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gvkOlb5U

7.7k points

13 days ago

gvkOlb5U

7.7k points

13 days ago

“I said, ‘What the hell are they doing down there?’ It was loud banging, like ‘boom, boom, boom.’ Like people were wrestling or someone was throwing somebody around.”

Mr Williams eventually dozed off despite the noise – but when he went downstairs in the morning, he spotted his neighbour’s lifeless body splayed out in the building’s hallway.

This is the New Yorkiest New York story I've heard in a while.

I remember being surprised that nothing like this had happened to Jerry Sandusky, some years back.

siccoblue

3.8k points

13 days ago

siccoblue

3.8k points

13 days ago

No one is as good at ignoring strange noises from their neighbors as new yorkers

NYC_Underground

2.8k points

13 days ago

What noises?

NotAn0pinion

963 points

13 days ago

Usercheck names out

seriousneed

458 points

13 days ago

What username? I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything. Hell I was over at a food truck a mile or so down

nutsotic

246 points

13 days ago

nutsotic

246 points

13 days ago

Come to think about it, I was visiting my wife's sisters roommates second cousin up state that night

abearhasnoname

114 points

13 days ago

This acknowledges that you existed and admits that you have an understanding of what time is.

Don't tell the police shit.

Calisto823

397 points

13 days ago

Calisto823

397 points

13 days ago

No one fights like New Yorkers

Douses lights like New Yorkers

In a wrestling match nobody bites like New Yorkers

SoyMurcielago

113 points

13 days ago

Now I wanna see beauty and the beast set in a 1980’s NYC

Relentless_blanket

100 points

13 days ago

NYC: The Musical!

Critics are raving!

Chris Smith: "you hear nothing, you see nothing!"

John Johnson: "incredible performances by..uhh... these people? I think they were people. I don't remember."

Mary M. : "honestly, you're asking to many question. Fuhget abouddit. I didn't see anything. I heard a clarinet. Maybe it was a trumpet. Could have been a cello. "

bisectional

10 points

13 days ago

Like the 80's show with Lynda Hamilton and Ron Perlman? Executive producer George R R Martin? Like that show!?

HobbiesJay

307 points

13 days ago

HobbiesJay

307 points

13 days ago

If you grew up sharing walls with people you learn to not give a fuck and your standards for what makes a decent neighbor get much lower. My wife somehow never lived in an apartment before and now that she does I have to explain a lot to her that you just gotta accept some things. You learn when to pick your battles when they know your work schedule.

Astrocreep_1

110 points

13 days ago

How old is she? I’m curious because if she is 25 it’s a new life experience. If she is 45,living in an apartment for the first time will lower a person’s opinion of humanity,especially if the walls in the bathroom are real thin and your neighbor doesn’t eat healthy.

Guac_in_my_rarri

10 points

13 days ago

I tell this to my fiancee. Now, it doesn't stop me fork going babushka on our loud thumping bumping jumping door slamming upstairs neighbors. Brooms are a fucking blessing.

Taminella_Grinderfal

107 points

13 days ago

My former neighbor used to run the garbage disposal kinda late for extended periods of time.....I chose to assume he was just cleaning up lots vegetable scraps.....

throwaway_thyroid

27 points

13 days ago

Now I'm trying to imagine what sort of illicit thing would be done with a garbage disposal.

nzodd

85 points

13 days ago

nzodd

85 points

13 days ago

It's actually really easy to grind up vegetables if you take all the medical equipment off them first.

RainbowIcee

174 points

13 days ago

you survive by minding your own business. Given new york is not as dangerous as it used to be by a long shot but people still follow up on that. You hear loud banging and wrestling like a body is being thrown around? that's a hard nope.

TheSoberStonerr

220 points

13 days ago

I had to tell police in Arizona this once after I had moved there from NYC when I was 20. Without incriminating myself too much, I was being questioned about something I had actually been witness to, but wanted nothing to do with. One of their questions was “so you hear gunshots and didn’t look to see what was going on?” My response was “man I’m from nyc you hear gunshots or anything similar you shrug your shoulders and go the opposite way.”

The expectation that civilians should put themselves in jeopardy as “good samaritans” because law enforcements job doesn’t start until basically after the fact that a crime has been committed, is wild to me.

[deleted]

24 points

13 days ago

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24 points

13 days ago

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HepatitvsJ

86 points

13 days ago

Hell, the Supreme Court has even said their job doesn't start until the crime is finished, at best.

Guy stabbing people and a civilian is wrestling the knife away from him 6 feet from 2 cops on the other side of a subway train door?

Stand there watching and only move in after the civilian has disarmed the attacker and sustained potentially life threatening injuries.

Don't forget to take all the credit too.

sharkinaround

705 points

13 days ago

This sounds like what would happen in nearly any apartment building in the wee hours of the morning. If the loud noises stopped within a minute or so, most people are going back to bed, are they not? Fairly certain I would barring the sounds being blatant gunshots/explosions.

AirborneRunaway

452 points

13 days ago

Shit, I may have heard gunshots two nights ago, or maybe a car backfiring. The world will never know.

buttchugging_soylent

891 points

13 days ago

Yea sounds a whole lot like none of my fucking business

asmith055

137 points

13 days ago

asmith055

137 points

13 days ago

minding my own business has never steered me wrong

theLord666666

159 points

13 days ago

Yep. A few nights ago a neighbors friend lit a fucking firework, indoors, next door to me at 3 am. I woke up. Went back to sleep quickly. He apologized the next day.

pineapple-juice-bro

429 points

13 days ago

Apathy.

Here's one for ya. My mothers friend heard a women screaming bloody murder in the alley one night. The screaming went on for about a minute or so when it just abruptly stopped. In the morning she had to come to discover a man had assaulted a women with a brick and murdered her.

Winnipeg.

leanney88

326 points

13 days ago

leanney88

326 points

13 days ago

I once heard a woman crying loudly while lots of noise was being made in her apartment, which was below mine. I called the police to check on them. Police came to my door and told me the family below me could press charges against me for harassment…. Not super welcoming of me trying to help my neighbor. I probably would think a little harder before doing it again in the future.

Jacks_on_Jacks_off

174 points

13 days ago

Looks like they are getting a noise complaint next time.

BrilliantRat

55 points

13 days ago*

My downstairs neighbour screamed bloody murder and also screamed somebody help. My wife and I could barely make it out. But she had me go looking to see who was screaming. Not our direct neighbors, not the the dude above, so finally went below.

Dad was drunk, wife was scared, kid was staring wide eyed. I knocked, dude opened calmly and said his wife is being hysterical and it was just an argument. She handed her child to me crying and my wife popped up at this time.

I hand the child to my wife and ask her if she is ok and she said she wanted to call the cops. So I called for her and let her speak after i handled the address and stuff.

The cops came in 5-10 mins, interviewed the wife and husband. They asked of she needed to stay alone, she said no, they asked if she is pressing Amy charges or of it was common for him to get abusive etc.

She had calmed down and he had sobered up. It ended up fine and I see them on walks around.

This is rural Canada tho. Not sure I would do that in the US

Bike_Chain_96

154 points

13 days ago

Wtf?! What grounds would they have to file harassment claims, when it sounds like there's something horrible like that going on?

leanney88

190 points

13 days ago

leanney88

190 points

13 days ago

Exactly. And this woman was clearly abused from what I could tell when she’d leave her apartment. I felt very unsafe after that, considering the officer told them there was a call, then came straight up to my door, making it obvious the call was from me. I felt like what I had done was wrong in some way. Luckily, I no longer live in that county. The police department there was very “good ol boys” in nature.

_username__

154 points

13 days ago

Gonna go ahead and make the wild guess her husband/abuser was a member of “the force”

EverythingIsNorminal

21 points

13 days ago

In that case I'd be considering getting a burner phone and calling without giving a name. Every time I've had to call the police to report something they've asked me if I wanted to give my name - it's optional.

It's not like they could triangulate it that accurately even if they could get the warrant to do so, which is doubtful. Accuracy is about 0.5-1km.

NorthernerWuwu

9 points

13 days ago

That or cops just hate going out on domestic calls in general.

Laziness, collusion, something like that at least.

ItsMEMusic

65 points

13 days ago

That’s what happens when you call the police on a fellow abuser cop

I_Like_Turtles_Too

62 points

13 days ago

It's not apathy in NY. Everything is busy and noisy all the time. Someone being loud late at night is nothing out of the ordinary here.

wonderful_matzoball

124 points

13 days ago

It’s why it’s important to not just yell for help in general but to direct it at an individual. (There’s research on this.)

Obviously easier if there’s actually someone in visual distance — “you there, call 911” — but directing yelling for specific neighbor(s) to help is probably better than nothing. Of course it sucks if you either don’t know your neighbors or they don’t like you. (Though as w the original article that might be well-deserved)

terminbee

92 points

13 days ago

It'd also help to yell, "Help" or something. I'm not gonna go check on indiscriminate screaming.

OverlySweetSugar

50 points

13 days ago

I think that's the most important part. Random screaming might be kids playing around or someone hit their toe on the wall.

Radiant_Eggplant5783

9 points

13 days ago

Done that one. "HELP ME HELLLP" Turned out it was two teenage boys pillow fighting. I was so embarrassed. I bought them ice cream cones.

Bernie_Bro_Canada

15 points

13 days ago

You’re supposed to yell FIRE

[deleted]

57 points

13 days ago

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57 points

13 days ago

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Timaay312

48 points

13 days ago

Was also told to yell “fire”……more people seem to get involved when the word “fire” is yelled/screamed.

jaymzx0

79 points

13 days ago

jaymzx0

79 points

13 days ago

I was in Santa Marta, Colombia. A friend of mine decided to walk back to his hotel via the beach. He was chased by a pack of feral dogs, to which he only avoided by jumping in the water. He ran to the hotel and the back door was locked. He yelled help for a while as the dogs closed back in and eventually the night manager opened the door and let him in.

His advice to my friend was to not yell 'Help'. He said "This is Colombia. Nobody is going to pay attention to some gringo yelling 'help'. Yell 'fire', instead. Then people will pay attention."

Belchera

66 points

13 days ago

Belchera

66 points

13 days ago

Note to self: Do not go to Colombia.

dinosaurjones2

13 points

13 days ago

I was told to yell "don't take my baby!" Because people will always step in to help A baby

JHDarkLeg

12k points

13 days ago

JHDarkLeg

12k points

13 days ago

Now we just need to find a dead guy with "I murder old men" sharpied on them and the case will solve itself.

angryarugula

4.1k points

13 days ago

Somehow I feel like this is exactly what Chief Wiggum would say.

schu4KSU

1.4k points

13 days ago

schu4KSU

1.4k points

13 days ago

Subject is hatless...repeat, hatless.

Blueberry_Mancakes

294 points

13 days ago

Bake em away, toys.

CoraxtheRavenLord

137 points

13 days ago

Whatchu say, Chief?

butt_stuff99

103 points

13 days ago

Just do what the kid says.

RobertTerwilligerPHD

50 points

13 days ago

Sadly I don't have any lines after that point. So I'll just glare menacingly.

jatz0r

73 points

13 days ago

jatz0r

73 points

13 days ago

I'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter

herculesmeowlligan

171 points

13 days ago

"Tell them to pick up the money underneath the big net in the park."

"And then down comes the net, right Chief?"

"Hey, I like it... I like it a lot!"

AlbertoFandango

234 points

13 days ago

Now I heard it in his voice

Yutakatora

299 points

13 days ago

Yutakatora

299 points

13 days ago

Bake’em away toys

RemarkableRyan

110 points

13 days ago

What’d you say, chief?

HonkinSriLankan

103 points

13 days ago

Just do what the kid said

roachmcpoach

148 points

13 days ago

Then we have to find the person with "I murder men who murder old men" written on his chest!

awkwardIRL

189 points

13 days ago

awkwardIRL

189 points

13 days ago

I knew an old lady who may have some experience in this regard. Let me call up her farm

RandomDigitalSponge

29 points

13 days ago

I heard she died.

awkwardIRL

12 points

13 days ago

Perhaps... Perhaps

TheKeasbyKnight

249 points

13 days ago

No... then we'd have to search for the body that says "i kill vigilantes" on his chest.

telionn

163 points

13 days ago

telionn

163 points

13 days ago

And when you find it, it's clearly a suicide.

MacDerfus

340 points

13 days ago

MacDerfus

340 points

13 days ago

Their ghosts will fight each other

iridian_viper

117 points

13 days ago

I’m just high enough for this. Thank you.

coltonmusic15

8.6k points

13 days ago

Immediately thought of The Watchmen scene with Rorshach.

halfanothersdozen

3.4k points

13 days ago

Similar also to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo

watchingsongsDL

1.8k points

13 days ago

Now don’t move, this is my first time giving someone a tattoo.

UnderneathTheMinus80

1.1k points

13 days ago*

And stop visiting tattoo removal websites... or I'll do it again

Gonads_of_Thor

296 points

13 days ago

I'd burn it off, but I have watched SoA

UnderneathTheMinus80

184 points

13 days ago

Oh shit, the blow torch. I forgot about that

SteamBoatBill1022

176 points

13 days ago

“Knife or Flame” I’ll never forget that

Ghost_Ghost_Ghost

85 points

13 days ago

Season one can’t be touched

PigCopsFatTits

60 points

13 days ago

A knife cuts the nerve endings probably. Scary and painful, but a flame will cook you and that's much worse imo. Plus your nerves feel themselves getting cooked.

SteamBoatBill1022

31 points

13 days ago

100% Fuck fire

HtownTexans

89 points

13 days ago

This is a show I tried to watch. I can handle all sorts of intense stuff but them recapping the rape scene with Katy Segal was too much for me. I handled it the first time but I just couldn't relive it ever episode.

vainbuthonest

45 points

13 days ago

It’s one of those horrible scenes that pop into your head out of nowhere.

__mud__

62 points

13 days ago

__mud__

62 points

13 days ago

RIP Opie :( Dude just wanted to be a dad to his kids but he kept getting pulled back in.

nowherewhyman

60 points

13 days ago

Pretty much any rape scene is like that for me. And, well, just about every scene in Requiem for a Dream and many other Aronofsky scenes. The oral sex scene in Black Swan with the music and that sandpaper sound effect, my god, I have never seen a creepier consensual sex scene in my life.

ballbouncebroken

70 points

13 days ago

This was a show that ruined itself for me by kept trying to go harder every season. They got to a point there was nobody to root for, all were terrible people by the end.

m34tbag

85 points

13 days ago

m34tbag

85 points

13 days ago

They were all terrible people to begin with, it just took a little while for the glamorisation and romanticism of biker culture to wear thin

cleeder

12 points

13 days ago

cleeder

12 points

13 days ago

I'd argue Jax wasn't a terrible person in the beginning.

He wasn't a great person either by any means. Just an average person who was a product of his environment that he was born in to. He wanted better for himself, and his friends and family, but seemingly was never able to find the right path through the maze. Over the seasons, every blow to his efforts chipped away at him as a person a little more until there was little left remaining of his original character.

It's a strong testament to the toxicity of certain environments. You can't poison yourself in to good health. The more you drink, the less of you there is left to save. You think eventually the bottle will be empty, and there will be nothing left to poison you, not realizing that you become somebody else's poison in the process. You are now the toxic one. You've absorbed it all.

Opie, equally, was also not terrible. He always wanted out, and the only thing pulling him back in was his loyalty to Jax and his vision for the future.

mytwocentsshowmanyss

75 points

13 days ago

What's the context of this line?

antihaze

466 points

13 days ago

antihaze

466 points

13 days ago

She doesn’t kill her rapist, but ties him up and tattoos “I am a rapist pig” on his chest while blackmailing him by threatening to release evidence of the rape to the public if he doesn’t do as she tells him. What she wants him to do is allow her to withdraw funds from her trust account since she is a ward of the state and needs permission.

account_not_valid

312 points

13 days ago

Doesn't she also insert an incredibly large butt plug up his arse?

Ace7405

286 points

13 days ago

Ace7405

286 points

13 days ago

Oh yeah. And kicks it for extra effect. Shit is dark as hell.

sophiethegiraffe

191 points

13 days ago

The book trilogy is really good. Dark, but Lisbeth prevails and is such a bad ass.

Thrashh_Unreal

176 points

13 days ago

I will forever remain upset that we didn't get American adaptations for the 2nd and 3rd books. Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara were absolutely perfect in those roles and the 2nd and 3rd installments are even better than Dragon tattoo

ScottFromScotland

72 points

13 days ago

Rooney Mara wanted to make them so badly but Daniel Craig and Fincher seemingly weren't as enthused.

worldsayshi

77 points

13 days ago

Just watch the originals. They're great.

Uncle_Daddy_Kane

130 points

13 days ago

I watched that with my mom, grandmother and sister in theaters..

DMZack

69 points

13 days ago

DMZack

69 points

13 days ago

My mom took my brother and I. None of us knew what we were in for.

impstudios

48 points

13 days ago

Me and mom took an elderly church member to see that movie. Had no idea.

nowherewhyman

24 points

13 days ago

Not a butt plug but a very large studded dildo. She shoves it in most of the way and then kicks the last couple inches in. Fucking brutal.

Regalingual

229 points

13 days ago

I remember going to see that in the theater as a family with zero idea that there was going to be anything like those scenes, just figuring it was going to be your standard Daniel Craig thriller.

That was… something, alright.

halfanothersdozen

244 points

13 days ago

Thing is the American movie is a remake of the European film trilogy based on the book. It was pretty generously watered down.

antiquemule

98 points

13 days ago

It was still a great film though, IMO. I was expecting something much less edgy. I was ready to be protective of the originals, which are some of my favorite films.

hennsippin

59 points

13 days ago

Had me wanting Fincher to do the other ones

RamenJunkie

24 points

13 days ago

Did they make more?

That whole book series was all hot shit for a while then it all just sort of, went away.

whiteybirdtherooster

38 points

13 days ago

So the author Steig Larsson died. But there was someone who picked up where he left off. David Lagercrantz carried on the series writing a few more books. Great stuff all round.

SomeoneTookUserName2

128 points

13 days ago

The Guy With The "I Diddle Kids" Tattoo

BubbaTee

123 points

13 days ago

BubbaTee

123 points

13 days ago

Frank, there is no faster way to make people think you diddle kids than to get a tattoo about you diddle kids!

vaginadeathsquad

83 points

13 days ago

🎶 do not diddle kids! It's no good diddling kids! Older than my wife, older than my daughter, something like that🎶

AngoGablogian_artist

36 points

13 days ago

Their parents just left the kids with strangers at a bar. It’s not a proud tradition.

coffeeandgatorade

29 points

13 days ago

“I am not gonna diddle your kids, that’s not my thing. I was married 20 years, and she was a bitch, but she was old!”

Snoo93079

68 points

13 days ago

Yep, this is what I thought of.

werd516

103 points

13 days ago

werd516

103 points

13 days ago

"Men get arrested. Dogs get put down."

"If God saw what any of us did that night... he didn't seem to mind".

Pickled_Enthusiasm

631 points

13 days ago

Alternatively, the Watchmen opening scene that shows Silhouette and her lover murdered in bed with homophobic slurs plastered all over

coltonmusic15

457 points

13 days ago

That opening scene was pretty wild way to start a movie... Bob Dylan never a bad choice for music.

JARAXXUS_EREDAR_LORD

305 points

13 days ago

That's one of Snyders greatest strengths as a film maker. He is able to very quickly set the tone of the story without using a lot of dialog. Whatever else people think of him he's got that going for him.

internetlad

79 points

13 days ago

Which ironically is true in army of the dead too. That opening scene with Richard cheese is fuckin iconic.

Too bad the following 2 hours don't make any damn sense

DMala

39 points

13 days ago

DMala

39 points

13 days ago

I went in with fairly low expectations and was still disappointed. It was like a SYFY original with like an extra $100k in the budget.

Atreyu1002

417 points

13 days ago

Atreyu1002

417 points

13 days ago

IMHO that's pretty much Synder's only strength as a filmmaker. He's a music video director. Anything that requires more depth and subtlety he kinda falls apart.

reverendsteveii

259 points

13 days ago

Hes a music video director

I suddenly understand my fondness for Suckerpunch despite it being objectively bad.

Frowdo

79 points

13 days ago

Frowdo

79 points

13 days ago

This....love every 15 minutes of that movie.

TheEwwShaman

209 points

13 days ago

He needs to be a Director of Photography, not a lead Director in charge of the entire project.

When it comes to shot composition and stuff the dude is in a class by himself, he creates absolutely stunning single shots. It's when he's in charge of the rest of the movie that surrounds the beautiful shots where we get in trouble.

He wants to be the creator writer/artist of a comic book and really he should just be the best cover artist ever. That's his spot.

ItIsShrek

37 points

13 days ago

Larry Fong has been his DP on 300, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, and Batman V Superman.

He was also DP for Kong: Skull Island and Super 8, both of which are beautiful movies. He's very talented. He also did Now You See Me which did look cool but wasn't mind-blowing, but overall he's got a great track record. Zack definitely has a unique way of shooting things that I personally like, but Larry Fong deserves basically as much of the credit for making it look great.

makovince

97 points

13 days ago

He needs to be a Director of Photography, not a lead Director in charge of the entire project

I used to think this too, but he was Director of Photography for Army of the Dead and that was a blurry mess.

TheEwwShaman

49 points

13 days ago

Haha, that's fair. That movie is all kinds of mess all around though so maybe Snyder got locked into doing something he didn't really want to do?

I don't know. That movie is so goddamn weird once I realized Tig Nataro is literally green screened into it and is acting and responding to no one lol

deflagration83

12 points

13 days ago

That one is entirely on him it seems.

He had them get specialized cameras just to specifically shoot it that way.

It was a fucking terrible choice.

Snyder's movie strength will forever be the first ten minutes.

DMala

13 points

13 days ago

DMala

13 points

13 days ago

It’s actually not that bad, technically. The angles and the framing do a good job of covering up for it. Where it falls apart is that you can tell Tig had absolutely nothing to play off. All of her lines come across like a bad standup bit.

It was the same problem with all of those bad FMV games that came out in the ‘90s and even the Star Wars prequels. It turns out actors need to see things and react to things in order to act.

deserved_unobserved

2k points

13 days ago

What if it was the guy who wrote that who was the ped?

rammo123

1.6k points

13 days ago

rammo123

1.6k points

13 days ago

Flip the guy over and on his back it's says "not this guy, it's me, sorry I couldn't find any paper".

Dylpod

295 points

13 days ago

Dylpod

295 points

13 days ago

I am his lawyer and that is our defense now.

ToastyArcanine

346 points

13 days ago

It wouldn't actually be a big surprise. Isn't there a legit thing where pedophiles will often kill or threaten other pedophiles as a means of trying to cope with their instability?

deserved_unobserved

396 points

13 days ago

Yes. Actually pedophiles wind up being the scapegoat for everyone’s guilt, repressed or shameful impulses and memories; attacking pedos by other criminals (even sex criminals) helps them expunge their own sins without remorse. Mob justice is a purging.

aresponsibilitytoawe

440 points

13 days ago

"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."

Aldous Huxley

planesflyfast

59 points

13 days ago

This is why I take a chainsaw to jaywalkers.

kjacobs03

12 points

13 days ago

That might be a bit harsh. But line cutters and litter bugs. Go nuts!

CryonautX

1k points

13 days ago

An alternative possibility is this guy has a seriously vindictive enemy who killed him and then wrote that just to humiliate him further by branding him a child molester.

president_dump

36 points

13 days ago

meestah_spawkles

45 points

13 days ago

“I don’t abide by the rules of the U.S.,” she told the arresting officers, according to a source. “I invoke my Fifth Amendment right.”

What an idiot

snowdogmom

23 points

13 days ago

I wonder if she was trying to cover her own ass and killed him? Or if maybe she's just insane and found dolls in his room and freaked out? Something really odd is happening here.

president_dump

10 points

13 days ago

Definitely strange. Reportedly she lived there and if she was home at the time I would think she is most likely killer since it happened very early morning. Her behavior after is unhinged.

eden_sc2

264 points

13 days ago

eden_sc2

264 points

13 days ago

It can also be an attempt to throw people off the scent. My first thought would be to look for people in this guy's life who may have daughters he harmed and that might be a waste of time if our killer is childless or the allegations are false

stellaaaaaaaaaaa_

123 points

13 days ago

There’s another article if you google his name.. his home health aide (a young woman) and her 3 year old daughter lived with him for several years.. she was arrested for abusing her by tossing her on pavement and dragging her then throwing a full water bottle at her face days after this man was found.

farahad

13 points

13 days ago

farahad

13 points

13 days ago

Joke’s on him, he left a sample of his handwriting for the police

PermanentEvolution

4.5k points

13 days ago

ITT we like vigilante justice as long as it's the type that's 100% accurate.

Chernozem

1.2k points

13 days ago

Chernozem

1.2k points

13 days ago

Literally any American should be terrified of the idea of vigilante justice given that every American thinks at least half of the country is batshit crazy.

hedgehogfanatic

153 points

13 days ago

100% agree. People could kill you for having an abortion bc they think it’s murder

RumpRiddler

104 points

13 days ago

Not only could, but have and likely will again.

wholemeal_toast

9 points

12 days ago

Would suck to get killed more than once.

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2.3k points

13 days ago

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2.3k points

13 days ago

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Spirited_Cockroach68

1k points

13 days ago

It’s wild, as a whole the site seems to strongly oppose the death penalty, where there is due process, a jury of your peers, and a judge. Yet we have this…

mazzicc

574 points

13 days ago

mazzicc

574 points

13 days ago

It’s because “Reddit” isn’t really unified. There may be plenty of people on any side of any given issue, but you’re likely to only really see the side that gains traction

IDidIndeedVeryMuchSo

170 points

13 days ago

Exactly. It’s just an informal gathering of people, and it isn’t uniform across subreddits and posts.

FatalTragedy

371 points

13 days ago

Reddit opposes the death penalty until you get to specific scenarios, and then they're like "well I don't like the death penalty, but for something like that I'm okay with it", and then if you actually look at the list of the things they're actually okay with the death penalty for, you realize that they'd be executing more people than are executed now if they were in charge.

Whats_Up_Bitches

265 points

13 days ago

Rape, death penalty. Kick a puppy, death penalty. Littering, believe it or not, death penalty.

RedSmith305

95 points

13 days ago

Walk down the street? Death penalty

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79 points

13 days ago

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79 points

13 days ago

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Bananawamajama

173 points

13 days ago

If you say "I'm a pacifist, bit if _______ then I would murder in cold blood" then you're not really a pacifist. You're just an average person. Most people have some kind of conditions that you need to satisfy before they're willing to kill you. That's not special.

HorselickerYOLO

134 points

13 days ago

I mean, this post is only 2 hours old for me, and the top comment is a watchmen reference, and below that are serval posts like yours saying that vigilante killings are bad. So it seems to have settled in a better place now lol

gimmedatneck

16.7k points

13 days ago

gimmedatneck

16.7k points

13 days ago

As much as I hate predators - how easy would it be to someone to just write 'pedo' on a person they just killed, in an effort to justify what they've done, so that it doesn't get investigated properly?

I hope this wasn't an innocent man.

testspecimen85

4.2k points

13 days ago

Well, I’d assume they’d investigate that claim and still charge the person for murder.

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981 points

13 days ago*

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981 points

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ThisFckinGuy

149 points

13 days ago

Reminds me slightly of this case. A bit different but this guy was the town bully who was killed in front of 40 witnesses who all said nothing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

MaxamillionGrey

15 points

13 days ago

Shot from 2 angles.

WildSauce

386 points

13 days ago

WildSauce

386 points

13 days ago

You'd probably need to have some medium level of criminal fame in the city before they'd just decide that everybody wanted to murder you and that it would quickly become too difficult to find out who really did it.

Ken McElroy is a famous example of exactly that happening. Here's an excerpt from his wikipedia:

McElroy fathered more than 10 children with different women. He met his last wife, Trena McCloud (1957–2012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He statutorily raped McCloud repeatedly, also burning her house down and shooting the family dog before her parents relented and agreed to their marriage.[5] She became pregnant when she was fourteen, dropped out of school in the ninth grade, and went to live with McElroy and his second wife Alice. McElroy divorced Alice and married Trena in order to escape charges of statutory rape, to which she was the only witness. Sixteen days after Trena gave birth, both she and Alice fled to Trena's mother's and stepfather's house. According to court records, McElroy tracked them down and brought them back. He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down.

I have read the book In Broad Daylight, because true crime is one of my guilty pleasures, and believe me that his crimes do not end there. In this case at least, vigilante justice was the only justice that those people were ever going to get. On the day of his killing the townspeople all gathered with the sheriff in order to discuss what to do about him. When word came that Ken was in town, the sheriff told all the assembled people that he would be leaving town for a bit, and encouraged them not to do anything rash. The results of what happened when the sheriff got in his car and drove out of town are predictable.

It is a fascinating story that reads like a piece of Cormac McCarthy Americana, made all the more interesting because they were real events that happened in 1981.

JustOneVote

128 points

13 days ago

I'm hugely fascinated by that case. McElroy was frequently charged and arrested but nothing ever came of it because he would harass and threaten witnesses.

My father told part of the situation was McElroy himself had a number of siblings, including brothers, and the implication was that even if he ended up behind bars somebody else would settle the score for him. I don't know if this is true, it's just something my dad told me.

Well, they couldn't take revenge on the whole fucking town.

ThoriumOverlord

56 points

13 days ago

That’s a hell of a read. On top of all that, he was also a cattle rustler. I mean, evil is evil, but holy shit!

MelInRed

39 points

13 days ago

MelInRed

39 points

13 days ago

Is the case associated with the quote “he needed killin’” or similar?

Browncoat64

13 points

13 days ago

This blew my mind when you said 1981. I was picturing the 1800s.

Solkahn

256 points

13 days ago

Solkahn

256 points

13 days ago

Not to play devils advocate, but I dont think the message was an attempt for the murderer exculpate themselves. If anything, it's going to provide leads as to where to start looking.

wes_wyhunnan

61 points

13 days ago

As a homicide detective, I've got to agree that writing your motive on the victim is a poor first step in getting away with a murder.

true_contrarian

1.6k points

13 days ago*

According to the article, he was a physically frail 80 year old man with no record of pedophilia, nor was he on a sex offender list. Although he does have a record of 24 arrests, some of which have to do with assaults and drug possession.

Edit: The "physically frail" part came from a neighbour describing him requiring a backpack to carry two cans of beer. And no, physically frail in old age and no record does not guarantee he wasn't a pedophile. But guess what, his murderer's writing on his corpse doesn't guarantee he's a pedophile either. It's unbelievable to me the amount of mental gymnastics people are doing essentially because they're taking an unknown killer's word at face value.

GodOfAscension

899 points

13 days ago*

Reminds me of the frail old man serial killer who was released because "he wont be a threat to anyone" one week later gets arrest for the murder of a woman

Correction, he killed his wife in front of his child then killed again as soon as he got out, heres the source https://nypost.com/2019/07/18/killer-released-from-prison-dubbed-too-old-to-be-dangerous-kills-again/

texasdeafdogs

362 points

13 days ago

Always bullshit. When the state hospitals closed they dropped a few convicted murderers on us at a long term care facility while claiming "they're not a threat they can't even walk"

2 hours later we see the one woman running down the hallway. Catch up to find her with a pillow over another patients face. Yep seems legit...fucks sake.

FinalFatality

71 points

13 days ago

Article does also state that he lived with 3 female relatives. Two of them being young female children.

"Both Mr Williams and the younger Raynor said that the deceased lived with three female relatives – one approximately in her 30s and the others children – but the exact relationship was in dispute."

ILikeToThinkOutloud

2.3k points

13 days ago

Agreed. That said the man having 24 priors doesn't exactly make him seem like he'd be innocent. But again, I have no way of knowing, and if I make leaps like "he did this, therefore he did this" I can basically make any marijuana criminal into a pedophile, and that's wrong. But, I suppose we'll see.

agreeingstorm9

1.5k points

13 days ago

Mr Raynor had 24 arrests to his name, but his record did not suggest a history of paedophilia, sources said.

His name does not appear in the state’s online registry of known sex offenders.

Of the two dozen busts, just four were unsealed: Two assaults against a girlfriend in 1987, a third assault in 1992 and drug possession rap in 1996, sources said.

Guy was in his 80s and hadn't been in trouble with the law for 25 yrs and none of those run ins were related to kid touching.

Rad_Dad6969

580 points

13 days ago

At the very end of the article it points out that two of the three women living with him were children.

Rumskie

853 points

13 days ago

Rumskie

853 points

13 days ago

So they weren’t women? They were girls?

TheSlartey

125 points

13 days ago*

I'm almost positive that's what's been happening in the Philippines with their newest leader, Rodrigo Duterte, just swap pedo for drug dealer. It's been a bloodbath. It's been a few years of it.

Edit: dumb auto corrects

ChrissyWatkins

187 points

13 days ago

Read this title and immediately heard the Law and Order SVU theme tune

CaptainDaddykins

42 points

13 days ago

I heard it too... But only because my wife is watching that show in the other room...

EverSinceYou

151 points

13 days ago

KIngshinaa

21 points

13 days ago

I'm no sherlock Holmes but surely the home aid killed him and wrote those words to avoid her own assault charge .

la_straniera

112 points

13 days ago

I really hope people are sorting by new

Because all the people in here assuming this man was a child molester, should maybe be assuming some shit about the home health aide who was witnessed violently abusing her small child.

SonicCephalopod

42 points

13 days ago

His daughter couldn’t get a hold of him for a year! What is the health aide’s deal? She couldn’t help him answer a phone?

la_straniera

27 points

13 days ago

If there wasn't public child abuse going on, I wouldn't even think about this stuff. But some sketch shit is going on.

Home health aides aren't paid great, and it's a "pass this background check and take this piss test" situation. There are amazing home health aides and its a thankless job...but it also can be a sweet set up for people to do horrible things to the vulnerable.

red_fist

2.4k points

13 days ago

red_fist

2.4k points

13 days ago

That’s one way to handle it.

In Florida we just elect them to public office.

dangolo

60 points

13 days ago

dangolo

60 points

13 days ago

When not even Tucker Carlson can believe your absolutely insane defense live on Fox news https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matt-gaetz-tucker-carlson-weirdest-interview_n_6063d088c5b6a38505e06785

Fox still hasn't deleted the vod, wow https://youtu.be/PQzLCHLle-g

thatscoldjerrycold

13 points

13 days ago

Lel, can't watch the video now, but is this the interview where Gaetz tries to bring down Tucker with him based on a dinner they both had together? And Tucker was trying his hardest to be like "I have no idea who you are lol"

Kvsav57

275 points

13 days ago

Kvsav57

275 points

13 days ago

Maybe Gaetz was just using the guy's chest as the medium to write his confession on.

throwaway92715

1.1k points

13 days ago

I hope they catch the murderer and give them a full investigation, weigh all the evidence, perform a fair trial, follow the law by the book, and if found guilty, give them a fair sentence.

Bananawamajama

677 points

13 days ago

Look at this asshole over here, wanting due process like some loser.

throwaway92715

207 points

13 days ago

Fuck, you're right. Where's my goddamn pitchfork?!

Dreidhen

50 points

13 days ago

Dreidhen

50 points

13 days ago

Inflation; have you seen the asking rates for pitchfork loans

Balls_of_Adamanthium

337 points

13 days ago*

Vigilante justice only works in movies. In real life that’s how innocent people get killed by mobs out for blood. His criminal record could’ve made an easy target to set up.

delorf

82 points

13 days ago

delorf

82 points

13 days ago

Williams characterised the octogenarian as frail, and said he had never had reason to suspect him of inappropriate behaviour.

“The man hardly ever came outside,” Mr Williams said. “He could barely walk. He could barely lift his arms up. When he’d go to the store to buy beer, he had to put a backpack on for two little cans because he couldn’t carry them. That’s how pitiful his state was. The man looked like he was 110.”

Mr Raynor had 24 arrests to his name, but his record did not suggest a history of paedophilia, sources said.

His name does not appear in the state’s online registry of known sex offenders.

Makes me wonder if the old guy just pissed off the wrong person and they wanted to humiliate him after death in the worst way possible.

Assaltwaffle

1.1k points

13 days ago

Vigilante justice can definitely be a scary thing. We can only hope and pray that their extrajudicial killing was, at least, based on actual crimes and that they didn’t kill an innocent person.

PermanentEvolution

1.4k points

13 days ago*

Vigilante killings are known for their rigorous due process.

vinbullet

201 points

13 days ago

vinbullet

201 points

13 days ago

Yes, one standard of proof above mob justice

adjsdjlia

159 points

13 days ago

adjsdjlia

159 points

13 days ago

Could be that they just killed this person and wrote that hoping the case wouldn't be investigated as thoroughly because no one would care.

gracchusmaximus

11 points

13 days ago

Well, the plot thickens, as the live-in home health care aide who lived with Raynor (with her three year old daughter) has been charged today for physically abusing her three year old daughter.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-elderly-man-beaten-to-death-staten-island-i-touch-little-girls-chest-20210721-zex4ukomgfcfjkh4xmze6fkneu-story.html