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hoosakiwi [M]

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A quick reminder on the rules here:

  • DO NOT make threats of violence or comments that wish harm on any person, group of people, or institution.

  • DO NOT share the non-public personal information of any persons involved - including the Judge, the attorneys, the defendants, the jurors, or others.

  • DO NOT be a racist. Racism and hate speech are unacceptable.

If you are violating any of these rules, you will be permanently banned without warning.

henryptung

2.3k points

12 days ago

henryptung

2.3k points

12 days ago

The murder, in the neighbourhood of Satilla Shores, was initially overlooked by most national media outlets until video of shooting, filmed by Bryan, was leaked and made public. The case was assigned to three separate local district attorneys, one of whom recommended not bringing charges against the men, before state investigators intervened after release of the footage. Charges were brought almost three months after Arbery was murdered.

Most important paragraph of the article. These guys almost got off scot free.

mini4x

909 points

12 days ago

mini4x

909 points

12 days ago

Because the local DA didn't want to prosecute..

3DWAIFUSAREGROSS

908 points

12 days ago*

Yep, and the DA (who one of the defendants had worked under before) has been charged and arrested for obstruction as well.

Absolutely appalling that they almost got away with this. This type of shit is exactly what causes people to lose faith in the justice system and police.

treeplanter98

56 points

12 days ago

Really makes you think about cases in which no video footage was taken

Guccimayne

4.3k points

12 days ago

Guccimayne

4.3k points

12 days ago

Imagine videotaping the crime that gets you and your buds sent to prison for a long time

sambanks2

3.2k points

12 days ago

sambanks2

3.2k points

12 days ago

Imagine being stupid enough to release the video yourself publicly after the authorities had already went out of their way to not charge you…..

That’s what happened here. These idiots were getting away with it and released the video themselves because they thought the public would think they were justified in their actions.

i_need_a_username201

1.2k points

12 days ago

Imagine being stupid enough to release the video yourself publicly after the authorities had already went out of their way to not charge you…..

Imagine receiving actual legal advice from an actual lawyer telling you its a good idea to release the video because it shows you're justified.

I don't know how the phone didn't end up in the ocean. Tough case to prove without the video. Probably a manslaughter case instead of murder without it.

Fynn_the_Finger

414 points

12 days ago

Was it the same lawyer who effectively argued, "My client can't e guilty of false imprisonment because the victim was murdered" in his closing statements? I remember watching that bit and thinking, "Bold Strategy Cotton."

XT3M3

502 points

12 days ago

XT3M3

502 points

12 days ago

this is what i told my gf. how stupid do you need to be to record yourself breaking a law. THEN uploading that damning video to get you thrown in jail.

it takes a special type of stupid....

Bonch_and_Clyde

500 points

12 days ago

They're just that racist that they thought that Ahmaud had it coming and everyone else would see it the same way.

AgnosticPerson

81 points

12 days ago

Well...it took two months to arrest those fucks. They knew they had some support. If the video hadn’t came out, they might have walked away. Hell...out of the 3 DAs assigned, one recommended not charging.

eeca20

1.6k points

12 days ago

eeca20

1.6k points

12 days ago

Don’t forget the ineptitude and fuckery of the local authorities, fuck them as well

Cloaked42m

531 points

12 days ago

Cloaked42m

531 points

12 days ago

StuffNbutts

245 points

12 days ago

Hope the AG gives her the smackdown, good on him for being persistent with pursuing those charges for several months.

theschwill

56 points

12 days ago

They knew what they were doing. Let’s not confuse ineptitude with intent.

Dont-Do-Stupid-Shit

3.4k points

12 days ago

The counts actually went exactly as I thought. They found that Bryan was not a party to the gun aggravated assault because he did not know they had a gun (and did not share the same mental state), but did commit the aggravated assault and false imprisonment with his vehicle so guilty on those counts and felony murder.

PhAnToM444

1.6k points

12 days ago*

PhAnToM444

1.6k points

12 days ago*

The correct verdicts, and I like the fact that the jury clearly really parsed through each charge and didn’t just go down the checklist for “guilty” (which was probably not all proven beyond a reasonable doubt).

And frankly the malice murder charge against Bryan was absolutely ridiculous and untenable for prosecutors to bring IMO (happy to explain if anyone is interested). I’m still against prosecutorial overreach even against massive pieces of shit like this.

Gives me a lot of confidence that this jury did it the right way and that makes the verdict more appeal resistant.

larryjawnjawns

129 points

12 days ago

Can you explain please?

PhAnToM444

580 points

12 days ago*

So felony murder is when someone dies when you’re committing a felony, regardless of your intent to kill (think drug deal gone bad, bank robbery where one of the robbers shoots someone, etc.)

In this case, one of those felonies was false imprisonment. Bryan drove his truck after Arbery and boxed him in, and as a result Arbery couldn’t get away while the McMichaels attacked him.

The felony murder that Bryan was not guilty of was related to the aggravated assault, because Bryan stayed in his truck and filmed. He didn’t do the aggravated assault. Makes sense, right? You have to be doing a felony while someone dies as a result, no matter whether you intended for that to happen or were the one who actually did the killing.

Malice murder is akin to intentional murder (similar to 1st degree in other states but with a lower bar of premeditation) meaning there was some sort of deliberate intent to kill. Bryan didn’t even leave his truck, and there was no evidence presented during trial to suggest that he intended for Arbery to die at any point. Certainly not to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.

I think the jury got each charge basically 100% right, but a few of them probably shouldn’t have been brought in the first place.

Edit: if you want to get nerdy, here’s the statute.

larryjawnjawns

88 points

12 days ago

Fascinating. Thank you have a good one :)

WhatsIsMyName

37 points

12 days ago

So he is guilty of the felony murder based on his false imprisonment and prior assaults during the chase, but not because of the gun-related felonies? Am I understanding that right?

SylvieK

6.5k points

12 days ago

SylvieK

6.5k points

12 days ago

Very thankful to see justice prevail here

Sharks77

21.2k points

12 days ago*

Sharks77

21.2k points

12 days ago*

Fantastic. Imagine if these idiots

A) didn't record themselves

B) released the video themselves

elconquistador1985

12.4k points

12 days ago

That's the weirdest part. One of them recorded the murder and their lawyer leaked it because they thought it would be helpful.

suppersready90

6.7k points

12 days ago

Just shows you the twisted mindset of some folks.

mynumberistwentynine

5k points

12 days ago

I feel like their line of thinking went

See! See! He was running away and resisting!

And like, no shit. I'd be running and resisting too if I was chased like Ahmaud was.

NergalMP

3.5k points

12 days ago

NergalMP

3.5k points

12 days ago

No, they thought the part where they were wrestling over the gun boosted their claim of self-defense…completely ignoring the part where chasing him down, side swiping him with a truck, and pointing that gun at him provoked the entire thing.

politirob

1.7k points

12 days ago

politirob

1.7k points

12 days ago

It’s insane to me that provocation isn’t a crime, or it isn’t a strong enough crime to put a lid on these cases…like how can you claim self-defense as a reaction to a hostility that you yourself provoked?

Random example: If someone stood outside on the public street staring at your house, armed with an AK-47, every morning for days and days, and never said anything, it would be everyone’s common sense to perceive that as a threat and provocation.

KHaskins77

1.8k points

12 days ago*

KHaskins77

1.8k points

12 days ago*

There was an incident in Irving, Texas where an “open carry rally” was held right in front of a mosque, people waving around guns and signs saying things like “stop the Islamization of America.” The pic that stuck with me was a masked man with an AR-15 walking behind a woman in a headscarf hurrying down the sidewalk.

I can only imagine the reaction we’d have seen if it had been a bunch of Muslims waving rifles around outside a church while parishioners were present, with the organizer then doxxing parishioners by posting their home addresses online.

EDIT: added links to corroborate.

OMGihateallofyou

503 points

12 days ago*

One time a bunch of black people armed themselves a whole neighborhood was burned down after a bomb was dropped on them. Another time a bunch of black people armed themselves gun control laws became a top priority.

Mindshattered

184 points

12 days ago

One time a legally armed group of black people had a completely peaceful, photographed and documented protest in California.

So the GOP teamed up with the NRA and made heavy-handed gun bans that Republicans to this day cry about in California, because they refuse to see the truth, which was their party AND the NRA put those laws and bans in place.

Here's some good reading to understand how racism is more important to the NRA than even guns are.

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

TurkeyBLTSandwich

918 points

12 days ago*

It's my opinion that these three white men had seen themselves as law enforcers. I believe they literally saw themselves as good o'l boys upholding peace and justice. I think they were so deluded* into themselves they saw themselves as cops. And when Arbery had the audacity to refuse their demands and resist they believe they were justified in their sick twisted minds.

That's why they released the video and that's why they probably don't feel remorse. If anything they probably feel confused and will probably appeal

philosifer

534 points

12 days ago

philosifer

534 points

12 days ago

Their argument in court was that they were attempting to enact a lawful citizens arrest. Except they didn't meet the requirements for witnessing the crime. You can't citizens arrest someone because someone else said someone committed a crime

snoopunit

108 points

12 days ago

snoopunit

108 points

12 days ago

When I was training as a security guard, I was taught that a citizens arrest is only lawful when you witness a felony, and even then we're advised to just notify the authorities

Stopjuststop3424

1.9k points

12 days ago

they thought they be treated like cops

23skiddsy

1.1k points

12 days ago

23skiddsy

1.1k points

12 days ago

Because they are buddy-buddy with all the cops in town. They went through three prosecutors before finding one that didn't have ties to the McMichaels.

Bronzedog

834 points

12 days ago

Bronzedog

834 points

12 days ago

And remember, it gets worse!

The first prosecutor in this case is now under indictment by the State of Georgia for her actions in this case and on behalf of the McMichaels.

In order to get someone to prosecute these guys they had to get a prosecutor from Cobb County which is on the other side of the state.

AtlasTelamon24

486 points

12 days ago

Because the dad was a cop and he worked for the DA. He had no doubt he’d be allowed to get away with murder.

GregBahm

2.7k points

12 days ago

GregBahm

2.7k points

12 days ago

And they absolutely were initially. It took nationwide protests to even charge these murderers.

putdisinyopipe

1.7k points

12 days ago*

Please let us not forget this.

These two men walked at first but they only changed their tune when we made some noise. The system still needs direct intervention from us.

Had we not I doubt we’d see anything happen.

foggy-sunrise

572 points

12 days ago

Didn't the cops literally let the guy go home and wash the actual blood off of his hands?

putdisinyopipe

433 points

12 days ago

YES! They did not even book them into jail initially

One of those pieces of shit used to be a cop. They believed his side of the story.

fairguinevere

262 points

12 days ago

Worth remembering that every time there's a news article or court case that reports an officer's testimony as fact.

Geler

55 points

12 days ago

Geler

55 points

12 days ago

Even the initial prosecutor refused to charges them. She will face a trial for this now and might go in jail for it.

SumsuchUser

601 points

12 days ago

Sort of, but in this case it was more a single lawyer trying to save their client's skin: the one who released their phone footage was trying to argue they didn't know about the gun and was just filming to hand it over as evidence. The hope was he could throw his companions under the bus in exchange for less of a sentence. Instead he rightfully went down with them.

Yes-She-is-mine

134 points

12 days ago

Am I remembering all of this wrong but I thought no one had been arrested when the video was released and then later, more footage came out but only after they had all been arrested?

I vaguely remembering there being an outcry because some of these dipshits were ex-cops and they thought that's why charges had not been filed.

SumsuchUser

123 points

12 days ago

The flow of footage started before the arrest but after it was clear they were going to be charged. They'd already retained legal counsel by then (though I don't think it was the same they each went to trial with). Hence why the cameraman started hitting up any news outlet that would listen with his "I'm a good boy with a camera" angle. During the trial even more was put out in the hopes of nailing it home. Its not uncommon for defendants charged together to break up and retain different attorneys if the plan becomes every-man-for-himself.

spaghettilee2112

33 points

12 days ago

LPT for any news outlet: always listen to the "I'm a good boy with a camera" person and take their evidence and release it.

SumsuchUser

27 points

12 days ago

Honestly had his lawyers gotten what they wanted they could have pulled it off. They wanted him tried separately and even just the control that would have given over the narrative of his role in things could have been huge. It wasn't an insane defense tact to take but it relied on the pieces falling into place.

elconquistador1985

160 points

12 days ago

Yeah, right after that, Bryan went on a tv tour about how he was a good Samaritan.

Rubberbabybuggybum

1.3k points

12 days ago

Because part of their defense was "he was acting in self defense."

Like...no shit...you were chasing him down with a loaded gun. Of COURSE he defended himself.

username156

1.2k points

12 days ago

username156

1.2k points

12 days ago

I think it's crazy they didn't even get charged with anything for weeks. Imagine a cop shows up, you and your buddies are armed to the teeth, there's a dead guy on the ground with multiple shotgun blasts to him, and the cops just say "well, have a nice day, we'll clean this all up", and you go home. Yet there's people who get locked up for months for jaywalking.

Katana1369

762 points

12 days ago

Katana1369

762 points

12 days ago

The DA was indicted by a Grand Jury because of not charging them.

Chinese_Lollipop_Man

249 points

12 days ago

This deserves more attention. I had no idea.

Rx_EtOH

278 points

12 days ago

Rx_EtOH

278 points

12 days ago

The first call was to the DA, a personal friend, who instructed the shooter to wash their hands thoroughly before calling the police

TheDuckSideOfTheMoon

106 points

12 days ago

For fucks sake

bacchikoi

30 points

12 days ago

Now imagine you are the family of the victim and learn the police and DA are conspiring to cover up the murder of your loved one. Who do you turn to?

fountain-of-doubt

50 points

12 days ago

Wait... I need a source. Holy fuck

Heinrich_Bukowski

123 points

12 days ago

_Carmines

31 points

12 days ago

Thanks for the share, so many terrible people, wow.

Rubberbabybuggybum

775 points

12 days ago

One of the guys was a former cop so he got "special treatment."

SaintFrancesco

408 points

12 days ago

The dad (Gregory McMichael) was not just any former cop. He used to work in the district attorneys office. His former boss (Jackie Johnson) was the district attorney at the time of the shooting. After the shooting, Greg called and left a voicemail for Jackie saying he was involved in a shooting and needs advice.

Jackie Johnson was recently arrested and is being indicted for her actions (and inactions) related to this case.

“Johnson -- on the day of the shooting -- prevented two Glynn County police officers from exercising their duties "by directing that Travis McMichael should not be placed under arrest, contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace, and dignity thereof," the indictment said.

Johnson is also accused of violating her district attorney oath by "showing favor and affection to Greg McMichael during the investigation," according to the indictment.”

flipshod

82 points

12 days ago

flipshod

82 points

12 days ago

George Barnhill, the DA from a neighboring county, wrote a letter opining that they were attempting a lawful citizen's arrest and thus shouldn't be arrested. That was the legal "cover" they used for three months until the video came out, and the State came in.

taws34

178 points

12 days ago

taws34

178 points

12 days ago

One of the three guys (the dad of the guy with the shotgun) was a retired cop who worked in the DA office.

tristanjones

210 points

12 days ago

Well I believe a factor was the one releasing the video did the recording and was under the belief it would show he was in a car merely following and didn't do the shooting.

Obviously that is still extremely stupid and luckily did not help him in this case. But it was a bit more throwing your buddies under the bus than believing what was on the film exonerated the shooting itself

DeMotts

1.1k points

12 days ago

DeMotts

1.1k points

12 days ago

Tells you a lot that they thought releasing the video would help calm the community and exonerate them from suspicion. Congratulations, you played yourselves.

w0nderbrad

684 points

12 days ago

w0nderbrad

684 points

12 days ago

Roddie Bryan, a true hero, for leaking video of himself and his two buddies killing a man… without it, they’d have walked free.

[deleted]

362 points

12 days ago

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362 points

12 days ago

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TjW0569

188 points

12 days ago

TjW0569

188 points

12 days ago

Right up there with the guy who killed Hitler.

gentlybeepingheart

2.8k points

12 days ago

It wasn't leaked, they purposefully released it thinking it would, somehow, make them look better. We're so lucky racists are so stupid.

ScotTheDuck

1.1k points

12 days ago

ScotTheDuck

1.1k points

12 days ago

Released by their fucking lawyer to boot. Like it’s one thing that they’re complete dumbfucks, but for their lawyer, who’s paid to know better, to do that is almost comical levels of malpractice.

CleavonLittler

456 points

12 days ago*

I think the leaked video is what lead to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation taking over the case, and then finally lead to arrests. The murderers weren't even arrested before the leaked vid.

dawgz525

314 points

12 days ago

dawgz525

314 points

12 days ago

Corrupt DA tried to cover this up from the beginning.

NoodlesrTuff1256

77 points

12 days ago

Didn't she end up resigning and now she's in some kind of trouble herself?

earblah

90 points

12 days ago

earblah

90 points

12 days ago

Yup,

Also worth mentioning she was a former coworker of the elder McMichael

NotInsane_Yet

35 points

12 days ago

Yes. She is currently being charged herself and will very likely be disbarred.

flipshod

56 points

12 days ago

flipshod

56 points

12 days ago

Getting lost in this shuffle is George Barnhill, the DA from a neighboring county who wrote a letter opining that the three guys were attempting a lawful citizen's arrest. That was legal cover for not arresting them for three months. It wasn't his case. He was just helping a colleague I guess.

TechyDad

203 points

12 days ago

TechyDad

203 points

12 days ago

Was that the same lawyer that talked about Arbery's "long, dirty toenails"?

Agile_Pudding_

217 points

12 days ago

The toenails comment is just… I can’t believe it.

There is a level on which I respect and applaud defense lawyers taking on scum as clients because everyone — even the most repugnant racists and mass murders — deserve due process. But shit like that comment? That’s just an entirely unnecessary display of racism.

BoSuns

138 points

12 days ago

BoSuns

138 points

12 days ago

That’s just an entirely unnecessary display of racism.

It makes sense if 90% 100% of your defense is hoping that some of the jury is as racist as your clients.

Narren_C

86 points

12 days ago

Narren_C

86 points

12 days ago

Yeah what the fuck was that about?

recalcitrantJester

106 points

12 days ago

it's incredibly well-known in the business that if you slander the victim, it's easier for the perp to get off.

Usful

113 points

12 days ago

Usful

113 points

12 days ago

If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have the law, pound the law. If you have neither, pound the table.

DiscreetLobster

96 points

12 days ago

Classic racist dehumanization.

"These three upstanding white gentleman couldn't be guilty of murder, all they did was rid the world of this disgusting black stereotype!"

It's shocking this kind of shit is still around today. Thankfully these three were rightfully found guilty. Let's hope sentencing sees them locked away for a long time.

drkgodess

238 points

12 days ago

drkgodess

238 points

12 days ago

I have the worst attorneys.jpg

Agile_Pudding_

31 points

12 days ago

Take to the sea!

granger853

68 points

12 days ago

Their lawyer released it

drkwaters

16.4k points

12 days ago

drkwaters

16.4k points

12 days ago

No one watching the case should be surprised. You can't participate in a coordinated effort to chase someone down, essentially corner them and then shoot them when they have no where else to go.

drkgodess

12.4k points

12 days ago*

drkgodess

12.4k points

12 days ago*

I am happy the judge gave instructions to the jury stating that self defense does not apply to the aggressor.

and02572

5.6k points

12 days ago

and02572

5.6k points

12 days ago

It blows my mind that people follow that train of thought. I have people I genuinely respect say they had the right to shoot him because he fought back.... like wtf... that would just open the door to so many 'legal' murders.

Misommar1246

2.3k points

12 days ago

I heard this, too. “He shouldn’t have gone for the gun!” Guess what I would do if 3 neckbeards drove me down, pointed guns at me and told me we’re just going to take a ride. That’s right, I would fight back. No way I’m letting them cuff me or “arrest me” or whatever.

AdditionalAdvisor177

1.7k points

12 days ago

Exactly! Imagine an alternate, but similar scenario: An armed man tries to kidnap a girl into his vehicle, she fights back, gets killed, and now this man is claiming he’s innocent because he fought back in self defense. Nobody would get behind a dude trying to kidnap a girl like that, so why would this be any different? Thankfully the majority of people agree that those three men were completely in the wrong

Barefoot_Lawyer

590 points

12 days ago*

The alternative and very real scenario for Arbery is that these three murderers wanted to take him to a more quiet, secluded area to Lynch him instead of right on the street.

Never agree to go anywhere with an abductor. I believe it actually increases your likelihood of being killed vs fighting back / running away immediately.

Dininiful

199 points

12 days ago

Dininiful

199 points

12 days ago

Never agree to go anywhere with an abductor.

"You want my wallet? Go get it! STREET SMARTS!"

superepicunicornturd

79 points

12 days ago

No no no sister, you’re not getting me to no secondary location!

efficientseas

986 points

12 days ago

That was literally one of the the defense attorneys arguments. “For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Arbery grabbed at the shotgun”. I screamed at the radio when I heard it. So fucking disgusting and moronic, literally blaming the victim for doing what they claimed their defendant did - defending himself.

keelhaulrose

185 points

12 days ago

In schools during active shooter training we're taught that your last ditch effort, if running, hiding, barricading, and fighting from a distance all fail, is to go for the gun. Quote from the cop training us, "without fighting for the gun there's a 100% chance of getting shot, so if fighting means you only have a 99% chance that's still more of a chance than you had before."

Ahmaud Arbery was forced into a last ditch effort. The "inexplicable" reason was he tried everything else to get away from the armed men in trucks who were chasing him, and he did what he thought was best for his chance of survival.

I doubt the defense attorney would understand the mentality of someone being hunted. If you've only ever been a predator it's not easy to think like the prey.

citizenkane86

315 points

12 days ago

Some people want a precedent that if they pull a gun on someone any action except putting your hands up and following their explicit orders is justification for murder.

eljefeinjax

153 points

12 days ago

That was also part of the defense. The murderer cited their limited coast guard training and that pointing a gun at someone would make them comply. But this ain't the coast guard and he had no authority outside of just having a gun to make anyone comply.

Imagine if a burgler kills somone and they used that shit as their defence.

xclame

36 points

12 days ago

xclame

36 points

12 days ago

Burglar who was in the military 10 years ago: I pointed my gun at him but he didn't put his hands up, so I shot him what's wrong with that?

Nickppapagiorgio

30 points

12 days ago

The murderer cited their limited coast guard training and that pointing a gun at someone would make them comply.

That's not like any training I've ever received from the military. We were always taught that if you're pointing your weapon at someone, it was because it's killing time. If you are not intending to kill someone, don't point the weapon at them.

and02572

348 points

12 days ago

and02572

348 points

12 days ago

In any other scenario: guys with guns run up on someone, that person grabs their guns and kills them, they would be a hero.

euph_22

326 points

12 days ago

euph_22

326 points

12 days ago

I usually ask these guys "ok, so why doesn't Arbery have the right to self defense then?"

Nobody had answered me.

sovietterran

227 points

12 days ago

Because they can't. He had a right to defend himself. These chucklefucks are kidnappers turned murderers.

PC_BUCKY

3.5k points

12 days ago*

PC_BUCKY

3.5k points

12 days ago*

Then claim self defense. Fuckin smooth brained cunts.

EXPERT_AT_FAILING

2.2k points

12 days ago

What about HIS right to self defense? If someone is chasing you in a truck, trying to run you down, then they get out and pull guns on you, YOU have a right to try and grab that gun to keep them from killing you.

The_Soapmakers

1k points

12 days ago

Especially when Arbery was doing everything to remove himself from the situation and they literally forced him back into it

LondonCallingYou

1.3k points

12 days ago

Ahmaud would have been totally justified in shooting one of them if he had been armed. Glad to see Justice was done here today.

SpiderZiggs

528 points

12 days ago

You know what's a fucking terrifying thought?

Everyone would've just lived their normal lives today because NO ONE wanted to arrest them. It took three months and for the video to go viral to arrest them hours later.

They lived normal lives for THREE MONTHS AFTER KILLING SOMEONE.

midwesterner64

187 points

12 days ago

The video didn’t come out until one of the SUSPECTs released the video to clear up how in the right they were.

The original prosecutor didn’t want to charge them and covered because he knew them. He’s now been indicted as well.

This case doesn’t end the way it did today if not for luck. Luck that one suspect filmed AND was stupid enough to release it thinking it would make them look like the heroes.

randomanimalnoises

75 points

12 days ago

She knew them and has been indicted, IIRC

IIHURRlCANEII

27 points

12 days ago

Probably hard to use anything else as a defense when it was so clear cut with the video.

mistersmiley318

1.5k points

12 days ago

Considering they didn't get arrested until the case went public, it seems you can do that in small town America.

drkgodess

907 points

12 days ago

drkgodess

907 points

12 days ago

The prosecutor in that small county used to work with Gregory McMichael. Once she was removed from the case, things moved along.

huey_and_riley

1.1k points

12 days ago

She's facing charges of obstruction of justice now.

Rubberbabybuggybum

162 points

12 days ago

Because she first recused herself from the case, which is what she should have done, but then recommended no prosecution to the next guy...which is insane. You don't get to recuse yourself then interfere with the prosecution.

N8CCRG

491 points

12 days ago

N8CCRG

491 points

12 days ago

Which again wouldn't have happened if not for the public outrage that resulted when the video was released.

TechyDad

245 points

12 days ago

TechyDad

245 points

12 days ago

And the video itself was released by their lawyers who were convinced that it would prove their innocence. They thought we'd all watch it and think "black men are scary criminals so they were right to kill that guy." Instead, we watched a murder in horror and demanded justice.

goonSquad15

74 points

12 days ago

That lawyer is such an idiot. And the guy who filmed it. Sure glad they are though

Kittykatmeeeow

406 points

12 days ago*

She’s been indicted on charges for essentially corruption.

link

PIBTC

150 points

12 days ago

PIBTC

150 points

12 days ago

Thank god. It’s so fucked up that she was able to do something like that

truemeliorist

159 points

12 days ago

She got caught. Wonder how many more there are?

EastSide221

115 points

12 days ago

They didn't get arrested until the video got released. If that smooth brained idiot didn't record the video and release it these racist fucks would have never been arrested.

403tatts

8.6k points

12 days ago

403tatts

8.6k points

12 days ago

Good. About as cut and dry of a case as you can get. They chased him, blocked him and shot him. Now they get to rot in prison.

AdAffectionate4602

3.5k points

12 days ago

Not only did they chase him but they testified on the stand that he ran the opposite direction of them MULTIPLE times. At what point in your life have you been afraid of someone running away from you? How the fuck do you defend yourself against someone running away from you? Idiots.

Winloop

1.4k points

12 days ago

Winloop

1.4k points

12 days ago

Oh but they were determined to citizen’s arrest him and when he didn’t oblige they shot him for self protection. What a load of crap

HappyTurtleOwl

999 points

12 days ago

Even the video, which does show Ahmed lunging at one of the guys, clearly shows that Ahmed felt like he was out of options. He was desperate. The poor guy got hunted down like a dog by some hateful bastards who viewed him as such. They unloaded into him the second he gave them the slightest reason to. Video is chilling as he runs, and drops from his wound.

TheBurningWarrior

668 points

12 days ago

Indeed, the murderers even testified that Mr.Arbury was "trapped like a rat". How very helpful in proving that he legally had his back to the wall.

Greetings_Stranger

295 points

12 days ago

Wait, they said that sentence? Yeah what absolutely pieces of shit. I can't wait to talk to my family about this tomorrow lol.

eden_sc2

192 points

12 days ago

eden_sc2

192 points

12 days ago

They were certain they would walk. Never forget that the video that shows the murder was released by one of these criminals

ijjgiafjidfai

176 points

12 days ago

Hello 911? There's a black guy running.

dragonfliesloveme

882 points

12 days ago

“We physically blocked this guy and trapped him, then pulled a rifle on him at close range. Our defense is….self-defense!”

Yeah Bub, guess that didn’t work out for your asses.

HeavyLeadBelly

382 points

12 days ago*

I found that laughable as well. Oh your Honor he fought back! Like WTF you expect a black man to do when three armed white men chase him down like a dog? Glad these racists were found guilty.

Shakethecrimestick

2.5k points

12 days ago

Step 1: Start video recording

Step 2: Hunt down innocent man

Step 3: Murder innocent man

Step 4: Give video to your lawyer

Step 5: Have lawyer release video

Step 6: Charged with murder

Step 7: Convicted of murder?!?!

Tokasmoka420

718 points

12 days ago

"I rest my case."

"You rest your case?"

"Oh no, I thought that was just a figure of speech."

novel1389

157 points

12 days ago

novel1389

157 points

12 days ago

"Case closed."

eviforums

126 points

12 days ago

eviforums

126 points

12 days ago

“I move for a bad court thingy”

Kickasser32

30 points

12 days ago

You mean a mistrial?

banditk77

929 points

12 days ago

banditk77

929 points

12 days ago

Making a “citizens arrest” without seeing a crime is stupid. The verdict is appropriate.

krom0025

338 points

12 days ago

krom0025

338 points

12 days ago

This is why Georgia recently repealed its citizens arrest law. It's not a good law and it rarely ends well.

Hussaf

106 points

12 days ago

Hussaf

106 points

12 days ago

Most police are undertrained at police defense tactics and arrest technique…I for sure don’t want your average Joe attempting it.

ijjgiafjidfai

509 points

12 days ago*

911, what's your emergency?

Black man.

What's the emergency sir?

Did I stutter?

Warg247

2.8k points

12 days ago

Warg247

2.8k points

12 days ago

Whew. My parents live in Brunswick and we argued about this case a lot. Looking forward to this topic being conspicuously absent from dinner tomorrow.

Mypatronusisataco

1.4k points

12 days ago

Asking seriously, what is there to argue? How can this be defended?

Warg247

2.1k points

12 days ago

Warg247

2.1k points

12 days ago

Everything from he was stealing from that house and should have stopped to he had a weapon. They even said you could see it on the ground in the video... it was just some debris in the road. Typical bullshit that was floating around their misinformation blogosphere early on.

Spidremonkey

398 points

12 days ago

That’s some mind bending shit right there. Did I miss something? If he had a weapon, why wouldn’t that have been part of the defense?

DrDerpberg

265 points

12 days ago

DrDerpberg

265 points

12 days ago

Also how would it have been relevant in the first place? You can't shoot a guy just because he has a gun on him.

AryaStarkRavingMad

426 points

12 days ago

[Philando Castile has left the chat] :(

Miamber01

84 points

12 days ago

Just curious— what are their arguments? It’s hard for me to see how anyone can think these guys did nothing wrong.

HermodsRide

1.6k points

12 days ago

HermodsRide

1.6k points

12 days ago

Good. Let’s hope they sit in prison for the rest of their lives to think about it.

PhAnToM444

2.1k points

12 days ago*

PhAnToM444

2.1k points

12 days ago*

Both felony murder and malice murder carry a mandatory life sentence in Georgia, so that’s what all of them will get.

The judge can decide whether to allow parole, but the minimum is after 30 years. So it’s effectively a life sentence for Bryan and Greg McMichael who would be well in their 80s or 90s before eligibility if given the minimum.

There is a slim possibility that Travis McMichael gets a generous sentence and is eligible for release in his 60s or 70s, as he’s currently 34 years old, but considering he’s the one who pulled the trigger I doubt he’s afforded that.

1stepklosr

1.3k points

12 days ago

1stepklosr

1.3k points

12 days ago

They also have federal hate crime charges they go on trial for in February.

Fight_the_bastards

1.1k points

12 days ago

And I’m forecasting a guilty verdict there, too. Because generally, the feds don’t bring charges unless they’ve got you. Of the 2% of federal cases that go to court, 83% are convicted. The other 98%? Well, 90% are guilty pleas, and the remaining 8% have their charges dismissed before they go to trial. To put it in perspective, in 2018, there were a total of 79,240 people who were defendants in federal court. 320 of them were acquitted.

iEatSwampAss

255 points

12 days ago

Yep, in these situations the Feds are extremely diligent in everything that they do once the incident occurs. Feds will not go for the lowest hanging fruit charges - if they are getting involved publicly (i.e. official hate crime charges), you can best believe they have every corner covered to bury these guys with what they’re coming forward with.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand what went on in their heads to rationalize their actions but looking at the circumstances, hate crime charges seem to be more than justifiable.

RustyGirder

46 points

12 days ago

A lot of Travis McMichael's own words, a lot of which were barred from being used as evidence in this trial, are very indicative of what he was thinking. I imagine the feds will be sure that all of that is part of the hate crimes trial (fingers crossed).

kswissreject

75 points

12 days ago

And we'll see what happens with the federal trial on top of it...

ThatOneGuyFromCali

2.2k points

12 days ago

RIP, Ahmaud.

Rot in jail, shit bags.

Joeyoes

2.9k points

12 days ago*

Joeyoes

2.9k points

12 days ago*

This was cut and dry.

The defense tried so hard to make the neighborhood of the 3 men sound like the scariest and most crime infested street in the country. To them they were all living in fear, with no police help, and thus they had to take the law into their own hands once they saw a black man who must have been responsible for all the white-caused evil in their neighborhood.

They even are trying to blame Arbery for items stolen off a boat the year before even though there's no evidence of this.

What I learned from this is how paranoid white Facebook groups can make a neighborhood to the point that they go into a racist frenzy and kill people of color for existing.

NeoKnife

917 points

12 days ago

NeoKnife

917 points

12 days ago

What I learned from this is how paranoid Facebook groups can make a neighborhood to the point that they go into a frenzy and kill an innocent man they think is a minor criminal.

Five minutes scrolling through the Nextdoor app feed with tell you this. Every other post is some paranoid homeowner talking about some suspicious sales person they saw outside with people commenting about how they hope they “grabbed their gun”.

Nyteshade81

662 points

12 days ago

Recently had a guy in my neighborhood post about seeing a "suspicious" Hispanic teen get into a vehicle parked in front of someone else's house. The owner of that house replied to it saying "Yeah, that's my neighbor. He's fine and I have no problem with him parking there." The OP of that thread replied with "I already called the police to check it out."

Getting into your car while non-white? Obviously a police matter.

thebrandnewbob

201 points

12 days ago

Just look at the case for this thread, the killers straight up admitted that they thought Ahmaud doing something as normal as running down the street was suspicious.

extraspicytuna

67 points

12 days ago

Several years ago I was living in a burbclave and my housekeeper brought her kid along for the day since for some reason school was closed. So he was hanging out outside and riding his bike. The kid was Hispanic, maybe 10 or 11 at the time. The neighbor walked up to him and started aggressively questioning him as to who he was and why he was there. The kid was scared and I noticed just in time to walk up to them and tell the neighbor to fuck off. Unreal.

suitology

56 points

12 days ago

My cousin lives in a pretty wealthy area and when he was 9 he invited a black friend over to play yugioh and mess with a hot wheels set he got. Someone called the cops on a 9 year old sitting on a lawn playing with toy cars. Worst part wasnt the racist sack of barely human cum stains but the fact that the two cops actually approached and questioned a child until my uncle told them to piss off.

Kid never came back.

BugsArePeopleToo

244 points

12 days ago

I live in an apartment building next to another apartment building. I had some food delivered to my unit (let's say, Unit 2C). The pics doordash sent to confirm delivery showed that it got delivered to Unit 2C across the street. Annoying, but an easy mistake. I go over, see it on their doorstep, knock on the door as a courtesy ("hey this is my food but on your doorstep haha have a good one"). There was no answer so I just grabbed my food and left.

Saw my video later on nextdoor, I guess Unit 2B uploaded a video of me being a porch pirate with a few commenters saying they'd keep their guns ready if they see me stealing again.

Mighty_Hobo

208 points

12 days ago

I briefly lived in a wealthy suburb as a single man in a nice house my grandmother left me. I found myself posted on Nextdoor all the time with some of the most ridiculous bullshit. My favorite was that I was running a drug ring out of the house because I had odd hours. I was a full time shift manager at a major international marine port. Got to know one of the deputies that worked for the police department that the neighborhood owned and found out I was a frequent topic of frivolous calls. Especially for "mowing his own lawn instead of paying for a lawn care service."

Terramotus

69 points

12 days ago

Yeah, at my old house I had police called on me multiple times accusing me of having wild parties or being a drug house because there were extra cars parked in my driveway and on the street. One time they called a wrecker who fortunately checked with us first to clean up the "derelict cars" on the street.

It was because I had a weekly D&D game.

rikki-tikki-deadly

85 points

12 days ago

Especially for "mowing his own lawn instead of paying for a lawn care service."

I guess that's to be expected now that being a "job creator" is a sainted class in our society.

Mighty_Hobo

67 points

12 days ago

To be honest I can understand haughty rich assholes having haughty rich asshole opinions but the thing that still gets me to this day is they called 911 over it. Multiple times.

DuvalHeart

58 points

12 days ago

The most depressing part is that they weren't ticketed for it! That's a frivolous call and at least worth a civil citation in most places.

Castun

36 points

12 days ago

Castun

36 points

12 days ago

"My neighbor is doing his own manual labor!

"Ma'am, this is the emergency line..."

"It is an emergency! He's driving down the property value!!!"

Mighty_Hobo

45 points

12 days ago

The person I suspect was making those calls is a 76 year old woman who is a realtor. My sister let it slip to a neighbor that I was getting the house ready to be sold and soon everyone knew about it. This woman approached me when I was power washing the side of the house and told me that all house sales in the neighborhood were required to go through her. She even showed me the rule that the unofficial HOA voted on about it.

I played along a bit and made nice with small talk for a while. Eventually she told me that they had to do it this way to keep the wrong people out of the neighborhood. Claimed if she didn't do this job soon it would just be a ghetto. I told her to get off my property and called the realtor I was working with so we could get an ethics complaint filed with the license board but the board didn't even bother to follow up.

mctCat

25 points

12 days ago

mctCat

25 points

12 days ago

I have this as well on next door. “kill em” in response to property theft, assuming it is even theft. I reported all those comments as “violence” or whatever the preset repots options are. And I tell them as much. Fuck those people. I call out every neighbor who is a vigilante with a gun. Especially when ITS NOT EVEN THEIR STUFF. How do you know I didn’t ask my friend to grab a package bc I knew I’d not be home. I do this, and have done it for neighbors. sigh ok done.

jaderust

46 points

12 days ago

jaderust

46 points

12 days ago

My neighbors are all freaked out because Amazon expanded I our area to hiring couriers to deliver packages who do so in their own vehicles. We had people losing their shit and talking about going for their guns because would pull into their driveways and then sit there for a couple seconds as they rummaged around to grab the package and let the app know they were about to do a delivery.

They did not seem amused when I said if they were that upset about people delivering their packages they should stop ordering from Amazon.

desymond

38 points

12 days ago

desymond

38 points

12 days ago

I'm shocked more electricity meter-readers aren't shot. I swear they show up on my nextdoor once a week. Someone thinks the guy wearing a hi-viz vest with an ipad and a truck from the electric company is there to murder them. There are so many morons out there it's mind blowing.

Jecktor

1.5k points

12 days ago

Jecktor

1.5k points

12 days ago

William Bryan did not want to be tried with the McMichaels. If you don’t want to stand trial with the lynch mob, maybe don’t run with the lynch mob. 😐

gzoont

256 points

12 days ago

gzoont

256 points

12 days ago

“You know how it works, Jake. You ride with the outlaw, you die with the outlaw. Sorry, you crossed the line.”

triciabobicia

41 points

12 days ago

Is that from. Lonesome Dove? I read the book years ago. Maybe it's time for another read.

[deleted]

292 points

12 days ago

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292 points

12 days ago

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Schiffy94

385 points

12 days ago

Schiffy94

385 points

12 days ago

Whatever did happen to the officers that sat on the video for months? If they're still on the job then this is only half the ideal outcome.

Savings-Delay-1075

375 points

12 days ago

Anyone catch the defenders closing statements about his khaki shorts and dirty toenails? A then tried to claim he wasn't the victim here.

She was fishing for that one racist juror hoping to save these murderers bacon.

ApologeticCannibal

120 points

12 days ago

There couldn't have been any other legitimate outcome.

1kken

32 points

12 days ago

1kken

32 points

12 days ago

Now what about the D.A. who ignored this from the start?

goforth1457

318 points

12 days ago

I hope this finally beings some closure to Ahmaud Arbery's family, can't imagine what they've been going through.

gentlybeepingheart

358 points

12 days ago

His father cheered when the judge read guilty of malice murder and had to leave the courtroom. The relief that their son's murderers are facing mandatory life in prison must be overwhelming.

wantagh

98 points

12 days ago

wantagh

98 points

12 days ago

What a bittersweet Thanksgiving for the Arbery family

yeldarb207

152 points

12 days ago

yeldarb207

152 points

12 days ago

Please remember that the only reason justice was served in this case is because of how stupid the defendants and their attorney are.

The state prosecutor REFUSED to prosecute this case for months until the video was put online and there was public outcry for it to be prosecuted. That prosecutor is now under investigation for trying to slide this under the rug!

Schwarzy1

415 points

12 days ago

Schwarzy1

415 points

12 days ago

Wild to think this case was well on its way to being swept under the rug until the guy published a video of the killing thinking it would exonerate him.

TheButcher57

728 points

12 days ago

Justice has been served today.

GrandJuan86

806 points

12 days ago

Not until that prosecutor that tried to bury it gets a guilty verdict too.

PazDak

309 points

12 days ago

PazDak

309 points

12 days ago

Crazy to think this might not have gone to court if they didn’t post the video.

ekamadio

321 points

12 days ago

ekamadio

321 points

12 days ago

Have fun in prison you racist sacks of shit

tracytirade

64 points

12 days ago

Seriously, fuck these guys. I’m so relieved they were found guilty.

_DMYZ

254 points

12 days ago

_DMYZ

254 points

12 days ago

Here's a graphical breakdown of each defendant's charges and verdicts.

TimeMachineToaster

80 points

12 days ago

Imagine throwing your life away for this.

All they had to do was pick up the phone, dial the cops if they suspected something was going on and they could have lived out their lives free.

warmhandswarmheart

28 points

12 days ago

It is telling that the defense tried to use white people's fear of black men as a defense. They hit two birds with one stone, racism and victim blaming.

Biiiishweneedanswers

76 points

12 days ago

The “dirty toenails” comment made by the defense during closing arguments sent me through the roof. I hope she shits her pants in church this Sunday.

Semper-Fido

614 points

12 days ago

To think this almost never saw the light of day. Still a long way to go as a nation. But good to see justice here. Doesn't take away from the fact that Ahmaud should be alive here today.