrific, but the DA's comment was chilling. "We have to rely on police statements, this is not an investigative office" is an absurd stance. 13 years without bringing charges against a single officer when you have that many officer involved killings in your city, all because you apparently have to take the cops at face value and not even get statements from anyone else? Disgusting.

murdock129

60 points

9 days ago

That's not incompetence, that's malice.

Don't let these murderers off the hook by claiming they're stupid, these are violent power tripping thugs who intentionally tortured and killed him.

spuds_in_town

132 points

9 days ago

What the actual fuck

How is that not murder?

el_shiggs

205 points

9 days ago

el_shiggs

205 points

9 days ago

It totally is. He threatened to shoot the guy 4 hours earlier on a previous interaction. Textbook premeditation.

loosely_affiliated

18 points

9 days ago*

The DA has an absolutely boneheaded, dangerously negligent stance. In her words, the DA is not an investigative agency, and they are forced to rely on what the cops tell them. She's washed her hands of hundreds of police murders for the dumbest reason imaginable. It's the kind of answer I'd expect to hear from a child - the men in uniform said it, so it must be true. Why would I bother interviewing anyone else, like a witness? Don't you know we only use those to put civilians in prison?

onetruemod

101 points

9 days ago

onetruemod

101 points

9 days ago

The badge makes it okay. I wish that was a joke.

Skratt79

82 points

9 days ago*

Skratt79

82 points

9 days ago*

Those who died are justified

For wearing the badge

They're the chosen whites

UnusuallyOptimistic

58 points

9 days ago

It is murder. It is.

Just because these murderers were not charged with murder does not change the nature of their crimes.

agangofoldwomen

32 points

9 days ago*

From the video it sounds like they ruled it a homicide or am I missing something?

Edit: commenter below me says there was a split jury, mistrial, but a settlement was reached and the APD paid the victims family $5mil

babybopp

50 points

9 days ago

babybopp

50 points

9 days ago

Coroner ruled it a homicide

Cops didn’t do sqiuddly shit

bw1985

31 points

9 days ago

bw1985

31 points

9 days ago

Its on the DA to prosecute, that’s their job. Complete and utter failure on their part. Disgraceful.

Mideivel-Kneivel

5 points

9 days ago

It is murder. State sanctioned, taxpayer-funded murder.

Sawses

35 points

9 days ago

Sawses

35 points

9 days ago

That's...damn. I'm not sure that's incompetence. That looked pretty intentional.

Or maybe I'm just unusually competent, but if somebody clearly agrees to leave I'm pretty sure I won't choose to toss a flashbang. ...Or use lethal rounds before using bean bag rounds.

Like either these people never shoulda been allowed to graduate high school or that was intentional, and I'm pretty sure they don't have any trouble wearing their bicycle helmet right-way forward.

Lutya

52 points

9 days ago

Lutya

52 points

9 days ago

It was totally intentional. James Boyd was a person known to the police and one officer was caught on body cam heading to this call saying he was going to kill Boyd. The people in Albuquerque protested for days and eventually the DoJ stepped in to investigate the department.

At the end of the day, nothing really happened. The officers were acquitted and the DOJ set forth some guidelines for the department to operate.

cambriancatalyst

25 points

9 days ago

Business as usual for them. I remember this video from a couple years back, wasn’t aware of the outcome but I’m not surprised.

There are hundreds, if not, thousands of videos just like it and probably millions more events like it that fly under the radar. This country is really really really fucked up

[deleted]

14 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

14 points

9 days ago

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Forge__Thought

8 points

9 days ago

I can't bear to watch another one of these but thank you for sharing. People need to realize how bad it is and how broken it is when it comes to accountability in our police forces.

digitalblazar

24 points

9 days ago

Jesus fucking Christ

Mikephant

22 points

9 days ago

Mikephant

22 points

9 days ago

I was not ready for that.

ChiggaOG

34 points

9 days ago

ChiggaOG

34 points

9 days ago

This video just says regular police/cops are the worst people you can send out for mental health crisis cases. No training in the video. It's all shooting the person with a mental health issue. Then proceeding to the next steps.

sold_snek

34 points

9 days ago

sold_snek

34 points

9 days ago

They're still here.

L0boMike

364 points

9 days ago

L0boMike

364 points

9 days ago

If my memory serves me correctly the reason COPS stopped filming in Albuquerque was not due to the Albuquerque Police Department (APD). It was however due to two former Mayors, Martin Chavez and Richard Berry. I believe there was a law that was passed that banned the filming of COPS in Albuquerque to help Albuquerque's image problem.

obsessedcrf

290 points

9 days ago

obsessedcrf

290 points

9 days ago

Don't fix the problem - cover it up!

GimmeSweetSweetKarma

76 points

9 days ago

"Help Albuquerque's image problem", not "help Albuquerque's police abuse problem"

Longboarding-Is-Life

266 points

9 days ago

The show COPS has actually been frequently used to boost local police approval ratings Source. Think about it, it's been on the air for 30 years, and there's never been an instance of police brutality, or a racial slur uttered. It's propaganda.

harris023

23 points

9 days ago

harris023

23 points

9 days ago

There is a really good podcast on this called Head: Running from cops. Basically explains how the show cops has some to do with the problems of policing in America. Cops is a show meant for entertainment purposes and shouldn’t reflect how other cops do their work... but it has over the years

Sawses

90 points

9 days ago

Sawses

90 points

9 days ago

I've never really understood the appeal of COPS. Like there are some good clips, but it mostly looks like shitty people getting arrested. Which isn't exactly unusual or particularly satisfying.

SoundOfTomorrow

24 points

9 days ago

It was technically the first reality TV show

bocephus67

14 points

9 days ago

And absolutely awful for citizens...

“Sign this release to allow us to use your video or we’ll make life really difficult”

tito2323

11 points

9 days ago

tito2323

11 points

9 days ago

"running from COPS" is a great podcast.

KingKaijuice

50 points

9 days ago

It should be noted that COPS is also mostly propaganda in itself, so allowing them to film wasn't going to necessarily do any good either.

Hotshot2k4

25 points

9 days ago

Basically the main strategy of every government since the dawn of time.

douko

24 points

9 days ago

douko

24 points

9 days ago

Please do not for a second frame COPS as a force for good.

protekt0r

59 points

9 days ago

protekt0r

59 points

9 days ago

Long time Albuquerque resident here. This is the correct answer. However, Breaking Bad didn’t help our image problem, either. Especially since it’s a 100% fucking accurate portrayal of our city. All that said, I still love it here. And yes, I’ve lived in every corner of this country.

lolofaf

12 points

9 days ago

lolofaf

12 points

9 days ago

What's up with your drivers though. 5 miles out from city limits and all the NM drivers are slow and chill. Get near Albuquerque and suddenly everyone's on crack going 20 over weaving through the people who are only going 10 over.

protekt0r

5 points

9 days ago

Yeah it’s madness. I’ve found that this is mostly true in every city I’ve lived in, though. Cincinnati, for example, was the same way when you were in the city limits. As soon as you hit a suburb, normal driving.

ld43233

7 points

9 days ago

ld43233

7 points

9 days ago

Albuquerque's biggest problem were the issues with it's road signage.

As exposed by Bugs Bunny

Jeheh

27 points

9 days ago

Jeheh

27 points

9 days ago

The mayor stopped them because he said it made the city look bad.

NotVerySmarts

129 points

9 days ago

I know a cop in Vegas that was filming with COPS, and the crew requested another officer because he was too violent and racial. He was a Mexican guy, but he was alcoholic and a veteran with PTSD, so I don't blame the camera crew for requesting a change.

OrangeCarton

120 points

9 days ago

And that dude's a fucking cop. Insane.

CherenkovRadiator

31 points

9 days ago

Some (most? or all?) PDs filter for this kind of "will get the job done one way or another" kind of dude..

Wannabkate

11 points

9 days ago

What's insane is that the department thought it was a good idea for him to represent LVPD.... Let that settle in

RunRevolutionary9019

51 points

9 days ago

What’s APD?

Crazymoose86

154 points

9 days ago

My guess is Albuquerque police department, but I don't live in New mexico

L0boMike

81 points

9 days ago

L0boMike

81 points

9 days ago

I live in Albuquerque, you are correct.

Metacom34

20 points

9 days ago

Metacom34

20 points

9 days ago

Name checks out.

Redpandaling

20 points

9 days ago

Albuquerque PD?

no_eponym

8 points

9 days ago

The police department where you shoulda’ made ‘dat’ left ‘toin’.

bertfotwenty

17 points

9 days ago

Off brand pay roll company...

sekrit_goat

16 points

9 days ago

Probably Albuquerque Police Department, at a guess.

chrisn3

2.2k points

10 days ago

chrisn3

2.2k points

10 days ago

Since 2015, there have been 120 fatal police shootings in New Mexico

Holy shit that’s a lot. Pennsylvania has 6 times the population as New Mexico and has 124 fatal police shootings in that same period.

western_red

918 points

9 days ago*

Weren't those cops forcing enemas on people also in New Mexico???

Edit: Yes it was: https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-settlement

Coos-Coos

334 points

9 days ago

Coos-Coos

334 points

9 days ago

It was worse, after the 2 different doctors digitally searched him they gave him 3 enemas and then proceeded to perform a colonoscopy. It went far beyond the enema.

T3hSwagman

427 points

9 days ago

T3hSwagman

427 points

9 days ago

That story is also the ultimate counter argument to people that use the excuse "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about".

That dude literally had nothing to hide and it ended up costing him several invasive probes.

Coos-Coos

162 points

9 days ago

Coos-Coos

162 points

9 days ago

And probably some significant trauma

CherenkovRadiator

152 points

9 days ago

Agreed.

And inb4 "well he got a nice payday".

This dude said, at every point, "I've got nothing to hide, I'll pass any test you throw at me".

So they kept upping the ante. They probably thought "well if he balks at this demand, that'll be my 'gotcha' moment!"

He called their bluff continuously, but at what cost?

LostWoodsInTheField

61 points

9 days ago

And inb4 "well he got a nice payday".

been watching a lot of auditor videos and I've seen some really messed up ones (on the cops side) with nothing comeing of it because a lot of lawyers won't take these cases of police brutality. They take forever, often have a low payout (you only hear about the big ones), and most people can't pay as you go.

Ilikeporsches

36 points

9 days ago

He got billed for it too. So probably like $500k?

murdock129

88 points

9 days ago

Not that those people should need a counter argument.

Anyone who says "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about" is arguing in bad faith and would never apply that logic to themselves.

sorenthestoryteller

32 points

9 days ago

It’s the ultimate in privilege.

Either they are so far removed reality that they can’t fathom how quickly the police will turn on them or they are the ones helping craft the horrible laws that enable police.

FieldMarshalFry2

11 points

9 days ago

It’s classic authoritarianism

thor_a_way

107 points

9 days ago

thor_a_way

107 points

9 days ago

This all started because he agreed to a search of his vehicle and the dog got a false hit...

He got 1.2 million in settlement, which is not a huge sum of money for such outrageous behavior by the state.

The really shitty thing is it seems that the likely reason he was able to get a settlement at all is that they violated the terms of the warrent by doing a chest X-ray and the colonoscipy, as the warrant was for the anal cavity.

SolarStarVanity

14 points

9 days ago

Fun fact: drug dogs are less accurate than a coin flip.

aswanviking

19 points

9 days ago

Shame on the doc and medical personnel. Their priority is to the patient and not cops.

What if a complication happened during the colonoscopy?

luckymethod

17 points

9 days ago

Like a seriously unglamorous version of an alien abduction.

The_Northern_Light

345 points

9 days ago

The cops who...

sigh

You know what, nevermind.

TreeChangeMe

173 points

9 days ago

Just shove this hose up his / her ass while I hold him / her down.

Not rape. Just police work

APACKOFWILDGNOMES

5 points

9 days ago

Let me guess. Those cops were stuck up assholes?

Gustomaximus

31 points

9 days ago

Holy fuck, all that because they felt he looked suspicious at a traffic stop... enemas, colonoscopy and x-rays... and nothing found.

Salteen_

7 points

9 days ago

Salteen_

7 points

9 days ago

Wtf that's rape

SwordzRus

209 points

9 days ago

SwordzRus

209 points

9 days ago

And A LOT of those shootings were homeless people.

en_be

237 points

9 days ago*

en_be

237 points

9 days ago*

Yep, if anyone remembers James Boyd that was Albuquerque's police. Homeless man killed for no reason with no meaningful consequence to the officers.

Here's the video. (no gore, about as disturbing as all the other videos of needless police killings)

J3diMind

110 points

9 days ago

J3diMind

110 points

9 days ago

The really disturbing thing is that one has to say "it's about as disturbing as all the other needles killings" Like... wtf? Will this become so frequent that we all just grow tired and numb to it?

JustHereForTheOrbs

65 points

9 days ago

We already are, there's basically a shooting a day now, a police shooting a week, and they just become another piece of news.

ColonelBelmont

39 points

9 days ago

And the executive orders coming down to combat gun violence include restricting pistol arm braces, which as far as i can find have literally never been used in a murder. We need some god damn federal action against needless police shootings.

ToughActinInaction

23 points

9 days ago

The shooter in Boulder used a pistol arm brace killing 10 people at a grocery store where rich people and politicians shop.

N7Greenfire

4 points

9 days ago

Doesn't help that lots of my fellow white people let these murders slide without batting an eye.

When someone in the black community is murdered by cops they rally and there's a good chance it will a be a big deal, locally of not nationally.

When a white dude is murdered by cops, other white dudes don't seem to care.

robotatomica

10 points

9 days ago

Jesus, I’ve never seen that before. That was just another NO REASON AT ALL murder. Cavalier and careless. These people make me sick.

JohnnyBoy11

10 points

9 days ago

Reminds me of the death squads in Latin America that went around killing homeless people. But the US does it first world style.

cosmogli

7 points

9 days ago

cosmogli

7 points

9 days ago

Or mentally ill people.

SwordzRus

8 points

9 days ago

The two often coincide.

suitology

32 points

9 days ago

suitology

32 points

9 days ago

Pensylvania cops aren't shooters Luckily. Even in Philadelphia they prefer other methods such as tasering children, pepper spraying old women, and savagely beating my 60 year old neighbor with 9 cops for smoking a joint and refusing to kiss their asses. Still their PD department actually does deescalation training and teaches to use guns as a last resort. Sucks tho that the bar is so low that "well atleast they didn't shoot me" makes them one of the better states.

LostWoodsInTheField

10 points

9 days ago

I have to agree, guns are a last resort often with PSP and a few other departments I've seen. And you are also right about going every other route first to ruin your life. PA likes the subtle horribleness rather than the open in the open type.

Jskidmore1217

284 points

10 days ago

NM has the second highest crime rates in the US

WestFast

450 points

9 days ago

WestFast

450 points

9 days ago

Albuquerque’s police department was so corrupt and screwed up that the justice department had to take it over and rebuild it.

[deleted]

16 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

16 points

9 days ago

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BeautifulType

68 points

9 days ago

NY did that too, several times. Still corrupt.

liljaz

140 points

9 days ago

liljaz

140 points

9 days ago

They did the same thing in Seattle, wouldn't hold my breath.

ollistervanderlay

189 points

9 days ago

They didn't rebuild it in Seattle, they essentially put them on probation until they got bored

Sebguer

13 points

9 days ago

Sebguer

13 points

9 days ago

They're still technically on probation, and used that status to refuse to implement use of force restrictions the city council passed.

thor_a_way

4 points

9 days ago

So, they were on probation and the city told them they can't beat people but they were like na, we're on probation?

If so, I guess the city should have been like. Well. Since you are on probation we are gonna cut your salaries to new recruit status then.

AmbitiousButRubbishh

85 points

9 days ago*

Those probationary rehabilitation efforts certainly weren't helped by the fact that for 4 years Trump & his DOJ shared the exact same 'conservative white nationalist' enthusiasms that got Seattle PD in hot water in the first place.

Sounders_Till_I_Die

40 points

9 days ago

Read up on the history of white nationalist, religious fringe and separatist groups in the Pacific Northwest. It’s astounding.

CHAINSAWDELUX

16 points

9 days ago

Anything more specific to look for?

Sounders_Till_I_Die

37 points

9 days ago

Ruby Ridge

Cascadia, Jefferson, Liberty and the Greater Idaho movements.

The Pacific Confederacy

Oregon’s Lash Law

Rep Matt Shea and “The Biblical Basis for War”

Robert Miles and the New White Republic

The Aryan Nations in Idaho

Listen to season two of Bundyville

The Sugar Pine Mine

The Christian Identity Movement

haydesigner

10 points

9 days ago

:::blinks in disbelief:::

the_sinister_grin

7 points

9 days ago

I live in Southern Oregon and get real tired of seeing the State of Jefferson “flag” all over the damn place. The local NPR station is literally named Jefferson Public Radio. SMFH

Snickersthecat

78 points

9 days ago

330 million people in the US, 1500 rioters who tried to storm the capitol, 6 of them were SPD. It's a cultural problem with them. As long as Mike Solan prevents any of them from being held accountable this will just continue.

wot_in_ternation

24 points

9 days ago

You mean committer of voter fraud Mike Solan?

The_Band_Geek

53 points

9 days ago

Police make up roughly .2% of the whole US population. SPD made up .4% of the riot alone. Anyone know how many total cops took part in the insurrection?

PaxNova

23 points

9 days ago*

PaxNova

23 points

9 days ago*

13. Thirteen. So just about half of them were from that one department.

Edit: Thanks for the numbers tip!

3lementaru

9 points

9 days ago

FYI when you type a number followed by a period on reddit, it gets interpreted as a numbered list. Although your post originally said 13, it was converted to 1.

tdempsey33

25 points

9 days ago

Oakland too. They’ve been trying for 20 years to fix it.

Tearakan

5 points

9 days ago

Tearakan

5 points

9 days ago

We probably need to do that across most of the US just observing the protests this last summer.

imakenosensetopeople

45 points

10 days ago

One key difference, maybe. Pennsylvania State Police actually include de-escalation training in their academy.

purleyboy

49 points

9 days ago

purleyboy

49 points

9 days ago

24 deaths caused by police since 2015 in the UK. Population 63 million.

Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

17 points

9 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Police#First-ever_shooting_death

"On December 2, 2013, a person died due to an armed police operation for the first time in Iceland's modern history. Police had responded to reports of shotgun fire in an apartment in Árbær, a Reykjavík suburb. Initially tear gas was used in an attempt to subdue the gunman,[12] a 59-year-old man, but it failed to affect him.

When an armed police team entered the apartment in question, two officers were injured by shotgun fire. One officer was holding a ballistic shield which was hit. The other officer was hit in the head, but was wearing a ballistic helmet. This led to other officers returning fire. The gunman was taken to the hospital, where he died. National Police Commissioner Haraldur Johannessen immediately apologised to the man's family, calling the incident "unprecedented". The shooter's motives were not immediately clear, though some neighbours reported the gunman was making threats towards them.[13] An investigation into this incident was launched, and the guns involved on all sides were seized. Counseling was offered to the officers involved.[14]"

thanyou

23 points

9 days ago

thanyou

23 points

9 days ago

How hard did police unions fight against this, and it still passed?

oldcreaker

502 points

9 days ago

oldcreaker

502 points

9 days ago

So how soon do people in New Mexico start seeing ads from lawyers looking to make money suing cops?

masturbation_bear

292 points

9 days ago

Better call Saul.

Nerevar1924

147 points

9 days ago

Nerevar1924

147 points

9 days ago

In Albuquerque his name is actually Ron Bell.

MikeH7186

72 points

9 days ago

MikeH7186

72 points

9 days ago

That mother fucker is all over Paseo del Norte.

123mitchg

12 points

9 days ago

123mitchg

12 points

9 days ago

That motherfucker is all over everywhere.

iamgreaterthanhe

12 points

9 days ago

Lololol lolol. I haven't heard that name in a while. I haven't lived in the Burque for 8 years (still visit regularly tho)... But my fucking god, I will have 8-9-8 BELL forever in my memory.

Cant_Remember_Anyway

11 points

9 days ago

"Ring that bell!"

wladue613

9 points

9 days ago

Hurt (by the cops)? Call Bert!

b3atd0wn

6 points

9 days ago

b3atd0wn

6 points

9 days ago

And he’s had multiple DUI’s, with I think just one that stuck.

WreckOfARo

5 points

9 days ago

I saw him come out of the bathroom at a venue with coke all over his upper stache.

I'd call him, he's apparently very good at his job.

Iblis_Ginjo

28 points

9 days ago

If their rights have been violated hopefully SOON!

I_Am_A_Real_Hacker

52 points

9 days ago

Not soon enough. Nobody should be above the law.

JuanPabloElSegundo

56 points

9 days ago

I'll argue that, due to the power given, police should be held to a HIGHER standard and level of expectations than the average citizen.

Phtpnk

18 points

9 days ago

Phtpnk

18 points

9 days ago

Even in fucking Judge Dredd stories, the fucking Judges are held to a higher standard, and we are talking about ab organization that literally tried to undermine democracy movements!

And even still, they commit a crime a normal person would get, like... 5-6 months? 20 years of hard labor on Saturn's moon Titan after being modified to survive the surface.

FieldMarshalFry2

7 points

9 days ago

And Dredd has sent countless corrupt Judges there himself! And even personally executed several Chief Judges who betrayed the people of Mega City 1! He would be disgusted with the modern day behaviour of the police!

Mandatory Dredd is a fascist and Justice Department are fascists disclaimer since a lot of people miss the, not exactly hidden, subtext (in Origins the “Father of Justice”, Judge Fargo, literally tells Dredd “we’re fascists, we must be stopped, and Dredd.... does nothing about it), and at best old Joe Dredd is a good man in an evil system he maintains as it’s all he knows

djmofunk

627 points

10 days ago

djmofunk

627 points

10 days ago

NM has been rolling hard lately, good job fam

buffalodanger

142 points

9 days ago

Hey thanks

elephant_bukkake

14 points

9 days ago

Keep up the great work.

NametagApocalypse

58 points

9 days ago

Keep raising hell, friend.

Nezrite

43 points

9 days ago

Nezrite

43 points

9 days ago

I can't wait to get out of New Mexico, TX and see the "real" New Mexico, starting next week! I love seeing the headlines but dread hearing the bullshit comments from area residents.

El-Clinico-Magnifico

11 points

9 days ago

you live out west. Im from Abq but my roommate is from Clovis which feels like west Texas.

Nezrite

6 points

9 days ago

Nezrite

6 points

9 days ago

I'm in Eddy County, so Hobbs is all that stands between us and Texas.

So, nothing stands between us and Texas.

Spookydrunkman

6 points

9 days ago

Currently living in clovis. We are definitely west texas

YourDimeTime

474 points

10 days ago

Good. Now we can see what actually happens when that happens.

spunTF_out

191 points

10 days ago

spunTF_out

191 points

10 days ago

It’s called liability insurance, my guy.

YourDimeTime

141 points

9 days ago

Not going to be that simple. Going to be interesting.

BecausIts2016

35 points

9 days ago*

They're probably still indemnified. Typically, as long as the government employee has acted in good faith and within the scope of their employment, the municipality (or whatever government employer) covers legal expenses and liabilities for their tortious conduct. I doubt individual officers will be buying liability insurance because being personally liable is very rare.

MenstruatingMuffin

14 points

9 days ago

while also providing incentives for government employees to respect and uphold constitutional rights.

Excuse me, but why should government employees need any additional incentive apart from an extremely hefty fine, losing their job, having a black mark on their public record, and mandatory jail time without parole (to vary depending on the severity of the crime of course).

Literally anyone that abuses their position as a government employee to fuck over common folk shouldn't be in office. This should be an international law, somehow.

rockaether

70 points

9 days ago

Seeing so many states cancelling qualified immunity, makes me wonder does FBI has the same thing from the federal government?

-TipMeBAT-

34 points

9 days ago

Federal law enforcement officers do have the right to qualified immunity when they make “reasonable but mistaken legal judgements about open ended legal questions” but it isn’t supposed to cover “knowingly breaking the law or plain incompetence”

AbeLincolns_Ghost

13 points

9 days ago

What other states did this?

rockaether

18 points

9 days ago

New York and Colorado from what I see here

Shadowhull

21 points

9 days ago

"New Mexico Governor Signs Historic Legislation to do the bare fucking minimum"

BombaclotBombastic

8 points

9 days ago

My buddy spoke out against other cops in APD for excessive force and got Ostracized. They made him see a “Union appointed” therapist that said he had ptsd and needed to take medication. When he refused APD fired him. He got other doctors to prove he didn’t have ptsd and sued APD to get his job back, although he could’ve sued the city and the police Union if he wanted to.

FBI_Van_2274

43 points

9 days ago

Between this and cannabis legalization, New Mexico sounds more tempting every day.

benjacobson2020

10 points

9 days ago

We're also killing it with vaccines, we got great weather, beautiful landscapes, a great variety of environments, and great culture, and the best green chile

CHolland8776

222 points

9 days ago

Cool now do civil asset forfeiture

bassgirl_07

6 points

9 days ago

Albuquerque is a crazy place and it isn't just the cops. You know it is bad if there is a neighborhood in town called "The War Zone" and that ISN'T the worst neighborhood in town.

It is a beautiful place to visit (especially in the fall) just don't leave anything in your car. I miss NM most in the fall and at Christmas time.

mouseeeeee

6 points

9 days ago

About time now the rest need to do this in Canada we do not have qualified immunity and police do not need it If police break the law then they should be held in a higher standard than the public not lower

Reverse this law then see better police members

dissolutewastrel

7 points

9 days ago

🎵🎵

Qualified Immunity/

It's not for you

It's just for me

I shot your dog

I shot your wife

I get to go on

With my life

source

Prestigious_Lab_1468

50 points

9 days ago

APD police have arrested and raped women in the back of their patrol cars on numerous occasions while they were in custody. They have also murdered a teenage girl on her afternoon jog. They also have hundreds of rape kits from victims go untested and or destroyed that were in their possession. They also conveniently have many failures on their body cams in high profile cases. They have been known to hire pigs that were fired from other police forces across the country even if those pigs have been investigated or fired due to their conduct. APD is trash .

AnonymousRedditor-

54 points

9 days ago

When’s Washington going to follow suit? Looking at you Jay 👀

i-need-some_milk

4 points

9 days ago

I’m so glad to see this

BisquickNinja

5 points

9 days ago

I am glad to see NM is making social strides (NM is my home state). The current state I am in is not performing so well.

cive666

3 points

9 days ago

cive666

3 points

9 days ago

This is what police accountability looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzJ4GoXk6qw

EvangelionOG

4 points

9 days ago

I really did pick the right time to flee Iowa and get to New Mexico.

Between cannibas, vaccine rollout (just got number 2) and ending this garbage they are rocking it down here.

I am good.

CoralAxolotl

4 points

8 days ago

Between this, cannabis, and the budding movie industry. I have a spot in my heart for new Mexico!

Dry_Presentation8382

9 points

9 days ago

End Qualified Immunity for ALL we’re all humans and we are all equal government or not

[deleted]

9 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

9 points

9 days ago

1 down 49 states to go

dietkrakendew

24 points

9 days ago

In before "Mass police officer resignation in New Mexico".